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I would not trust casinos that are built on a softswiss platform, because all of them are served without a free team (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926894.0)

I think you were already with that casino as I heard that name of the casino before on this forum.
Have you renewed your casino or that is the same casino and the thread you created is a new casino. I am searching to find the old thread which I saw before your thread.
edit:
I was true and I found that you have started a new thread for your casino. God Luck for your new start
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1247489.msg19224043#msg19224043

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1247489.0

They decided to create a new one, very suspiciously

I'm sure that customers in most cases transfer the management of their site to the company softswiss and after that I would not recommend playing in such halls at all.

Because the whole team of Ivan Monic thinks like scammers (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1936168.msg19225499#msg19225499)

They have too many threads on this gambling section, more than 3 I guess. I think many members has suggested them to focus on one thread only but seems that they do not really care about forum's rules.
The other bad thing is that he (OP) tried to promote the promotions on some other competitor gambling ANN threads by trying to say that their promotions is better than the other promotions.
Sounds like a thread hijacking for me.

Hi! I'd like to explain few things.

The first of all: yes, oshi.io runs at softswiss platform but it's fully in the hand of our CEO and founder of Oshi.io Nick Garner and his team. We are very open and transparent about everything including casino management and you can find many interviews with Nick himself. If you have any additional questions on this, feel free to ask.

Secondly, yes, we have an older thread on this forum and we created this one for several reasons. The main one was a fact that the author of that thread isn't oshi.io community manager anymore and it could cause confusions. Because of this I personally contacted the forum admins and was recommended to create a new one and let them close the old one. Another reason was that oshi.io isn't a common casino that never changes. We are the right opposite, we are constantly evolving, bringing new features etc. And because of this the old thread was very old-dated.

I also admit that I should have mentioned the old thread, thanks for flagging that up.

If you have any other questions and doubts don't hesitate to ask. As I said before we are very transparent and we do not have to hide anything.

Cheers,
Yours OshiHugo

Hey i like the idea of make you own... and i love playing; the only problem i have = ok maybe a few problems, is why this is controlled and over seen only by one guy? second is... swissoft game work good but they really suck in my opinion. and im so sorry but i can not bring myself to drop any kind of btc in a thing i dont like. good luck and hope your issues get on a better line!!!!

Glad you like our bonus feature!
What do you mean by "one guy"? There is a whole team behind Oshi and we only use SoftSwiss platform - Oshi isn't ran by SoftSwiss. You can see the most important people from Oshi's team HERE (http://kb.oshi.io/?ht_kb=team).
And as mentioned many times, SoftSwiss is only our platform provider and we have games by many providers such as NETNET, Microgaming, Amatic and many others.

I saw that you are not accepting bitcoin there but yet you still promote your site here. Are you going to update it with bitcoin later? Because this is bitcoin forum and I believe that everyone wants to play using their coin instead of their fiat

And about 200 freespins, how much should we deposit to get it? And can it combine with 100% deposit bonus?

We do accept Bitcoin! I don't know where you have read it, but we accept Bitcoin. In fact, we were BTC only casino from the beginning.

For 200 free spins you have to deposit at least 0.048 BTC and with that you will get 81% deposit bonus.
If you wanna 100% deposit bonus, then you will have to deposit at least 0.01 BTC and will get 105 freespins. You can also choose anything in between with our Build Your Own Bonus feature. Find more about it HERE (https://kb.oshi.io/?ht_kb=bonus-crafter-help) or just ask :)

If you go to their site then you will find that they have listed bitcoin at the bottom of the site with other type of payment processors and payment methods. That is why they are here to promote their service on this bitcoin community otherwise if they would not accept bitcoin then no one would come to gamble from this community.

Yes. Exactly. As I mentioned we began us clearly Bitcoin casino. We have been adding fiat currencies to provide the best experience for the players lately though.

But, you work under a white label company license by Direx N.V which is a scammer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1936168.msg19225499#msg19225499)! What kind of trust can we talk about?

We have been online for a long time now and there hasn't been a single one problem that couldn't be explained. We have thousands of satisfied players, an amazing rating, many seals of approval by sites like LastestCasinoBonuses or AskGamblers etc. and our CEO is Nick who is very transparent about everything, who is personally helping players with their issue and a successful businessman.
This is the kind of trust I am talking about.

Your bank roll is managed by direx n.v
and, you work under a white label company license by Direx N.V which is a scammer! What kind of trust can we talk about?

Nick Garner here, founder of Oshi casino. Hugo asked me to step into this conversation.

@bit.news if you want your accusations to be treated seriously, you should provide some evidence. Otherwise you're just another person screaming about another casino.

To say that Direx NV is a scam and they are scammers, is essentially saying that 60% of all Cryptocurrency casinos are also scammers. You're obviously saying that Bitstarz, mBIT and other major SoftSwiss casinos are scammers as well?

For anyone just looking in,
this person is talking about a company called SoftSwiss, which has a licence in the name of Direx N.V. if you're unfamiliar with the industry, then it's important to understand that for liability and regulatory reasons casino operators will have multiple corporate entities sitting behind a brand name.

here are a couple of affiliate sites with lists of SoftSwiss casinos
- https://www.askgamblers.com/software/softswiss/
- https://www.casinofreak.com/software/softswiss-casinos

As I understand it, there are about 35 different casino brands working under the SoftSwiss white label framework.

As far as bankrolling goes, each casino operator works independently of the next and decides on how customers are paid out. That's why there is a lot of variance between one brand and another when it comes to cash at times and strictness on verification et cetera.

Anyhow in order for this thread to be meaningful to any reader, I reiterate: @bit.news please substantiate your accusations. :-)

@OshiNick he already posted scam-accusation thread against SoftSwiss take a look here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1936168.msg19225499#msg19225499

I read through that post and made some comments. To summarise: this seems like a broken business relationship with bit.news crying foul and attempting to damage SoftSwiss's reputation. Of course, SoftSwiss can look after themselves but I felt bound to respond and at least put over a more balanced view of the situation.

Bit.news: why try to damage Oshi's own reputation when we've had nothing to do with your failed enterprise? It's horrible when businesses don't work, so as one entrepreneur to another I'm very sorry about your misfortunes. I hope you recover financially and are able to have another go at setting up a brand with another white label provider.

This is a scam right?

no.... Please read the definition of scammer / scam:
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/scammer | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Scammer | http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/scammer

I don't see what's illegal in this whole episode. If there are genuinely illegal activities, then I'm sure bit.news could put forward a case and there would be ramifications. But I think it's highly unlikely.

Side note: one thing that does irritate me is misuse of language. Sorry to say. :-(

Terms of the contract were not met by softswiss. After we paid them money they began to pull the rubber.And also to give up other obligations that were sounded in the agreement.

You work under the license of scammers, there's nothing more to say

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1936168

In fact, there is more to say. If you signed a contract and they failed to meet their obligations under the contract, you have legal recourse through the jurisdiction the contract was signed under.
If you're only recourse is to argue various points here, then you obviously have no confidence in your legal position.

I just think for people reading this thread, it's important to discriminate between somebody who is angry with no particular recourse i.e. a gambler who has lost a lot of money versus a businessman who understands enough about contractual law to right this issue i.e. you; bit.news. Sadly just repeating the accusation of SoftSwiss being a scammer doesn't actually change anything. It's also disappointing that you have not read and understood the correct definition of scammer.

Nevertheless, I hope you resolve your troubles with SoftSwiss

@Crypt0Ninja and anyone else:
Please do not get confused by this person 'bit.news' and their claims. It obvious that it's someone whose business plans, containing cooperation with SoftSwiss, didn't go according to their expectation and now they are just trying to "revenge" on one of many casinos using SoftSwiss platform. As Nick mentioned - over 60% of bitcoin casinos are run on SoftSwiss platform.
You can see yourself that we are solid BTC and Fiat casino with one of the best ratings among all online casinos by just making a quick search on Google (https://www.google.com/search?channel=t26&q=oshi+casino&gws_rd=cr,ssl&ei=t5g1WbX7MIWn6ASZ8rL4Ag), reading through our old official thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1247489.0), seeing reviews and ratings on AskGamblers (https://www.askgamblers.com/online-casinos/oshi-casino-review/), Lastestcasinobonus  (https://latestcasinobonuses.com/casinos/oshi)or any other site.

@bit.news
I believe that it has been said enough. Nick answered all your questions and your accusations. There is no reason to keep spamming in this thread. If you are not happy with Nick's answers then you have this thread of your own where you can post anything you want and possibly Nick will answer there. Anyway, I think that if you have any problem with SoftSwiss then you should probably contact them directly on not accuse casinos that have nothing to do with that. Thanks for respecting that.



Oh, and don't forget that the new round of our win-ration based tournaments has just started!
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I'm also sure that I'm here talking with the managers of the company Direx N.V

You say the words of Ivan Monic, they thus justified themselves when they could not integrate poker
Do you want me to voice the words of a poker provider about the reason for not integrating poker?

Nick is not an employee of SoftSwiss and I am sorry that you still think that. Anyway, even if you are right, then I still believe that's fully problem of Oshi's managment, which is really satisfied with the cooperation with SoftSwiss and isn't worried about any potential scam from SoftSwiss, NOT yours, nor the casino players. We are glad that you warned us and we hope you solve your problems successfully. But that's it - nothing more. All you do is just making other users confused and spamming.
So please do stop it and rather contact SoftSwiss or your lawyers if needed and let this thread alone. Otherwise I will have to ask the admins to do something about this becase it's just spam with no sense or meaning.


Recap for the others:
This user 'bit.news' probably tried to do some business with our platform provider SoftSwiss and for some reason, which is known only to this user and SoftSwiss, it didn't end up well. 'bit.news' is now trying to discredit Oshi.io and tens of other casinos built on SoftSwiss platform by meaningless accusations and wrong conclusions, even thought that neither Oshi.io or any other casino using SoftSwiss platform has nothing to do with SoftSwiss agreements, trades and any other business operation (platform provided excluded of course).
You can be sure that it's completely secure and safe to play on Oshi.

While you are working under the license of scammers Direx N.V, I would not trust this site. Make your own license and company, and then say that you do not depend on SCAMMERS DIREX N.V

I'm not trying to hurt the business of people who work with softswiss and direx n.v (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1936168)

But on behalf of these companies was fraud, and therefore I can not recommend sites that legally belong to scam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1936168) companies

Here is the evidence


Here are some links in English

http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/i3/53655d77029939-95734520

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/76183-direx-n-v-casinos.html

http://aufaq.com/lichnyj-opyt-v-razrabotke-produktov-elektronnoj-kommercii/1179.html

http://aufaq.com/new/1181.html

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=594723.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=589538.msg6517909#msg6517909

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-industry-discussion/78735-softswiss-direx.html#post829790


Here are some links in Russian

http://forumonlinecasino.com/topic/255-softswisscom-moshenniki/

http://forumonlinecasino.com/topic/243-ttrblog-casino-ttr-moshennik-pod-vidom-igroka/

http://forumonlinecasino.com/topic/255-softswisscom-moshenniki/

https://www.casinozforum.com/threads/ekaterina-i-konflikt-s-ttrcasino.276/

https://www.casinozforum.com/threads/skandal-na-ttrblog-ban-ekateriny-ili-otzyv-o-ttrcasino.261/

This thread is getting rather monotonous, but just to say if you know your legal position then do something about it instead of spamming us and other SoftSwiss brands.

Almost 3 days of our weekly tournament ate gone, but you can still join it!
And more than that! You can also win! Just as the tournament isn't based on wagering, it isn't based on the requirement to start during the first day either!
On the other hand - it helps - so don't forget that on Monday a new tournament starts!

While you are working under the license of scammers Direx N.V, I would not trust this site. Make your own license and company, and then say that you do not depend on SCAMMERS DIREX N.V

I'm not trying to hurt the business of people who work with softswiss and direx n.v (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1936168)

What kind of prizes you would like to see in our roulette which is being prepared now?

What do you mean?

Perhaps he is preparing for a roulette competition at the moment and ask for ideas on what prizes we would like to see. But whatever the competition, then cash prize without rollover is always better than free spins with rollover.

Yes, exactly! We are preparing a roulette/lottery game in which you will get tickets by depositing money. And we are just finishing it so I'd like to know what kind of prizes do you prefer. I'm almost certain that there will be a cash prize without rollover, just as it is in our weekly tournaments!

How About Payout ?? Instant ??

Get some tickets by depositing any amount without doing something? If you ask some prizes may be it still depends on what are you going to do with the game. If you said wagered roulette may be you should give some huge prizes, but if it is number hunt, then you should give less prizes there. Prizes that you really need to give is only btc or may be things so people can choose whether they need the items or btc that equivalent

If you mean Bitcoin payout then yes - it's nearly instant and it is one of the most liked feature about Oshi.io ;)

Just by depositing money? No need to wager it and we will get ticket? So we are free to deposit any amounts then we can withdraw it after we get the tickets? If so, then it is not fun tournament at all. You should make fun tournament where players are playing your games.

Even if you give 1000 spins and %5000 welcome bonus it wont make any difference mate, rigged games are rigged games without exception.

Every time I read a casino is saying they have more than 100-1000 games I'd just take the hint and walk away. since I'm not gonna deposit anything

If you were to give away some free amount and plus free spins for the test run, I might register if it's worth my time, no longer people fall for

These free spins and welcome bonuses, personally I got screwed too many times already by the likes of you.

All of our games are certified by well-known providers and they are provably fair.
Anyway, if you don't wanna accept any bonus (including welcome bonus), you don't have to. But I think it would be really shame. With our Build your own bo nus feature you can mix up your welcome bonus by yourself.
Finally, I'm sorry to hear that you got scammed. I really feel with you because I personally lost over 1BTC due to a fraud. It's terrible and those people are destroying the bright future of Bitcoin. That's why I am so glad that I can work for Oshi - a company that I know that would never ever try to scam anyone.
We are still preparing it. But the idea now is that you would get a ticket for every x BTC deposited. You would of course have to wager the deposit three times. On the other hand you can use it to participate in our others tournaments or any game you like.

How do you like our new design?

The design you got now is very nice and the graphic is also attractive but there is one mistake I think in your site that you often used orange color for writings etc and other things but for the emoji in your name you used a red color. I will say shift to red for all or to orange for all.

Thanks for your feedback. Yes, you are right. But there is a reason why we use colors this way: using the red only for the logo makes it special and it's kinda eye catcher.

I didn't notice any changes in design except registration and/or bonus panel at the top. ;) Maybe I need to clear cache.
Overall I like Oshi casino design especially game list.

I like that you can choose. Instead of just getting random stuff you don't want to use or couldn't care for. It gives s certain amount of control to the olsyer which is not often seen in gambling. I think it's a good and interesting idea and hope it goes well. Will be interesting to see what sort of bonuses most people choose to take.

If you are regular player then you probably didn't notice any chances. But we are constantly improving every aspect of our site, design included, so there has been some progress in like few last months.


Exactly! It's the main point. What would you choose?

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This one of the best casino i ever played in the last a year. I also make great winning with small deposit here and also already win they weekly torunament event only on 6th place..
I was regular player here for the last 3 month even i already made 1st deposit 1 year ago. I like yours daily random reload bonus and youes customer support that very helpfull anytime i need them..
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Pliss make lottery winner visible to us and pliss make bitcoin user also can joint lottery..

Hi!
So glad that you like Oshi! How you like weekly tournaments so far? HAve you seen this week's? Only 9000 points to the first place. One great shot can do it.
For now lottery is only for FIAT players (because of various reasons including that it wouldn't be fair to allow BTC now with its price changes). But who knows what will future bring? we are always evolving so stay tuned!
Also, in case of any questions, just message me!
Keep gambling! see you at Oshi!
Yours OshiHugo, Oshi.io Casino CM

every casino that is offering a deposit bonus is scamming you

stay away from that crap

Oh, come please. Really? So every online casino is scamming you, right?
Bullshit. And let alone that we offer kinda unique welcome deposit bonus where you choose what you want to get and what you dont want to / dont like. And you are also free to refuse bonus if you dont like them ;)

Btw, this is saying someone who is promoting "investing in a crypto site", I am not saying it's your case, but you mostly get scam in one of these...

And if you want to be sure that our players like the bonuses they chose and the enjoy them, just read some of excellent reviews on us.

You got to understand why people are upset and its because people have lost many BTC in various scams, exchanges, hacks, viruses, worms, etc.

So even when there is a small chance of a scam, people stay away. 

In general people don't want to do business with anyone who was accused of fraud or scamming in the past because history repeats itself and they don't feel comfortable keeping their BTC in the hands of a previous scammer.

That's completely true, you are right. We have never ever cheated on anyone and still, just as sometimes some one wins big, sometimes someone looses big and then time from time thinks, there had to be a fraud. But again and again was proved that we are 100% fair with players and we are not a part of this "dark side".
Anyway, what I don't like about that user's post is that that it's obviously just a cheap ad for their casino.

Yes you are right that the red color is eye catcher color and it is also more attractive than any other color then is not it better that you also replace the color of orange to the color of red? It is only a suggestion from me and you are an expert team and you may have better planning for your colors and design.

Quoted for future reference, just in case dao-casino offer the same bonus in the future. Who knows? If dao-casino offer the same bonus then can we say that dao-casino as scammer.

Actually, we are pretty happy with Oshi site's design. It all looks great, it's fast, simple. Speaking for myself, it's the best from all casinos I have seen recently. About your suggestion - red color is maybe even too strong eye-catcher so it could be less comfortable for you, just as for others. Anyway, thanks for it! It's always good to hear what real users come with and listen to them. If you want, we will be also glad, if you post a review and your overal thoughts on Oshi - here or on any reviews site ;)
Cheers and play safe!
Yours OshiHugo

I really liked the site's design, but I'm kind suspicious to set an opinion here since I like a lot japanese stuff and designs, I just love japanese material.

The black colour in the background is really comfortable to see, also the menu is well organized, making trasitions in the site an easy task, good job.

First thing, this is a good method for people to attract people coming to their site so I do not think that it is really that bad. The second thing, you are wrong on this because they do not scam you guys, for example they just manipulate some ToS that will confuse you so by some little mistake they will somehow confiscated your money

How does Antillephone N.V. regulate Direx N.V.?

Do they regulate Direx N.V. the same way like they regulated the Full Flush Poker scam who embezzled over $1 million?

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It is also not changing terms and conditions but their wagering requirements will be quite high and most of the users will lose their deposit before meeting those requirements. If you choose to play on a trusted sites then they will not cheat you. All these bonus terms we should read carefully before depositing money.

Well, I couldn't agree more. There are tons of casinos with extreme wagering requirements and complicated T&C with many catches.

Luckily for you, Oshi.io Casino, as a well-known and trusted site, isn't one of those. Our standard wagering requirement is x40, which is kinda usual. And if you don't like these bonuses, you don't have to take them.
We are completely honest with you all - so our T&C for bonuses go in both legal and plain English. So not only that they are clear, they are also understandable for everyone. If you like, you can find them here (https://oshi.io/bonuses/tcs).
Pretty fair, right?

Cheers,
Yours OshiHugo

But your statement that Direx N.V. is licensed and regulated by Antillephone N.V. is a blatant!

In addition, you avoid to answer my questions! But if you are such a honest and trusted casino as you claim, why not answer my questions?

In general, do you think that casinos with a fake license are trustworthy?

Disclosure: I am founder and CEO of Oshi

I presume these are the questions you wanted answers on?

Question: Do they regulate Direx N.V. the same way like they regulated the Full Flush Poker scam who embezzled over $1 million?

Answer: I'm not going to give a simple answer because that wouldn't give the question justice... So please bear with me.
Crypto currency casinos by the nature allow for a degree of anonymity. If a casino is licensed in the UK or Malta for example there are stringent know your customer regulations that the operator must adhere to. If a player wants to be anonymous, then they should never register with a casino from a regulated jurisdiction such as the UK.
Curaçao is known for being a laissez-faire regulator. In other words they do get involved in player arbitration but the whole they keep a low profile. They do not have a substantial tax take as the more regulated jurisdictions do and so they put in a commensurate amount of effort to monitor brands using their licence.

In short that's why most crypto currency casinos are in fact on Curaçao licences. I.e. Curaçao are comfortable with the ambiguity of crypto casino. When/if Malta enacts more progressive legislation around crypto casino operators, you will see many of these brands migrate to Maltese licences. When that happens, who knows.

Therefore when you evaluate any crypto casino, you should do it through crowd sourced opinion. This is one of the reasons forums is like this, along with ask gamblers and a few other affiliate's who have decent bodies of crowd sourced opinion, are so important in this ecosystem. Through crowd sourced opinion, you can pretty balanced view of any operator.

As far as it goes with embezzlement and so on (referring to the poker case) , my advice is always; don't leave too much money in any casino account.

Question: (I'm paraphrasing this based on various questions on this thread around terms and conditions) why do casinos have predatory terms and conditions that no one reads or understands?

Answer simply its risk avoidance. Believe it not, any casino operator or any other operator is not really seen as a service provider, more as an adversary. In other words if you win, you win from the house. Also operators giveaway bonuses and bonuses are open to abuse. As an adversary, rather than a loved provider operators get a huge amount of bonus abuse which is why bonus terms and conditions are so onerous.
The exceptions are models like exchange betting and crypto dice games..

If operators are relatively unscrupulous, they let people fall into a trap, operators allow people to burn their cash and they want to cash out winnings, they cite terms and conditions. Think of the insurance sector, and labyrinthine terms and conditions

I don't like that kind of behaviour and that's why I spent a lot of money on reviewing our terms and conditions to make them as watertight, fair and understandable as possible. Obviously we have legal English which is critical, because allows us to concisely map out any given situation but, we also have plain English versions of each term or condition that make it much easier for people to understand what you're actually saying.

For example https://oshi.io/help/tcs (https://oshi.io/help/tcs) and https://oshi.io/bonuses/tcs (https://oshi.io/bonuses/tcs)

example: Cashout fees and taxes are your responsibility.
4.0 (Plain English) If you win money on this Website and you cash it out, it is up to you to pay all fees and taxes within your own country.
4.0 (Legal English) The player is fully responsible for paying all fees and taxes applied to their winnings according to the laws of the jurisdiction of player's residence.


Money laundering and know your customer
I may have talked about this before, but it's worth repeating in any case. As a crypto casino, we want people to enjoy anonymity but we have to respect money-laundering legislation. That means when there are either big transactions coming in or big cash outs being generated and they trigger a 'flag' generated by our algorithms, we have to do a 'know your customer' check. If we find somebody is from a jurisdiction we cannot accept customers from, we will always return their deposit and withhold winnings. I don't know whether other brands will always return deposits or not, but we do.

The whole 'anti-money laundering/pseudo-anonymity/crypto) situation is a bit grey and I don't like it but it is the nature of crypto casino and we do our best to respect the law, along with any licensing obligations we are asked to meet.

I hope that helps and clears up any questions. I will be hanging out here bit more so please ask away and I will do my best to answer every question in my usual straightforward way.

Nick

This is the worst Bitcoin casino ever.

I made a deposit of 0.23 BTC that I lose in slots.

Then few hours later I made a deposit of 0.297 BTC and I was able to recover my loses and have a final balance of 0.55 BTC

When I tried to withdraw, all where problems, first they asked for my ID, then they canceled the cashout. I contacted support, and the answer is that I am not able to play because of my nationality. So they tell me that they give me back my last deposit only (0.297 BTC).

This doesn't make any sense! If I am not able to play, they should refund my all my deposits (0.23 + 0.297). Even including the 0.15 BTC that I deposited and lost one year ago! Why they only return the last deposit?


Stay away from this scam!

Nick Garner here (founder and CEO of Oshi)

I just want to reply to this accusation because the touches on some quite serious issues which we have to deal with on a daily basis.

If you've read any of my other posts, you'll notice a familiar theme which is around know your customer, gambling legislation and the pseudo-anonymity you get from Bitcoin gambling.

Repeating myself unfortunately, as you will know with Bitcoin, we will never know the true identity behind a transaction unless we go through some kind of know your customer process. Because of our license with Curacao we are able to accept customers paying with Bitcoin and more importantly for you, we don't have to go through an automatic verification process as we do with Fiat currencies. In turn this means individuals from territories who we cannot accept, can gamble on our website using Bitcoin without our knowledge.

As long as withdrawals are below a certain threshold as outlined by anti-money laundering legislation, typically somewhere around $1500 and above  - and... There's nothing suspicious about their account, these people could carry on gambling on Oshi indefinitely

In this case we've got somebody from Spain, a jurisdiction we don't accept customers from and because of our suspicions, we decided to verify this person. It turns out they cannot play on our casino.

Within our terms and conditions we have every right to just confiscate all winnings and withhold all deposits, a typical position taken by the vast majority of other Bitcoin casinos.

However, I don't like aggressive predatory behaviour and if we find somebody is from a banned jurisdiction, our typical approach is to withhold winnings and return the most recent deposit they placed . Reiterating, we don't have to do this, but it seems like a reasonable way to behave as an operator.

On the question of why we wouldn't return all deposits to customer, it's because we don't know if they're from a banned jurisdiction or not until we verify them. So therefore we assume we will pay if they win. In other words every deposit made represents a binding commitment to pay out unless terms and conditions are broken. In other words we transact with the customer in good faith, therefore why would we return all deposits from all-time?

Also worth saying that I suspect customers from banned jurisdictions probably know they can't gamble on sites like ours, but they do because they want to gamble and for them Oshi is a good choice. By returning their previous deposit, were saying we give them the benefit of the doubt and we want to close this relationship on the most positive basis we can.

I hope that all makes sense.

Nick

It is just some fake websites which is called scamming which is basically made for hacking purposes so we should avoid these types of websites because it is all about trust if you ever got dump by fake website then please do not blame bitcoin currency bitcoin is trusted and there a lot of websites which is also trusted so you can get review the every website on internet.

Actually, Oshi.io casino is one of those trusted sites. I believe that Nick answered all the questions.

@ OshiNick

I simply want to know how Antillephone N.V. regulates Direx N.V., but you did not answer specifically.

Laisssez-faire = let you do what you want

-> does not sound like regulation!


I have never heard that Antillephone N.V. was involved in a player arbitration! Can you give an example?


Antillephone N.V. does not control anything in regards to account balances or money transfers?

-> does not sound like regulation

Your answers show that Antillephone N.V. does not regulate Direx N.V. anyhow, while it is stated on your website that you are regulated by Antillephone N.V.!

This is the criminal offense of Fraud by false representation (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/35/pdfs/ukpga_20060035_en.pdf)!

Almost same here, today i've made deposit 0.0504 BTC lose in slot game then i made second deposit with 0.0503 BTC  and i can recover my lose. Then i'll made withdrawal 0.2 BTC, but an email coming ask to upload my ID, i wont do it because its only 0.2 BTC should not big amount for big site like oshi (although its big for me) and im playing this with bitcoin because bitcoin is anonymous.
Ive chatting with support team but their answer i must do that. until now my withdrawal still pending and i dont know will processed or not ( i hope it will, i'll update this post if my withdrawal processed)

Just suggestion, to ask ID should only happen for withdrawal with big amount like 10BTC or more and many small player like me will enjoy playing in this site.

This is kinda annoying, being asked to verify personal ID just for 0.2btc is not acceptable in this bitcoin gambling industry. They says :


It is clear that your withdrawal is below $1500, so you should not be asked for ID verification unless they say that there is something suspicious with your account. Did they tell you the reason why they ask your ID?

So, it is confirming that it is not just one case! I recommend everybody not to play on this casino. There are many well managed gaming websites out there.

No, they didnt tell me everything why i must do that. Try to contact support but i get same answer must follow the instruction in email. And also they ask me to upload utility bills for the last six months to verify my account, i dont know why thats needed.

I'm not sure why there's so much hate and ridiculous speculation, but here are the facts.

Firstly, statements like this are nonsense: "This is the criminal offense of  Fraud by false representation (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/35/pdfs/ukpga_20060035_en.pdf)".
Were not licensed in the UK, we don't accept UK customers and any UKGC law is irrelevant us as a consequence.

Here's some information on Curaçao as a licensing jurisdiction: https://calvinayre.com/regulators/curacao/ (https://calvinayre.com/regulators/curacao/)

We are a white label casino on the SoftSwiss network. All these casinos share the same underlying transactional platform as we do. The only main difference between us and the rest of them is that we have our own unique front end. Here's a list: https://www.askgamblers.com/software/softswiss/ (https://www.askgamblers.com/software/softswiss/) and yes, you will see brands like Bitstarz and mBit.

All of these brands will say something similar to this: Oshi.io is owned and operated by Direx N.V., a company registered and established under the laws of Curacao and its wholly owned subsidiary, Direx Limited, registered address Stasinou 1, MITSI Building 1, 1st Floor, Flat/Office 4, Plateia Eleftherias, Nicosia, Cyprus. Direx N.V. is licensed and regulated by Antillephone N.V. Direx N.V.’s registration number is 131879 and its registered address is Wilhelminalaan 13, Willemstad, Curaçao.

Direx is the vehicle by which all of these casinos are registered and officially owned. If you're not familiar with white label casinos, the way it works is you have a single entity that handles the licensing and depending on corporate structures et cetera different entities will handle different parts of the infrastructure i.e. software development and so on.

Because of the legal structure, officially we are owned by Direx, but as a white label provider we have autonomy on things like marketing, design and user experience.

And that's it. There's nothing exciting here.

I'm not sure what happened there, but I will look into this and find out what's going on. This isn't a big withdrawal so I'm not sure why we would have asked for verification.

Yes, I will look into this and find out what's going on

There is one support agent who request ID on anything, while others process without asking for ID.
I was asked for ID on almost all withdrawals by the same agent while other agent say to cancel and request withdrawal again and it will be processed within few minutes.

For readers: I am founder and CEO of Oshi.
I'm not happy about these inconsistencies and I will be doing a complete review of cashout processes and various inconsistencies first thing next week. My view: people gamble at a casino because they trust it. If we are inconsistent, then how can people trust us? That's why I want to sort all of this out.

Good that you are going to sort it out, if what is being said by joksim is true then you should do something to him (your support agent). At least tell him not to ask for ID on anything, if he still do it after you tell him so you need to replace him with someone else who have better competencies.

Just stay calm! They are asking for it to make sure it’s you. You know too much fraud now a day. I don’t think so you should hesitate to send them bills. But last 6 months bills should not be demanded.  Couples of utility bills are sufficient to prove you identity. I hope soon your issue gets sorted out.

You are right. It's basically all about protecting customers and doing everything within the law (none of us wants to support terrorists or any other criminals).

After receipt of identification documents, do you compare the name with an existing list of terrorists or do you have to send requests to Interpol each time?

I meant this like that we follow standard steps against money laundry and other illegal activities whcih can in the end endanger other people.   
Exact procedures know only a limited number of people to achieve the greatest security and privacy of our users.

AML laws require to check the identity for amounts above $10,000 and prior to a deposit.

And this confirms that you do not follow AML laws or try to prevent illegal activities!

Your behaviour strongly indicates that you act for your own financial benefit.

As far as the anti-money-laundering limits go, a lot of it has to do with the industry you are in. For example when I worked at Betfair and subsequently Unibet, there was a constant emphasis on meeting obligations around anti-money-laundering legislation.

Obviously gambling is seen as a high-risk area area for money-laundering, especially Oshi, being a Cryptocurrency casino.

As I understand it there is no single rule about transaction size. I think it's more to do with perceived risk of money laundering happening. And bear in mind that if we or other casinos like us are investigated by one authority or another, it's because they believe they have sufficient reason to do so. I don't want this kind of investigation and therefore we are thorough about 'know your customer'.

And does it make us money if we 'know our customer'? No it doesn't. Why? Because we don't seek customers from jurisdictions were not licensed for and so:
a. It's unusual for us to find customers from jurisdictions we can't serve
b. Following on, we rarely end up withholding winnings from these people, because they're rare in the first place.

You follow the AML laws of which country? Can you please quote those laws?

Authorities never ever controlled any gambling shell company in Curacao, so you must refer to another jurisdiction?

You never control anything if customer lost and will not give anything back in such cases, but control and confiscate balances if customer won.

This behaviour obviously brings you a financial advantage and a disadvantage for your customers!

There's quite a lot to cover here, but as a preface for anyone reading...
Who is behind this question
'game-protect' runs this website https://game-protect.com/ (https://game-protect.com/) he offers a mediation service to gamblers who have issues with given providers.
I'm not that clear on what kind of authority they have in any dispute. Generally with mediation services, a licensing authority would issue a licence to mediate on the behalf of a customer when sorting out issues with operators. This is a good example https://poggwebmasters.com/ (https://poggwebmasters.com/)

Anyhow to answer his questions:
"You follow the AML laws of which country? Can you please quote those laws?" AML= anti-money laundering laws

legals and white label
it's important you (the reader) understands a few things before I answer this question. I am on a white label network that is run by SoftSwiss. If you don't know about white label networks, essentially there is a corporate entity that takes care of game integration, licensing, transactions and to some degree customer services. I have a casino brand that sits on top of the SoftSwiss platform.

Because the licence and transactions are managed by SoftSwiss, it means legally they are ultimately liable for prosecution in the event of a particular government invoking anti-money laundering laws against Oshi, or any other SoftSwiss casino.

Anti-money laundering law
Because this business is global in the true sense i.e. it's a Cryptocurrency casino and Bitcoin is borderless, it's misleading to suggest we work with specific anti-money laundering legislation for specific countries. In this situation we typically reference the United States and their guidelines of roughly $3000 per transaction before a 'know your customer' check is done. Because of our sensitive situation i.e. it's Cryptocurrency, we typically have a slightly lower KYC limit of around $2000 if we see some suspicious indicators, such as the site being accessed from a jurisdiction we cannot accept customers from.

So the KYC limits are not rigid, or tied in with specific territories, they are a pragmatic approach to a problem that could cause us a lot of trouble.

ref: "You never control anything if customer lost and will not give anything back in such cases, but control and confiscate balances if customer won. This behaviour obviously brings you a financial advantage and a disadvantage for your customers!"

I'm not quite clear on what's being said here. I think he's saying that if a customer loses, we don't do KYC , nor do we return losses. And if they win, we see if they have broken terms and conditions and confiscate their funds if they have.

Money-laundering
Bear in mind, KYC applies to transaction size and the flow of money. Money laundering is simply the running through of money via a third party in order to hide the provenance of the money. I.e. the true source of funds.
If money is deposited and remains with us, that is not money-laundering because we are accountable for the deposits been given to us. 

Retaining customer losses
In respect to us keeping customer losses, of course we do. That's because every individual who gambles with us enters a contract which we clearly show on Oshi. In very simple terms, the contract says: I want to gamble, if I win you pay if I lose you keep the funds.

We constantly have people attempting game us, whether it's bonus abuse or attempting to use bots or double spend Bitcoin transactions. If we find people haven't kept to the terms and conditions they've agreed to by using the site, then we have a right to confiscate winnings or in many cases close active accounts, even if they're profitable to us.

If you look at our terms and conditions we've made a huge effort to make them easy to understand. Why? Because we want Oshi to be straightforward. Where we have terminology that is difficult to understand, we always have the same information in plain English. https://oshi.io/bonuses/tcs (https://oshi.io/bonuses/tcs)

House edge
People forget that our house edge is on average only 3% and we typically give away more than half of that 3% margin in bonuses. We are one of the most generous casinos on bonusing in the marketplace. That 1.5% margin is eaten up by game provider fees and business overheads, which give us an actual profit margin of less than .5% - and this is a fairly normal margin breakdown.

Responsible gambling
As far as customers losing huge amounts of money... The big question is always whether they can afford to lose that money. If customers can't afford to lose this amount of cash, they are problem gamblers.

If we see somebody losing large sums of money, we will ask what's going on because we don't want people destroying their lives through gambling. If they are problem gamblers, we will obviously ask them to set limits or close their account. The reason we do this is because I want Oshi to be honourable in the way we conduct business.

By the way...
I hope that answers the questions and do check out https://game-protect.com/bitcoin-gambling/ (https://game-protect.com/bitcoin-gambling/)

Very extensive response, so I will split my answer:

If a gambling operator wants to join our mediation service, he has to state a Game Protect badge on his website and donate Bitcoin worth $50 per month. In case of a dispute, we currently ask for Bitcoin worth €15 per hour.

It is necessary to ask for a compensation, because unlike The Pogg or Casinomeister we can not use the affiliate commissions we receive to compensate this service, because the affiliate commissions are used to compensate the time, investigation and legal expenses costs for Game Protect qualified account issues.

As The Pogg or Casinomeister do not enforce claims thru legal action, they can simply use the affiliate commissions to compensate their time spent for the mediation service.

How does the mediation service work?

The one who claims something, either a player or the operator, has to deliver proof of his claim. In case of the operator, he has to forward the server logs in regards to the disputed account.

After assessment of the proof and conversation with the claimant and defendant, I will publicise my findings. My findings are not binding.

If you take a look at the accusations and issues daily posted on the forums, you will see that the players claim this and the operators claim that, but the operator can not post the server logs and the player usually do not want to publicise his sensitive data. The Mediation service solves this issue.

Let me refer to the 21.5 BTC TAKEN BY SPORTSBET.IO (https://game-protect.com/sportsbet-bitcasino-io/) case. Even though I have no proof seen, but considering the behaviour of the player and the high amount involved, I think he tried to defraud sportsbet. Sportsbet finally sent his 15 BTC deposit back, so the mediation service could have potentially saved 15 BTC = currently $60,000 for sportsbet.


I was not able to find any license at The Pogg or Casinomeister, can you please refer me to it?

Casinomeister is not a UKGC licensed arbitrator, but they are certified by the chartered Institute of arbitrators: this post explains everything https://www.casinomeister.com/player-arbitration-pab/ (https://www.casinomeister.com/player-arbitration-pab/)

Thepogg is a UKGC Accredited Alternative Dispute Resolution Service https://thepogg.com/ukgc-accredited-alternative-dispute-resolution-service/ (https://thepogg.com/ukgc-accredited-alternative-dispute-resolution-service/)
and interestingly askgamblers have applied for accreditation, but I don't know if they've got it yet ref https://www.askgamblers.com/gambling-news/industry/askgamblers-to-be-the-alternative-dispute-resolution-provider/ (https://www.askgamblers.com/gambling-news/industry/askgamblers-to-be-the-alternative-dispute-resolution-provider/)

For Oshi, we use AskGamblers as our primary dispute resolution service. The reason we do that is partly by circumstance.
AskGamblers rank very highly on Oshi key phrases on Google, so they ended up with the largest number of player reviews of any affiliate. Since they already had an active arbitration service  it made sense to ask people (as a last resort) to issue their complaints to askgamblers.

Askgamblers is one of the main places people go to check us out. So there is a great motivation to sort out issues that end up on askgamblers.

The same applies here i.e. if somebody is unhappy, they will use this arena to vent their frustrations. So if you read through some of the old threads, you'll see how we've dealt with difficult customer issues.

With https://game-protect.com/ , it's great to see other people getting into this arena. IMHO it's a healthy to keep operators in check.

Unfortunately I'm spending a little too much time going over the same stuff...

Reiterating my main points:
- Anti-money laundering legislation varies from country to country, so because of the pseudo-anonymity of Bitcoin, we can't say which country a customer comes from until they have been verified. Therefore we set a limit of around $2000 or equivalent before we verify people.
- If we have suspicions about a customer, we can verify them
- We are on the SoftSwiss network and these verification limits are pretty typical for most casinos on the network (I'm going to go into the legal structure for SoftSwiss later in this post)

Answering these questions:

Question: Because the licence and transactions are managed by SoftSwiss, it means legally they are ultimately liable for prosecution in the event of a particular government invoking anti-money laundering laws against Oshi, or any other SoftSwiss casino. SoftSwiss is a trade name and as trade names can not sign contracts, you must have signed a contract with a legal entity = company that usually ends with N.V. or B.V. in Curacao. What is the name of the company you signed a contract with or do they really state SoftSwiss as contract partner?
Answer you are mixing up to very different areas: gambling legislation and anti-money laundering legislation.
AML legislation is criminal legislation and any country territory that wishes to issue a prosecution against a defendant and their cohort could do so. In other words if a casino such as ours was actively involved in money laundering, any individual associated with the crime could be prosecuted.

In the context of gambling legislation Direx N.V. is the licence holder and therefore the legal entity responsible for maintaining the licence conditions set by Curaçao. The main licence holder will then issue sub-licences to white label partners. The issue of primary licence and sub- licences happens with many licensing jurisdictions such as UKGC  (UK gambling council ).

Question: Have you seen the license of this corporate entity?
Answer here's a link to the licence showing Direx.NV as a licence holder http://www.gaminglicences.com/pages/validate.php?lid=8048-S1908799 (http://www.gaminglicences.com/pages/validate.php?lid=8048-S1908799)

Question:   How much do they charge per month to let you operate under their license?
Answer in return for being able to use the licence, the game integration, transactional management, backend software (we use our own software for the front-end and we do most of the customer services ourselves) , we pay a percentage of our gross revenue. It's exactly the same for every white label casino.

Question: Please quote the Curacao anti money laundering laws? I have $10,000 in mind that requires you to check the identity.
Answer I don't know what the Curaçao anti money laundering laws are, because it's not relevant to me/Oshi. As I've mentioned before on a few occasions in posts here, we don't reference any specific country , because were dealing with Bitcoin and we don't know the country origins of users, therefore how can we apply anti-money laundering legislation from any given country territory to our customers? That's why we work to a general figure of $2000.

Question: So the corporate entity you work under is liable for eveything you do?
Answer no. Reiterating:

- gambling legislation:  this is exactly the case , however there is an onus on operators to work with the licence holder to make sure all legal obligations are met. If they aren't, for example knowingly accepting customers from  banned jurisdictions , the primary licence holder will end up in trouble with either regulatory bodies or game providers, or both… So there is a constant pressure from the licence holder to make sure we work with in our licence obligations.

- Anti-money laundering legislation: anyone involved anywhere is liable for prosecution if a country territory prosecutor believes there is a case against somebody.

Question: But you are also liable for what you do, right? Hence, this white label construction creates a lot of people who are liable for what you do.
Answer firstly, I don't really understand this question but I'll have a go at answering it. I think the question is something to do with me i.e. founder and CEO of Oshi being liable for infractions on anti-money legislation. Bear in mind this is different from licensing legislation. I am not legally liable for licensing legislation infractions. However anti-money laundering legislation is tied in with criminal legislation and therefore if a country prosecutor thought we were actively participating in money laundering, they could go after me personally.

Summing up
It's good to get all of this stuff out in the open, but bear in mind this is all public information and had 'game protect' done any research, he would have found this information within a few minutes.
Unfortunately 'game protect ' has muddled up two areas:  gambling licensing versus criminal legislation: anti-money laundering law.

About Curaçao licences

Curaçao is known for a lack of player protection. However, it is one of the few country jurisdictions that is okay with operators transacting in Bitcoin. By implication this means less stringent criteria for doing ID checks. For example any customer who deposits Fiat money in Oshi will automatically have a 'know your customer' check. This isn't the case with Bitcoin customers. (Good summary of cursor licensing here: https://calvinayre.com/regulators/curacao/ (https://calvinayre.com/regulators/curacao/) )

Ultimately as a reader, you make your choice about which Bitcoin casino to use based on their reputation and trustworthiness. In other words, if they check out well and it's clear they pay out promptly, and aren't too argumentative with customers, then you can trust them.

Yes, it is time-consuming because you make vague and false statements!

1) Direx N.V. is incorporated in Curacao and therefore only those laws are relevant for Oshi casino!

Therefore, verifying depositors if the value of their deposit exceeds $2,000 is your personal despotism and not anyhow required by laws or authorities as you tried to explain us several times!

2) If you have what kind of suspicion?

If you did not check the identity of a depositor and did not compare his name with the list from Interpol and the value of his deposit did not exceed $2,500, how can you have a suspicion in regards to the deposits made?

3) O.k., so you do your arbitrary review not because you are obliged by Curacao laws or authorities, but because these verification limits are pretty typical for SoftSwiss.

In this case the solution is very simple: Avoid casinos on the SoftSwiss/Direx N.V. network.


No, I do not mix up gambling legislation and anti money laundering legislation!

Opposed to your false statement, both are criminal legislation, because when you operate without a valid license then you commit several criminal offenses.

In such cases you alse breached AML laws because you laundered illegal collected money from players.

Do you know the license conditions set by Curacao?

You say the main license holder (Direx N.V.) will then issue sub-licenses to white label partners, but Direx N.V. itself is a sub-license holder from Antillephone N.V. and not a main license holder!


The Antillephone N.V. License Validation page claims that Direx N.V. operates under the 8048/JAZ license issued to Antillephone N.V., but I asked if you have seen the physical license contract between Antillephone N.V. and Direx N.V.?

In addition, have you seen the physical license contract between the Government of Curacao and Antillephone N.V.?

I ask this because if Antillephone N.V. is not authorised to issue sub-licenses, then Direx N.V. has no valid license and then oshi.io also has no valid license!

The physical license contract is also very important, because it contains the conditions under which the licensee is allowed to legally operate.

Hence, if I want to operate an online casino legally, this is the first thing I want to see?


Oh yes, as you operate out of Curacao those laws are very well relevant for you!

Simple, you are not obliged to apply anti money laundering laws from any given country territory.

You are only obliged to fulfil the AML laws of the country where oshi.io is incorporated = Curacao and therefore the origin of the deposit is irrelevant.

You take deposits from several countries where it is not allowed by local legislation and this confirms that you do not care about the laws of those countries.

Yes it is interesting you can play free of cost you don't need a decisions or self thinking open your heart and come on to play. Because don't waste your time it is an opportunity.

I am not really fond of this site. I guess it's not my type.

I doubt you even have an account at oshi!

Just to let you all know,

We've launched a VIP program which is based on deposit size and turnover. Depending on which VIP tier you are on, that will determine how much cashback you get.

For more check here :-)

https://oshi.io/vip (https://oshi.io/vip)

As you operate illegal without a valid license, all your customers have 100% cashback, because illegal gambling sites are not allowed to take deposits!  :D

It's been a while...

Last time I posted here, I said that I would do an investigation into inconsistent cash out times. In general I'm happy to say we've had a large number of process improvements, along with team reorganisation which is meant that those people working with Oshi know what they're doing.

Upshot is that number of support issues around cash at times have drop massively. Of course, support issues around cash at times will never go away, but it's much better than before. I'm also seeing a big uplift in new players and with players sticking around... I guess that's also a good sign.

Just some other updates on Oshi. The 'build your bonus' feature is working well and we did some research on the number of games we've now got...

For Bitcoin, we have 904 games
Approximate number of games by provider in BTC:
Endorphina: 46
Amatic: 60
Softswiss: 41
Quickfire: 0
Ezugi: 15
Netent: 0
iSoftbet: 159
BSG: 211
Habanero: 122
MrSlotty: 43
Pragmatic: 59
Booming: 46
Belatra: 18
EGT: 0
Thunderkick: 0
Nextgen: 0
Amaya: 0
Ainsworth: 0
ELK: 0
Spinomenal: 85
Yggdrasil: 0

Anyhow, if you got any questions or are interested in Oshi, let me know and I will see if I can set up a unique bonus just for Bitcoin talk...

Welcome back after long inactivity which is not really good for your site if you ask me. Good to know that there are some improvements although I do not really sure what improvements are they? Will check it later to see what is new at oshi.
Looking at the number of the games in BTC, seems that it is one of the improvements (adding more new games) as I did not see some of them last time I visited your site.
One important thing, will you keep being active here or you will go for long time again as what you did?

Here I am! And I'm looking forward to re-engaging in whatever way I can.

As far as new stuff on Oshi goes, it's all been incremental i.e. in the last six months we've had five or six new game providers, along with a few hundred new games. The other big improvements have been on the backend. Being a crypto casino, we've had this ongoing issue with denial of service attacks and so on. We've strengthened our systems on that front and were doing another code re-factoring project so we can Max out on our game library.

To give you some context on the scale of our game library... For every game, there is a unique game instance per currency. So if there is a game i.e. 'fruit Zen' , they will be eight instances of that game i.e. one per currency. And sometimes there will also be a mobile only instance of a game (something that Netent do occasionally) . Upshot: we have 25776 unique game instances on our system.

At the moment were holding back a few new game providers, just because we don't want to overload the system too much and keep page speed high. Anyhow that should be done fairly shortly.

Some of the critical categorisation got a bit messy, so we did a big project to tidy that up i.e. re-categorising 25,000 games. We still have to update some video thumbnails (mouse over a game and a six second video plays) and some of the more granular categorisation needs updating.

Overall, if I were to describe Oshi's story over the last six months I would say it was good, then bad, then good. The bad patch was when Bitcoin transaction costs were way too high and it affected a lot of the smaller players. Now that transaction costs are sensible again, we've seen a huge influx of smaller players, so it's reassuring the people like Oshi.

Whatever you do, you are still on the Curacao licensing scam operators (https://game-protect.com/curacao-licensing-scam/) list!

I was wondering when you would resurface.

I assume I will be on your stalker list for piping up but I think you are very black and white with your blanket assumption that holding an X or Y Curacao sub-license immediately touts that company as a “scam”. You have named HUGE and reputable brands on your site with little actual research going on. You’ve just lumped everyone together. For example Rizk.com is about as reputable as gaming sites could get. It is a brand under the Maltese licensed GIG company which is on the Swedish stock exchange. I think it’s right to have a devils advocate sitting on the fence, as I agree, there are scams and shoddiness galore regarding crypto but I would suggest you need to analyse each brand on a case by case basis. Curacao is necessity for getting licensed for certain casino providers. Curacao it’s self should do MUCH more to ensure brands are adhering to their regulations but sometimes to operate in grey markets Curacao is the only choice for many brands. You’ve even named bet365 in you’re list so how can people take it seriously?

Game Protect informs about Curacao licensing scam operators. Licensing scam means that there is no licensing or gaming authority and that the sub-license has no legal basis! In case of a dispute, the victim has to enforce his claim through legal channels and can not expect any help from the licensor.

Game Protect does not say that Curacao licensing scam operators are also automatically customer scam operators. For the publicly proven scams and risky operators we have a separate Warnings list! (http://game-protect.com/online-gambling-scams/) Rizk.com and bet365 is not on it.

thanks for weighing in on this Easternbloc and thank you for your well thought out and constructive comments.

As ever game protect does is best to be provocative without actually using concise language.
The definition for a scam is "an illegal plan for making money, especially one that involves tricking people"

So where is the 'scam' part of a Curaçao licence? The reality is there is none. A government has issued a gambling licence. They are very transparent about the scope of the license:
- https://www.curacao-egaming.com/#page_id-5
- https://calvinayre.com/regulators/curacao/

It's ironic that Easterm block says "I assume I will be on your stalker list" , because I feel like I've been on that stalker list for a while.

I notice that game protect has:
Trust: -16: -4 / +0
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

Which says a lot. For what it's worth I've reported this person to the moderators several times and disappointingly the moderators haven't removed this unhelpful person from these forums.

For anyone reading, Curaçao licences are relatively ineffective when it comes to customer arbitration. However, it's forums like this and sites with arbitration services like latest casino bonuses or AskGamblers that do a great job of guiding customers away from rogue casinos.

There's one other thing to bear in mind with rogue casinos... It costs a lot of money to acquire customers. Since the cost of acquiring a customer so high, operators have to factor in good retention i.e. customers sticking around over a long period of time.

A rogue casino will work in a very short-term way, withholding funds and pressing customers into gambling more than they might want. Upshot: customers become unhappy, they leave and they put out bad reviews about that brand. The rogue casino gets put on 'rogue lists' , has bad reviews and players avoid that brand, pushing up the cost of acquisition and ultimately making the operator bankrupt because it can't get customers in for the right money.

So yes, it would be better if Curaçao had a more invasive policy around player welfare, but the Internet does a good job of steering customers to legitimate operators who do care about their customers.

Ultimately all of this leads back to a simple thing: do your research on forums like this.

Brain washer Oshi on the road again?

False and misleading claiming to operate under the license issued to a foreign company is the scam part!


Yes, to Antillephone N.V., but neither to Direx N.V. nor to Oshi.io!


Wait, the anonymous website curacao-egaming state nonsense is very transparent?


What does it mean trust -16?

Why does it say trade with extreme caution? What will happen if you trade with Game Protect? Whatever this means, because Game Protect does not trade!


Please post the a lot here, because I can not follow it?


Do you think your brain wash theories are more helpful for this forum than consumer protection service?

What did you report about Game Protect?


If casino bonuses and gamblers do such a great job, why is Game Protect habitually flooded with scam reports about Curacao based casinos?


The license fees are high and the customer acquiring costs are also high and these circumstances force many casinos to scam its customers either hidden or obviously!
 

Do you want to say a 'rogue list' is all we need to prevent scams?


Can not follow you here as there are still countless of scam reports!


Totally agree and several casinos operating under Direx N.V. already scammed its customers!

And finally, if you decide to play at a Curacao based casino, simply register your accounts with Game Protect. Because in such cases legal action to enforce your claim is cost free inclusive. But when you register directly, you have to spend your money and time if you want to enforce your claim!

I don't particularly want to spend an hour replying to this misleading post. But, I will add some comments.

Most importantly, this person propagates misinformation in order to attract attention and draw users to his website. He claims to be some kind of arbitration/truth giver, but time and time again when you analyse what this person is saying, it turns out to be a mixture of trolling and misguidance. For any reader who agrees with me, please report this person to the moderator.

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Game protect reply: Brain washer Oshi on the road again?

Nick: once again this person makes a misleading comment. Definition of a brain washer is "to make someone believe something by repeatedly telling them that it is true and preventing any other information from reaching them" which ironically is more suitable for Mr game protect.

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Nick original comment: As ever game protect does is best to be provocative without actually using concise language. The definition for a scam is "an illegal plan for making money, especially one that involves tricking people" So where is the 'scam' part of a Curaçao licence? The reality is there is none.

Game protect reply: False and misleading claiming to operate under the license issued to a foreign company is the scam part! Yes, to Antillephone N.V., but neither to Direx N.V. nor to Oshi.io! Wait, the anonymous website curacao-egaming state nonsense is very transparent?

Nick: this sentence doesn't make any sense. There's nothing false about offshore businesses. If you are aware of cross-border taxation, you'll know Google, Amazon, many other large businesses do the same thing where they use holding companies in order to optimise tax exposure. For example Google's main European offices are in Dublin occurs Ireland has 10% corporation tax, rather than the 19% the UK charge.

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Nick original comment : I notice that game protect has: Trust: -16: -4 / +0 Warning: Trade with extreme caution![/quote] What does it mean trust -16?

Game protect reply: Why does it say trade with extreme caution? What will happen if you trade with Game Protect? Whatever this means, because Game Protect does not trade!

Nick reply: this sentence once again doesn't make any sense. Game protect does trade through his affiliate website where he promotes various crypto operators. I'm happy to say he doesn't rank very well on Google, but is doing his best by running stories about 'scam' operators. If you know about SEO, you'll know that content that's controversial gets higher click through rates and therefore is more likely to rank

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Nick original comment For what it's worth I've reported this person to the moderators several times and disappointingly the moderators haven't removed this unhelpful person from these forums.[/quote]Do you think your brain wash theories are more helpful for this forum than consumer protection service?

Game protect reply: What did you report about Game Protect?

Nick reply: you are a Troll who makes vague and misleading accusations in order to get attention and thus traffic to your affiliate website. I've also said that you damage the reputation and trust in these forums because you are patiently misleading people. This forum would be better without you.

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Nick original comment:  For anyone reading, Curaçao licences are relatively ineffective when it comes to customer arbitration. However, it's forums like this and sites with arbitration services like latest casino bonuses or AskGamblers that do a great job of guiding customers away from rogue casinos.

Game protect reply: If casino bonuses and gamblers do such a great job, why is Game Protect habitually flooded with scam reports about Curacao based casinos?

Nick reply: I've read through your website and you're not 'habitually flooded' with scam reports. And I just want pause for a second and say that your use of English is inappropriate here. If something is habitual, it's because people make a habit of doing something. If something is flooded, it means it's overrun by something. You are not flooded by habit. And once again, you must use the term scam.
My main point: if you're trying to act like a lawyer, use English concisely.

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Nick original comment There's one other thing to bear in mind with rogue casinos... It costs a lot of money to acquire customers. Since the cost of acquiring a customer so high, operators have to factor in good retention i.e. customers sticking around over a long period of time.[/quote]The license fees are high and the customer acquiring costs are also high and these circumstances force many casinos to scam its customers either hidden or obviously!
 A rogue casino will work in a very short-term way, withholding funds and pressing customers into gambling more than they might want. Upshot: customers become unhappy, they leave and they put out bad reviews about that brand. The rogue casino gets put on 'rogue lists' , has bad reviews and players avoid that brand, pushing up the cost of acquisition and ultimately making the operator bankrupt because it can't get customers in for the right money

Game protect reply: Do you want to say a 'rogue list' is all we need to prevent scams?

Nick reply: once again this is a misleading reply that suggests I agree with the idea of a 'rogue list'. What I agree with are arbitration services managed by knowledgeable people who can make fair judgements. On looking at this persons website, I don't see any real evidence of a proper arbitration service. I just see a lot of self-promotion and misdirection.

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Nick original comment: So yes, it would be better if Curaçao had a more invasive policy around player welfare, but the Internet does a good job of steering customers to legitimate operators who do care about their customers.


Game protect reply:  Can not follow you here as there are still countless of scam reports!

Nick reply: once again, the sentence doesn't make any sense.

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Nick original comment: Ultimately all of this leads back to a simple thing: do your research on forums like this.

Game protect reply:  Totally agree and several casinos operating under Direx N.V. already scammed its customers!

Nick reply: I despair... This person is relentless and should not be allowed in these forums. This is a misleading comment that is poorly structured and intended to be misinformation. This person makes an accusation about
Direx N.V. Intentionally defrauding customers (the definition of a scam is intentional fraud) but as ever there are no specifics.

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Game protect reply:   And finally, if you decide to play at a Curacao based casino, simply register your accounts with Game Protect. Because in such cases legal action to enforce your claim is cost free inclusive. But when you register directly, you have to spend your money and time if you want to enforce your claim!

Nick reply: I challenge you to prove you actually take legal action against operators. I genuinely believe you are a scam, because nothing you say is validated. You're just trying to misinform and misdirect users to build trust in this brand of yours, so you can accrue affiliate revenue share/commissions. I'm very disappointed that the moderators have not barred you yet.

For anyone reading, you may think this back-and-forth is entertaining. But there will be readers who genuinely believe this person and will either make bad decisions because of it or end up disappointed.

Like I say, if people fall for this 'snake oil', Bitcointalk loses credibility. This is not 4chan.

If you are a good citizen of this forum please report 'game protect' to the moderator.

Thanks
Nick

Too much nonsense at once, so I will reply step by step:

Definition trading: The act or process of buying, selling, or exchanging commodities

As everyone can read on the Game Protect (https://game-protect.com) website, we neither buy nor sell nor exchange commodities.

But let us assume some members of the bitcointalk forum follow your brain wash theory, I still do not get why they should "trade" with extreme caution?

Because if they sign up with any Qualify free (https://game-protect.com/qualify-free/) operator, they are not at risk at all compared to signing up directly?

Can you please explain the risk part when signing up through Game Protect, while this includes consumer protection service?


I can not follow what you are saying here, but our scam articles are usually on the first page and within the first entries. So if everyone would simply put "casino + scam" into google prior to signing up, then a lot of damage could have been already avoided!

Examples: duckdice scam , pornhub casino scam , betcoin scam  

Game protect comment : Too much nonsense at once, so I will reply step by step:

Nick reply: if anyone reads my responses, they'll know I put time and effort into being concise and understandable. My responses are not nonsense.

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Nick original comment : I notice that game protect has: Trust: -16: -4 / +0 Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

Game Protect questions: What does it mean trust -16? Why does it say trade with extreme caution? What will happen if you trade with Game Protect? Whatever this means, because Game Protect does not trade!

Nick reply: by definition any business that has revenues is trading. Game protect is an affiliate. It uses affiliate tracking links like this one: https://record.bettingpartners.com/_N8fI1aTNMPCX6ocCAyheuWNd7ZgqdRLk/1/
anyone who registers via this person's website and loses money will generate revenue for this person. Game protect trades and makes money from customer losses.

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Nick reply: this sentence once again doesn't make any sense. Game protect does trade through his affiliate website where he promotes various crypto operators.[/quote]
Definition trading: The act or process of buying, selling, or exchanging commodities

Game protect reply: As everyone can read on the Game Protect (https://game-protect.com) website, we neither buy nor sell nor exchange commodities.

Nick reply: talking about commodities is misinformation and misdirection for the reader. You are an affiliate and you have a trading affiliate business.

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Game protect comment: But let us assume some members of the bitcointalk forum follow your brain wash theory, I still do not get why they should "trade" with extreme caution?
Nick reply: once again you do not use English correctly. You talk about a brain wash theory. By definition brainwashing is "to make someone believe something by repeatedly telling them that it is true and preventing any other information from reaching them" AND definition of theory is "a formal statement of the rules on which a subject of study is based or of ideas that are suggested to explain a fact or event or, more generally, an opinion or explanation"
So what you're asserting is that I forcibly and repeatedly tell readers what I'm saying is true in a way that is theoretical...?

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Game protect comment: Because if they sign up with any game-protect.com/qualify-free/  operator, they are not at risk at all compared to signing up directly?
Nick comment: you are an affiliate is in your interests to drive traffic and signups through your website so you can get revenue from customers that lose money. Based on my observations of your website, your information is so poorly put together, it is untrustworthy. In my view, trustworthy recommendations come forums like this where players have experienced certain brands and recommend them, or there are enough genuine reviews from players for the reader to feel confident about joining a particular brand. Your website does not have any of this.

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Game protect comment: Can you please explain the risk part when signing up through Game Protect, while this includes consumer protection service?
Nick comment: based on my review of your website, you don't have a structured arbitration service. Nor have you produced any evidence of any legal action against an operator. Until you demonstrate your legitimacy, you are no more than an untrustworthy affiliate hustling for business.

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Nick reply: I'm happy to say he doesn't rank very well on Google, but is doing his best by running stories about 'scam' operators. If you know about SEO, you'll know that content that's controversial gets higher click through rates and therefore is more likely to rank[/quote]

game protect comment: I can not follow what you are saying here, but our scam articles are usually on the first page and within the first entries. So if everyone would simply put "casino + scam" into google prior to signing up, then a lot of damage could have been already avoided! Examples: duckdice scam , pornhub casino scam , betcoin scam  

Nick reply: your affiliate marketing strategy is to put out misleading information about operators, so readers mistakenly trust you to join operators you suggest, generating revenue on their losses through your affiliate revenue share commission. When people read through your reviews, obvious they are unfounded and badly thought out.

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Once again, as a reader, you may find this amusing but remember this person trolls misdirects and misinforms for profit. If you are a good citizen of Bitcointalk and you want to protect others from this predator, please report 'game protect'.

thanks
Nick

How do you know that Game Protect is not regularly flooded with scam reports?

Are you too stupid to read in the comment sections here https://game-protect.com/curacao-license-scam/ and here https://game-protect.com/curacao-licensing-scam/ ?

Did you hack our email and web server and secretly installed an api that delivers the number of support tickets opened and emails received?

Who tries to act like a lawyer? Game Protect (https://game-protect.com/) surely not!

Game Protect is a platform that offers to Qualify free (https://game-protect.com/qualify-free/) or for a donation for consumer protection service, collects info and proof of scams and organizes legal action and inform about Online gaming scams (http://game-protect.com/online-gambling-scams/).

Nice brain wash story again, but the only thing Game Protect does not is to act like a lawyer! :D

This is surely one of the biggest brain wash shit you have stated so far!

Definition trading: The act or process of buying, selling, or exchanging commodities

The bitcointalk forum has a Trading Discussion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=8.0) thread to disprove your brain wash nonsense!

As everyone can see, they discuss about buying low and selling high to make a trade profit and do not speak about receiving affiliate commissions as a type of trading! :D

Stop trying to deceive readers. You are an affiliate and you make your money through customer losses.

You deny you make money from customer losses and you hang onto this whitewash about commodity trading?!!
You claim that the Curaçao licence is a scam and yet you have an affiliate relationship with FortuneJack, a Curaçao licensed operator! 

This is your affiliate link https://tracker-pm2.fortunejackpartners.com/link?btag=1671221_52382

So you're lying on these forums purely to generate profit from customer losses. That is shameful.

Anyhow, saddens me me that you have hijacked this forum thread for your own self-promotion. Sadly, your logic and English is so poor that you discredit yourself every time you post here.
I feel very sorry for you, because clearly you've exposed your hypocrisy and discredited yourself.

Once again, if you're a reader please report this person so they can be banned from these forums.

Nick original comment: You deny you make money from customer losses and you hang onto this whitewash about commodity trading?!!
Gameprotect reply : Where do I deny receiving affiliate commissions from customer losses?
Nick reply : Until I pointed this out, you did not make any mention of being an affiliate. You were prepared to conceal by omission.


Game protect reply :  No idea what whitewash about commodity trading means, but it is your brain wash theory that affiliate commissions are trading and not mine!
Nick reply: stop trying obfuscate and if you don't know what that means, consult a dictionary.  In respect to the definition of a trading company, I use this: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/corporation-tax-trading-and-non-trading

Nick original comment: You claim that the Curaçao licence is a scam and yet you have an affiliate relationship with FortuneJack, a Curaçao licensed operator! 
This is your affiliate link https://tracker-pm2.fortunejackpartners.com/link?btag=1671221_52382
So you're lying on these forums purely to generate profit from customer losses. That is shameful.

Game protect reply :  Yes, because the Curacao usage rights agreements have no legal basis and players will not receive any help if they will have an issue, I feel the necessity to offer FortuneJack with consumer protection service inclusive. ;)

Nick reply: You're saying that your online gaming consumer protection service somehow protects consumers. Where is your proof that you actually help consumers?
And on your website, you say there is no cost to an operator to register for this consumer protection service, so what are the qualifiers for an operator to register here?


Game protect reply :  Only a dumbass would play at your casino without any help whatsoever while he can play with consumer protection service inclusive!
If receiving affiliate commissions from losses is shameful, what is it to receive the losses from players as a casino operator?
Are you able to quote my lies?

Nick reply: as a casino operator trade as a business because we have a 2.5% house edge. And yes, we make profit from consumer losses. But on a similar vein, we are a successful niche operator because we care about our reputation, we pay promptly and do our best to offer a good service. However game protect, I don't see any evidence of you genuinely offering a good service to consumers. All I see is you trolling casino operators on these forums to drum up new business.

and does the word 'inclusive' mean in this context? And am I able to quote your lies, which lies are you specifically talking about? Because as far as I can see you whitewash and lie constantly by making vague unfounded accusations which mislead readers and misrepresent the true facts.

Nick final comment: Once again, this is another nonsense/badly written attempt at obfuscation from you Gameprotect. But then, that's what you do... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535816.695 (post slamming Fortune Jack) You liberally use the word scam and in my view that's what you actually are.

Finally, I'm disappointed that you keep hijacking this thread. And to any reader looking at this, once again, please report this person to the moderators so he can be banned from these forums. These sorts of conversations do not help uncover the truth. The only beneficiary is this person and his affiliate website.

To who has a government issued a license?

To Curacao eGaming or to oshi.io?

If a government issued a license to oshi.io, can you please show it?

You are a troll.

Can you please show us your usage rights contract with the 8048/JAZ license holder?

Game protect, you are a troll.

Readers, this person has decided to troll me. He trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you genuinely think these forums would be better without him, there are two simple things you can do:

1. Report game protect to the moderator. If enough people do this, the moderators will pay attention and ban this person
2. Give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

How-to's

Report game protect to the moderator how to:
- click 'report to moderator' and give your reasons.

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already tried to attempt
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

I do not trust casinos that are powered by SoftSwiss, every time you deposit you will have hard time to get your winnings.
Oshi also became very bad casino overall

I know how quickly we pay out because I keep a close eye on this.

In fact yesterday I had a discussion with the team and it turns out we have so many requests for free spins and freebies that slows down customer services so they can't prioritise real customer problems and cash outs
From now on anyone looking for free spins et cetera will be told to contact bonus@oshi.io

...which in turn means customer services have more availability process cash outs rapidly.

If you look at reviews made by customers on various affiliate sites, one of the consistent themes is that we do fast cash outs. Why? Because customers care about getting your money fast.

So joksim299 instead of making vague comments about service levels, can you be more specific please?

Have you tried this site previously? Or it is just like a speculation?
If you have tried it, would you mind to share how long you need to wait for your winnings? It would be helpful if you can share your own experience in this site. And would be better if you mention the bad things of Oshi. Thanks

Shared it before in this thread.
Was playing there regularly since launch, without pressure on support I would wait weeks to get cashout.

Before I reply, I read through some of the reports on your trust profile. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=220481 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=220481)  there are a lot of claims about you making vague accusations. Unless you come up with evidence, I don't / won't believe you... Nor should any other reader.

Waiting weeks to get a cash out doesn't make sense to me. If we find a suspicious player, we will do an audit within a day or so and we will also follow through on KYC (know your customer)
we tell the customer there is a problem and go from there.

Can you message me personally and give me your Oshi account email so I can verify your claim?

Nick

Is that being a reason why you stay away from this kind of developer? I do not think winning is depends on a developer or even the games as well. What I know is that winning and losing depends on your luck which you cant get that everytime, but if you can manage it and win some cash or even jackpot then it should be really big amount to cash out for sure

And btw why you said that Oshi become a bad site? After all you saying about the developer and now you are accuse Oshi to be bad, give some proof please

This says it all really...and GP I know you will come after me on my thread all the way from Switzerland.

http://www.upl.co/uploads/Oshi-Casino-Review---Ratings---AskGamblers1524705695.png

http://www.upl.co/uploads/Website-Overview-201524705796.png

Hi Bitcointalk Community

I would be glad if you, OshiNick, if you look at my problems.
First sorry for my bad english, but i try the best with google translator :)
Why was my claim not verifyed, but the whole profit taked away from my account? I'll tell what it's all about...

I opened an account for myself, yesterday on Oshi.io
Then I deposited my account with arround 40€ (paid in btc)
At next i played some Slot games, some won some lost. At some point the bonus was wagered and I could cashout my profit.

At this time I had +400€ on my Oshi account (without any bonus).
After that, i uploaded my Personal ID and last phone bill. All was accept. All was fine.

I told my mother about the Casino and my luck. She was happy and she wanted to try it self. I help her to make an Account on Oshi with her own personal datas (all real and correct). Then she want to deposit her Acc (50€) but she dont become the bonus that she selected. Strange, I thought and i wrote the support for her. They told me i would have duplicate a acount. I denied it. I have to play without the bonus, said the support agent.

Next she played some hours(Slot games too). At some point she had a big win. After that win, she had 550€ on her Oshi Account. She was totally happy and wanted to stop playing here and take the profit.

In the same time. I tried to confirm my btc address. For a cashout of my account. I dont became the e-mail from the support to confirm.
After 3hours, i became a mail from support! Only the content was not good...

_______________________
    Dear *name removed*,

Sorry, but you have breached our Terms & Conditions since you have a duplicate account.

Per Administration decision all winnings confiscated.

Please make withdrawal of your deposit amount and account will be closed after that.

Thank you for understanding,
Oshi Casino Support Team    
_______________________

I was shocked. on the account of my mother was the same. it was about a profit of 950€, in 2 cases.   .

Nothing was duplicate. 2 persons, 2 accounts. Can you tell me why they have removed our profit from the accounts? That is not correct i think. both persons can identify themselves with ID card, passport or driver licencs. We have dozens of bills to verify the address, which we can upload from us. All data that we given are correct. at last i can give you a birth certificate from me when you want, then you can also see that I am the son (of the 2nd account owner)

I'm not to blame, or I got it wrong?
Please help, we are a bit depressed.

OshiNick, I write you now the mail addresses of the two accounts in a private message.



Sorry for the grammar. I think the google translator had to help me a bit too often
      

Wow, so many players fall into the trap of brain washer ask gamblers!


Casinos do no not obtain licenses through the jurisdiction of Curacao! They have juridical invalid usage rights contracts with the 1668/JAZ, 365/JAZ, 5535/JAZ or 8048/JAZ license holder!

The mistake you made is using Softswiss scam casinos! :D

Most likely a casino bonus abuser and your "mum" playing casino... uhuh. The community has to be able to see the difference between a genuine issue and the tail of a professional bonus abuser. If casino's didn't block bonus abuse then they would all close their doors and then you'd have nowhere to play. Common sense says that this poster with a single post, in those circumstances is a chancer imho.

* Most likely *
Thanks that's unbelievable helpful

That didn't help at all!
All I got from you is that you forwarder my personal email back to the support! :)

Can you email me here? nick.garner@oshi.io

This is a very misleading post because it asserts that we get a lot of complaints, but it doesn't actually dig into the facts.

1. We use AskGamblers as our preferred arbitration service. On our support page and across the website we advertise AskGamblers as the place to go if you cannot solve your issues with our customer services team.
2. Of the 14 complaints:
   - 1 issue was marked as 'unresolved' , in other words we had a disagreement with AskGamblers and refused to pay this person who we believe was trying to scam us. If you're interested , read all about it here https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/oshi-io-confiscates-8982-euro-on-false-accusations
   - 2 of the issues were rejected. Which means AskGamblers said the complaint had no merit
   - 11 of the issues were resolved amicably between us and the customers

If anything, the AskGamblers complaints pages show we take customer engagement very seriously, we expose ourselves to negative reviews and if you bother looking at the positive reviews, you'll see overall customers enjoy using Oshi.

Hi Mason, can you reach out to me on nick.garner@oshi.io and give me your Oshi account email address so I can see what's going on?

Overall comment: duplicate accounts are a huge problem for us and every other operator. There is a massive incentive to set up as many duplicate accounts as you can, claim as much bonus money as possible at in the hope of winning.

We use 'browser fingerprint' technology to work out whether a customer has been using the same browser the different accounts.

In these situations where we have duplicate accounts, we typically ask customers to verify their accounts and reach out to the other person who has a duplicate account and ask them to verify their ID
Once we know both accounts are associated with different people and these two people don't live in the same property and of course there from a jurisdiction where we can accept customers, then we will pay.

So hopefully mason will contact me, I'll get customer services to deal with identity verification for the second account and hopefully we will sort this out.

Mason, I'm very disappointed you actually believe game protect. You obviously haven't looked at his reputation or other posts where he goes around trawling various casinos with his nonsense. If you read any of the posts on this thread with game protect and I, you will see this person deliberately attempts to misinform so he can steer users into his affiliate website.

Readers, about game protect : he trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you genuinely think these forums would be better without him, there are two simple things you can do:

1. Report game protect to the moderator. If enough people do this, the moderators will pay attention and ban this person
2. Give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

How-to's

Report game protect to the moderator how to:
- click 'report to moderator' and give your reasons.

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already tried to attempt
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

I think you misinterpreted the reason for my post, I was backing you up showing how good you guys are with all of the positive reviews and less than one issue a month since 2015.  That’s a stat to be proud of!

I didn’t go into much detail with my post as I assumed common sense and seeing the images would be enough ;)

@ mason1988

I asked him several times to show his usage rights contract and his answer was I am trolling!

So next time when the police ask you for your driving license, simply tell them that they are trolling and request to ban them. :D

Have faucet?

The usage rights issuer false and misleading claims to supervise and regulate its usage rights holder!

You false and misleading claim to have a license while not able to show it is also tricking people!

More misinformation from you game protect. As ever I'm disappointed by your poor use of English. Perhaps it's intentional?

When you say 'usage rights contract', what does that mean?

And yes, you are a troll and a scammer.

Game protect if you ever put together some coherent arguments, you might start being seen as legitimate. However sadly you carry on misinforming and misdirecting people so you can make money from your affiliate website. As I've said before you are the archetypal scammer. Very disappointing.

For anyone checking Oshi out, maybe read through some of these threads so you can make your mind up about whether we are a legitimate customer focused brand ...


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Readers, about game protect : he trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you genuinely think these forums would be better without him, there are two simple things you can do:

1. Report game protect to the moderator. If enough people do this, the moderators will pay attention and ban this person
2. Give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

How-to's

Report game protect to the moderator how to:
- click 'report to moderator' and give your reasons.

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already tried to attempt
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

According to your brain wash theory, asking for your usage rights contract is misinformation?

But I ask you, asking a question is not giving information. You are the one giving misinformation with stating your ton of nonsense and false and baseless accusations!


Oh, you claim to be an English expert, now you do not know the meaning of usage rights contract? Are you serious?

Definition usage rights: Usage rights are rights granted to an individual to use something for a specific purpose and for a particular period.

Definition contract: A written or spoken agreement


Did you already open a Scam Accusation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) here on bitcointalk? If not, why not?


Where is your Scam Accusation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) with content and proof?


For everyone considering to deposit at oshi.io, I can inform you that their operator Softswiss committed several criminal offenses towards its clients and you can read about it here on bitcointalk and on Game Protect website.

Here is a list of Softswiss operated casinos:

7bitcasino.com | betchan.com | betchain.com | betstreak.co

bitstarz.com | bobcasino.com | cleopatracasino.com | dasistcasino.com

goldenstar-casino.com | joocasino.com | kingbillycasino.com | konungcasino.com

limoplay.com | mbitcasino.com | megawins.com | oshi.io

playamo.com | play.casino | redping.win | space.casino

ttr.casino | queenspin.com

If you have interest to play at a Softswiss operated casino, simply put "casino + scam" into google.

For example: bitstarz scam

I am replying to game protects previous posting. I'm not going to do an extensive reply, because the arguments have become very circular. However I will pick up on a couple of things.

Game protected talks about a 'usage rights contract', but he doesn't give a context for this and clearly doesn't understand the concepts involved behind usage rights contracts

a typical usage rights contract would be with a game provider and a third party platform provider. The game provider stipulates terms within the contract saying the operator can use their games under certain circumstances. A good example is if a game provider enters into a contract with a Curaçao licensed operator, the game provider may state that there are certain countries where they will not allow players to use the game providers games. I.e. Israel, UK or United States.

Game protects comments about usage rights mean nothing because he isn't being clear about which rights and for what usage. And once again his command of English is so poor he can't even articulate this basic argument against Oshi or Softswiss.

He also talks about Softswiss being involved in criminal offences. I would like to see that evidence. I know the Softswiss team very well, along with the founder of Bitstarz and they are not criminal organisations. Making allegations like this are is serious, so I hope game protect backs up his rhetoric with some facts. If this kind of slanderous accusation was made here in the UK , with the visibility of Bitcointalk, gameprotect would be liable to prosecution https://www.inbrief.co.uk/types-of-claim/defamation/ However, since game protect is a laughably bad at what he does (apart from trolling) I don't think any clear minded person would take game protect seriously.

As far as game protect's response trying to defend his reputation: read his trust profile here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=220481 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=220481)

In respect to game protects invite to search:  'bitstarz scam' , he's talking about a thread from 2017 where a player was not paid out. The accusations were clearly laid out and the matter was resolved the same day. This is why if you're reading, please report game protect and if you can give him a negative trust review.

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About Oshi: I invite you to read through some of these threads, where you'll see me talk about Oshi. I am the founder of the business, so it will give you an idea of how we behave as a casino operator.

Summary: we take customer services very seriously, we prioritise rapid payouts, because it's what people want and we have a huge number of bonuses.


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Readers, about game protect : he trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you genuinely think these forums would be better without him, there are two simple things you can do:

1. Report game protect to the moderator. If enough people do this, the moderators will pay attention and ban this person
2. Give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

How-to's

Report game protect to the moderator how to:
- click 'report to moderator' and give your reasons.

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already tried to attempt
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

I speak about the usage rights contract between Direx N.V. and the 8048/JAZ license holder.

But as you are an illegal and criminal casino without a license, you are of course unaware about what I say!

Or you know it and intentionally lie?


Softswiss is behind Direx N.V.



The gambling community is still waiting for your facts that you have a license?

So far we have seen only brain wash theories!


Quote oshi.io website: Direx N.V. is licensed and regulated by Antillephone N.V.

This statement on your website is the criminal offense of Fraud by false representation (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/35/pdfs/ukpga_20060035_en.pdf)!

Thank you for informing us that you operate your illegal oshi casino out of the UK!

Or do you have a UKGC license?

Note: sorry this is ended up being a very long post...


Once again game protect your not making any sense so I will try and help you...

What game protect is trying to say is that he believes the Curaçao gaming licence has no validity. Of course he doesn't say that he is an affiliate, marketing Curaçao licenced operators. Nothing like a little hypocrisy!

I have talked about this in the past, but to save reader going through numerous posts, let me explain stuff about Curaçao licensing and white label operators.

Different countries have their own licensing regimes. This list gives you a good idea the amount of regulation per country https://www.keytocasino.com/en/gambling-laws-around-the-world.html (https://www.keytocasino.com/en/gambling-laws-around-the-world.html)

Licensing does three things:
- acts as a framework for government get tax revenues
- gives some clarity for a game providers when it comes to deciding which country territories and or which casino operators they are going to work with. For example some game providers might not want to work with Curaçao licensed operators... Equally other game providers might not want to work with UK licensed operators.
- Creates a framework which can be used to support consumer welfare

Obviously as a reader, you're interested in consumer protection.

In the UK, gambling is highly regulated and there is a substantial tax take from the UK government. This regulation does improve consumer protection for individuals within the UK.

For European countries which don't have localised regulation, many operators use Malta licences which has an intermediate number of consumer protections associated with it https://calvinayre.com/regulators/malta/ (https://calvinayre.com/regulators/malta/)

Curaçao licences are fairly weak on consumer protection. To understand more:  https://calvinayre.com/regulators/curacao/ (https://calvinayre.com/regulators/curacao/). Curaçao licences are used

There is a correlation between the cost of a licence and the number of consumer protections it affords. More you pay,, the more resource a licensing authority will put in to consumer arbitration.
There's also a correlation between cost of licensing and value of a market place. For example UK licences are expensive, they offer a high consumer protection and it's a very profitable market if you can get a foothold

White labels
Oshi is a white label operator. Softswiss or now known as BGAMING handle transactions, licensing, customer services, game integration and we handle the marketing and strategy for Oshi. Were also responsible for our player terms and conditions.
For example, you read through my post you'll see that I'm very straight about stuff and I care about being fair with our players.  I've made those choices and as a brand and we live or die by our values. Different white label operators will have their own game plan.

As a white label operator I am allowed to use Softswiss's (BGAMING) Curaçao licence as a white label operator partner.

Why doesn't it show you is the licence holder?
The licence is in the name of Direx, which is a corporate entity registered in Curaçao tax and licensing reasons. Softswiss is a separate business which owns Direx. This arrangement is very similar to Google or Amazon or any other multinational business which has registered companies in different country territories for either licensing or tax reasons. Game protect has probably tried to say that it's all very scammy, but the reality is that it's just corporate/accountancy stuff.

Our licence: https://validator.antillephone.com/validate?domain=oshi.io&seal_id=9bf8464341b46cc486bd3ffb6525387b6cc808482d2cbd423b8b696342949e765e4287eb6913bc21514f1dc7713cf51d&stamp=2f8daeaeffa7655bbae1dc01c0b7c961 (https://validator.antillephone.com/validate?domain=oshi.io&seal_id=9bf8464341b46cc486bd3ffb6525387b6cc808482d2cbd423b8b696342949e765e4287eb6913bc21514f1dc7713cf51d&stamp=2f8daeaeffa7655bbae1dc01c0b7c961)

Technically I am not the licence holder. Direx is. However I, along with all other white label operators Softswiss / BGAMING network act as representatives of Direx. So for example if one of the white label operators was involved in attempted money laundering, Direx could lose its licence with Curaçao and every white label operator on the network would be unable to trade.

This puts a lot of responsibility on Direx to police the behaviour of every white label operator, because if there a serious licensing contravention, the whole network of sites could go down.

What does all this mean to you?

Arbitration
If you're in a country territories which doesn't have a local licensing framework for online gambling and gambling is legal where you are, you can use any casino (within reason) this table gives you some useful info https://www.keytocasino.com/en/gambling-laws-around-the-world.html (https://www.keytocasino.com/en/gambling-laws-around-the-world.html)

Consumer protection for players using Curaçao licence is not as good as I would like, but then brands like us rely on the arbitration services of affiliates like AskGamblers to deal with customer issues.
https://www.askgamblers.com/online-casinos/oshi-casino-review/ (https://www.askgamblers.com/online-casinos/oshi-casino-review/)

We also rely on our good reputation in forums like this, which is why I'm so unhappy about 'Game protect' and his nonsense, because he doesn't understand the law and deliberately misdirects and misinforms to get people to go to his affiliate website. However, every nonsense post he puts up gives me an opportunity to talk some sense (I hope).

I've won but they're not paying!
In the end all casinos like us can do, is have clear terms and conditions that are fair, which is why we've written all our terms and conditions in plain English. Most people treat a casino as a service, where they go and gamble. However there is a large minority who treat us as an anniversary to be gamed or profit. They may win money by steering the odds in their favour i.e. through volatility arbitration or multiple duplicate account and then get caught out on terms and conditions. This kind of thing happens frequently.

Why gamble on a Curaçao licenced operator site?

Simply: Cryptocurrency. Curaçao allows casinos to use Cryptocurrency whilst not imposing overly rigourous KYC (know your customer) restrictions. In the UK, operators can offer Cryptocurrency as a payment option, but every customer has to be KYC'd. Since much of the benefit of Cryptocurrency is  pseudo-anonymity and lack of hassle, having all of this KYC and admin means you may as well just use a debit card.

Of course, I would like it if Curaçao was tighter on KYC requirements and hopefully they will do this in the future. I'd also like it if they were better on consumer arbitration.

In the end, any consumer should do their research and objectively look at a casino's reputation before putting their money down.

What is a Curacao gaming license? Does it also have a name?

I did not say that the 1668/JAZ, 365/JAZ, 5536/JAZ or 8048/JAZ license has no validity! I say that the usage rights contracts between the casinos and the license holders have no validity! You are obviously too stupid to understand it or intentionally lie to mislead the community, but this is the huge difference.


Of course do I say that players can sign up with Game Protect at Curacao based casinos and have consumer protection service inclusive!
 
There is no problem when signing up with Game Protect at Curacao based casinos, because legal action is inclusive if required. The problem is if a player signs up directly at a Curacao based casino like oshi.io, because in case of issues (and there are countless issues) he has to moan in forums or ask gamblers :D in the hope to get the issue solved. Of course could victims enforce their claims by themselves, but this is against the brain wash theories spread on the forums.

Because the brain wash theories say that we can not do anything if we are cheaten by casinos as you can read everywhere on the forums. Instead, cssinos like oshi.io offer to ask gamblers :D to get your legal issue solved! In the sense of if you are hurt, go to the bakery! If you need an insurance, go to the hairdresser!

You're still not making sense when you talk about usage rights contracts between casinos and licence holders. Can you extrapolate please?

Also I've gone through your website and I've seen no evidence of any kind of legal protection. Please prove this before you start claiming to have this protection in place
And no, if you understood the definition of brain washing, you would also understand your talking nonsense.


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Readers, about game protect : he trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you genuinely think these forums would be better without him, there are two simple things you can do:

1. Report game protect to the moderator. If enough people do this, the moderators will pay attention and ban this person
2. Give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

How-to's

Report game protect to the moderator how to:
- click 'report to moderator' and give your reasons.

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already tried to attempt
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

Do I claim to operate under the 8048/JAZ license or do you claim to operate under it?

If you claim to operate under it, you should be able to extrapolate your claim or not?

Or maybe, according to your brain wash theories, a player using your illegal casino service needs to extrapolate how it come that you legally operate under the license issued to someone else?


Can you quote where Game Protect offers legal protection?

This is what we offer:

- Dispute resolution between you and the operators for your Game Protect qualified gaming accounts
    
- Lawyer and civil court proceeding, in case you have a valid claim and we can not reach a resolution
 
- Private investigations if operators commit offenses like embezzlement (https://game-protect.com/online-gaming-embezzlement/), scam and money laundering

Not one word about legal protection, whatever it means!

Can you show us any examples where you've gone through arbitration and successfully won a claim against an operator?

If you are talking about lawyer/court proceedings then it's involves legal services.... So you're saying that you offer no legal services or enablement for legal services? So if I am a customer and I want to make a claim against one of the operators you represent, how are you going to help me? And please give a clear answer.

And now is your opportunity to share your story on how you investigate embezzlement?

And finally you still haven't explained what you mean by usage rights contracts between casinos and licence holders. I presume you haven't explained what this is all about because you don't understand what you're talking about.

The trouble is game protect, every time you do this kind of thing, you discredit yourself. There are affiliates like AskGamblers, latest casino bonuses and Thepogg who take arbitration seriously and actually know what they're talking about.

Arbitration is very profitable for these affiliate because consumers trust their opinions and will use their respective websites as 'jump off' points to register with operators. In turn they make revenues and everything carries on.

However game protect you don't offer real arbitration services (unless proven otherwise) and all you do is troll...

From now on I'm changing tack. I'm not going to reply to you directly any longer unless you can start replying sensibly. 
If you had any commercial sense, you would stop behaving like this and start adding some real value. There is definitely a place for 'scam alert' websites, but they need to have real information showing real examples of operators who have behaved unacceptably.

Game protect, you are a fool and a troll and you had many chances to prove yourself and you have failed. You are a loser I'm afraid.

At one time I thought you would come up with some good arguments so I could explain myself. But every time I put in a lot of effort into a considered reply, you just came back with some 'copy/paste' response that made no sense. That's why I keep saying to readers, report game protect to the moderator. He does not help these forums.

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Readers, about game protect : he trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you genuinely think these forums would be better without him, there are two simple things you can do:

1. Report game protect to the moderator. If enough people do this, the moderators will pay attention and ban this person
2. Give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

How-to's

Report game protect to the moderator how to:
- click 'report to moderator' and give your reasons.

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already tried to attempt
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

Hi there, does anyone have any questions for me about either:
- Curaçao licensing
- player issues
- running a white label casino
- online marketing (I specialise in SEO)
- the best bonuses... I know quite a lot about bonusing
- what I think players want
- anything else?
I look forward to any questions you have

PS assuming game protect replies, I'm going to ignore him. This way I can have a sensible conversation with you.

Nick
founder / Oshi

When I click on Gambling License on your illegal casino website oshi.io and forwards me to

http://www.gaminglicences.com/pages/validate.php?lid=8048-S1908799

it says The connection has timed out

Can you please extrapolate what does it mean?

Has your license timed out? :D

Okay then, I have a some questions for casino players on Bitcoin talk...

I want to reboot the Oshi VIP system. At the moment we have:

- VIP cashback
- VIP only lotteries
- VIP manager whose job it is to support VIPs with help or bonuses

The VIP tiering system:

Tier 1: 10% cashback x 1 wager requirement
tier 2: 8% cashback x 1  wager requirement
tier 3 : 7% cashback x three times wager requirement
tier 4 : 6% cashback by three times wager requirement
tier 5: 5% cashback by three times wager requirement

I'm basing the tier that a VIP gets onto by the volume of real money bets over a two-week period.

At the moment the cashback is unlocked if players meet certain loss thresholds:
Min loss values for last 7 day(s) (excluding current period) per currency should be greater than:
0.10000000 BTC,
100.00 EUR,
100.00 USD,
100.00 GBP,
100.00 AUD,
6,000.00 RUB,
1,000.00 SEK,
1,000.00 NOK,
100.00 CAD, and
1,000.00 CNY

So I'm thinking of:
- putting players into specific tiers based on the previous weeks betting.
- Each seven day 'week' begins as of Monday midnight
- as players bet more or less, they go up or down the VIP tiers.
- I want to reduce the minimum loss value before you can claim cashback down to €10 or 0.0013 BTC
- having a manual system to flag up people who we believe are important to Oshi (manually creating VIP status)

My rationale:
Make everything as simple and reliable as possible i.e. even if you are in 0.0013 BTC loss, you still get some cashback (if you are a VIP)
Have a clear correlation between engagement / losses and cashback

Question:
- any thoughts on this VIP tiering system?
- Any ideas on what kind of benefits/bonuses that would work well for VIPs that enjoy anonymity...

I Appreciate any feedback you can give

Nick

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About Game Protect....

Inevitably he will reply to this post. If you read previous posts you'll see that I've engaged with this person, but no more. It's probably easier if you just ignore him, that way there will be less 'noise' on the thread.

Currently you mention tiers for currency loss however 0.1BTC is quite a considerable amount now with the price being so high if using USD as a metric.

Rather than giving an amount back after losing so much, set tiers of rewards and don’t call it VIP.

Set tiers on certain games each week - bronze/silver/gold etc then you could encourage Affiliates by rewarding them for each bronze/silver/gold player they refer.

Yes, you're right about the loss amount in BTC being too high. I want to drop it right down...

So with the tiering system, you're thinking of applying it to groups of games, so players would play on a particular group of games each week
and based their luck, they either get some kind of tournament prize or cashback?
I.e. amplify good luck when it happens and reduce the bad luck when it does also happen?

And on the affiliate side, I guess you're thinking of some kind of specific promotion the we could run per affiliate where players get cashback /exclusive tournament entry / boosted comp points?
I know we can do promotions for specific affiliates, so it's a question of what would appeal to players most?

Yes, what is the name of the company in UK that operates your illegal oshi.io casino?

That’s a foolish question really.

The holding company for Oshi (as far as I understand it) is in Curaçao. The marketing side of the business is run from the UK, nothing illegal about that and I can can think of at least five other brands that do the same.

Definition holding company: A holding company is a parent corporation, limited liability company or limited partnership that owns enough voting stock in another company to control its policies and management.

If there is a holding company in Curaçao, then there must be a subsidiary company in the UK, logically!

And I asked for the name of the company in the UK from where Nick Garner operates his illegal oshi.io casino.

Yes, how much do you have to pay to SoftSwiss every month to use the white label construction?

Take a look at how OshiNick blatant lies about Game Protect (https://game-protect.com)!

Feedback 27-04-2018


Refers to the MegaDice scam, 500+ Bitcoins defrauded and disappeared! (https://game-protect.com/megadice-scam/) article where Game Protect warns about the publicly proven MegaDice aka SatoshiDice scam and blatant lies that Game Protect tries to recruit investors!!!

How mentally ill a person must be to state such a nonsense?

Or is OshiNick just a brain washer in an attempt to mislead the gambling community and fall into his Oshi casino scam trick?

However a subsidiary company doesn’t need to have any dealings gaming licence wise as they’re only the marketing arm of Oshi so nothing to do with the operation of the casino itself. Their only function is to increase public awareness of the brand - logically.

So again your question is foolish as Oshi isn’t operated from the UK.

I asked for the name of the subsidiary company in the UK?

Marketing is part of the operation of a casino. To say marketing has nothing to do with the operation is more than dumb!

If Nick does not operate his oshi casino out of the UK, who operates it then and in which country?

It meanwhile turned out that your white label construction has no legal basis!

You’re acting dumb. There is many many marketing companies that help online casinos that are nothing more to do with the brand than their marketing arm.

Case in point, try typing online casino marketing agency in Google...
http://i68.tinypic.com/sew303.png

Why should Nick say who operates the brand in Curaçao? He has provided an address previously which is just the same amount of information as Fortune Jack, Bitstarz, mBit etc the list is endless.

You have already proven how dumb you are! More dumb are the players signing up using your affiliate links for the bitcoin casinos you were able to find! :D


Do you claim that oshi.io is a marketing company?

Or OshiNick is the manager of a marketing company helping casinos to promote them?

Or are you just too stupid to read and or understand the content of what you read?

Are you able to understand what a founder of a casino is?

NO, it is not a marketing agency promoting casinos! ::)

Are you able to understand what customer service is?

Does a marketing agency keep close eyes on payouts of foreign casinos?

Marketing agency or operator?
 

I asked you for the name of the company that operates the oshi.io casino?


The adderess he has provided operates his casino?

Since when can addresses operate casinos ???

To operate something you need working people and not addresses, right?

You’re too stupid to talk to.

You like to think you’re catching people out, but the fact of the matter is your English comprehension is very basic and this comes across in your rebuttals.

You like to wade in guns blazing with your riposte - just like your last reply - without full comprehension of what has been written to you.

Yes I’ll keep using my affiliate links on my OWN thread, and not post them about the forums like confetti similar to others creating a nuisance.

Are you too stupid to answer my easy English questions?

Are you even able to read and understand English or do you need a better translation tool?

No one cares about your affiliate links, because you are too stupid to help players if they will have an issue!

No one cares about your reviews, because you are too stupid to understand basic legal things!

Your customers are obviously too stupid to understand what you are talking about, otherwise they would get brain cancer!

I rest my case.
http://i63.tinypic.com/no9b4m.jpg

Because you are too stupid to answer my basic questions, right?

answer my question idiot, where is nitrogen license? or are they fraud like you?

Where is your Scam Accusation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) with proof?

False and misleading claiming that someone committed the criminal offense of scam while he did not is the criminal offense of defamation!


Why would anyone consider depositing money to your illegal casino while you commit criminal offenses towards online gaming consumer protection service?

I did say I wasn't going to respond to game protect... But it's nice to see his trust score keeps dropping... @ -64 now.

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Readers, about game protect : he trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you genuinely think these forums would be better without him, there are two simple things you can do:

1. Report game protect to the moderator. If enough people do this, the moderators will pay attention and ban this person
2. Give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

How-to's

Report game protect to the moderator how to:
- click 'report to moderator' and give your reasons.

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already tried to attempt
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

Sadly the thread's most recent posts are not about the gambling site's activities/promotions anymore. It seems like game-protect is always here to mess around with thread especially questioning the legality of their operations, even if the holding company is based on UK they still have a subsidiary in Curacao which has managed to obtain a license (https://validator.antillephone.com/validate?domain=oshi.io&uri=https%3A%2F%2Foshi.io%2F&if=0&cif=0&sts=1525627186536&seal_id=9bf8464341b46cc486bd3ffb6525387b6cc808482d2cbd423b8b696342949e765e4287eb6913bc21514f1dc7713cf51d&stamp=4716d30673a712fda8d01616de2d0c90) to operate under their country, now if the government of Curacao have seen their registration as legal, I don't know what you are still looking for. Game-protect has manage yet again to successfully troll a thread of a gambling site just by questioning their legality when their is even no current scam accusation on Oshi.io in the first place.

You are misleading the gambling community again with your blatant lies and nonsense!

The link you have posted is to the seal status page and is no license!

If the holding company is based in UK, then they need to register their office there, but Nick Garner operates the oshi.io illegal out of the UK!

The government of Curacao has seen what registration as legal?

You did not answer many of my questions right from the start, instead you posted brain wash theories without any proof!

You even did not explain what -32 means?

All the people who refer to the -xx trust never explained what it means when I asked!

They just refer to something they even do not know what it is!

How can you expect the gambling site to have a valid licence when you yourself do not support the idea of website taking kyc for withdrawal?

Can someone please tell what is the exact issue with the site? Are they paying out?

Thanks for weighing in on this one Real14Hero (and all the other people who have started complaining about game protect.

Fact is game protect chooses to knowingly 'flame' threads, because somewhere he makes money out of this.
The best thing to do is report this person to the moderator and have him banned because he deliberately misinforms and misleads for-profit.

Anyone reading, Please be a good citizen of this forum and report game protect to the moderator.
You think it's not a big deal for you, but wait till he hijacks a forum thread that you care about.

bit.news is not the only one with bad experience!

ITech Labs Random Number Generator / Soft Swiss (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=589538.msg6517909#msg6517909)

It is even more worth, because oshi.io does not even work under the 8048/JAZ license!

His sub-usage rights contract with Direx N.V. based on the usage rights contract between Direx N.V. and 8048/JAZ license holder Antillephone N.V. has no legal basis at all based on Curacao laws!

SoftSwiss publicly claims that white label participants would operate under its Direx N.V. license. But Direx N.V. does not have a license! The Government of Curacao did not issue a license to Direx N.V.! The Government of Curacao issued the 8048/JAZ license only to Antillephone N.V.!  

Direx N.V. has only a non-exclusive right to operate under the 8048/JAZ license issued by Antillephone N.V. and not by the Government of Curacao.

Readers, about game protect : he trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you genuinely think these forums would be better without him, there are two simple things you can do:

1. Report game protect to the moderator. If enough people do this, the moderators will pay attention and ban this person
2. Give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

How-to's

Report game protect to the moderator how to:
- click 'report to moderator' and give your reasons.

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already attempted
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

Take a look what a criminal brain washer Nick Garner is!

Readers, about game protect : he trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you genuinely think these forums would be better without him, there are two simple things you can do:

1. Report game protect to the moderator. If enough people do this, the moderators will pay attention and ban this person
2. Give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

How-to's

Report game protect to the moderator how to:
- click 'report to moderator' and give your reasons.

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already attempted
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

Here is a case where you boss stole 20 Bitcoins!

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Am curious about your excusation and brain wash theories?

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OshiNick is not able to answer my questions! ::) Maybe someone from the bitcointalk community can?

Readers, about game protect : he trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you genuinely think these forums would be better without him, there are two simple things you can do:

1. Report game protect to the moderator. If enough people do this, the moderators will pay attention and ban this person
2. Give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

How-to's

Report game protect to the moderator how to:
- click 'report to moderator' and give your reasons.

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already attempted
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

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If you made the mistake and played at a SoftSwiss scam casino (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1936168.0), you should be clever enough to not repeat your mistake!

Game Protect received countless scam reports about Curacao based casinos and also about SoftSwiss casinos like oshi.io!

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SoftSwiss also does not respect self-exclusion requests and take your money until you are financially broke!

Have you seen something like this before?


I ask legitimate questions and he does not answer it!

What do you think will happen if SoftSwiss wants to cheat you?

Exactly, they will kick your ass!

Readers, about game protect : he trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you genuinely think these forums would be better without him, there are two simple things you can do:

1. Report game protect to the moderator. If enough people do this, the moderators will pay attention and ban this person
2. Give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

How-to's

Report game protect to the moderator how to:
- click 'report to moderator' and give your reasons.

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already attempted
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

Where is the list of attempted scams?

Have you already opened scam accusations like it is common on bitcointalk?

If not, why not?

@gameprotect, mate why do you cross post from different threads?  You've done it now in the Oshi thread and also in mine.  I know you want answers to various topics but you should keep those topics tied to the original thread, not cross post quotes.

To a reader of these forums that isn't familiar with the myriad of topics ongoing at any one time - seeing random quotes becomes confusing.

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SoftSwiss is operator of oshi.io and Ivan Montic is OshiNick's boss, but according to your theories this thread Direx Limited, SoftSwiss, Direx N.V Scam by Ivan Montic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1936168.0) has no relation to this thread?

If you are not able to understand even very basic things, how are you able to find Bitcoin casinos?

What is the advantage for players to play at casinos you found?

Ivan is not my boss...

Readers, about game protect : he trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you genuinely think these forums would be better without him, there are two simple things you can do:

1. Report game protect to the moderator. If enough people do this, the moderators will pay attention and ban this person
2. Give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

How-to's

Report game protect to the moderator how to:
- click 'report to moderator' and give your reasons.

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already attempted
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

You claim to operate under Direx N.V. and Ivan Montik is managing director of Direx N.V. and therefore your boss!

However, if you believe he is not your boss, thell us who is?

Game protect, it's obvious you have no idea how white label platforms work. You're just a troll.

Readers, about game protect : he trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you genuinely think these forums would be better without him, there are two simple things you can do:

1. Report game protect to the moderator. If enough people do this, the moderators will pay attention and ban this person
2. Give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

How-to's

Report game protect to the moderator how to:
- click 'report to moderator' and give your reasons.

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already attempted
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

Can you quote the obvious part, so that everyone can enjoy it?

Can you please explain us how the Softswiss white label fraud scheme works?

Because if Ivan is not your boss as you claim, then it must be a fraud scheme based on applicable civil and criminal laws! :D

(Copied from an earlier reply... since game protect isn't interested in a debate, just trolling)


Once again game protect your not making any sense so I will try and help you...

What game protect is trying to say is that he believes the Curaçao gaming licence has no validity. Of course he doesn't say that he is an affiliate, marketing Curaçao licenced operators. Nothing like a little hypocrisy!

I have talked about this in the past, but to save reader going through numerous posts, let me explain stuff about Curaçao licensing and white label operators.

Different countries have their own licensing regimes. This list gives you a good idea the amount of regulation per country https://www.keytocasino.com/en/gambling-laws-around-the-world.html (https://www.keytocasino.com/en/gambling-laws-around-the-world.html)

Licensing does three things:
- acts as a framework for government get tax revenues
- gives some clarity for a game providers when it comes to deciding which country territories and or which casino operators they are going to work with. For example some game providers might not want to work with Curaçao licensed operators... Equally other game providers might not want to work with UK licensed operators.
- Creates a framework which can be used to support consumer welfare

Obviously as a reader, you're interested in consumer protection.

In the UK, gambling is highly regulated and there is a substantial tax take from the UK government. This regulation does improve consumer protection for individuals within the UK.

For European countries which don't have localised regulation, many operators use Malta licences which has an intermediate number of consumer protections associated with it https://calvinayre.com/regulators/malta/ (https://calvinayre.com/regulators/malta/)

Curaçao licences are fairly weak on consumer protection. To understand more:  https://calvinayre.com/regulators/curacao/ (https://calvinayre.com/regulators/curacao/). Curaçao licences are used

There is a correlation between the cost of a licence and the number of consumer protections it affords. More you pay,, the more resource a licensing authority will put in to consumer arbitration.
There's also a correlation between cost of licensing and value of a market place. For example UK licences are expensive, they offer a high consumer protection and it's a very profitable market if you can get a foothold

White labels
Oshi is a white label operator. Softswiss or now known as BGAMING handle transactions, licensing, customer services, game integration and we handle the marketing and strategy for Oshi. Were also responsible for our player terms and conditions.
For example, you read through my post you'll see that I'm very straight about stuff and I care about being fair with our players.  I've made those choices and as a brand and we live or die by our values. Different white label operators will have their own game plan.

As a white label operator I am allowed to use Softswiss's (BGAMING) Curaçao licence as a white label operator partner.

Why doesn't it show you is the licence holder?
The licence is in the name of Direx, which is a corporate entity registered in Curaçao tax and licensing reasons. Softswiss is a separate business which owns Direx. This arrangement is very similar to Google or Amazon or any other multinational business which has registered companies in different country territories for either licensing or tax reasons. Game protect has probably tried to say that it's all very scammy, but the reality is that it's just corporate/accountancy stuff.

Our licence: https://validator.antillephone.com/validate?domain=oshi.io&seal_id=9bf8464341b46cc486bd3ffb6525387b6cc808482d2cbd423b8b696342949e765e4287eb6913bc21514f1dc7713cf51d&stamp=6c9eea068af302a06c89ad6611841838 (https://validator.antillephone.com/validate?domain=oshi.io&seal_id=9bf8464341b46cc486bd3ffb6525387b6cc808482d2cbd423b8b696342949e765e4287eb6913bc21514f1dc7713cf51d&stamp=6c9eea068af302a06c89ad6611841838)

Technically I am not the licence holder. Direx is. However I, along with all other white label operators Softswiss / BGAMING network act as representatives of Direx. So for example if one of the white label operators was involved in attempted money laundering, Direx could lose its licence with Curaçao and every white label operator on the network would be unable to trade.

This puts a lot of responsibility on Direx to police the behaviour of every white label operator, because if there a serious licensing contravention, the whole network of sites could go down.

What does all this mean to you?

Arbitration
If you're in a country territories which doesn't have a local licensing framework for online gambling and gambling is legal where you are, you can use any casino (within reason) this table gives you some useful info https://www.keytocasino.com/en/gambling-laws-around-the-world.html (https://www.keytocasino.com/en/gambling-laws-around-the-world.html)

Consumer protection for players using Curaçao licence is not as good as I would like, but then brands like us rely on the arbitration services of affiliates like AskGamblers to deal with customer issues.
https://www.askgamblers.com/online-casinos/oshi-casino-review/ (https://www.askgamblers.com/online-casinos/oshi-casino-review/)

We also rely on our good reputation in forums like this, which is why I'm so unhappy about 'Game protect' and his nonsense, because he doesn't understand the law and deliberately misdirects and misinforms to get people to go to his affiliate website. However, every nonsense post he puts up gives me an opportunity to talk some sense (I hope).

I've won but they're not paying!
In the end all casinos like us can do, is have clear terms and conditions that are fair, which is why we've written all our terms and conditions in plain English. Most people treat a casino as a service, where they go and gamble. However there is a large minority who treat us as an anniversary to be gamed or profit. They may win money by steering the odds in their favour i.e. through volatility arbitration or multiple duplicate account and then get caught out on terms and conditions. This kind of thing happens frequently.

Why gamble on a Curaçao licenced operator site?

Simply: Cryptocurrency. Curaçao allows casinos to use Cryptocurrency whilst not imposing overly rigourous KYC (know your customer) restrictions. In the UK, operators can offer Cryptocurrency as a payment option, but every customer has to be KYC'd. Since much of the benefit of Cryptocurrency is  pseudo-anonymity and lack of hassle, having all of this KYC and admin means you may as well just use a debit card.

Of course, I would like it if Curaçao was tighter on KYC requirements and hopefully they will do this in the future. I'd also like it if they were better on consumer arbitration.

In the end, any consumer should do their research and objectively look at a casino's reputation before putting their money down.

I never said the Curaçao gaming licenses 1668/JAZ, 365/JAZ, 5536/JAZ and 8048/JAZ have no validity.

I say the claims of casinos to operate under the 1668/JAZ, 365/JAZ, 5536/JAZ and 8048/JAZ licenses have no legal basis. You might be not able to understand it, but this is a huge difference!


I surely said it countless times that players can qualify for our online gaming consumer protection service if they register their accounts with any Qualify free (https://game-protect.com/qualify-free/) casino.


The only Curaçao licenced operators are the 1668/JAZ, 365/JAZ, 5536/JAZ and 8048/JAZ license holders and Game Protect does not marketing them.


Curaçao does not have a licensing regime! Even the PPO confirmed this: "Brick and mortar casinos and lotteries are regulated by two dfferent organizations, whereas online games of chance are yet to be regulated in anticipation of legislation."


What relevant information do they give for players playing at Curaçao based casinos?

Where do they explain how the white label construction works?


This is a link to the Antillephone seal status page, right?

How or based on which laws can you claim the information at the seal status page of Antillephone is your license, while Curacao eGaming itself publicly states that the seal status is not to be accepted as valid license certificate?

I will explain with the example of a driving license what the seal status page is:

1) If authorities issued a driving license to you, they will give you a document / card called driving license with your photo on it.

2) The information that you have a driving license is also in a central register.

3) The seal status page information that oshi.io operates under the 8048/JAZ license is similiar to 2), but it is not 1), it is not your license certificate or your license as you false and misleading claim!

And there is also a huge difference between 2) and 3), because 2) is a register by authorities whereas 3) is a register by an anonymous adventure called Antillephone N.V.

Your license must be a document or contract with the 8048/JAZ license holder, because only the 8048/JAZ license holder holds a license issued by the Government of Curacao and no one else.

To show a valid license for oshi.io, you need to show us a valid authorization from 8048/JAZ license holder to Direx N.V. and then a valid authorization from Direx N.V. to the company that operates osho.io?

And if there is no company that operates oshi.io, then Direx N.V. is the operator of the website oshi.io! Because only companies can have a usage rights contract to operate under the 8048/JAZ license.

And in this case and as I already said, Ivan is your boss because Ivan is the managing director of Direx N.V.!

@game protect, thank you for bothering to write a fairly comprehensive reply. As ever you lie and misdirect for profit. Sad thing is the people who are stupid enough believe you are the ones that genuinely need protection. You're just the worst kind of predator, trying to mislead people for profit.


Anyway, back to Curaçao licensing...This thread is insightful https://www.quora.com/What-are-drawbacks-of-a-Cura%C3%A7ao-gaming-license (https://www.quora.com/What-are-drawbacks-of-a-Cura%C3%A7ao-gaming-license)

As I see it:

You have country specific licensing jurisdictions which act as a framework for regulation, tax collection and consumer protection. The UK gambling council is a good example.

You then have jurisdictions like Curaçao who don't offer much regulation, impose minimal tax collection and have virtually no consumer protection. However, despite the lack of 'strength' with this license, it does make it easier for game providers, banks and other services to decide whether they work with casino brands.

In this case a game provider will say: "you have Curaçao licence, you can use our games". Some game providers don't want to run games with Curaçao brands for instance. And there are some game providers who are happy to provide games to unlicensed casinos.

The catch with game providers allowing the games on unlicensed casinos is that most of the big wealthy markets are regulated. So if the UKGC saw a game provider allowing games to be run on unlicensed casinos they might say these game providers cannot trade in UK. Licensed jurisdictions have a lot of discretionary power.

Back to game protect's narrative

Game protect is saying that Curaçao licence is of no validity. In one sense that's true. In the UK you cannot trade with the Curaçao licence. You have to have a UK gambling licence.

But, there are grey markets i.e. Canada where there is no local licensing for online gambling and therefore operators from any country origin can trade there.

However, a Curaçao licence is still valuable because as I mentioned earlier because it means that game providers will offer services because of that licence. It's got nothing to do with the law in Canada as applied to Curaçao. Curaçao has no jurisdiction over Canada.

The sad part is that game protect does understand this, but he's a charlatan and constantly lies for profit.

I repeat, I never said that the 4 Curaçao licenses 1668/JAZ, 365/JAZ, 5536/JAZ of 8048/JAZ are of no validity. You are again lying and misleading the bitcointalk community in an attempt to fall into your SoftSwiss scam trap!

What I say is that your claim to operate under the 8048/JAZ license has no legal basis and you operate illegal!

Why?

1) Because key parts of the terms and conditions of your usage rights contract with license holder 8048/JAZ are intentionally and persistently not fulfilled, making it invalid!

2) Because key parts of the Curaçao licensing requirement laws are intentionally and persistently not fulfilled, making your usage rights contract with license holder 8048/JAZ invalid!

3) Because Curacao civil and criminal laws are intentionally and persistently breached, making your usage rights contract with license holder 8048/JAZ invalid!

And as you are a criminal blatant liar, your sole chance to draw victims into the SoftSwiss scam is to persistently blatant lie and brain washery of your potential dumb customers, clueless to understand even the basic things about contracts and rights! ::)


You are again lying and misleading the bitcointalk community, because you are the casino operator making profit from losses of your victims and not Game Protect! ::)

You have to be more specific with me.
- Which parts of our terms and conditions are you talking about?
- What parts of the Curaçao civil and criminal laws are being breached?
- And how does this affect the licence Oshi is using? ( Bear in mind, as a white label operator Oshi is actually owned and operated by Direx. All we do is the marketing. )

Furthermore, by saying our license is invalid, you're saying every Curaçao operator using any kind of white label service is also trading illegally. Therefore your talking about hundreds of casino brands. If you make big claims about the illegality of brands like ours, you had better back it up with some facts.

And by the way Game Protect, I've never seen you pull together a decent argument on any of these threads... Sad really, because I like pressure testing assumptions. I guess you just don't have the intellect to carry off a solid argument.

Readers, about game protect : he trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you want to warn others about this person, give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already attempted
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

No, you as the operator of a casino are obligated to check the laws and validity of your license and not the troll Game Protect.


I talk about the terms and conditions of the usage rights contract between Direx N.V. and Antillephone N.V. to operate under its 8048/JAZ license.

The 2 key conditions under its supervision and responsibility are intentionally and habitually not fulfilled by Antillephone N.V., making the issued non-exclusive right to operate under its 8048/JAZ license invalid!


This question confirms that you as the operator of oshi.io who claims to operate under the 8048/JAZ license are clueless about Curacao civil and criminal laws!


I have not seen the white label contract and I do not know how it comes that the Antillephone N.V. seal status page claims that oshi.io operates under its 8048/JAZ license, even though (I assume) there is no direct contract between Antillephone N.V. and oshi.io.

However, if the usage rights contract between Direx N.V. and Antillephone N.V. is invalid, then anything below Direx N.V., like your white label contract with Direx N.V., is logically also invalid!


This statement confirms that Ivan Montik as managing director of Direx N.V. is your boss, while you previously denied it!



First of all, I do not say your license is invalid, because the 8048/JAZ license holder is not authorized to transfer it and you have none.

I say the usage rights contracts between casinos and 1668/JAZ, 365/JAZ, 5536/JAZ or 8048/JAZ license holders to operate under its license is invalid, because the 2 key conditions under its supervision and responsibility are intentionally and habitually not fulfilled. There are additionally other key points that make these usage rights contracts invalid, but it is enough to refer to these 2 not fulfilled key conditions to back it up.


Correct. There are the 4 licenses 1668/JAZ, 365/JAZ, 5536/JAZ or 8048/JAZ and hundreds of invalid usage rights contracts claiming to operate under these 4 licenses!

Can you please define what you mean by 'usage rights'. You've never actually specified what they are...

An usage right is the right to use something someone else owns.

In this case, the 8048/JAZ license holder gives non-exclusive rights to casinos to operate under its 8048/JAZ license. But this issued right has no legal basis because of the above mentioned reasons.

So, once again you are not being very specific. Typically usage rights are related to copywriting issues, such as music or literature.
In the case of music, a writer produces content and a third party might want to use the music for an advert whatever and therefore they seek agreement on usage rights for that content.

The Curaçao government would have a licence type which allows for 'white labelling'. The licensing authority authorises an operator to use an appropriate licence and the operator then works with marketing partners within a white label framework. This framework is used with numerous gaming authorities, so I don't understand where the legal irregularities are? And besides which, you've never put together a coherent legal argument on any thread I've ever read from you.

You mentioned earlier " because the 2 key conditions under its supervision and responsibility are intentionally and habitually not fulfilled. "  So, which conditions exactly? Can you dig them out and copy/paste them into this thread and give us a commentary so we can understand exactly what you're talking about?

Readers, about game protect : he trolls many operators just to persuade users to go to his affiliate website.

He has posted hundreds of times and flamed as many threads: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&ei=sBvfWpjROquZgAbsz4-wCQ&q=site%3Abitcointalk.org+game-protect

If you want to warn others about this person, give game protect a negative trust review. He has around 140 negative reviews already. It takes 30 seconds and you can do it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

Trust review how to:
- go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254
- pick a scam he has already attempted
- use that as a reference and copy/paste the reference page + add your own comments

According to your brainology, Direx N.V. having an usage rights contract with the 8048/JAZ license holder to operate under its license is not specific? :D

You probably live behind the moon, but you can have an usage right to use any kind of things and even properties. ::)


Would have or have? I trust you are able to understand the huge difference. ;)

Can you show us the license type issued by the Government of Curacao allowing 'white labelling'?

Can you show us the white label issued by 8048/JAZ license holder Antillephone N.V. to the operator of oshi.io?

As far as I have seen, only companies can claim to operate under the 8048/JAZ license. Please tell us the name of the company that operates oshi.io?

I already asked you earlier, but you ignored to answer this important question!



Who is the licensing authority in Curacao?


Did the licensing authority in Curacao give a license to oshi.io?


If yes, please show us the license issued to oshi.io?


What framework?


Who are the numerous gaming authorities?



You did? :D

OshiNick there is an ignore button right under Gameprotects name. The rest of us have taken the plunge already. ::)

Good point! And thanks for your suggestion :-)

@ OshiNick

Why not answer my questions instead?

For example, what is the name of the company that signed a white label contract with Direx N.V.?

Or did you sign the contract as a private person?

Where is brain washer Oshi Nick from the Direx N.V. scam team?

Is this really working?