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Another unlicensed/scam book, stealing from its customers.  Why anyone would deposit here is a mystery to me. sportsbet.io the OP has given  you permission to release relevant details of his "fraudulent" activities that warranted you stealing his deposit and winnings.

Please do, otherwise refund him immediately. 

I will personally help you with this.
I doubted the site is shady since day 1 and so did every gambling site scam buster out there.
It's crazy how they suddenly decide to ask for KYC when a high bitcoin amount is involved.So basically they follow this measure "If you win on your website,we could think you have been upto something shady and we won't allow you to beat the house".

Things we will be doing :-
I've tagged the account.
I've posted a warning to not play on this  website on their main thread.
Let's see if the respond,otherwise we could proceed by giving them a feedback from the DT.

I have a couple questions:

When they requested your documents, did you send them your real information?

You say you deposited 15 BTC into the site, placed some bet and had 6.5BTC profit and initiated a withdrawl. Why did you deposit so much in the first place only to make a few BTC profit and cash out? Some casinos/sportsbooks have terms that require you to rollover the deposit 1x. However thats not what term they are saying you broke.

In any event, askgamblers as sportsbet.io has suggested you use is a good source to mediate issues with online casinos but in this case I don't see that it is. I have used them in the past to resolve issues with stalling of payment by an online casino and once they got the complaint they quickly resolved it.

Here's why I think its a joke they suggested it:

I can't even locate a profile on the askgamblers site for sportsbet.io

They do have them for their sister sites: bitcasino.io and vegascasino.io but as I'm going to get to next theres an issue there.

Last year in December, a user had an issue over 1.5btc being confiscated and while that player may have broke terms or could be innocent. The issue is bitcasino did not provide any proof in the matter to the askgamblers team to mediate. Simply put they ignored the complaint after a couple short replys and then askgamblers posted this :

Unfortunately, BitCasino.io didn't provide the necessary information to AskGamblers Complaints Team so that the complaint could be adequately reviewed and decided. Obviously, we have no other option but to close the complaint as Unresolved and recommend a player to forward their issue directly in front of the relevant regulatory body responsible for BitCasino.io. As soon as AskGamblers Complaints Team is being notified about the regulator's final decision on the case, we will comply and mark this complaint accordingly.


In order for askgamblers to be a mediator sportsbet.io would have to show the proof ExcessTest in some way was fraudulent. Otherwise its useless. And the only other alternative would be to go to the casinos regulatory body of Curacao to file a complaint.

But thats pretty useless, they are a joke of a license and a complaint there would not do any good.

Now with all that said, I have only used sportsbet.io one time and I made a fairly large bet on the Super Bowl. The bet won it was instantly credited to my account when the game went final and I made the withdrawl and was paid immediately. Now, it was nowhere near 21BTC which as their terms suggest triggers the KYC protocol. I've also never had any issues being paid in 2.5 years playing on bitcasino.io Again, I've never won anything big but have had a few withdrawls 2-3k paid out instantly.

We don't know both sides and unless sportsbet.io is willing to provide the evidence against this player but confiscating 21.5 BTC is a pretty serious deal. I would hope they could provide more details to someone trusted and make a resolution.

It very well could be they are falling from grace and going rogue. Unless they provide the evidence against the OP then we won't know and have to assume the worst.

This is looking real bad for them, more and more topics are coming up!

Also did gave the account red tag,there were a scam accusations way back 2016 I think this is the end of that gaming site it's such a huge amount to be ignored DT should give them red tag too and Op can also request writers to write about this issue to warn other gamers.

It was so easy to avoid: Warning! SportsBet.io + BitCasino.io (https://game-protect.com/sportsbet-scam/) since July 2016!

What lead you to play at sportsbet.io, how did you get aware of them?

Curacao civil code say that they have to tell you why they confiscated your money. Breach of their Terms & Conditions is not enough.

Furthermore, please note that if a paragraph of their T&C is not in accordance with Curacao civil code, this part is not valid. Another reason why they have to tell you the exact breach of their T&C.

You could sue them, Curacao has a justice system with court and police.

Or next time maybe register your accounts with any Qualify free (https://game-protect.com/qualify-free/) site, then the litigation costs will be covered by Game Protect. Definitely worth if you deposit such huge amounts.

Withholding money and asking for verification without proper ground seems to be a new trend with these shady websites. I've seen this happen with several gambling websites and exchanges. They absolutely have no right to withhold your money. They may withhold the winnings depending on the T&C but not your own money.

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Tagged.

Good on you Lauda,  more red paint to follow hopefully!

Gave this guy a red tag also to warn my friends not to deal with this site,the admin is online all the time but chooses to ignore all the post of the complainants,I guess this is the end of his business and might close his thread and set up another one.

This is really sad. I have been playing on the site for long and will stop on doing so. This is the case of bitcoin sites doing what they feel is right because of no legal consequences. I hope they get boycotted.

I have just started playing there from a month and never had any problem, but of course I have only played with small amounts up to 0.02 btc my biggest deposit. I have withdrawn and it was fast ,within minutes. It will be really sad if the accused gambling house will not be here to give their explanation.

Read 4 posts above yours!

they really meant to scam site is on and off and the administrator refuse to answer the allegations even if his thread are full of comments about this issue,he might lock the thread,close the site then start another one,which is likely to happen.

The OP has posted very little proof that indeed the casino scammed him. He's been on several times and hasn't posted.

Yet you all have already become the executioners in assuming sportsbet.io has indeed scammed this guy. I find it very unlikely that they would risk their reputation over 20BTC, That is pocket change to this group. There is one guy at their casino that bets that much every hand of blackjack.

There was another guy a couple months back that won a massive 200 some bitcoins from their group and he didn't come here yelling scam. They paid him and he even come here and give massive 12.5BTC giveaway.

The OP could just be pulling wool over all your eyes to get a witch hunt against the sportsbook when in fact he could have indeed broken their terms by providing false information and identification.

After more thinking about it and his silence. I'm not buying it.

Unless he can prove otherwise that he in fact uploaded legitimate IDs and utility bills and he didnt break any other term then he is guilty until proven innocent just like you all have given guilt to sportsbet without knowing facts.

Also its very suspicious he deposits 15btc only to make a few btc profit and leave? 

He has some explaining to do before I can believe hes 100% innocent and the casino scammed him.

He doesn't have any explaining to do. He provided enough proof to warrant a response from scambet. They need to give a reason why they won't give him his money. He doesn't have to doxx himself.

But even if he provided fake information, does that give sportsbet.io the right to take his initial deposit aswell? Isn't that stealing? I could be wrong though, I don't know the laws and rules about these issues completely, although i have some general knowledge about it.

Sportsbet.io logged in several times then and haven't bothered to post any comments here.Your call on that ? Shiller.

What does that prove ? Why are you shilling for them ? Are you associated with the entire btcagency scam ? You should be tagged too.

Bla Bla bla.

How much did sportsbet.io pay you to post the comments here ?

Stop Shilling.I'd reply to all your comments with more logic if you stop walking with their dick in your ass.

Fortunately the OP owes you nothing. They don't need to convince you in their attempt to recover the stolen funds from sportsbet.io

Who are you again??

How much they deposit, play with, withdraw or how they choose to spend their time on the forum is really none of your business.

Your post looks to me, like a pathetic attempt to obfuscate the fact that sportsbet.io are a bunch of scamming criminals, and are keeping funds that don't belong to them.

The burden of proof is on sportsbet.io, It is up to them to show proof that the OP scammed them or attempted to do so.

As far as I can tell they haven't done so, despite the OP giving them permission to reveal all.

You don't think it's weird that they haven't responded to this thread, but you see it fit to attack the victim?

I think you should direct your many questions to sportsbet.io if you need any more clarification.

Doesn't matter. It's up to him how he plays. This is totally fine.

From his last posts,one can easily make out he is a shiller for BtcAntonio Scam Agency who  promotes vegascasino.io,bitcasio.io and sportsbet.io.
Not really their fault,until and unless these stupid kids stop depositing their money on such C graded gamling sites,nothing could stop them for looting these kids.

How can you prove that you did nothing wrong?

Accusers have to deliver proof of their accusation! Sportsbet.io even did not deliver which part of their T&C was breached and why?

The part you are not able to understand (or intentionally mislead) is that if you are allowed to deposit and play without verification of your identity, then you are logically also allowed to withdraw without verification! The only case where they can ask for documents is if there are reasonable grounds that you acted fraudulent and in this case they have to say what and deliver proof. As we all know, none of this has taken place!


Since when or based on what is it suspicious to deposit 15 BTC, win 6,5 BTC and then withdraw? The laws give him all the right to withdraw at any time if there is no pending bonus.

He won almost 50% of his deposit, time to leave. Next time when you go to a brick and mortar casino, they will confiscate your money if you leave after 1 hour play!  ::)

Hi Trayber,

I have provided all the proof I have access to that the casino has refused to issue my withdrawal and closed my account. I do not understand how you expect me provide proof I uploaded legitimate IDs. Would you like me upload them on a public forum? Have you not heard of identity theft? If you can tell me how I can provide proof I violated no terms, then I will do so, but seeing as I don't even have access to my account it is a bit difficult. I deposited 15 btc, played for a few hours, made it to about 25 btc at one stage and then ended up on 21.5 BTC and decided that was enough. It's not like 6.5 BTC ($8k USD) winnings is an insignificant amount anyway, I'm not an aggressive gambler who tries to win 4-5x his money back.

I did not reply sooner to your message because I have been checking on my mobile and did not have the time to write a reply. Honestly I do not even know what I am being accused of and sportsbet.io refuses to tell me. I understand you are a skeptic but I have presented you with all the facts I can, and sportsbet has refused to present any, not even to me. Why do you think that is?

Id like to thank this community for assisting me in recovering my stolen funds, I honestly thought I would just be ignored or only get 1 or 2 replies. But I am overwhelmed by the support offered by some of the people in this forum. Hopefully when this is over I can offer a few of you a reward.

Thank you for getting back to me.

Did you take any screenshots when you were able to still log in of your deposits/withdrawls?

Like I've said, I have played with this group for over 2 years and never been stiffed a payment nor have many others experienced any problems. So this is interesting to say the least.

If you have accurately described everything to be 100% truthful then I'll try to help and give you a few options. You won't get very far here.


You can try filing complaints at casinomeister.com They offer a service called "pitch a bitch" where you can submit your claim and they may try to help and resolve it with a great mediator named Max. However, since this casino is not accredited over there they may not take it on. But its worth a shot. This way the casino can provide their evidence against you. If they are unwilling to communicate though it probably wont go anywhere.

As sportsbet.io suggested you can also try filing a complaint at askgamblers.com Same thing where the casino will present its evidence to a 3rd party and let them mediate and decide if you violated terms.

Lastly, askgamblers.com is another service where they will try to contact the casino on your behalf.

Please take this advice if you have told complete truth and gave correct documents when  you were asked for them and did not violate any other terms.

In any event, if you indeed made a 15BTC deposit at the least that should be returned. I don't see any reason why they should keep the deposit under most circumstances. Even if you somehow broke terms verifying your account, they should be allowed to withhold your winnings but not the deposit.

I hope you take this advice I have given you and utilize it as I've given others the same advice in similar situations where they were successfully able to resolve issues with online casinos and get paid.
 
Good Luck.

So even if he goes to sue then, how would he support all the legal expenses and justify everything with only 15,000 Dollars ? What if he doesn't win. Its a risk even for him to pursue them for 15 BTC.

I did not take any screenshots as I had no idea I would have my account locked.

Unfortunately sportsbet.io is not listed on casinomeister or askgamblers. So I am not sure why they would suggest I open a complaint on askgamblers when I am unable to. And since they are not replying to my emails or posts here I doubt they would reply to any mediators.

It really isn't an excuse for them to not provide you with your cashout because you provided false information.

Sure, it was your problem, but i think it would be better for them to give you a warning and say that next time make sure you put the right info, instead of confiscating your deposit + winnings altogether. They should know that most people using their service WILL in fact use false information for anonymity. This is common in the crypto world, and them operating solely on bitcoin, should know.

This will make them look not as legit.

What information ? Sportsbet doesn't require you to put your legal name and address. Atleast, I have never been prompted to put in that information. Their verification team just seems to block high payouts and ask them for the documents.

Hi all,

Regarding the complaint of player ExcessTest:

sportsbet.io is a regulated online gambling provider which does not withold customers funds and processes hundreds of withdrawals of BTC in a week.

Regardless the nature of Bitcoin payments as a regulated operator we are obliged to ID verification, KYC and AML (anti-money laundering) procedures by the regulator at certain withdrawal levels.

We have stated this clearly in our Terms & Conditions page available here –
https://sportsbet.io/about/general-terms-and-conditions
3.3.3. Sportsbet reserve the right to carry out additional KYC verification procedures for any withdrawals exceeding the equivalent of 10 Bitcoins or €2300 which ever is lower, and further reserves the right to carry out such verification procedures in case of smaller withdrawals, as demanded by our gaming license. Account Holders who wish to recover funds held in a closed, locked or excluded account, are advised to contact Customer Support.

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Regarding the OP post here in forums:

We have contacted the player to resolve the issues with the account (ID verification failure, transaction attributes related to bitcoin Double Spending patterns, related and previously abused IP addresses in Turkey etc) and will commit to full resolution or either returning the original deposit amount to player.

Cheers,
sportsbet.io

Doesn't matter.Please stop promoting your self when you're responding to a scam accusation.

Did you make it clear to your customers during/before signing up ? Is it part of your current terms and conditions ? Why only during withdrawals ? Why not during deposits ? And we expect a clear answer for all these questions.

You sure you didn't add this a day before ? Please show us your gaming license.


Nope.It should be discussed publicly,show the transactions which were double spent and how they're linked to the OP.Also,we would like to know why his Id verifications would be rejected.

Sound really strange that a BTC bet provider ask for KYC!

It's really a non-sense, because i think i go to play BTC for stay anonimous: if i need to provide my ID probably i go in regulated (for real, not for fake  ::) ) betting website!

Also , if withdrawal was made to the same address from deposit, wich is the risk?

Whatever shit is there in your clause, i am adamant that one should never ask for KYC or ID verification from the players who play via bitcoin.
The theme of bitcoin is P2P and anonymity.

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I suggest you to reimburse the players money with some reward as you have cost him tension and a waste of time.I even suggest you to remove this ID verification against your clause, else true bitcoiners will never play at your site.

LOL! so you are claiming double spend and failed verification without backing it up with proof? I call bullshit on that.

Btw why should an unlicensed book demand KYC? I would be wary sending my ID to a shady as fuck outfit like yours.

Just pay the man his money and stop giving him the run around. If you don't have the coins and cannot afford to pay him, beg and negotiate with him, instead of making him look like the guilty party when it's all on you.

I've seen similar excuses in several threads here, it seems that more gambling sites are doing this to
hold the users BTC.

Anyway, as long as you don't provide any proof of the violations that you mentioned
a tag will be given to you.

He claims to be owed 21.5 BTC = $26,000. If he provably scammed, his claim is 0.0, if he did not scam his claim is $26,000.

Court fee in Curacao is 1% with minimum $375 = $375 for him and I could offer a good lawyer arrangement, let us say around $2,500. So his total costs to enforce his claim would be around $3,000.

If you have $18,000 to deposit, then you should have as well $3,000 to enforce your claim, shouldn't you?

If he doesn't win, he will lose another $3,000, but had a good chance to get his $26,000. If he did not scam sportsbet.io, this is an instant call. Also, if he win, sportsbet.io will likely have to pay his lawyer and court fee.

Yes, it is a small financial risk to persue his 21.5 BTC, but the risk to deposit 15 BTC was unlike higher! Therefore no idea what the problem is?

Is this some kind of joke? You are taking the piss right?

Edit: Try to figure it out. I refuse to derail this thread and make it about you, Mr snake oil salesman /b]


Thanks for the invitation but NO. Why should I exchange banter with a madman charlatan? I have better things to do with my time so ill pass.

You are going straight to the top of my ignore list.

                                            

I don't play there, but according to support 3 confirmations are required on deposit. Is it even possible to perform double spend there?

If I recall correctly, all/most deposits are instantly credited to your account. Based on this, I would imagine you could perform a double spend by depositing with a really low tx fee and bet it all on some event counting on the fact that the deposit is instantly credited. Even if you lose that bet, you could just double spend as long as the deposit hasn't confirmed yet.

Glad Lauda and everyone tagged that account.  What OP posted is proof enough for me, and I don't see how anyone could deposit that much bitcoin in any of these shady-ass offshore gambling places.  It's like shooting your money off into a black hole and hoping you get it back.  I get that you like to gamble and all, but these casinos man...what does anyone really know about them?  They're almost like these exchanges where nothing is known about management, etc.  Crazy.  Hope OP can recover his funds.

The operator and manager of sportsbet.io is known: SportsBet.io + BitCasino.io (https://game-protect.com/sportsbet-scam/)

I haven't been following this completely. But just saw the trust as negative for the sportsbet account on this forum. Did they sort it out ? I see their post, but no update beyond that for the last 3-4 days.

ExcessTest ?

No. They have asked for more documents, which I have sent them. But they have not replied to my emails for 4 days now.

They will do everything in their power to retain those bitcoins. They will ask for more and more and more documents.

Your birth certificate.. your grandparents' marriage certificate... your dog's passport... your girlfriend's bra size (certified and notarized).. receipt of that hamburger you bought in June 2015...

Nice job, so apparently the owner of these websites is a known scamer, regarding the informations you provided, i had a look at Curaçao in wikipedia, it is a fiscal paradise, so the best action is to complain about them to the FBI, or Interpol or, Europol, any internation police can do the job, especially if you do it from dutchland, this will trigger an investigation if there are enough complains, and will eventually lead to arrest the owner of these websites.
Regarding the bitcoins, i don't really know how they will react.

That's reason why i stopped gambling long time ago. Casino's are friendly only when you are losing. Even if you won fair and square they'll steal your money and expect you to leave like nothing happened.

It doesn't matter if they were oldschool casino's who accept credit cards and other shit. These new bitcoin casinos are not different than the previous ones.

This shit is cancer. Stop gambling.

possibly they are connected to each other those who are creating this gambling site have some ideas how the system will do, i'm not saying all of them but apparently there are some shady casino's that only good when you are depositing and losing your money but when you got some luck and you earn huge earnings you will be suspected doing something and they will delayed or freeze everything.

Considering the informations bellow :
 
They are indeed linked, by the same licensing company who is maybe the owner of the platforms. It looks like it is a network of scam casinos with the same schems repeating. Like the serial scamers we have in the altcoin section.

I see the Gambling section flooded with gamblers sponsoring sportsbet.io

1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1580020.0
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1435334.0
3. etc..

I suggest some responsible member to suggest these punters to stop sponsoring them as they(sportsbet.io) has nothing to lose now so they will eventually run away with their money, they will probably not rat you for 0.1 or 1 btc , but as soon as you make a big deposit they will scam you.

so, any member who is in DT should warn punters not to sponsor scam sites.

regards,
chevas

Not taking their side, but perhaps because of Good Friday and the weekend. I have had a delay in response from support because it was a weekend, and am aware they do not have a working back end team during the weekend. But no way I am taking their side. Should wait for one more day.

So this is what it boiled down to,
 ->Sportsbet.io doesn't wanna return his bitcoins.
 ->They don't consider it important to reply here anymore or update us when they're totally surviving on this community.
 ->We as a community should come together and fight such casinos.
 ->Please spread awareness about sports.bet.io everywhere possible.Let all gambling blogs know about their scam.
 ->Please share the message in gambling discussion boards.

This is not the first time that any gambling site have ignored to send the bitcoin of a user and blocked his account and not replying to any of his messages. This all is happening when a user deposit high btc and when they are won they get this problem. That is why it is not recommend to invest high btc as this will create scam for their site
But i think we all of the community users should do something so that next time no one can do this type of fraud

I think sporstbet.io just doesn't seems to care about their reputation anymore, I wonder why they don't give everyone a proper explanation on this issue?

This will be my last week sponsoring them which ends on Thursday morning, if they don't clear up their name. I am sorry to quit such a good partnership (they paid me more than 3 BTC so far without problems) but until things become good enough again, this is my last week sponsoring them. If you wanna get my tips from Thursday on unfortunately you will have to pay a fee to know my bets. Cheers everyone.

We should just be careful they will come out a new site and a new name this kind of script and hosting will only cost them 1 Bitcoin they can come out with many more and do the same thing to again just like what happen to this guy so beware or better stop gambling.

It's a shame that "licensed" operators are stooping to this level. Fraudulent activity is naturally going to cause accounts to be suspended and should void ALL bets, not simply winnings but even losing. Very few casinos actually just close accounts and refund deposits, it's so tempting to just take everything from the moral high ground.

If you catch a thief, it is illegal for you to take his wallet. One wrong does not give you a Free Pass at one wrong.

Lesson learnt for all: check terms and conditions always. Always ask and confirm with customer support before depositing anything if you need to verify at some point.

UPDATE: apologies for the late reply, we are human as well, and enjoyed the Easter break.

OP poster has been notified of repeated serious ID verification failure and following double spending fraudulent behavior, we have decided to close his account and offered to return his deposit of 15 BTC.

Sportsbet.io indeed allows instant betting at 0 confirmation deposits on blockchain for player experience (except for known double spending patterns) and instant withdrawals after 3 confirmations of initial deposit.  As any other BTC gambling operator offering the same, can attest to, there is a significant amount of abuse attempts around and we are simply preventing fraud here.

In a perfect world, we don't like having to KYC our players, except when absolutely necessary, and especially when certain players groups make multiple accounts and attempt to fraud us, through double spending.

We believe the experience for the player is best when they can play instantly with 0 confirmations, however, we then need to mitigate fraud, which includes knowing our customer and ensuring there are no multi accounters.

Regarding regulatory – sportsbet.io is regulated by Curaçao license as stated in https://sportsbet.io/about/gaming-licence, and we do have regulatory requirements to follow, which we continue to do so.

Best regards,
sportsbet.io

Great. I retire what I said earlier in the thread here and will continue to promote you through my bets. Cheers.

Would you have offered a full refund if the OP had lost some of his deposit?

You keep claiming a double spent transaction without showing any proof. It isn't true simply because you say so, back it up.

At least the Op gets their deposit back if your offer is genuine. Other bettors beware though, this can happen to you to whenever they feel like it.

Hi TrumpD,

If a multi accounting fraudulent player lost their chips and committed double spending, then the deposit wouldn't have confirmed on the blockchain and therefore there would be nothing to refund.

Cheers,
sportsbet.io

I get you, but I think you misunderstood my question. In this case if the OP had lost 5btc, would you refund 10btc instead of 15btc? And btw his transaction confirmed so you cannot prove doublespend. Saying he did, does not prove he did.

Regards.

Hi TrumpD,

We’re sorry, but we will not go into details of how we (or other bitcoin casinos and sportsbooks) detect potential double spenders or our security procedures.

Further we take every incident on a case by case basis and thoroughly investigate everything; one of those things include the player being able to pass KYC. 

The OP has now responded to us and sent us a bitcoin address for the original deposit (15btc) to be returned to, which our accounting team will do tomorrow, so we  consider this case closed.

Cheers,
sportsbet.io

I don't think red tag should be taken out,I have seen sportsbet online when complainant was posting in their official thread he should posted that he will give answer in a proper time  instead of ignoring the complainant post,just when the issue escalate that he posted here,you have a very bad excuse in my opinion.

That is not rocket science.100 other open source tools are available to detect double spends.

Why not only allow players who pass KYC to play on your site to avoid all the hassle ? Makes more sense ? That would ensure you only have trusted,verified players using your website.

Let him update here if he needs to get 21 bitcoins as the title of the thread.Regardless,case isn't closed completely,the feedback stay's as a warning.

Maybe he will remember what he said:



How does Curacao eGaming regulate you and where are these regulatory requirements stated?

We should really start a community for busting gambling scams.If it hadn't for our continuous efforts and of course support of fellow DT members like Lauda and other's,I don't think they'd even take his accusations seriously.

Next up : Powerbet.io

It already exists!


I was contacted by Satoshidice after I called out their scam and they saw the necessity to move to a new domain.


Powerbet is beaten, I have everything. The only problem is that victims are brain washed and do not want to spend anything. They are happy to throw a ton of Bitcoins after scams, but they are not willing to spend some more to enforce their claim.

There are already multiple threads and members in this community/forum that help with doing exactly that. Is Powerbet related to sportsbet or are they a separate gambling site ?

Separate gambling site.

Joel_Jantsen has done a great job bringing this up and also the whole community 21.1 btc is such a huge amount to be ignored,here in our country you can buy a modest house and lot and cars great community efforts

thank you all, I have not forgotten my promise to reward community members who have assisted me.

I will provide a detailed update to the community on the situation tomorrow once I receive my 15 BTC.

Good luck!  :)

I think this is the most important, please advise us when you recover your Bitcoins. I will then remove the negative trust, at least untill someone else opens a scam accusation against them.


I don't think they will pay anyone as long as they get their money back. Could you give use more informations about the community who busts scam casinos ? or you are talking about bitcointalk ?

Well, that's nice to hear for sure.

Hopefully you do get your money back but it seems very unlikely they would not pay you as they have already promised in public in front of all of our eyes. I mean the move by them might be questionable but after all they do have a licence and have a reputation in the community before all this happened.

Good luck with the reclaiming process, all the best to you!

But despite of all the negative trust, they still steal 6,5 BTC! And if they would have proof of their accusation, they would not give back 15 BTC.

It looks like the possible court case concerned them. Now they give 15 BTC back, knowing that the remaining 6,5 BTC are not really worth to start a court case. Without proof, they would have lost the court case and they know it!


Based on my experience, 90% are not willing to contribute anything even if they do not get their money back!  :o


Is my signature too small? Should I make it larger?


What exactly does it mean that they have a license?

OP - your deposit of 15btc has been returned, pls see tx: https://blockexplorer.com/tx/5b327205888be7cb3fdb5f5e371a565de9cd1e1ed6ab28c38832e1c52b30df97

Please confirm you have received it.

Cheers,
sportsbet.io

Quote for reference: we wait for confirm by user too

After continuous jabbering from community members you do.But hey ,we got another surprise for you : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1876144.0 Although I didn't had the time to check what he is bragging about but you should definitely start actively responding to your customers apart from your official thread.This time he has something against  your agency.  :-X

Sportsbet
Can you tell me why is your website regulated  by curacao license? I'll answer this question, It's because to protect yourself in many situation and don't be afraid if you scam anyone, it's safe zone for you, that's why you choose this.
And read this:
You aren't going to give him bitcoins which he won but if he lost 15 bitcoin, would you give him those bitcoins back? Answer this. You want only profit and you aren't giving customers what they deserve, you hang on this.
It's still a little good that you gave him those bitcoins but you still did that action for yourself, to keep your small reputation but for me and for most people that doesn't make sense. If you want to show us that your website is place to bet, than give him amount of won bitcoins.

Nicely said. Question arises would he have been promoted to verify documents if he lost. So far there are many cases on sportsbet which I guess sportsbet only asked after a player processed withdrawal and none of them at the time when player placed a bet or prior to depositing.

However I also feel that KYC documents for Bitcoin casinos are all a joke.

To be clear the OP, made over 20 BTC profit from us during the lifespan of this account (from previous deposits, winnings and withdrawals).

If we were only profit motivated, we would not have returned anything from his last deposit. however, we are not a ruthless operation and therefore we are only acting upon the transactions once we discovered the fraud and the player failed to KYC himself; what happened in the past is history. (although it would be well within our rights, as per our terms and conditions, to confiscate all funds)

As we have previously answered in regard to:

“You aren’t going to give him bitcoins which he won but if he lost 15 bitcoin, would you give him those bitcoins back? Answer this. You want only profit and you aren’t giving customers what they deserve, you hang on this.”

If he had lost 15 bitcoin, then the deposit would not have confirmed on the blockchain - that is the effect of a player doing double spend fraud.

In regard to the Curacao license, we need this to be able to offer certain casino games from different casino software providers. to maintain this license, there are certain regulations which provide a framework we need to operate within.

Cheers,
sportsbet.io

He has right to make profit if he is enough lucky. For example I bet 20$ ticket on local online casino and odd was 800, I was lucky, very lucky and won huge amount of money, I was in huge profit but I don't had any issue in withdraw.

You did this because there was thread in scam accusation, it would be appreciatable if money was sent back when you two had mail with each other.

No, I mean if he deposited and lost 15 bitcoin, would you send him back his lost money?
If player lose 15, 30, 50 bitcoin, you only will be happy and in this situation you aren't doing any verification process, you enjoy the situation.
If you don't send him what he won, than you won't take what he will lose.


Ha ha, why do they need curacao? Why won't they accept your local license? Curacao is island which is safer zone for your business.

Which casino software providers require a license from you?


Do you speak about the frame work gaming server and managing director in Curacao?

Still, what are the requirements and where are they stated?

Are these requirements a secret between you and your licensor? But they are helpful for your customers, right?


Can you cancel a Bitcoin transfer until the first confirmation?

How does NitrogenSports handle this with instant deposits and withdrawals?

Deposit and withdrawals on Nitrogensports are not instant for your kind information
They require atleast 1 confirmation on your deposit to be able to place bets on their sportsbook. Not sure about casino
And takes 30 mins to 6 hours to process a withdrawal.
All based on my personal recent experience

AS per my experience you cannot cancel a transaction once it is processed, and i also agree that Nitrogensports are not giving instant deposit of your bitcoins they need atleast 1 confirmation and same way the withdraw procedure is also the same.

and after reading all comments one thing is sure that it is not good to play on sportsbet.io site as they are asking KYC when a user deposits high and when they are winning they start the fiat currency process of identification way of KYC which is not good for bitcoin gambling users.

All these bitcoin casinos are all criminals, they are all scams. When you lose they are happy and don't even request for anything but when you win they start requesting for unnecessary information. It shows how greedy they are, we have to keep bursting all these scam websites until we have sent ll of them packing. Cloudbet.com is another scam website.

OP got his 15BTC

BUT

I don't see any other proof why they didn't payed him his 6.1BTC wining.

This is a good qestion, and i am still waiting for the OP to confirm the reception as he haven't answered since a long time.
Maybe sportsbet could ask him to confirm on the thread ? while i doubt he came back to their platform.

Maybe OP received 15btc and hang on this thread because he achieved minimum of what he wanted and there is no chanse for him to receive what hr won and also in this situation he has to be active but suddenly we are doing this.
Also sportsbet didn't answer me correctly on this question:
If you still can't understand, I mean lost of 15 bitcoins on your website while gambling and etc.

Also change signature: with betbigwinnothing because op bet big and didn't win anything, he nearly lost big :D

Op probably happily got his 15 bitcoins and left the forum forever.He was going to reward some people last I remember.As usual there is no alternative to being helpful.The other 6.1 btc probably got declined due to failed KYC verifications.

Any update about this accusations? Looks like the sportbet team doesn't care about this thread.

Very enlightening thread. At least the OP got 15 BTC back. However, it seems it was a pain to get it.

I have similar problem with sportsbet.io. I have deposited 3 BTC and won 1.7 BTC. My total balance was more than 4,7 BTC. They closed my balance, returned deposit and confiscated winnings. What was funny, the reason was multi-accounting. It is bullshit, I have only one account. What I am afraid of, I used mobile phone and mobile internet for placing bets. I afraid that it is possible, that for many mobile internet users could be the same ip address .

What are you afraid of if you didn't cheat ? It's ironic how we're talking about cheating when sportsbet.io themselves are the biggest cheaters in the gambling industry.
Please open a new scam accusation against them with all the relevant proofs and we should take it from there.

All of these KYC requirements are just some lame excuses to refuse paying winners in every online casino and sports betting platform.

If you really are obligated by regulations to ask for KYC then you should ask for documents when a player is trying to obtain a deposit

Address in the first place, but I guess it wont matter if someone even tries to deposit $10M you'll gladly accept it since you have no intentions

Of giving it back, with Bitcoin if anyone asked for KYC just know it's all bullshit and avoid depositing a buck there. OP should receive whatever

He has won in full, otherwise paying him back his initial deposit doesn't work.

lol we're talking about the criminal casinos here : sportsbet.io/bitcasino.io/vaegascasino.io they're cheating the gambling scene since a long time.They are only able to scam the money due to never ending spawning of idiots who still chose to play money and lose on those websites.Who cares anyway ? DT members have left the warnings anyway.

Why your withdrawal fee is so low? Its gonna take forever to wait just for 1 confirmation!

There sure are some vicious people in this thread.  I do as much research on a btc sportsbook before I make a deposit as possible. After reading through all of these pages, OP received his original 15 BTC deposit (even after he has been caught cheating).

As far as KYC requirements, some of you just don't get it. Why would a bitcoin sportsbook WANT TO require KYC?  

The answer is that THEY DON'T WANT TO!  They are literally required to in order to comply with local laws and to be able to stay in business.  It's a hassle for everyone including the operators..

This sportsbook pays out regularly, quickly and with no problem at all.

OP is lucky that he got his original 15 BTC back in the first place, some sportsbooks would have kept his initial deposit.

Before you jump to conclusions, do some research.  

 

  

We've just tested this website today, deposited 0.001 BTC, placed 2 bets, withdrew 0.0022 BTC - received it quite instantly.
All went well without any issues.

Proof of Deposit:
https://blockchain.info/tx/3e99ae64ca4e479ca91e54238761153713a4cfe3a20377dfede0e76e0e8b64ee

Proof of Withdrawal:
https://blockchain.info/tx/99e8b5fdfdef40799a39dbf8f379dbbb2723d72b8567ee19d9ceeee6d8d2aa4a

Who are you fooling? 5 year old kids? How much were you paid to post this drivel?

If that's proof, I'm the Dalai Lama. Anyone can make random transactions. Would you like me to replicate those transactions? I can send 0.001 to a random BTC address and use another wallet to "withdraw" 0.0022 to another address.

If you and these scamming casinos want to attract more victims ahem I meant gamblers, work harder on your shilling and vouching skills.

Very clever! In many cases putting "casino name" + "scam" into google is sufficient. Additionally you can take a look at the Online gambling scams (http://game-protect.com/online-gambling-scams/)


Is proof posted in this thread how he cheated the publicly proven sportsbet scam (https://game-protect.com/sportsbet-scam/)?


Can you please quote those local laws?

If they are required by laws to ask for KYC, then they are surely required to do this as well with deposits if the deposit exceeds a certain amount, right?


I have no idea at which part on the moon you live, but sportsbooks usually do not give deposits back if caught cheating! ::)

glad i see this warning first.. was about to make a deposit
do you guys know a legit sportbook casino?

In future simply put "casino name + scam" into google. ;)

Game Protect offers some sportsbooks where you can play with consumer protection service inclusive.

Hey guys,
Whilst posting in this thread might raise a few eyebrows, the accusation by this ex-forum member has continued to be an issue for our trust rating and reputation here on the forum for some time.
Despite this, the support from many on here has been just amazing and we have worked hard over the past year to bring value to you all with great promotions and be seen as a valued member of the community. Just like you all we are advocates of Bitcoin, and love our sports!
We have had a look back into this issue with Excess Test, and at the time the responses from us on here left a lot to be desired, so we wanted to lay it out so that anyone can read through in detail and hopefully make an informed opinion on the matter.
Cheers,
Sportsbet.io

Definitions

Operator – Sportsbet.io (operated by mBetSolutions N.V founded under and governed by the laws of Curacao. Licensed to provide online betting services under gaming license 1668/JAZ issued by the Government of Curacao).

Client – Natural person whose identity cannot be disclosed in this document. Account holder in Sportsbet.io. User “ExcessTest” in Bitcointalk.

Terms and Conditions – Set of provisions that govern the legal relations between the Operator and the Client. https://sportsbet.io/about/terms-and-conditions.

Double spend -  A well-known fraudulent scheme i.e. depositing with a lower than normal transaction fee, placing high stakes bets and in case of a loss the deposit transaction would be spent elsewhere with a higher transaction fee, effectively invalidating the deposit that was credited to the players account on Blockchain.

Example: A player has a total of 5BTC in his/her Bitcoin wallet. The Player deposits the 5BTC with a very low fee to an online casino which allows immediate gameplay without any confirmations of the transfer of funds on the blockchain. The player then loses 1 BTC in playing however due to the low fee and hence slow transaction, the initial deposit of 5BTC is still not confirmed in the blockchain. The player then maliciously issues another transaction with the same inputs of the initial 5BTC to elsewhere/to a different address under his or her control with a higher transaction fee which will be confirmed faster than the initial 5BTC transfer, therefore rendering the deposit invalid, and a loss of 1BTC to the casino.


Timeline of events

30.03.2017 – The Client registered an account with the Operator and makes first deposit of 4BTC   
30.03.2017 – The Client was immediately flagged for suspicious gameplay due rapidly changing gameplay dependant on whether the transaction was confirmed in the blockchain or not.
30.03.2017- 02.04.2017 – The Client continues the suspicious gameplay over the course of 4 deposit/withdraw instances.
02.04.2017 – The Client requested a withdrawal in the sum of 20.6 BTC which was declined by the Operator due to suspicious gameplay.
03.04.2017 – The Operator asked the Client to undertake a KYC review which the Client failed (see reasoning below).
03.04.2017 – The Clients user account was disabled (see reasoning below).
12.04.2017- The Operator pointed out the issues with submitted documents and asked the Client for additional information.
13.04.2017 – The Client submitted additional documents (KYC review failed again).
17.04.2017 – The Operator offered a settlement to the Client in the form of 15 BTC lump sum payment. The Client accepted the offer and the funds were transferred over on 19.04.2017.


Transactions between the Operator and the Client

Date stamp   Type   Status   Amount in BTC   Tx ID
30/03/2017   Deposit   CONFIRMED   4   8521e01d44873a24669d3d6c48423f7a598a8db0385ba99b1ad46fa558683f19

30/03/2017   Withdraw   CONFIRMED   5.3   60cd9a56929a3fb56b9adc169c981cd7de676af85c53f73157f6400951685e67

31/03/2017   Deposit   CONFIRMED   5   4fe0b214223a2c09831909096b7a08a1fc4255e8eade3340c2607e838f35bbde

31/03/2017   Withdraw   CONFIRMED   7.9   a86d776077ef766934dc18f4a14f5ce404a92aaef63ca2f9e6e4e003c7befef5

31/03/2017   Deposit   CONFIRMED   7.5   863e6ca0ce7ab3af64304103513c9cb874dc390be3705376e4fc8181c5641e51

01/04/2017   Withdraw   CONFIRMED   11.6   0dfa87c8ac207dc05ba4c3018bd51767ee5a1c93a27dada52c34088d3d6a264e

01/04/2017   Deposit   CONFIRMED   11   f2baf24ef8120eabcbea8448aba5c2e733808be7f4fad1d636ef0572c180bfde

01/04/2017   Withdraw   CONFIRMED   15.6   13ce7637e6dee284692ee169b6186470c58aa29ac8be9a9a17047084c5f92085

01/04/2017   Deposit   CONFIRMED   15   2566d09ce625c5f222baaa89f1154d3c40cdf06270263307f8679c6d88201e8e

02/04/2017   Withdraw   DECLINED   21.5   
19/04/2017   Manual Withdrawal (Settlement)   CONFIRMED   15   5b327205888be7cb3fdb5f5e371a565de9cd1e1ed6ab28c38832e1c52b30df97


As seen from the table above the Client deposited a total of 42.5 BTC and withdrew 55.4 BTC. 6.5 BTC was confiscated from the Client’s account at the time of account closure (see reasoning below).


Why was the Client asked to submit KYC documents?

T&C 9.2 “Sportsbet.io reserve the right to carry out additional KYC verification procedures for any withdrawals exceeding the equivalent of 1 Bitcoin or €2000 as regulated by our gaming license.”

T&C 7.4 “We reserve the right to block / delay processing of withdrawal requests until requested copies of valid photographic identification, proof of address and/or credit/debit card are provided to our satisfaction (KYC).”


The Client’s betting and transaction patterns gave the Operator a reasonable suspicion that the Client’s activity may be fraudulent. This, as standard, triggered an in-depth investigation which found the following:

a)   After depositing the Client always started to play high-stakes blackjack hands and stopped at the point when the deposit was confirmed in the Blockchain. This kind of behaviour strongly suggests an attempt to Double Spend.

After the investigation the Operator exercised its right to carry out a KYC (Know your Customer) procedure.


Why did the Client fail the KYC procedure?


Operators Player Safety and Assurance Department carried out the document review on two occasions (03.04.2017 and 13.04.2017).

The following issues were found regarding the provided documents:

-   Visual signs suggesting that the document is forged and/or electronically manipulated. The Client submitted a passport that was closely examined with senior in-house Fraud Engineer, who concluded that vital pieces of information were missing that should be present on that specific passport.

-   Mismatched information was present on the document itself, (e.g. showing a different document number at various different places on the same document).

-   The Client submitted two separate documents for ID verification. In several places the information did not correlate correctly between documents (e.g two different signatures).

-   The address that was provided to the Operator cannot be found using any of the public databases. 

-   The utility bill provided by the Client was over 3 months old and therefore of low trust. 

Due to the fact that the matter involves delicate personal data we are not able to disclose the documents received to the public. However, we are prepared to disclose all evidence to a neutral third party if that is requested and providing that we have a permission of the Client to do so.


Why was Clients account disabled?

T&C 3.10 “We have the right to carry out “KYC” (Know Your Customer) verification procedures and access to your Member Account may be blocked or closed if we determine that you have supplied false or misleading information.”

T&C 16.1 “Without restricting our ability to rely on other remedies that may be available to us, we may suspend and/or terminate your account, cancel any outstanding bets and/or confiscate any or all funds in your account at our absolute discretion if: (i) we suspect that you are engaging in money laundering, illegal or other fraudulent activity while using our Website; or
(vi) we determine that you are breaching any term of these Terms and Conditions;”


Considering the unsatisfactory result of the KYC procedure paired with a strong suspicion of fraudulent activity, the Operator exercised its right to suspend the Client’s account; therefore, the Client was deemed undesirable for the Operator. 

Ultimately the reasons behind the suspension of the account and the foreclosure of funds were:

a)   The Client provided false and misleading information during the KYC procedure

b)   There was a strong suspicion (over reasonable doubt) that the Client was engaged in fraudulent activity regarding gameplay and transactions


Why was 6.5 BTC funds confiscated from Clients account?

T&C 16.1 “Without restricting our ability to rely on other remedies that may be available to us, we may suspend and/or terminate your account, cancel any outstanding bets and/or confiscate any or all funds in your account at our absolute discretion if: (i) we suspect that you are engaging in money laundering, illegal or other fraudulent activity while using our Website; or
(vi) we determine that you are breaching any term of these Terms and Conditions;”

T&C 16.2 “You acknowledge that Sportsbet.io shall be the final decision-maker as to whether you have violated rules, terms or conditions in a manner that results in suspension or permanent barring from participation in our Websites.”

Considering:

a)   The Client provided false and misleading information during the KYC procedure

b)   Strong suspicion (over reasonable doubt) of fraudulent activity regarding transactions and gameplay

c)   The fact that the Client had already received a 12.9BTC profit via fraudulent gameplay from the Operator

The Operator exercised its right to confiscate 6.5 BTC from the Clients account.

Aren't you operated by the same agency that runs bitcasino.io and vegascasino.io? Both are shady gambling sites with a number of scam accusations against them. Who is AnthonyBTCAgency on skype? Is that a common entity between all these sites?

Based on your own terms and conditions you must get blocked or closed!!! :D


1) Bitcasino.io is operated by Luckbox Ent Ltd (I asked it 100 times, where is Luckbox Ent Ltd incorporated?)

2) The provision and regulation of the casino games offered on Bitcasino.io is through mBet Solutions N.V., who are licensed and regulated by the Government of Curacao under the 1668/JAZ. (No, blatant liar, the Government of Curaçao does not license or regulate mBet Solutions N.V., they even do not know you crooks!!! The Government of Curaçao simply gave the 1668/JAZ license to Cyberluck Curaçao N.V., NOOOOT to mBet Solutions N.V.!!! How mentally ill a human must be to not be able to understand this?)

3) The CoinGaming Group, operator of leading bitcoin-led iGaming brands Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io, has rolled out a Lightning Network. (I asked it 100 times, where is CoinGaming Ltd incorporated?)

If you are an innocent sheep as you claim, why not answer these legitimate and relevant questions?

Google

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bitcasino scam = first page, fourth entry

vegascasino scam = first page, eighth entry