Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?

[Discovery 17]

you have at least one example of ethnic cleansing in Ukraine

Here is Ex Ukraine,
Shelling of Lugansk City, act of Ethnic Cleansing, made for expelling civilians from the City.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAg61hEI_yM
http://rian.com.ua/video/20150213/363427793.html (In Russian)
https://ria.ru/world/20150212/1047208166.html (In Russian)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_displacement

And what you want to say that this is proof? LOL! Hitler used such tactics. Remember when the Nazis started the Reichstag fire? Stalin had the NKVD dressed in the form of UPA and antagonize their local population. Putin is doing the same thing.

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And what you want to say that this is proof?

For sure, this is a proof.
There are OSCE observers.
 http://www.osce.org/ru/ukraine-smm/reports

If You need more - just check there.

  Putin is doing the same thing.

Explain, please this better.
- "Putin" is shelling Lugansk city from "Kiev Forces" side?
This is Your version?

[Alexzap]

And what you want to say that this is proof?

For sure, this is a proof.
There are OSCE observers.
 http://www.osce.org/ru/ukraine-smm/reports

If You need more - just check there.

  Putin is doing the same thing.

Explain, please this better.
- "Putin" is shelling Lugansk city from "Kiev Forces" side?
This is Your version?

And who said that the shelling by the Ukrainian army? I have seen for example "Motorola" fired from the automatic grenade launcher position their fighters. Similarly, the militants deploy their mortars to the rear and provocatively attack to compromise the Ukrainian army.

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And who said that the shelling by the Ukrainian army?

OSCE report it

Spot report by the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (SMM), 3 February 2015:
Civilians killed and wounded in strike with cluster munitions in Izvestkova Street in Luhansk city
KYIV 3 February 2015
...
The SMM discovered parts of rockets, including engines, fins and cargo compartments, in the front and backyards of several houses; the cargo compartment in particular is typical of a rocket carrying cluster munitions. Some parts sighted by the SMM at the impact site (1.5 cm white metal fragments, 6 by 3 cm black metal fragments of bomblets cases) are typical for cluster munition. The SMM identified them as parts consistent with 9M55K model “Smerch” rockets (calibre 300mm). The SMM observed a crater (diameter approximately 4m, depth approximately 3m) at the backyard of the house located at Dekabristiv Street 106 which had been caused by the explosion of a “Smerch” rocket, according to the SMM’s assessment.

The SMM measured by compass the angle between north and the axis of cargo remains. The SMM measured the incoming azimuth for the three cargo remains of the “Smerch” rockets, indicating a general incoming north-north-west direction.
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/138906

Do You need a map for checking, what is "north-north-west direction" for Lugansk City?


“Smerch” rocket

[Lieldoryn]

And who said that the shelling by the Ukrainian army?

OSCE report it

The SMM discovered parts of rockets, including engines, fins and cargo compartments, in the front and backyards of several houses; the cargo compartment in particular is typical of a rocket carrying cluster munitions. Some parts sighted by the SMM at the impact site (1.5 cm white metal fragments, 6 by 3 cm black metal fragments of bomblets cases) are typical for cluster munition. The SMM identified them as parts consistent with 9M55K model “Smerch” rockets (calibre 300mm). The SMM observed a crater (diameter approximately 4m, depth approximately 3m) at the backyard of the house located at Dekabristiv Street 106 which had been caused by the explosion of a “Smerch” rocket, according to the SMM’s assessment.

The SMM measured by compass the angle between north and the axis of cargo remains. The SMM measured the incoming azimuth for the three cargo remains of the “Smerch” rockets, indicating a general incoming north-north-west direction.
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/138906

After the scandal with the booze in the Donetsk and disclosure of information on positions of the Ukrainian troops to trust the information the OSCE is not very desirable. But in any case, even they never confirmed that Kiev is shelling residential areas.

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But in any case, even they never confirmed that Kiev is shelling residential areas.

Do You have troubles in reading English text or You need a map of Lugansk Republic for 2015?

 the incoming azimuth mean the side from where rockets are launched.

To determine the direction of the attacks, Human Rights Watch examined rocket remnants, including the cargo, rocket motor, and tail sections of cluster munition rockets. In most cases, the tail sections were stuck in the ground, indicating the direction from which the rockets came. Human Rights Watch also analyzed craters and damage to buildings. In the cases Human Rights Watch investigated, the tail section also appeared to fly further than the submunitions, providing additional indication of the rocket’s direction.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/03/19/ukraine-more-civilians-killed-cluster-munition-attacks

A example of how is visible the direction http://www.ostro.org/lugansk/society/news/463493/



Do You see the "incoming azimuth"? Stakhanov City 2015

[Lieldoryn]

How can you believe such a report? The second individual died from stress-related heart-failure as a result of shelling. How do they determine why he had a heart attack?As for photos with children then this is a posed shot. It is clearly seen that the rocket is inserted in the snow with his hands, and the children put in the frame to invoke pity. Typical propaganda.

[PeterTheGrape]

Thread should be called 'How long will Eastern European Civil War last'.

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How can you believe such a report?

You have here 2 reports of 12 february 2015 shelling on Lugansk.
One from HRW, other from OSCE.

...
On 12 February the SMM visited in Luhansk city a number of areas affected by shelling which occurred at 00:15hrs the same day. On Stara Mogila Street (approximately 6km south-east of the city centre), the SMM spoke to a de-mining team from the “ministry for emergency situations” of the “LPR” who said that they had removed from a children’s playground what they said was the body of a rocket fired by a Smerch MLRS. Based on the angle of the impact, which the SMM measured, the SMM estimated that the firing had originated from a north-westerly direction. On Oboronna Street the SMM observed the body of a rocket in the soil. Based on the diameter of the rocket and its marking, the SMM assessed it to be a Smerch and based on the angle of the impact, the SMM estimates that the firing originated from a north-westerly direction. At the Luhansk municipal bus company parking, located at Olega Koshevogo Street, the SMM observed the empty cluster cargo compartment of what it assessed to be the same type of rocket. The SMM observed damaged houses on Volgodonska Street. The damage to the buildings (broken windows, roofs, fences) was estimated by the SMM, based on the small size of the shrapnel and the high number of impacts on the wall, to have been caused by explosions of bomblets from cluster munitions. In Arkhticheska Street (approximately 1,2km east of the city centre) the SMM observed nine impacts – small craters – in the yard and on the roofs of buildings. Based on the small size of the impacts the SMM estimated that cluster munition was used.
...
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/140521

OSCE is claiming in Ethnic Cleansing the Kiev forces.

Call them for more info and pictures, they will prowide about ability to determine the direction of  Smerch MLRS.






https://news.vice.com/video/vice-news-capsule-wednesday-february-11?utm_source=vicenewstwitter

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There not 100% right

[Sithara007]

After the scandal with the booze in the Donetsk and disclosure of information on positions of the Ukrainian troops to trust the information the OSCE is not very desirable.

Yeah sure... we know that you don't want the OSCE in the frontline, as otherwise they will expose the current silent genocide being perpetrated by the Kiev junta against the civilian population of Donbass. The problems with scandal will go away if they refuse to report the rocket attacks, right?

[Forester618]

After the scandal with the booze in the Donetsk and disclosure of information on positions of the Ukrainian troops to trust the information the OSCE is not very desirable.

Yeah sure... we know that you don't want the OSCE in the frontline, as otherwise they will expose the current silent genocide being perpetrated by the Kiev junta against the civilian population of Donbass. The problems with scandal will go away if they refuse to report the rocket attacks, right?

The OSCE is in the frontline. Just this organization as the UN compromised. They do not trust anybody. The whole world knows who to blame for what is now happening in Ukraine and not only. No one believes Putin's propaganda. You better show the atrocities that's going on, the Russian army in Chechnya and in Syria.

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The whole world knows who to blame for what is now happening in Ukraine and not only.

What is Your version of Lugansk city shelling in data 12 february 2015 with Smerch MLRS with the firing originated from a north-westerly direction?

Other case of Smerch use.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PHRhMkEYrU



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHrdHahrwsQ
Smerch MLRS



Grad

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The problems with scandal will go away if they refuse to report the rocket attacks, right?

Check the face of destroyed Grad MLRS unit blaiming, that they are "Innocent in firing civilians"
https://youtu.be/nVPgIEYSwWc?t=8m57s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9iCq0k0PEY

The activity of defending civilians is published openly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL72D2Pp1i4

Actual situation of locals under shelling on front line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9pnyG4MCew (In Russian)

New shelling case of civilians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwcMMO8UI0Q

[Bjorn Ironside]

Yes Russia as well as Belarus is the enemy of civilized democratic society, because there's still dictatorship in these countries

[MattScott]

Yes Russia as well as Belarus is the enemy of civilized democratic society, because there's still dictatorship in these countries

It seems to me that Russia is worse than Belarus. Formally, of course, and Putin and Lukashenko are dictators, but if Lukashenka is dangerous only for the people of this country that Russia is a threat to the world.

[NyeFee]

Yes Russia as well as Belarus is the enemy of civilized democratic society, because there's still dictatorship in these countries

It seems to me that Russia is worse than Belarus. Formally, of course, and Putin and Lukashenko are dictators, but if Lukashenka is dangerous only for the people of this country that Russia is a threat to the world.

Very well noticed. About Russia you can not say anything, you will not hear anything new. This is the heiress of the Soviet Union, which means that the evil empire continues to exist in a different guise. But Minsk of its people begins to strangle with sophisticated taxes, because of what began to be wiped.

[Lancusters]

Yes Russia as well as Belarus is the enemy of civilized democratic society, because there's still dictatorship in these countries

It seems to me that Russia is worse than Belarus. Formally, of course, and Putin and Lukashenko are dictators, but if Lukashenka is dangerous only for the people of this country that Russia is a threat to the world.

Very well noticed. About Russia you can not say anything, you will not hear anything new. This is the heiress of the Soviet Union, which means that the evil empire continues to exist in a different guise. But Minsk of its people begins to strangle with sophisticated taxes, because of what began to be wiped.

Belarus is not much different from Russia. Lukashenko is a dictator like Putin, but the scale of the country and its capacity smaller. I am sure that Lukashenka dreams of reviving the Soviet Union. People like Putin and Lukashenko will never change.

[Daniel91]

In my opinion, Russia and America will always have different interests and strategies in different parts of the world.
They are great powers and wants to influence all world, in political, economical way etc.
Because of it, they will always have some kind of conflicts, it's perfectly natural.
Russia is not democracy and in their history, since czars, Lenin, Stalin, until Putin, they always had strong leaders and no real political freedom.
Western values are different.
We glorify freedom, human right, free will etc.
So, it's obvious that America and Russia can temporally unite, like in first and second world war, or now in Syria (but not completely) but conflicts and different view about world issues will always remain.

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Russia is not democracy

Do You need the direction to take with Yous lessons about the democracy?