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All this panic and vitriol really isn't necessary..

BU vs CORE, big blocks vs SegWit blah blah blah.. .. ALL the people who live outside of the little bubble most of us live in, here, have NEVER heard of any of this.

lol.. they sort of look at me blankly and say : Whhhaattt ? .. er..  So there are 2 Bitcoins ?

I then say - no, not yet...

And then we start talking about something else.

They HAVE heard of Bitcoin though. (And they haven't heard of any other coins I might add.. too much information for them)

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Honestly - I think we get a bit toooo wrapped up in it. Stroking our 'precious' Bitcoin..

We need to get out more. 'BitBoy' will still be here when we get back.

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..I'm off to the park.

(ps. Just sent some mBTC.. they received it instantly on their phone (as always - just not confirmed).. an hour later I had 3 confirms.. Mempool down to 2MB.. meh.. all systems seem to be back to normal.. really not sure what all the fuss is about.. hehe)

good to see that you are finally out of your reddit script cabin fever corner.
and had that epiphany moment

fresh air does many people good.
currently im on a beach with a blue sky with a hint of white fluffy cloud.

once you realise there are well over a dozen implementations. and that there is only one fighting for top TIER network (core). the rest want mutual independent consensus in a peer network

hopefully you start to see the bigger picture of the meaning of the words diverse decentralisation. you will start to see the importance of what independent diverse node consensus is all about.

may the fresh air aid you more into seeing behind the 'blame Bu at all costs' scripts of reddit and start seeing the big picture.

enjoy your stroll through the park

Its not only your friends that are ignorant even majority of people here are only farer than your friend only by little knowledge of basic use of bitcoin. When it comes to any technicality that surrounds bitcoin, we become lost along the line. People like that and myself inclusive will always avoid discussion when it gets to that level...

If this is the result of your conversations you're explaining it wrong.

If someone came up to you and started talking about something you've heard of but know NOTHING about, would you understand any of it other than the fact that it's English? No.

You need to ease into Bitcoin discussions with folks who aren't in the world. Think about scenarios in that person's world that make good bitcoin analogies.

Most people I talk to may have heard of bitcoin but have no idea how to get any. In fact, most of them don't know what bitcoin is.

I've had talks like these for quite a few times. :D Tho after a dozen of talks about bitcoin and how to earn it, only one friend remained active here.

I tend to keep all the deeper tech stuff out of the conversation since it only leads to confusion, keep it simple when talking to someone who's not into bitcoin.

My brother's wife is also into bitcoin but not into trading. She is into hypes in facebook and doublers and so when I asked her about what her side on BU whether she is a pro or not and I got no respond to it. I was amaze how they were crazily investing to bitcoin when I told her the price is going down and o show her the graph from coinmarketcap and the price. But what she just said is that, it will be back to 1200.

They have so much trust to bitcoin that they never know what ETH and Monero.  I figured I;m not the right person to talk to her about it. I guess I just have to let her realize on her own.

Yes mempool is almost empty these days, i think spam attack on bitcoin network from BU supporters have stopped lately because they failed to deliver bug free software. After few more weeks we may again see similar congestion on mempool to create hypothetical panic so that people start to believe 1mb block is not enough for bitcoin.  ;D

check the dates of the mempool attack.
june/july 2016.
then it settled down
then increased in october ongoing until recently
https://blockchain.info/charts/mempool-size?timespan=1year

this was a core orchestrated attack to try swaying peoples belief that core features are desperately needed.
CSV in june/july.. segwit in the autumn

now core are planning a mandatory activation(UASF) they dont need to sway people over any more

meanwhile other implementations like BU have been running for years. no deadlines, no threats. no mandatory activations. no mining PoW nukes

Thanks. Enjoy the beach!..
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( ps I'm not on reddit.. )

It's not like BU would do a mandatory activation when they're not even the development team and they need to manipulate people into supporting them before the new coin would actually be successful.

Which is a great leap up from just a few years ago when most people hadn't even heard of bitcoin.

As for not knowing how to get any I agree and to add to it one problem with your average person is that it is either too complicated to use or perceived as such so a lot of people never bother trying. It is still in the geeky phase right now but maybe this situation will change again after a few years.

i am loving your topics lately, you are stating facts that some people seems to have forgotten or ignored lately.
where i live people know about bitcoin and use it for online purchasing stuff and they don't really "follow the news" specially not in English and unless someone goes there and starts telling them about it, they never hear it and continue using bitcoin happily.

and yeah, it is so funny about altcoins. we, here, know about them and some of us in details but outside of this world if you tell someone about an altcoin they stare at you with a blank face.
then you come back here and see topics saying "... people are adopting blah blah coin..."

Honestly, maybe I am that guy. I don't understand about what is bigblock or segwit, I don't understand why bitcoin unlimited is needed. Even if I am a senior member here, but I can't​ get what people talk about this topic. Simply, I don't understand phyton, c++, or anything. I am just an ordinary man that enjoying bitcoin as my simple, instant, and anonymous payments.
By my sight, what bitcoin need is only spread out the whole world. Let all these ++7billion peoples know about bitcoin. If bitcoin want to be spread, it should simple and easy to understand. It doesn't need to be something complicated. Imho

I once walked into a big commercial bank here in my country to deposit money intended to buy Bitcoin and the teller was asking me what was the purchase for and told her about Bitcoin her face went blank because it was just the first time for her to hear such a term. Here in the cryptocurrency world, we feel the massive adoption of Bitcoin and other altcoins but outside of here, people majority of them are still unaware about the existence of Bitcoin.

They are Non-BitcoinTalkers just like you have said, of course from the word itself, obviously they don't about bitcoin, they don't have any idea about it even though you said to to them, but if you are going to explain it to them one by one from the basic, then probably they are going to understand it.

Jumping on the higher level that fast won't help them to understand, so introducing it to them is better than only saying what is BU and other Altcoin stuffs.

This is probably true. Last year, when I started using Bitcoin, there was the same FUD, but I did not even know who Mike Hearn was. I just had time to think about how to accumulate more Bitcoin.

I am glad some people are not into the technical part of this discussion, because we already have a bunch of drama queens taking all the shine in conflicts like this. < Roger Dodger & Mike Hearn aka RageQuit >

These discussions can get messy at times, because a lot of Testosterone is involved here to see who will be the Alpha male in this community or even in the forums. < Now that I think of this, where are the females?>  ^smile^

I also noticed that mostly people who are not members of bitcointalk haven't heard anything about SegWit, BitcoinUnlimited and etc. And it's very hard to explain it them, because mostly people are not familiar with bitcoin technical details.
But honestly, I'm not that guy who can explain it properly, because I know only few main things about BU, SegWit and etc.

Bitcoin is not as popular as we think and also most of the people I met don't want to involve in bitcoin because it is a currency for criminal and bad people, so when they already got a negative mindset, it will be difficult to change it
And it will be more difficult to explain segwit and bu to newbie, even some of the user not really understand that things​, the most important for the user is the price

OK, ask these idiots to go to a drug dealer on the street and ask him if they could buy drugs with bitcoin from him and see what happens. On

second thought... DO NOT do this, because these idiots might just get shot. Most drugs and economic crime are still being done with cash in

hand and people conveniently forget about that. Silkroad gave Bitcoin a bad reputation and now everyone are smack talking Bitcoin because of

that. There a millions of people who are using Bitcoin for MANY legal transactions.  ::)

but i think bitcoin is now becoming more and more popular, as we can see that the number of bitcoin users are increasing continuously and the user of bitcoin are now available everywhere in the world.

This is in general truth all over the world. Recently I have wrote in some posts where people claimed that the dominance of bitcoin as the leader of cryptocurrencies will vanish and another altcoin will take this position etc., that bitcoin has value because people want it and do not want anything other than this. Moreover I believe if bitcoin crashes many alts, if not all of them, will be disappeared because people will go to the next big thing. 

Well it is kind of obvious that since we are immersed in the world of bitcoin we will be the ones most interested about it and if you add the fact that some have huge amounts of money in bitcoin then it makes sense some care a lot more than those that don’t have a single cent invested in bitcoin.

Exactly even for those who already know bitcoin and using it, they still don't understand about those subjects. Not all of the bitcoiners are tech savvy who familiar with this technology, However it's very important for those who use bitcoin as an investment to know BU and Core technically, so they could predict whether the price would be up or down. But if you ask those who use bitcoin only as a payment option or for gambling, i am afraid that they're familiar with it, so if you ask NON-bitcointalkers the answer is a big no.

Bitcoin is becoming more and more popular within a very specific and relatively niche group of people, for most communities outside of those that you could expect to have some sort of interest in Bitcoin you'd be hard-pressed to find that much interest coming out of the members there. They simply have no need for Bitcoin.

There's a high chance Bitcoin will continue to grow in the way it has as long as the same communities continue to grow, but there will be fewer people to get interested in the future if the marketing for Bitcoin does not diversify.

Used to run the other way whenever I see those 'debates' in Bitcoin Discussion.
In the end, had to succumb and lurk and watch what it was all about.

I admit I'm often left with my head reeling with the technicalities, who's who and all those links!!! A single post could contain 10's of links.  :'( (Careful or you'd unknowingly lose hours reading all the drama.)

(Anyway, I gotta buckle up and read on, else when a certain someone talks about it, I'd have no idea what they were saying.  :'( :'( :-X ) 

Does linguistic students will understand updates in computer science department or they will follow them, similarly I do not expect people to follow what is going with the crypto world unless otherwise they have invested /are using crypto currencies. Bitcoin is famous enough what youtube had some 10 years back. Famous among technical background and frequent Internet users.

I have a friend who is having few bitcoins in cold storage but he is not active here, but he never bothered about bitcoin etf nor sociability debates. I am sure there are bitcointalkers who are just busy with altcoins trading and gambling and never bothered about latest updates on cypto world.

Majority of bitcoin holders doesnt have an idea regarding the internal problems on bitcoin and we dont need to explain to them those technical details. They enjoy bitcoin and supported it more than the technical ones. The reason why bitcoins price has recovered fast after the deflation was due to non technical bitcoin holders who thought it is a great opportunity to buy bitcoin when it is low.

That is true, the amount of transaction made in bitcoin on the drake net for drugs and other illegal stuff is way larger than the amount of bitcoin transferred and used for good things, and that left a big wide scar on the bitcoin so when people asked about it they say it is used by drug dealers, and honestly the only solution I can think of is by making bitcoin trackable and that may lead to some riots, but hey if you are not using it for bad things than you have nothing to worry about.

Actually this is true for big investors behind bitcoin. They don't care what's going on behind bitcoin ecosystem. They just want to invest and buy and profit in the end. And if I remember it correct, this is also the pitching point of the Winklevoss ETF, it will allow investors with brokerage account to invest in bitcoin wihout having to worry about the technical details (storing and safekeeping in a wallet). But the interesting thing is eventhough is has been rejected, investors are still buying bitcoin and taking advantage to profit from it.

I always feel the eerie feeling when I talk to someone about Bitcoin.
Am I getting wierd?
There's always a first time for everything. I can't blame them to digest all of the information quickly. I'm explaining things as easy as possible. Some are paying attention and some are not. Some are intrigue and curious and some don't care. The lack of foundamentals and knowledge to a thing, thought or principle is a great disadvantage and may cause misunderstanding and conflicts of ideas. Of course they won't know Bitcoin is, the thing is you will fully understand if you pay more attention to details, work hard, earn and feel what is the fruit of your hard work.

Some are negatives and some has crabmentality traits. Non-bitcoiners are not that dangerous because they are just not opened yet to these kind of technology and don't know much about it. The real problems are the one who knows a lot about Bitcoin but choose to oppose it and destroy it's principles. Anti- Bitcoin talkers I think.

only talking about bitcoin to your friends or other people will not easy for them to understand, infact few of them could hardly understand that what is bitcoin. you need to explain them practically by showing them how to do this.then after that they could understand easily. you need to explain all the features of bitcoin for attracting them.

It is still nowadays there are many people all around the world are not really familiar with Bitcoin, or if there some know it they ignored. Which means majority of them are not yet ready to  accept what bitcoin can do for all us in each country.

Yeah I think there is also a lot of people who
do not know about bitcoin. So I think to enlighten
them about bitcoin you must explain it to them, on
how bitcoin works.

lots of people dont know about bitcoin, besides majority in my place dont know about bitcoin, when i speak to them about crypto currencies and how i earned and use bitcoin for buying and paying some stuff they're clueless and think how is that possible.

I think the easiest way is to start with something practical rather than with theory since the theory behind bitcoin is really complicated but how the technology is used is very simple sending bitcoin or receiving bitcoin, creating a wallet and creating different addressees is really easy.

It is popular enough. We can all be rich if we hold on till more people adopt bitcoin . look how big it is now and it will only grow more.

This. The blackarks stand out more.to.people than the technology. Bitcoin isoney, unless you dig money and value in an academic way, bitcoin is pretty damned boring. Most lay people I talk to could give a damn about scaling, or fees, or decentralization; they hear about it on Family Guy, or see the price when it surges on the news.

That is why it's a bubble. Not bubble in the sense of something popping but a bubble we live in. It would be hard to believe that they'd even know of this internecine war if they only have a vague idea of what bitcoin is. Especially if they only heard about it through media which mostly portray bitcoin as some bubble about to burst or as criminal tokens.

I believe there are also people who engage in bitcoin but don't know all the intricacies of the system. Including me. Me and other people I know are mostly just here trying to make a profit and we are just watching how things will turn out.


Oh no! It's gonna be horrible here again in the tropics. I'll just stay in away from the sun. I'm basically wearing so much fur all the time I'd put the Starks to shame.   ;D

Actually sir, where both in the same page I also don't understand yet what segwit means and BU there's must be a bit ideas but still not 100%. Just all I wanna do now is I'm enjoying the usage benefits of bitcoin in my daily routine in life. And it gave a weekly profit too and savings also.

That is why a lot of people take sides because they miss the point and they think that one implementation will increase the price and double their "wealth". I have noticed this behavior mostly from people from Asia. They do not try to understand the issues happening in Bitcoin, most of them only care about if Bitcoin can make them rich.

I rarely talk to people about bitcoin. You just can't met anyone on the street, at the dentist, in the shops etc. and start to talk about bitcoin like you would do about weather when you do the small talk. Once I had to talk about bitcoin to a few people and I just convinced them that bitcoin has a practical side, I've ordered a drink for them and payed with my bitcoin debit card :) after that, they started to belive the every day usage of bitcoin

That's pretty anecdotal evidence you've got there :p When I mention Bitcoin to my friends, the conversation is more about the price than anything else to be honest.
I don't think that everybody sees Bitcoin as something that's only being used by criminals... Just saying..

I agree with OP completely! Most interesting was the part when he say " too much information's for them", yea that is it, I had many moments like that one. We should really get out more, winter is behind us and now we will get out much more, that's why price of bitcoin is falling down every summer.

yes the price often come to discussion when we talk about the investment in bitcoin while for many the earning of it is important which maybe for free or from investment. While I also have saw some people talking about its feature of globality. But I have not saw anyone saying that it is used by criminals.

There are a lots of people here that do not know bitcoin, and I guess they are not really interested on it because it is a internet thing, but when they knew that these digital currency is a good asset or investment, they will be changing their minds quickly, no second thoughts. Many people here in our place loves earning money even if it is not that big, they love making businesses but the only problem is their capital to start that business. I can use that to let them know what bitcoin does and what does it hold in the near future.

It is also the reason why there are a lot of people here who do not know the real issues with Bitcoin. They also do not try to understand how it works and what try to think what it is supposed to be in our society. All they want from it is to make money from it just like any get rich quick scheme.

While bitcoin can give good earnings the time where bitcoin will give to us enormous earnings has passed after all it is way easier for a coin that is worth a dollar to be worth ten dollars than it is for a bitcoin with a value of one thousand to be worth ten thousand.

Well, I usually have those moments with my friends also when I'm talking to them about bitcoin. They're aware that BTC exists but they didn't want to get involved in it because they don't believe in digital currency. They believe in stocks and commodities but don't give any of their attention to BTC. And their faces will have blank responses when I talk about the looming hard fork of it.   

I think it would be better if your friends are curious and interested in bitcoin as they will tend to be more active. although you explain all about bitcoin but your friends don't really want to digest your explanation it will be difficult even get confused.

The right choice. Actually the things I want to look for is the advantages and benefits that I can get when using bitcoin, if indeed a lot out there that talk or discuss about other things or ways to deliver solutions to the bitcoin then I am very happy and grateful to them. But as long as it is only still be discussions or projects that have yet to be applied. then I'm in no mood to talk about it, because we live already has a lot of matters to be resolved
 

The same happens to me but at the end they are the ones to decide their financial futures, in ten years we will know who was right, if it was them saying bitcoin was never going to work, or if I was the one I was right when the price of bitcoin skyrockets.

it is because your friends didn't use bitcoin in practical and that is the reason that they doesn't want to believe in bitcoin they just think that it is the wastage of time but if once they join the bitcoin community then they could believe in this digital currency. well it is their unawareness that they doesn't believe in bitcoin.

I understand that feeling of being stupid. just imaging how did Albert Einstein had faced this same situation he has tried to explain his theory to other people but all they had said is he was crazy. We also face this same situation when people around us do not exactly gets what we are saying but i don't care because i know exactly what i am using and how this can change their feature

I also had the same feeling several times before, because of this. Nowdays, I only talk about bitcoin if i know that the people I talk to will understand it and if they have questions, they can ask the questions in the proper way, and they are interested in the answers as well (no trolls :) )
In the conversation mentioning the depth of the technical background of bitcoin can also make difference, because non-IT people will need more time to understand it, and if they're not patient enough, it it can lead them to resist the complete thing.
Some people are only interested if this can make them rich really quickly or not, and if I say no, they'll quickly lose their interest...

Whenever I explain bitcoin to newbies, they look to me as if I am talking about quantum physics. What more if I have to explain to them BU, Segwit, Lightning and all that is happening right now in bitcoin. They'll be lost.

It is better for them to know it on their own. If they are really interested, they'll dig it up.

For us, let us relax and enjoy the summer sun.

Sometimes explaining won't be enough, it's not just about that the system is complex or it is hard to explain but if they can't experience the real thing they won't be able to fully understand it. Yeah we can. Explain how it will work or how it will function but knowledge is only meaningful if you put it into practice. Yup we did our part of explaining it to them and the decision is on them on whether they are willing to join this community but still it will be good that they are part of this.


Every great scientists experienced that, reminder when Nikola Tesla revolutionized the modern electrical engineering. People that time even some scientists that time can barely understand what Tesla is saying. It's like being an " alien among us ". We can't blame them because humans knowledge is limited only to what it can hear, feel and see. Only few go outside the box and get rid of it, of course we can laugh to someone when we can't understand what he is babbling about but that is the problem, some don't even try to listen! They don't even try to understand, we should be thankful that there are people that is putting so much effort to give information to those who don't understand. I feel pity for those who just knows how to mock someone without even understanding what he's talking about.

People aren't just adapt to getting new things regularly, and when they do it does need to a continuous flow, I tried bitcoin'ing some friends and they didn't understand or have a shred of interest, but when silk road fallen and everything was in the media, they came to ask me again about it, MEDIA is effective as it can be.