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"Mobile Numbers as a Proxy Server"

How do we join your Slack?

When we can get mobile app?

When exactly will the computer version be available?

More project coming in the crypto economy these days and some are almost alike. Ain't this just like the Encryptotel project but with different direction?
The ICO will only run for 10 days, the marketing must be really good so how much is your minimum target cap?

What is the token price? 0,8?

We have a huge difference from Encryptotel - we already have working software, which you can use for free. All source codes already on GitHub. We are not looking for big charges, for qualitative work does not need a lot of money. Our minimum target cap is 1 million pounds sterling.

Uber? Is that the software that calls the car? Do you have any cooperation with them?

Is there any difference in cost between video calls and usual calls?

https://www.ziber.io/#download

There is only desktop version available when you will push other version for mobile phones. We need it to have some version for iOS and Android to get more users for this application.

bounty will be held?

You are keeping your cards close to chest by holding back the mobile version of app. It is good strategy to let people use desktop version to see and test the app how it works. If I understood good from free international calls till 27th July means anywhere, totally free to regular phone numbers ?

Helo Dev...may be holding a campaign or social media bounty

When will be the Escrow detail for the funds collected during the ICO will be available? Are you planning to have escrow at the first place, Investors need an assurance and safety. I'm interested in this kind of fresh idea and I want further detail regarding the ICO flow.

Could you please elaborate on how the 10% Bonus coins are going to be distributed? Your site and whitepaper has too few details about this.

It seems clear that a snapshot of BTC and ETH wallets is being taken on 26th July, but no timestamp is specified.

Are we supposed to claim the Bonus tokens once the ICO has started? (from 27th onwards)

Thanks in advance.

Will Ziber be used as a file sharing service?

what is the different between Ziber and ETT ? Please explain ?

We have a huge difference from Encryptotel - we already have working software, which you can use for free. All source codes already on GitHub.

Do i need a phone number verification for sign up ziber?

Has anyone actually tried their application? I tried it calling my own VOIP account. And it connects! Voice is also clear. Just so everyone knows Ziber is actually a working product.
Screenshot for proof.
https://i.imgur.com/ELCOs70.png

VOIP is possible for many years already, but where do they integrate it with the blockchain?

We need SLACK or Telegram. Can you send invites?

Also, I have a MAC and cannot run the current Ziber APP. How do I claim the Bonus then?

It says Ziber is almost ready. What does this mean?
What steps are not done yet?
What will you do with the collected Ether?

We need SLACK or Telegram. Can you send invites?

Also, I have a MAC and cannot run the current Ziber APP. How do I claim the Bonus then?

Nice idea. Will there be a client for a wallet?

How much Ziber that i got for 1 eth during ICO dev? with 100M supply and the ICO only runing for 10 days, you're really so confident dev

Interesting. A little question about bonus. How much coins I will receive, if I have for example 5 btc ?

Send me your email for slack invitation. We have telegram channel link on top of the thread, its open. You can ask your questions in our thread.

How long ICO will lasts?

If use the local phone service freely, is there any potential conflict with local phone service provider?

How many tokens are needed for a masternode?

I had a quick look at your whitepaper. Wouldn't there be a need for your system that you own a proxy server for rerouting free calls in almost every country in order for it to work? Because most of the times free calls are on the same provider in the same country. Or did I miss something.

Hey guys i have some questions... Will this provide a new telecomunication service over a blockchain, or will i only use this service to "rent" a local mobile to be able to save money on roaming costs? In this way i still need a mobile operator am i right? Thanks for clarifying these questions

i want to get free token . how ?

This is the third time I am inquiring about SLACK and already sent you my email for invitation.

Also, what about us MAC users? How can we claim the bonus since there is no Ziber for MAC.

Invite sent. App for MAC will released on ICO launch day.

You do not rent a number, you use any phone from the Ziber network as a proxy and pay tokens for this. The user who provided his phone receives Ziber tokens.

OK i think i understand now... Similar to a VPN but for mobiles and works via internet, so you dont need to have a mobile operator, you can use any mobile connected to an internet access point.. Am i correct? Thanks again for your answers

Dev are you open bounty? And newbi can join?

I downloaded and used Ziber a couple times during the past few days and I must honestly say this seems to be the best thing that has ever happened in international telephony in my opinion. It's much easier to use than Skype (that I stopped using a while ago), and, believing the white paper, will be cheaper than Viber (my international telephony program at the moment).

I would love to do your French translation, if you would like me to. The details of my qualifications are in my signature.

I like the idea but what about if someone uses my phone for any malicious purposes?  What will happen next?  What do I tell cops or even the FBI if they come hunting for me because of something a user did that used my phone did or said to someone where i had no idea what just took place?  I mean, the odea and concept os great, just how are you coing to curtail or even control these kind of abuses?

Is this service/solution anonymous?

Can people will be able to use any type of cell phone?
What is the minimum requirement in terms of ROM/RAM memory and capacity of the cell phone to be able to operate as a proxy?

Also, I was not able to make a phone call yesterday from a laptop, is there a special way of dialing from the USA to other countries?

Hi there. Can you answer one cuestion? It's possible for Ziber enteryв epy communications market with no hard competition from the side other companies? In other words, is your project so unique that it doesn't have competetive analogies?

About the analogue was written a little higher, but in ziber are obviously more advantages at the moment.

I have one question for now. Dev, How can i add my ETH or BTC wallet to Ziber account?

Thanks, but French translation already reserved.

When we can get mobile app?

Hi there,

This seems like a really nice and promising project. Congratulations! Do you need Dutch translation of the thread, whitepaper or website?
I am a professional native Dutch translator and crypto blogger. If you need Dutch translation or blogposts (English or Dutch) please send me a PM.

Keep up the good work

Best regards,

Tell me pls can we send messages via Ziber and if we can how much it will be cost?

I join the question. Devs, what about the messages?

What price will be for 1 ziber?

0.001 eth

We have 1 million pounds minimum target cap and 10 millions pounds maximum target cap. We have 80 million tokens for sale. So its at the current exchange rate 0,0125 GBP min and 0,125 GBP max. Or 0,0006625 ETH and 0,00006625 ETH similarly.

so i downloaded the app, but it is not allowing me to link my btc wallets......will that be available on a later date?

also phone calls didnt work, just doesnt connect.

and why is this a self moderated thread?

Hi Admin, Any social media bounty campaign?

but recently you wrote the following (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008297.msg20017502#msg20017502)


so 0.001 eth or from 0,00006625 eth to 0,0006625 eth? or did I not understand something?

I looked through the project. That might be interesting, but still there are many doubts about whether it will work as you've said.

According to my own experience there are many swindlers. Now I'm searching for hidden disadvantages of the project.
Do u give an guarantee about  dividing tokens among everyone who has given their wallets ? And will we have use these tokens after 3 month?  

which way will the program sort out the calls through the proxy servers?

Hi,

1. Will there be a Linux client?
2. Can we link btc/eth wallets after the ICO starts (and after you took the snapshot?)
3. Can we prove btc address ownership just by signing a message instead of micropayment? A micropayment will create a change address which could generate other problems for users.
4. The eth address  to which the tokens will be distributed can be from exodus, or it should be some ziber/ethereum specific wallet? Isn't the client also an wallet so you can distribute tokens to that address?

Our software is very well optimized and will work on almost any smartphone, it is not demanding on resources.
You can call to any country. Format for dialing E.164 (international format)
<Country_Code> <City_Code> <SubscriberNumber>

When I make a phone call I get a message: "not found". Perhaps I need to reset my laptop and open the program again?
Why don't you type a real example how to dial?

Maybe there is something to configure at settings?

Optimal calls algorithms are prescribed. Rule settings. The call will be either free (for the owner of the phone) or cost very little

This seems like a great project. Will there be an escrow for the ICO?  And what's the difference with this project to other Hedge Funding Projects out there?

We are not anonymous, you can see our faces on the site, video with us at speeches at conferences, you can come to our office and talk with us.
We have a legal entity - Ziber LTD.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10830406
We have a working software unlike other projects. And we do not sell air!
We do not understand the forums and generally how it work.
Here for example we were thrown on 6 bitcoins for renting banners on this forum. His nickname "Theymos listing" and he is removed from the forum.
https://insight.bitpay.com/tx/899607d8bc8f3ffb5dbcc30a6c7636bb74a48ea60137d004c1d0beb4b9e24c66

Real "theymos" send us temporary BTC wallet. And when I asked him: Why he doesnt sent constant one, which is in his signature? he goes offline.

Will your company's offices appear in other countries, for example, USA?

In white paper it is written that "With the attraction of £10 million, the ICO will be completed within 24 hours". Why did the maximum threshold of 10 million? After all, you can make unlimited fees, especially ICO for only 10 days. Suddenly the project will be able to cross the maximum threshold and collect even more funds that will help to grow even better.

In white paper it is written that "With the attraction of £10 million, the ICO will be completed within 24 hours". Why did the maximum threshold of 10 million? After all, you can make unlimited fees, especially ICO for only 10 days. Suddenly the project will be able to cross the maximum threshold and collect even more funds that will help to grow even better.

Because an excessive influx of money will hamper development. 10 million is enough for us. It is better for us to finish ICO as soon as possible, when we get enough money. We want to be powerful and fast as a tiger.

How soon will be done application for iphone and android ?

Who already used? For me it's hard. I can not understand. Can I call in any country, on any phone?

This will depend on the balance of the pegged purses

Hi!  :) Willthe Ziber tokens be used like Skype credits? Any other uses for it?

Unfortunately there are a lot of scammers now. But to me the project inspires confidence. Because everything is open to users. All conditions are published.....

Can I add my credit card as a payment metod to Ziber or it works only with virtual wallets?

tokens can be sold or used to make calls via ziber. Or do you want to sell ziber tokens and use them in skype?  ;D ;D

Believe that it will be useful for people. But We all have the Internet and now I guess It more comfortable for communication.  :)

I'm sorry but the project really sounds copy cat to me. You could have found a creative name instead of Viber imitation name. This is really pitty if you're a serious team.

Will you participate or organize any other conferences? It would be interesting to visit

Do you have a bounty program? I would like to participate. Also, I cannot join to your slack team...

I'm sorry but the project really sounds copy cat to me. You could have found a creative name instead of Viber imitation name. This is really pitty if you're a serious team.

I can agree with you Yes but consider the fact that most businesses pay for these kind of services. One great example is Viber. You can do free calls yes but there is a payment if you use Viber services to call a cellphone number. And they have a table comparing the rates from other that provide same services.

I wonder what the technology behind this but this line caught my attention. Thanks to the whitepaper, my question has been answered. This project is similar with Encryptotel.And with the recent success of Encryptotel ICO, the same also for this project. Will definitely participate.

More project coming in the crypto economy these days and some are almost alike. Ain't this just like the Encryptotel project but with different direction?
The ICO will only run for 10 days, the marketing must be really good so how much is your minimum target cap?

Why I can't make a phone call from laptop? dialing like this: + country code + area code + 8 digits of phone number

Why I can't make a phone call from laptop? dialing like this: + country code + area code + 8 digits of phone number

interesting question. I also want to know the answer.... But in any case tokens can be purchased with a credit card

We are going after the $90 billion market that grows an average 10% per year. And we get a significant market share that stimulates even more the growth of the market itself based on a drastic reduction in call costs.

this sounds very interesting! I phone a looooot so I like this
few questions though.
if im a woman can i earn more?
if i earn daily do i earn bonuses?
thanks
ZIBER

this sounds very interesting! I phone a looooot so I like this
few questions though.
if im a woman can i earn more?
if i earn daily do i earn bonuses?
thanks
ZIBER

Thanks, but French translation already reserved.

Perhaps the question was already raised, but I did not notice. The existing telecom operators will not interfere with the implementation of your project?

Ziber is that the name based on Uber or Viber? Or you have already cooperated? Can't get why the name sounds very close to these two. :-\
You have no imagination

this sounds very interesting! I phone a looooot so I like this
few questions though.
if im a woman can i earn more?
if i earn daily do i earn bonuses?
thanks
ZIBER

Look,it's easy. Try to bind your eth wallet and you can call anywhere. Now calls are free, don't miss your chance to try.

Will there be a PC version for Mac OS? If so, how soon?

When exchange start?

seems to be right after the ICO.

Hello every one

I've tried to call and everything was fine, the quality is good. No complaints.
Program interface fell short of expectations, as it was mentioned earlier.
The project was created pretty well. There are some doubts about the blocking of connection by authorities or providers. Hopefully, developers should have thought about that in advance. In addition, I will lose nothing taking part in ICO.
 Looking forward for start.

Thanks

but remember that free tokens can be traded only after three months. exchange right after the ICO will be tokens that you bought. hope that three months after ico will be effective for ziber  ;)

Guys. Is it possible to earn money on ziber? How to do it? Explain please. I really want to rent out my phone. Thank you.

Excellent product, I look forward to participating in ICO. I hope to go to the moon!  ;D ;D ;D

Perhaps the question was already raised, but I did not notice. The existing telecom operators will not interfere with the implementation of your project?

Friends, I can not call from ziber. The call does not go away. What to do?   ???

Hi, How to know or verify that calls are going to be end to end encrypted? and no one can interfere?

Is there a social media bounty program for this project or will t be soon?

Friends, I can not call from ziber. The call does not go away. What to do?   ???

Guys. Is it possible to earn money on ziber? How to do it? Explain please. I really want to rent out my phone. Thank you.

Do you think the future for ziber? I want to participate in ICO

By the way, I can not understand how to add my wallets to the ziber. It should be bitcoin or etherium? Or both?

By the way, I can not understand how to add my wallets to the ziber. It should be bitcoin or etherium? Or both?

Bonuses will be distributed equally among those who entered their wallets in the program?

Bonuses will be distributed equally among those who entered their wallets in the program?

Hi guys,

I confess that since I read the thread I would be very tempted to participate to the ICO. However, considering that this world is made of scammers and it's important to be careful, there are some aspects that I would like to clarify before making my decision.


1) First of all, I have seen this web site:  www.zibernet.com/voip-systems  
My question: don't you mind choosing "Ziber" as name for your project when there is already a company that has the same name and who deals with VOIP?

2)I checked facebook looking for members of your team. Isn't  it a bit strange that I didn't even find one? Apart from Mark Braun, whose profile was created a few days ago.

3) I've entered your names even on google but without great results. Kaufman, Braun and so on: nothing

I am ready to apologize if you will convince me that I did not look good enough

Hi guys,

I confess that since I read the thread I would be very tempted to participate to the ICO. However, considering that this world is made of scammers and it's important to be careful, there are some aspects that I would like to clarify before making my decision.


1) First of all, I have seen this web site:  www.zibernet.com/voip-systems  
My question: don't you mind choosing "Ziber" as name for your project when there is already a company that has the same name and who deals with VOIP?

2)I checked facebook looking for members of your team. Isn't  it a bit strange that I didn't even find one? Apart from Mark Braun, whose profile was created a few days ago.

3) I've entered your names even on google but without great results. Kaufman, Braun and so on: nothing

I am ready to apologize if you will convince me that I did not look good enough

will I be able to use my  phone number at the same time with another person using it as a proxy server?

I was at a conference in London, I met the organizers of the project. These are quite real people. Do not worry. 8)

Hi

Just to clarify: the cofounder and CEO of TokenMarket is Ransu Salovaara

Thank you

Hi

Just to clarify: the cofounder and CEO of TokenMarket is Ransu Salovaara

Thank you

Ziber deleting scam accusation comments

TOKENMARCET = TOKEN MARCETING!!!!

NOT tokenmarket.net


This is the name of the POSITION


Michael Cordy = https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelcordy1/



We really morons to hang a left photo on a well-known company ?????


TOKENMARCET => TOKEN MARCETING!!!!  FIXED!

Marceting lol ?
You wrote token market

Negative rep coming
Separate scam accusation thread opened

We are developers of the Ziber. Revolutionary project based on blockchain technology. Ziber taking a huge part of the market, owned by Skype and Viber today.

This is a scam , stay away

I will focus on this matter,and explain at Chinese ANN post.btw,I want to believe in Ziber.so give them some time to prove.

The code is also incomplete .

We are developers of the Ziber. Revolutionary project based on blockchain technology. Ziber taking a huge part of the market, owned by Skype and Viber today.

Everything is ok. He is misunderstood us and annoyed us.
misterbones and BrBoy We are waiting for an apology

LOL I am not going to apologize for that truth plus you have been deleting my comments which means that you are scared as you are a scam \




SCAM !! STAY AWAY

LOL I am not going to apologize for that truth plus you have been deleting my comments which means that you are scared as you are a scam \




SCAM !! STAY AWAY

Here is the thread :-


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2040411.msg20306229#msg20306229

Are you from competitors? ;D ;D

Nope , I am an Investor .

https://twitter.com/VerthagOG

https://medium.com/@VerthagOG

https://www.tradingview.com/u/VerthagOG/

I do not want to offend anyone, but the project in my opinion will fail. Operators of communication will react to the project not so well. It's their money.  :'(

Scam Accusation .

First Proof :-
Token Market
The CEO of Token Market is Ransu Salovaara
https://s14.postimg.org/fmyphjb4x/wold.png

It is given as Micheal Cordy 


Confirmation :- https://tokenmarket.net/team
https://s22.postimg.org/yff5sr0b5/wubq.png


Second Proof :-
The social network profiles are new and made few days back
They don't have any online trail


Third Proof :-

Github code is all wrong
They don't know how to code
The github is a mess , anyone who knows coding know this . The files are not in proper manner and when you look into the files it is just one code commit .

https://github.com/ZiberLTD/windows

https://s24.postimg.org/8jj5p70ed/woelq.png

https://s2.postimg.org/gv5awkmqx/woelq.png

https://s12.postimg.org/m0b5m110d/woelq.png

---

Nope , I am an Investor .

https://twitter.com/VerthagOG

https://medium.com/@VerthagOG

https://www.tradingview.com/u/VerthagOG/

1. Some companies are choosing similar names. We didnt hear about that company.
2. Links to our team:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelcordy1/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonwhitethego2consultant/
https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpp.userapi.com%2Fc840220%2Fv840220326%2F11563%2FYMbLmaAKRqE.jpg&t=578&c=Dhhh3A6OgFR-jA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDIhEiqCqyQ

We all real people and you can come to our office. Our company:
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10830406
3. We did not do PR and promote ourselves in Google. We are more used to doing real work and developing software.

TOKENMARKET = TOKEN MARKETING!!!!

NOT tokenmarket.net


This is the name of the POSITION


Michael Cordy = https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelcordy1/



We really morons to hang a left photo on a well-known company ?????


TOKENMARKET => TOKEN MARKETING!!!!  FIXED!

Well what does the grammar have to do with the case. The main thing is that the product was good and worked as it should. I follow the project with pleasure!

Odd, how most, if not all those fond of Ziber pen similarly, eh?



Yep, in some alternate universe, is = isn't.  ::) ::) ::)

1)An Accusation of the incorrect translation
Support service is working almost 24/7.
We were hired to this job and and sometimes we answer to emails. English is not my native language!

2)About wrong translation again.
You can point to particular mistakes and we will fix them.

The website was moderated by hired worker and maybe we just have not checked it properly.

The software itself is more important for us.

3)One more time about tokenmarket.
No one knew about that company.
Tokenmarket is just the name of the appointment.

If you do not trust us, let's just ask directly. Maybe you want a video confirmation from Cody?

We wrote 5 times on the tokenmarket about the placement of tokens, all letters were in ignores, I guess. Maybe they place only their own tokens. (You need to check it on the forum)

Why did not we write that Cody is from Ethereum foundation?Or Google or Skype?Because it was almost impossible to check, if he really is.

4)Have you seen our software?It is working and you can actually make calls.

Have you seen our developers? They have supported SIP programs more than 4 years.

So, if we have the real and working soft, what is the point of cheating?

Tomorrow or the day after, the smart contract will be laid out. You can learn it before the payment.
You can even get free tokens!


What is the problem to make and distribute tokens for us?
Moreover, you have seen the whole team. We participated in 2 conferences and we have photos and videos.

We do not remove posts, everyone can write what he wants. But the active minority just always tries to impose their point of view.

I ask people to be cautious. Fake Ziber websites appeared.
Links are spreading over social networks and reddit.

Use only the real address of Ziber.io (http://Ziber.io) (check the SSL certificate - there should be specified Ziber LTD. Comodo checked our papers and office and after that issued such a certificate).

1)An Accusation of the incorrect translation
Support service is working almost 24/7.
We were hired to this job and and sometimes we answer to emails. English is not my native language!

2)About wrong translation again.
You can point to particular mistakes and we will fix them.

The website was moderated by hired worker and maybe we just have not checked it properly.

The software itself is more important for us.

3)One more time about tokenmarket.
No one knew about that company.
Tokenmarket is just the name of the appointment.

If you do not trust us, let's just ask directly. Maybe you want a video confirmation from Cody?

We wrote 5 times on the tokenmarket about the placement of tokens, all letters were in ignores, I guess. Maybe they place only their own tokens. (You need to check it on the forum)

Why did not we write that Cody is from Ethereum foundation?Or Google or Skype?Because it was almost impossible to check, if he really is.

4)Have you seen our software?It is working and you can actually make calls.

Have you seen our developers? They have supported SIP programs more than 4 years.

So, if we have the real and working soft, what is the point of cheating?

Tomorrow or the day after, the smart contract will be laid out. You can learn it before the payment.
You can even get free tokens!


What is the problem to make and distribute tokens for us?
Moreover, you have seen the whole team. We participated in 2 conferences and we have photos and videos.

We do not remove posts, everyone can write what he wants. But the active minority just always tries to impose their point of view.

I ask people to be cautious. Fake Ziber websites appeared.
Links are spreading over social networks and reddit.

Use only the real address of Ziber.io (http://Ziber.io) (check the SSL certificate - there should be specified Ziber LTD. Comodo checked our papers and office and after that issued such a certificate).

maybe it is just me , but it is not possible for me to make phonecalls with that program and i tryed a lot

How to participate in the distribution of 10% of tokens? Can i figure out how many tokens will come?

Explain more specifically about the distribution of 10%?
The application has downloaded and is using.

maybe it is just me , but it is not possible for me to make phonecalls with that program and i tryed a lot

I've seen many projects that don't have any code at all, but only a whitepaper. And no one had even suspicions. But here people provided the code. Personally I am interested, despite some negative

Did I understand correctly that now I can't add my BTC/ETH wallet in Ziber app? Is it necessary to do this on July 27?

How to install? How to start using?

How to install? How to start using?

Well what does the grammar have to do with the case. The main thing is that the product was good and worked as it should. I follow the project with pleasure!

What do you think, will pump? At developers of 10% of tokens, they are directly interested in increase of the price. I will participate in the ICO.

some fake  users crying for job and post false acusation thats all

Ziber when you going to have an office in the carribean. ?

Hello
Your arguments make sense. I thought that ziber is a scam at the first sight. Because I just made superficial opinion which was based on some reviews and information on the forum . 
But when I try to use your app, I was very impressed. It works really qualitatively. So I have no reason not to believe in ziber.
Respect for developers!

thanks

It is same for me as well. I just downloaded the wallet to try free call but didn't work for me. There is some message come out not in English so can't understand, but it failed to connect the line. I tried few numbers and couple of countries all didn't work. It looks like product still in very early stage. They shouldn't have mentioned on their site try free calls.

I confess that since I read the thread I would be very tempted to participate to the ZIBER ICO. However, considering that this world is made of scammers and it's important to be careful, there are some aspects that I would like to clarify before making my decision.

Like I said i want to buy some of u coins but I really don’t know way should I do that, we already have like 100 fake coins ore coins DEVS that tried too fuck us.

so what is new about ZIBER coin, how match btc are u training to get, and if I have like 1000 + BTC HOW MATCH ZIBERCOINS DO I GET.

https://i.imgur.com/LUoHqkL.png


I can not follow everything, I'm trying to help users work with Ziber.
I will answer further only questions in substance


Thank you for using our software! With best regards, Ziber Support.

https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/4349ad7381c2310538a7e30b166ad2ba560ddbfcc32af2292fce553c7109477a/analysis/

Analysis date:   2017-07-23 13:48:49 UTC ( 6 hours, 14 minutes ago )

https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/4349ad7381c2310538a7e30b166ad2ba560ddbfcc32af2292fce553c7109477a/analysis/

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Gleb Gamow
I don’t ask anyone to write anything........
I’ve showed you that I get private messages.
This forum is a mess  :o :o :o :o
If you get any specific questions about the operation of the program or anything else, you can let me know here.
I have a lot of work, dozens of unanswered emails. Sorry!
Can I invite you to London? We'll buy you a ticket (and pay for accommodation) and you will be with us when the ICO starts.
At the same time we will have some time to test the program and write a review.

Just like Leroy Fodor, when the shit hits the fan, declare this forum as a USELESS piece of shit, the same forum where only a few days ago we were all your friends in hoping of sending you some ICO moolah.

I bet you can explain why you masked out that one user's name but not the other one, can you? How's that for an "anything else" specific question?

I think it's a real project not a scam. And hopefully this project goes well :)

That he was comfortable (private messages)
But its not so hard to find, right?
The invitation to London is valid. Agree, it will be fun))

I did not ask.
He wrote to me in a private message. I made a general discussion. So I hid the nickname

//I'm just a Support! I'm here to help with petty matters!
I get paid for the work.
You are ready to eat me for any word

https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/4349ad7381c2310538a7e30b166ad2ba560ddbfcc32af2292fce553c7109477a/analysis/

=============================
Gleb Gamow
I don’t ask anyone to write anything........
I’ve showed you that I get private messages.
This forum is a mess  :o :o :o :o
If you get any specific questions about the operation of the program or anything else, you can let me know here.
I have a lot of work, dozens of unanswered emails. Sorry!
Can I invite you to London? We'll buy you a ticket (and pay for accommodation) and you will be with us when the ICO starts.
At the same time we will have some time to test the program and write a review.

The invitation to London is valid. Agree, it will be fun))

I was told that I could invite anyone to visit us in London.
I did this for the first time yesterday in a chat of icocountdown telegrams

Please do not write in big red letters, otherwise I will have to delete your messages.
Everyone has a beautiful vision and can read all the usual letters.


http://microsip.org/  - please see. this our secret coders)) I can ask for a meeting or a video with them. anything

So, you can invite anyone to London and their trip would be paid for, eh? Dude, that doesn't even begin to come across as believable.

That said, I do believe you when you say that everyone has a beautiful vision. Formerly, I - for some weird ass reason - was under the belief that some people wore glasses to read et al., but thanks to your wonderful insight in setting our asses straight, eyeglasses are worn for looks and NOT due to subpar vision by anybody on the planet.

Exactly how do you get the gig to be Ziber's spokesperson? Did Ziber have a contest and awarded the position to the person having the most bought alts on BCT?

I still can't get over how Ziber's lead dude has never mentioned crypto et al. on his LinkedIn page, nor how Ziber's marketing guru has also never mentioned crypto et al. on his Twitter page. TBC, neither have mentioned Ziber on their social media sites like it's taboo or something.

Why Ziber has a negative rating

Why Ziber has a negative rating

In white paper it is written that "With the attraction of £10 million, the ICO will be completed within 24 hours". Why did the maximum threshold of 10 million? After all, you can make unlimited fees, especially ICO for only 10 days. Suddenly the project will be able to cross the maximum threshold and collect even more funds that will help to grow even better.

I use ziber third day, everything works fine, the quality of communication is good, I look forward to ICO, I have many acquaintances who will also participate. I wish the team good luck!

Wanted to give everyone a heads up.  My account bgibso01 has been hacked.  As such, don't have any dealings with it as I have no control over it.  I've been trying to find if there is anyone on the boards to contact, but have not seen a place to report it.

Looks like it's happened since July 17th as that was my last post before the hacked one showed up yesterday pumping some program.

I guess it was bound to happen, and at least I had 4 good years with it.

If you invested 40k plus (3200btc that would now be worth a shit ton) I think you would have a different tune. I've learned that buying coin and holding is the way to go.. You don't have to tell me 2 err i mean 3 times...

Nice, 2 days left. Any more news?

I still think this is legit and they just had bad luck because some scammer copied their site at https://ziber.co.
I've seen a screenshot of their client above and instantly noticed that it looked like https://www.microsip.org.
I first thought they just ripped the code and added their logo, but the site also mentions Ziber, and MicroSIP is a long-standing, reliable project.
Also, while people would obviously kill for a few millions, does this really look like a scam to you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDIhEiqCqyQ
Just registered to post that because I saw the discussion on reddit, I hope I don't get flamed to death for being a "fake account" or something.
The tone here is abysmal, could you bring this back to normal standards and provide actual facts? There are a lot of quiet readers (like me, until now).

Man what a mess this ICO is (says a newbie account *hides*)

The (horrible) language in the whitepaper is similar to ziber's 'community manager'. Additionally, why would ziber hire a community manager who can't form a normal English sentence?

Everything screams scam... but that makes me wonder how they got the pictures of the dude presenting.

Greetings everyone!

Here are many detective stories' fans and soap opera lovers. I want to tell you one detective soap opera story too...

From the very beginning our project Ziber refused from using Bounty as a way to draw more attention to the project. We decided that it will be better to create a really working product in advance and let all the rest speak for us. We have visited 2 conferences in London - CryptoFinancing 2017 and Fintechweek on July 13. At these events we were greeted with a warm welcome and understanding.
At the same time we started to send emails to various news websites and projects doing ICO listings, in order to tell people about us. Also we tried to contact tokenmarket.net many times, but we didn't get any response at all. (Please pay attention to this point)

Everything was going well until a massive harassment campaign began, targeting us. It started from this post:
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008297.msg20304037#msg20304037  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008297.msg20304037#msg20304037)
"Hi
Just to clarify: the cofounder and CEO of TokenMarket is Ransu Salovaara
Thank you"
 
And simultaneously with it there was made a screenshot of this message and an unknown person published it in the Telegram chat icocountdown, with the comment "Ziber Scam". After that just a little time has passed before several people started to attack us on the forum by writing negative reviews, they willing to tear me to pieces for a single inaccurate word.
I gave them a link to our presentation - they say it is fake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDIhEiqCqyQ
I gave them a link to our programmers (known since 2014) - they say it is also fake. https://www.microsip.org/
I gave them a link to our github profile where we have published the source code recently (note that the code was under development in private since 2016!) - and they were not

even able to compile the fully working code! And they say again that it is fake! https://github.com/ZiberLTD

So, what is the "cause" of claims?

Our website introduces several Ziber Team members:
Michael Cordy, as a Co-Founder and CEO Tokenmarket
Mark Braun, as a Founder and CEO
Michael Kaufman, as a Co-Founder and CTO
Jason White, as a Co-Founder Operations and Business.

Michael Cordy has came up with the "CEO Tokenmarket" title by himself, it was meant as a "CEO of Token marketing" and has nothing to do with the tokenmarket.net.
However it became a reason for accusing us of fraud, stating that we have intentionally used the "Tokenmarket.net" name. (Kinda dodgy enterprise I'd say, will tell why below)

If Tokenmarket.net did not like this ambiguous title they could just send us the email and we would fix this misunderstanding immediately. Instead of it they started a targeted harassment campaign with the help of professional trolls, haters, hacked and newly registered accounts.
However I could not claim that all the haters that were against us are fake - it is very likely that normal users could succumb to the influence of such a manipulator as Tokenmarket.net.
 
Let's dig deeper - why would Tokenmarket.net attack us? What is the root cause?

And the reason is: https://www.dentcoin.com – the idea is similar to Ziber, but they sell p2p traffic instead of voice calls.
The start of their fundraising program accidentally coincided with the Ziber project launch. And they gathered only 21k ETH from the planned 180k. Many people seem to decide to wait and invest their money into a really working product with the real people behind it!
So I think that we have ruined their ICO. Because we have presented more versatile product which is already implemented and can be used right away, while they will have to spend time to implement their product. This caused the hatred and the desire of revenge. To drive us out from the market and destroy us. And they chose very dirty ways to do it.


What is the Tokenmarket.net?

LATO: Liquidity Asset Token  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2012623.msg20051508#msg20051508 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2012623.msg20051508#msg20051508)
Exchange Union Coin: Bridging Digital Currency Exchanges Globally  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028383.msg20204617#msg20204617  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028383.msg20204617#msg20204617)
Topic: ANN [RCC] Reality Clash - First ARG Mobile Game with ERC-20 Armory https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036661.20  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036661.20)
And lots of others. Most of these projects don't have a working product! And their teams have never appeared anywhere in the public! It is most likely that Tokenmarket.net

creates all these projects itself, as even the CMS of many projects' websites is the same.
The only goal of these projects is to raise as much funds as possible!
Undoubtedly they take well-known projects and mask own nefarious purposes under them.
 
That's why they got so mad at us. Because we, the young team previously unknown to anyone here, suddenly appeared and ruined their ICO of Dentcoin. And we ruined it not by a heinous lies and intrigues but by presenting the quality product!

Who these trolls/manipulators are?

The major representative of the haters crowd is misterbones. Let's take a closer look at his messages:

---
  rise
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1445947.msg18330471#msg18330471 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1445947.msg18330471#msg18330471)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation: 0,004647 $
Price now: 0,077573 $


-----
  Humaniq
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1711764.msg18552426#msg18552426 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1711764.msg18552426#msg18552426)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,071905 $
Price now:0,163951 $

-------------
  Cryptoforecast
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1791709.msg18596414#msg18596414 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1791709.msg18596414#msg18596414)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,020473 $
Price now:0,17814$

-------------

His predictions come exactly the opposite - projects described as scam by misterbones in fact raise tenfold.


====
Gleb Gamov

1. Gleb stole the identity of a deceased person, Bruno, and posts everywhere the photo with a paper. Later the information appears that he was arrested for driving without a

license, also he has confirmed that he was convicted of rape of 14 years old girl.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg10987160#msg10987160 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg10987160#msg10987160)


2. Gleb has third account. This Gamov has scammed someone, and later got scammed himself as far as I understand.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg11266264#msg11266264 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg11266264#msg11266264)

3. a few more of his cases + his message about the racketeering by Bruno.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12639625#msg12639625 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12639625#msg12639625)


4. again about the racketeering, and advices on how to counter this Gamov, i.e. act like he does, collect any information possible, make screenshots, etc.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12647767#msg12647767 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12647767#msg12647767)


5. Leroy accused of scamming here. Someone paid to him and Gamov wrote that he is a scammer. Before that there were no single negative comment about Leroy - the claims were completely made up.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12698616#msg12698616 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12698616#msg12698616)

6. about another Bruno's account. This man wrote that he is a paid troll, fouls up any project.
https://bitcoinscamphinnaeusgage.blogspot.de/2014/08/phinnaeus-gage-story-of-internet-troll.html (https://bitcoinscamphinnaeusgage.blogspot.de/2014/08/phinnaeus-gage-story-of-internet-troll.html)

=========================


I just wanted to tell: think for yourself, don't make a decision under anyone's manipulations. Check everything up by yourself!

We are being attacked here, but I'm sure that we have created a great product and soon it will become as famous as Skype. Just let us some time!  

Greetings everyone!

Here are many detective stories' fans and soap opera lovers. I want to tell you one detective soap opera story too...

From the very beginning our project Ziber refused from using Bounty as a way to draw more attention to the project. We decided that it will be better to create a really working product in advance and let all the rest speak for us. We have visited 2 conferences in London - CryptoFinancing 2017 and Fintechweek on July 13. At these events we were greeted with a warm welcome and understanding.
At the same time we started to send emails to various news websites and projects doing ICO listings, in order to tell people about us. Also we tried to contact tokenmarket.net many times, but we didn't get any response at all. (Please pay attention to this point)

Everything was going well until a massive harassment campaign began, targeting us. It started from this post:
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008297.msg20304037#msg20304037  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008297.msg20304037#msg20304037)
"Hi
Just to clarify: the cofounder and CEO of TokenMarket is Ransu Salovaara
Thank you"
 
And simultaneously with it there was made a screenshot of this message and an unknown person published it in the Telegram chat icocountdown, with the comment "Ziber Scam". After that just a little time has passed before several people started to attack us on the forum by writing negative reviews, they willing to tear me to pieces for a single inaccurate word.
I gave them a link to our presentation - they say it is fake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDIhEiqCqyQ
I gave them a link to our programmers (known since 2014) - they say it is also fake. https://www.microsip.org/
I gave them a link to our github profile where we have published the source code recently (note that the code was under development in private since 2016!) - and they were not

even able to compile the fully working code! And they say again that it is fake! https://github.com/ZiberLTD

So, what is the "cause" of claims?

Our website introduces several Ziber Team members:
Michael Cordy, as a Co-Founder and CEO Tokenmarket
Mark Braun, as a Founder and CEO
Michael Kaufman, as a Co-Founder and CTO
Jason White, as a Co-Founder Operations and Business.

Michael Cordy has came up with the "CEO Tokenmarket" title by himself, it was meant as a "CEO of Token marketing" and has nothing to do with the tokenmarket.net.
However it became a reason for accusing us of fraud, stating that we have intentionally used the "Tokenmarket.net" name. (Kinda dodgy enterprise I'd say, will tell why below)

If Tokenmarket.net did not like this ambiguous title they could just send us the email and we would fix this misunderstanding immediately. Instead of it they started a targeted harassment campaign with the help of professional trolls, haters, hacked and newly registered accounts.
However I could not claim that all the haters that were against us are fake - it is very likely that normal users could succumb to the influence of such a manipulator as Tokenmarket.net.
 
Let's dig deeper - why would Tokenmarket.net attack us? What is the root cause?

And the reason is: https://www.dentcoin.com – the idea is similar to Ziber, but they sell p2p traffic instead of voice calls.
The start of their fundraising program accidentally coincided with the Ziber project launch. And they gathered only 21k ETH from the planned 180k. Many people seem to decide to wait and invest their money into a really working product with the real people behind it!
So I think that we have ruined their ICO. Because we have presented more versatile product which is already implemented and can be used right away, while they will have to spend time to implement their product. This caused the hatred and the desire of revenge. To drive us out from the market and destroy us. And they chose very dirty ways to do it.


What is the Tokenmarket.net?

LATO: Liquidity Asset Token  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2012623.msg20051508#msg20051508 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2012623.msg20051508#msg20051508)
Exchange Union Coin: Bridging Digital Currency Exchanges Globally  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028383.msg20204617#msg20204617  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028383.msg20204617#msg20204617)
Topic: ANN [RCC] Reality Clash - First ARG Mobile Game with ERC-20 Armory https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036661.20  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036661.20)
And lots of others. Most of these projects don't have a working product! And their teams have never appeared anywhere in the public! It is most likely that Tokenmarket.net

creates all these projects itself, as even the CMS of many projects' websites is the same.
The only goal of these projects is to raise as much funds as possible!
Undoubtedly they take well-known projects and mask own nefarious purposes under them.
 
That's why they got so mad at us. Because we, the young team previously unknown to anyone here, suddenly appeared and ruined their ICO of Dentcoin. And we ruined it not by a heinous lies and intrigues but by presenting the quality product!

Who these trolls/manipulators are?

The major representative of the haters crowd is misterbones. Let's take a closer look at his messages:

---
  rise
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1445947.msg18330471#msg18330471 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1445947.msg18330471#msg18330471)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation: 0,004647 $
Price now: 0,077573 $


-----
  Humaniq
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1711764.msg18552426#msg18552426 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1711764.msg18552426#msg18552426)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,071905 $
Price now:0,163951 $

-------------
  Cryptoforecast
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1791709.msg18596414#msg18596414 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1791709.msg18596414#msg18596414)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,020473 $
Price now:0,17814$

-------------

His predictions come exactly the opposite - projects described as scam by misterbones in fact raise tenfold.


====
Gleb Gamov

1. Gleb stole the identity of a deceased person, Bruno, and posts everywhere the photo with a paper. Later the information appears that he was arrested for driving without a

license, also he has confirmed that he was convicted of rape of 14 years old girl.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg10987160#msg10987160 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg10987160#msg10987160)


2. Gleb has third account. This Gamov has scammed someone, and later got scammed himself as far as I understand.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg11266264#msg11266264 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg11266264#msg11266264)

3. a few more of his cases + his message about the racketeering by Bruno.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12639625#msg12639625 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12639625#msg12639625)


4. again about the racketeering, and advices on how to counter this Gamov, i.e. act like he does, collect any information possible, make screenshots, etc.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12647767#msg12647767 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12647767#msg12647767)


5. Leroy accused of scamming here. Someone paid to him and Gamov wrote that he is a scammer. Before that there were no single negative comment about Leroy - the claims were

completely made up.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12698616#msg12698616 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12698616#msg12698616)

6. about another Bruno's account. This man wrote that he is a paid troll, fouls up any project.
https://bitcoinscamphinnaeusgage.blogspot.de/2014/08/phinnaeus-gage-story-of-internet-troll.html (https://bitcoinscamphinnaeusgage.blogspot.de/2014/08/phinnaeus-gage-story-of-internet-troll.html)

=========================


I just wanted to tell: think for yourself, don't make a decision under anyone's manipulations. Check everything up by yourself!

We are being attacked here, but I'm sure that we have created a great product and soon it will become as famous as Skype. Just let us some time!  

Greetings everyone!

Here are many detective stories' fans and soap opera lovers. I want to tell you one detective soap opera story too...

From the very beginning our project Ziber refused from using Bounty as a way to draw more attention to the project. We decided that it will be better to create a really working product in advance and let all the rest speak for us. We have visited 2 conferences in London - CryptoFinancing 2017 and Fintechweek on July 13. At these events we were greeted with a warm welcome and understanding.
At the same time we started to send emails to various news websites and projects doing ICO listings, in order to tell people about us. Also we tried to contact tokenmarket.net many times, but we didn't get any response at all. (Please pay attention to this point)

Everything was going well until a massive harassment campaign began, targeting us. It started from this post:
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008297.msg20304037#msg20304037  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008297.msg20304037#msg20304037)
"Hi
Just to clarify: the cofounder and CEO of TokenMarket is Ransu Salovaara
Thank you"
 
And simultaneously with it there was made a screenshot of this message and an unknown person published it in the Telegram chat icocountdown, with the comment "Ziber Scam". After that just a little time has passed before several people started to attack us on the forum by writing negative reviews, they willing to tear me to pieces for a single inaccurate word.
I gave them a link to our presentation - they say it is fake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDIhEiqCqyQ
I gave them a link to our programmers (known since 2014) - they say it is also fake. https://www.microsip.org/
I gave them a link to our github profile where we have published the source code recently (note that the code was under development in private since 2016!) - and they were not

even able to compile the fully working code! And they say again that it is fake! https://github.com/ZiberLTD

So, what is the "cause" of claims?

Our website introduces several Ziber Team members:
Michael Cordy, as a Co-Founder and CEO Tokenmarket
Mark Braun, as a Founder and CEO
Michael Kaufman, as a Co-Founder and CTO
Jason White, as a Co-Founder Operations and Business.

Michael Cordy has came up with the "CEO Tokenmarket" title by himself, it was meant as a "CEO of Token marketing" and has nothing to do with the tokenmarket.net.
However it became a reason for accusing us of fraud, stating that we have intentionally used the "Tokenmarket.net" name. (Kinda dodgy enterprise I'd say, will tell why below)

If Tokenmarket.net did not like this ambiguous title they could just send us the email and we would fix this misunderstanding immediately. Instead of it they started a targeted harassment campaign with the help of professional trolls, haters, hacked and newly registered accounts.
However I could not claim that all the haters that were against us are fake - it is very likely that normal users could succumb to the influence of such a manipulator as Tokenmarket.net.
 
Let's dig deeper - why would Tokenmarket.net attack us? What is the root cause?

And the reason is: https://www.dentcoin.com – the idea is similar to Ziber, but they sell p2p traffic instead of voice calls.
The start of their fundraising program accidentally coincided with the Ziber project launch. And they gathered only 21k ETH from the planned 180k. Many people seem to decide to wait and invest their money into a really working product with the real people behind it!
So I think that we have ruined their ICO. Because we have presented more versatile product which is already implemented and can be used right away, while they will have to spend time to implement their product. This caused the hatred and the desire of revenge. To drive us out from the market and destroy us. And they chose very dirty ways to do it.


What is the Tokenmarket.net?

LATO: Liquidity Asset Token  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2012623.msg20051508#msg20051508 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2012623.msg20051508#msg20051508)
Exchange Union Coin: Bridging Digital Currency Exchanges Globally  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028383.msg20204617#msg20204617  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028383.msg20204617#msg20204617)
Topic: ANN [RCC] Reality Clash - First ARG Mobile Game with ERC-20 Armory https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036661.20  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036661.20)
And lots of others. Most of these projects don't have a working product! And their teams have never appeared anywhere in the public! It is most likely that Tokenmarket.net

creates all these projects itself, as even the CMS of many projects' websites is the same.
The only goal of these projects is to raise as much funds as possible!
Undoubtedly they take well-known projects and mask own nefarious purposes under them.
 
That's why they got so mad at us. Because we, the young team previously unknown to anyone here, suddenly appeared and ruined their ICO of Dentcoin. And we ruined it not by a heinous lies and intrigues but by presenting the quality product!

Who these trolls/manipulators are?

The major representative of the haters crowd is misterbones. Let's take a closer look at his messages:

---
  rise
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1445947.msg18330471#msg18330471 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1445947.msg18330471#msg18330471)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation: 0,004647 $
Price now: 0,077573 $


-----
  Humaniq
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1711764.msg18552426#msg18552426 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1711764.msg18552426#msg18552426)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,071905 $
Price now:0,163951 $

-------------
  Cryptoforecast
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1791709.msg18596414#msg18596414 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1791709.msg18596414#msg18596414)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,020473 $
Price now:0,17814$

-------------

His predictions come exactly the opposite - projects described as scam by misterbones in fact raise tenfold.


====
Gleb Gamov

1. Gleb stole the identity of a deceased person, Bruno, and posts everywhere the photo with a paper. Later the information appears that he was arrested for driving without a

license, also he has confirmed that he was convicted of rape of 14 years old girl.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg10987160#msg10987160 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg10987160#msg10987160)


2. Gleb has third account. This Gamov has scammed someone, and later got scammed himself as far as I understand.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg11266264#msg11266264 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg11266264#msg11266264)

3. a few more of his cases + his message about the racketeering by Bruno.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12639625#msg12639625 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12639625#msg12639625)


4. again about the racketeering, and advices on how to counter this Gamov, i.e. act like he does, collect any information possible, make screenshots, etc.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12647767#msg12647767 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12647767#msg12647767)


5. Leroy accused of scamming here. Someone paid to him and Gamov wrote that he is a scammer. Before that there were no single negative comment about Leroy - the claims were completely made up.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12698616#msg12698616 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12698616#msg12698616)

6. about another Bruno's account. This man wrote that he is a paid troll, fouls up any project.
https://bitcoinscamphinnaeusgage.blogspot.de/2014/08/phinnaeus-gage-story-of-internet-troll.html (https://bitcoinscamphinnaeusgage.blogspot.de/2014/08/phinnaeus-gage-story-of-internet-troll.html)

=========================


I just wanted to tell: think for yourself, don't make a decision under anyone's manipulations. Check everything up by yourself!

We are being attacked here, but I'm sure that we have created a great product and soon it will become as famous as Skype. Just let us some time!  

Greetings everyone!

Here are many detective stories' fans and soap opera lovers. I want to tell you one detective soap opera story too...

From the very beginning our project Ziber refused from using Bounty as a way to draw more attention to the project. We decided that it will be better to create a really working product in advance and let all the rest speak for us. We have visited 2 conferences in London - CryptoFinancing 2017 and Fintechweek on July 13. At these events we were greeted with a warm welcome and understanding.
At the same time we started to send emails to various news websites and projects doing ICO listings, in order to tell people about us. Also we tried to contact tokenmarket.net many times, but we didn't get any response at all. (Please pay attention to this point)

Everything was going well until a massive harassment campaign began, targeting us. It started from this post:
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008297.msg20304037#msg20304037  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008297.msg20304037#msg20304037)
"Hi
Just to clarify: the cofounder and CEO of TokenMarket is Ransu Salovaara
Thank you"
 
And simultaneously with it there was made a screenshot of this message and an unknown person published it in the Telegram chat icocountdown, with the comment "Ziber Scam". After that just a little time has passed before several people started to attack us on the forum by writing negative reviews, they willing to tear me to pieces for a single inaccurate word.
I gave them a link to our presentation - they say it is fake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDIhEiqCqyQ
I gave them a link to our programmers (known since 2014) - they say it is also fake. https://www.microsip.org/
I gave them a link to our github profile where we have published the source code recently (note that the code was under development in private since 2016!) - and they were not

even able to compile the fully working code! And they say again that it is fake! https://github.com/ZiberLTD

So, what is the "cause" of claims?

Our website introduces several Ziber Team members:
Michael Cordy, as a Co-Founder and CEO Tokenmarket
Mark Braun, as a Founder and CEO
Michael Kaufman, as a Co-Founder and CTO
Jason White, as a Co-Founder Operations and Business.

Michael Cordy has came up with the "CEO Tokenmarket" title by himself, it was meant as a "CEO of Token marketing" and has nothing to do with the tokenmarket.net.
However it became a reason for accusing us of fraud, stating that we have intentionally used the "Tokenmarket.net" name. (Kinda dodgy enterprise I'd say, will tell why below)

If Tokenmarket.net did not like this ambiguous title they could just send us the email and we would fix this misunderstanding immediately. Instead of it they started a targeted harassment campaign with the help of professional trolls, haters, hacked and newly registered accounts.
However I could not claim that all the haters that were against us are fake - it is very likely that normal users could succumb to the influence of such a manipulator as Tokenmarket.net.
 
Let's dig deeper - why would Tokenmarket.net attack us? What is the root cause?

And the reason is: https://www.dentcoin.com – the idea is similar to Ziber, but they sell p2p traffic instead of voice calls.
The start of their fundraising program accidentally coincided with the Ziber project launch. And they gathered only 21k ETH from the planned 180k. Many people seem to decide to wait and invest their money into a really working product with the real people behind it!
So I think that we have ruined their ICO. Because we have presented more versatile product which is already implemented and can be used right away, while they will have to spend time to implement their product. This caused the hatred and the desire of revenge. To drive us out from the market and destroy us. And they chose very dirty ways to do it.


What is the Tokenmarket.net?

LATO: Liquidity Asset Token  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2012623.msg20051508#msg20051508 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2012623.msg20051508#msg20051508)
Exchange Union Coin: Bridging Digital Currency Exchanges Globally  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028383.msg20204617#msg20204617  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028383.msg20204617#msg20204617)
Topic: ANN [RCC] Reality Clash - First ARG Mobile Game with ERC-20 Armory https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036661.20  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036661.20)
And lots of others. Most of these projects don't have a working product! And their teams have never appeared anywhere in the public! It is most likely that Tokenmarket.net

creates all these projects itself, as even the CMS of many projects' websites is the same.
The only goal of these projects is to raise as much funds as possible!
Undoubtedly they take well-known projects and mask own nefarious purposes under them.
 
That's why they got so mad at us. Because we, the young team previously unknown to anyone here, suddenly appeared and ruined their ICO of Dentcoin. And we ruined it not by a heinous lies and intrigues but by presenting the quality product!

Who these trolls/manipulators are?

The major representative of the haters crowd is misterbones. Let's take a closer look at his messages:

---
  rise
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1445947.msg18330471#msg18330471 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1445947.msg18330471#msg18330471)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation: 0,004647 $
Price now: 0,077573 $


-----
  Humaniq
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1711764.msg18552426#msg18552426 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1711764.msg18552426#msg18552426)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,071905 $
Price now:0,163951 $

-------------
  Cryptoforecast
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1791709.msg18596414#msg18596414 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1791709.msg18596414#msg18596414)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,020473 $
Price now:0,17814$

-------------

His predictions come exactly the opposite - projects described as scam by misterbones in fact raise tenfold.


====
Gleb Gamov

1. Gleb stole the identity of a deceased person, Bruno, and posts everywhere the photo with a paper. Later the information appears that he was arrested for driving without a

license, also he has confirmed that he was convicted of rape of 14 years old girl.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg10987160#msg10987160 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg10987160#msg10987160)


2. Gleb has third account. This Gamov has scammed someone, and later got scammed himself as far as I understand.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg11266264#msg11266264 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg11266264#msg11266264)

3. a few more of his cases + his message about the racketeering by Bruno.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12639625#msg12639625 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12639625#msg12639625)


4. again about the racketeering, and advices on how to counter this Gamov, i.e. act like he does, collect any information possible, make screenshots, etc.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12647767#msg12647767 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12647767#msg12647767)


5. Leroy accused of scamming here. Someone paid to him and Gamov wrote that he is a scammer. Before that there were no single negative comment about Leroy - the claims were completely made up.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12698616#msg12698616 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12698616#msg12698616)

6. about another Bruno's account. This man wrote that he is a paid troll, fouls up any project.
https://bitcoinscamphinnaeusgage.blogspot.de/2014/08/phinnaeus-gage-story-of-internet-troll.html (https://bitcoinscamphinnaeusgage.blogspot.de/2014/08/phinnaeus-gage-story-of-internet-troll.html)

=========================


I just wanted to tell: think for yourself, don't make a decision under anyone's manipulations. Check everything up by yourself!

We are being attacked here, but I'm sure that we have created a great product and soon it will become as famous as Skype. Just let us some time! 

Like totally WOW! I mean FUCKIN WOW! Fuckin wow as in TOTALLY MOTHERFUCKIN WOW!

I was reading the above as a person quasi in Camp Ziber, thinking the whole time during the read that finally Team Ziber is getting in front of the shitstorm brought on my a few, I hanging on to, and nodding in agreement of most every word. That was until you had to literally pick me up from the floor upon reaching the highlighted text above - on the floor due to lack of oxygen goin' to my brain caused by laughing my motherfuckin ass off.

Seriously, I Leroy Fodor honestly thought that the rift between Ziber and I had healed considering the last exchange I had with them via PM three days ago:


The above was a sincere olive branch extended, with since then no further communications between Ziber and I commenced, nor was I here in this thread dissing them unless, that is, me calling out other irregularities is considering dissing their brand. I'm takin' aback that the olive branch has been firmly stuck up my ass.

Talk about sealing one's fate, Ziber did just that by quoting Leroy Fodor as their NEW defense in demonstrating that Ziber is 100% to be trusted. Well, I really got news for you, Sunshine! After I post this comment, I'm using its entire content as proof positive that Ziber is not to be trusted, it acting as the OP on a newly created thread in the ... wait for it ... Scam section of this forum. But to fair, I will also post this comment in my recently created "unlocked" thread mirroring Leroy Fodor's locked thread depicting me a scammy ass, whereupon you'll be more than welcome to post accordingly (no memes unless it's I posting such), but please try to present your own facts in depicting me a sammy ass oppose to quoting Leroy Fodor quoting Joshua Zipkin because a wise man once said think for yourself, don't make a decision under anyone's manipulations. Check everything up by yourself!  ::) ::) ::)

Dude, my head is still cloudy as oxygen returns to my brain upon reading that your NEW defense that Ziber is not a scam is the sage words of cryptocurrency's number one serial liar, Leroy Fodor. Seriously, dudes? There was nary a speck of evidence you could've gleaned from all the writings found in the known universe to make your brand viable except of those by Leroy Fodor? Dude, you would've came out better ahead if you would've cited John Fitzpatrick (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1157231.0) or Marshall Long (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1303147.0), with it morer betterer if cited both in bringing cred to Ziber.

Even though I didn't steal a dead man's identity (my dad's), his dick was longer than mine, but I'm morer capable of sticking it deeper into the asses of those deserving it in this space, with Ziber being my new bitch. HAHAHA

Bruno Kucinskas

PS: Here's the deal. Simply provide proof that I was/am convicted of raping a 14 year old girl - or raping anybody (girl, boy, goat, etc. of any age) - and theymos has my permission to ban all of my 3,141 user accounts on this forum. This should be a fairly easy task for you, Team Ziber, for you just went on record in declaring such a truism, and there's no fuckin way that a viable entity in this space would espouse such a claim sans sound evidence to back it up, doing their due diligence prior to publishing said claim. If by happenstance - I know, a fuckin stretch - you lied, then please let me know that you're ready to remit to me my standard 35 BTC extortion fee, in this case we'll consider it compensation for damaging my brand if what's requested is not put forth.

To be clear, to show that the Ziber brand is a trusted entity, all they have to do is silence me by following up on one of your REAL claims that I was convicted of rape. It's that simple. Seriously, it's that simple! Show the proof that's readily available from the court that convicted me and Ziber is golden. Hey, to make your task that much morer easierer, so that you don't have to scour all the courts in the US or the world, the court you'll be looking for to glean the docs is in Nashville, TN, circa late 90s. BTW, if during your search you happen upon some article where I beat the shit outta some women, that wasn't me. That dude stole my identity back in the day.  ::)

PSS: Looks like Ziber posted their diatribe in two other places falsely claiming that I'm a rapist. Make my compensation now 105 BTC (35 X 3; negotiable):



That's odd! For being German, Ziber sure the hell loves posting in Russian.

Greetings everyone!

Here are many detective stories' fans and soap opera lovers. I want to tell you one detective soap opera story too...

From the very beginning our project Ziber refused from using Bounty as a way to draw more attention to the project. We decided that it will be better to create a really working product in advance and let all the rest speak for us. We have visited 2 conferences in London - CryptoFinancing 2017 and Fintechweek on July 13. At these events we were greeted with a warm welcome and understanding.
At the same time we started to send emails to various news websites and projects doing ICO listings, in order to tell people about us. Also we tried to contact tokenmarket.net many times, but we didn't get any response at all. (Please pay attention to this point)

Everything was going well until a massive harassment campaign began, targeting us. It started from this post:
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008297.msg20304037#msg20304037  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008297.msg20304037#msg20304037)
"Hi
Just to clarify: the cofounder and CEO of TokenMarket is Ransu Salovaara
Thank you"
 
And simultaneously with it there was made a screenshot of this message and an unknown person published it in the Telegram chat icocountdown, with the comment "Ziber Scam". After that just a little time has passed before several people started to attack us on the forum by writing negative reviews, they willing to tear me to pieces for a single inaccurate word.
I gave them a link to our presentation - they say it is fake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDIhEiqCqyQ
I gave them a link to our programmers (known since 2014) - they say it is also fake. https://www.microsip.org/
I gave them a link to our github profile where we have published the source code recently (note that the code was under development in private since 2016!) - and they were not

even able to compile the fully working code! And they say again that it is fake! https://github.com/ZiberLTD

So, what is the "cause" of claims?

Our website introduces several Ziber Team members:
Michael Cordy, as a Co-Founder and CEO Tokenmarket
Mark Braun, as a Founder and CEO
Michael Kaufman, as a Co-Founder and CTO
Jason White, as a Co-Founder Operations and Business.

Michael Cordy has came up with the "CEO Tokenmarket" title by himself, it was meant as a "CEO of Token marketing" and has nothing to do with the tokenmarket.net.
However it became a reason for accusing us of fraud, stating that we have intentionally used the "Tokenmarket.net" name. (Kinda dodgy enterprise I'd say, will tell why below)

If Tokenmarket.net did not like this ambiguous title they could just send us the email and we would fix this misunderstanding immediately. Instead of it they started a targeted harassment campaign with the help of professional trolls, haters, hacked and newly registered accounts.
However I could not claim that all the haters that were against us are fake - it is very likely that normal users could succumb to the influence of such a manipulator as Tokenmarket.net.
 
Let's dig deeper - why would Tokenmarket.net attack us? What is the root cause?

And the reason is: https://www.dentcoin.com – the idea is similar to Ziber, but they sell p2p traffic instead of voice calls.
The start of their fundraising program accidentally coincided with the Ziber project launch. And they gathered only 21k ETH from the planned 180k. Many people seem to decide to wait and invest their money into a really working product with the real people behind it!
So I think that we have ruined their ICO. Because we have presented more versatile product which is already implemented and can be used right away, while they will have to spend time to implement their product. This caused the hatred and the desire of revenge. To drive us out from the market and destroy us. And they chose very dirty ways to do it.


What is the Tokenmarket.net?

LATO: Liquidity Asset Token  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2012623.msg20051508#msg20051508 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2012623.msg20051508#msg20051508)
Exchange Union Coin: Bridging Digital Currency Exchanges Globally  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028383.msg20204617#msg20204617  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028383.msg20204617#msg20204617)
Topic: ANN [RCC] Reality Clash - First ARG Mobile Game with ERC-20 Armory https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036661.20  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036661.20)
And lots of others. Most of these projects don't have a working product! And their teams have never appeared anywhere in the public! It is most likely that Tokenmarket.net

creates all these projects itself, as even the CMS of many projects' websites is the same.
The only goal of these projects is to raise as much funds as possible!
Undoubtedly they take well-known projects and mask own nefarious purposes under them.
 
That's why they got so mad at us. Because we, the young team previously unknown to anyone here, suddenly appeared and ruined their ICO of Dentcoin. And we ruined it not by a heinous lies and intrigues but by presenting the quality product!

Who these trolls/manipulators are?

The major representative of the haters crowd is misterbones. Let's take a closer look at his messages:

---
  rise
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1445947.msg18330471#msg18330471 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1445947.msg18330471#msg18330471)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation: 0,004647 $
Price now: 0,077573 $


-----
  Humaniq
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1711764.msg18552426#msg18552426 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1711764.msg18552426#msg18552426)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,071905 $
Price now:0,163951 $

-------------
  Cryptoforecast
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1791709.msg18596414#msg18596414 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1791709.msg18596414#msg18596414)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,020473 $
Price now:0,17814$

-------------

His predictions come exactly the opposite - projects described as scam by misterbones in fact raise tenfold.


====
Gleb Gamov

1. Gleb stole the identity of a deceased person, Bruno, and posts everywhere the photo with a paper. Later the information appears that he was arrested for driving without a

license, also he has confirmed that he was convicted of rape of 14 years old girl.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg10987160#msg10987160 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg10987160#msg10987160)


2. Gleb has third account. This Gamov has scammed someone, and later got scammed himself as far as I understand.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg11266264#msg11266264 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg11266264#msg11266264)

3. a few more of his cases + his message about the racketeering by Bruno.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12639625#msg12639625 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12639625#msg12639625)


4. again about the racketeering, and advices on how to counter this Gamov, i.e. act like he does, collect any information possible, make screenshots, etc.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12647767#msg12647767 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12647767#msg12647767)


5. Leroy accused of scamming here. Someone paid to him and Gamov wrote that he is a scammer. Before that there were no single negative comment about Leroy - the claims were completely made up.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12698616#msg12698616 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12698616#msg12698616)

6. about another Bruno's account. This man wrote that he is a paid troll, fouls up any project.
https://bitcoinscamphinnaeusgage.blogspot.de/2014/08/phinnaeus-gage-story-of-internet-troll.html (https://bitcoinscamphinnaeusgage.blogspot.de/2014/08/phinnaeus-gage-story-of-internet-troll.html)

=========================


I just wanted to tell: think for yourself, don't make a decision under anyone's manipulations. Check everything up by yourself!

We are being attacked here, but I'm sure that we have created a great product and soon it will become as famous as Skype. Just let us some time!  

Greetings everyone!

Here are many detective stories' fans and soap opera lovers. I want to tell you one detective soap opera story too...

From the very beginning our project Ziber refused from using Bounty as a way to draw more attention to the project. We decided that it will be better to create a really working product in advance and let all the rest speak for us. We have visited 2 conferences in London - CryptoFinancing 2017 and Fintechweek on July 13. At these events we were greeted with a warm welcome and understanding.
At the same time we started to send emails to various news websites and projects doing ICO listings, in order to tell people about us. Also we tried to contact tokenmarket.net many times, but we didn't get any response at all. (Please pay attention to this point)

Everything was going well until a massive harassment campaign began, targeting us. It started from this post:
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008297.msg20304037#msg20304037  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008297.msg20304037#msg20304037)
"Hi
Just to clarify: the cofounder and CEO of TokenMarket is Ransu Salovaara
Thank you"
 
And simultaneously with it there was made a screenshot of this message and an unknown person published it in the Telegram chat icocountdown, with the comment "Ziber Scam". After that just a little time has passed before several people started to attack us on the forum by writing negative reviews, they willing to tear me to pieces for a single inaccurate word.
I gave them a link to our presentation - they say it is fake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDIhEiqCqyQ
I gave them a link to our programmers (known since 2014) - they say it is also fake. https://www.microsip.org/
I gave them a link to our github profile where we have published the source code recently (note that the code was under development in private since 2016!) - and they were not

even able to compile the fully working code! And they say again that it is fake! https://github.com/ZiberLTD

So, what is the "cause" of claims?

Our website introduces several Ziber Team members:
Michael Cordy, as a Co-Founder and CEO Tokenmarket
Mark Braun, as a Founder and CEO
Michael Kaufman, as a Co-Founder and CTO
Jason White, as a Co-Founder Operations and Business.

Michael Cordy has came up with the "CEO Tokenmarket" title by himself, it was meant as a "CEO of Token marketing" and has nothing to do with the tokenmarket.net.
However it became a reason for accusing us of fraud, stating that we have intentionally used the "Tokenmarket.net" name. (Kinda dodgy enterprise I'd say, will tell why below)

If Tokenmarket.net did not like this ambiguous title they could just send us the email and we would fix this misunderstanding immediately. Instead of it they started a targeted harassment campaign with the help of professional trolls, haters, hacked and newly registered accounts.
However I could not claim that all the haters that were against us are fake - it is very likely that normal users could succumb to the influence of such a manipulator as Tokenmarket.net.
 
Let's dig deeper - why would Tokenmarket.net attack us? What is the root cause?

And the reason is: https://www.dentcoin.com – the idea is similar to Ziber, but they sell p2p traffic instead of voice calls.
The start of their fundraising program accidentally coincided with the Ziber project launch. And they gathered only 21k ETH from the planned 180k. Many people seem to decide to wait and invest their money into a really working product with the real people behind it!
So I think that we have ruined their ICO. Because we have presented more versatile product which is already implemented and can be used right away, while they will have to spend time to implement their product. This caused the hatred and the desire of revenge. To drive us out from the market and destroy us. And they chose very dirty ways to do it.


What is the Tokenmarket.net?

LATO: Liquidity Asset Token  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2012623.msg20051508#msg20051508 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2012623.msg20051508#msg20051508)
Exchange Union Coin: Bridging Digital Currency Exchanges Globally  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028383.msg20204617#msg20204617  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028383.msg20204617#msg20204617)
Topic: ANN [RCC] Reality Clash - First ARG Mobile Game with ERC-20 Armory https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036661.20  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036661.20)
And lots of others. Most of these projects don't have a working product! And their teams have never appeared anywhere in the public! It is most likely that Tokenmarket.net

creates all these projects itself, as even the CMS of many projects' websites is the same.
The only goal of these projects is to raise as much funds as possible!
Undoubtedly they take well-known projects and mask own nefarious purposes under them.
 
That's why they got so mad at us. Because we, the young team previously unknown to anyone here, suddenly appeared and ruined their ICO of Dentcoin. And we ruined it not by a heinous lies and intrigues but by presenting the quality product!

Who these trolls/manipulators are?

The major representative of the haters crowd is misterbones. Let's take a closer look at his messages:

---
  rise
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1445947.msg18330471#msg18330471 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1445947.msg18330471#msg18330471)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation: 0,004647 $
Price now: 0,077573 $


-----
  Humaniq
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1711764.msg18552426#msg18552426 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1711764.msg18552426#msg18552426)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,071905 $
Price now:0,163951 $

-------------
  Cryptoforecast
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1791709.msg18596414#msg18596414 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1791709.msg18596414#msg18596414)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,020473 $
Price now:0,17814$

-------------

His predictions come exactly the opposite - projects described as scam by misterbones in fact raise tenfold.


====
Gleb Gamov

1. Gleb stole the identity of a deceased person, Bruno, and posts everywhere the photo with a paper. Later the information appears that he was arrested for driving without a

license, also he has confirmed that he was convicted of rape of 14 years old girl.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg10987160#msg10987160 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg10987160#msg10987160)


2. Gleb has third account. This Gamov has scammed someone, and later got scammed himself as far as I understand.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg11266264#msg11266264 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg11266264#msg11266264)

3. a few more of his cases + his message about the racketeering by Bruno.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12639625#msg12639625 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12639625#msg12639625)


4. again about the racketeering, and advices on how to counter this Gamov, i.e. act like he does, collect any information possible, make screenshots, etc.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12647767#msg12647767 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12647767#msg12647767)


5. Leroy accused of scamming here. Someone paid to him and Gamov wrote that he is a scammer. Before that there were no single negative comment about Leroy - the claims were completely made up.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12698616#msg12698616 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12698616#msg12698616)

6. about another Bruno's account. This man wrote that he is a paid troll, fouls up any project.
https://bitcoinscamphinnaeusgage.blogspot.de/2014/08/phinnaeus-gage-story-of-internet-troll.html (https://bitcoinscamphinnaeusgage.blogspot.de/2014/08/phinnaeus-gage-story-of-internet-troll.html)

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I just wanted to tell: think for yourself, don't make a decision under anyone's manipulations. Check everything up by yourself!

We are being attacked here, but I'm sure that we have created a great product and soon it will become as famous as Skype. Just let us some time!  


I wouldnt even answer every idiot. So much shit at your address..I see what I see. The app is good. I will invest. Just dont let me down!
 

Guys...my community just tested the local number that is used in our country...

We called that number, and a Man answered with no clue whats going on...and he is going to police to report that his number is beeing used for calling....

Ziber super project, I'm sure that the price of tokens will grow and will allow to earn all the participants of ISO. Team good luck and patience. Looking forward to the start! I used the product, I like everything very much.

Ziber super project, I'm sure that the price of tokens will grow and will allow to earn all the participants of ISO. Team good luck and patience. Looking forward to the start! I used the product, I like everything very much.

Guys...my community just tested the local number that is used in our country...

We called that number, and a Man answered with no clue whats going on...and he is going to police to report that his number is beeing used for calling....

fake....

fake....

fake what???

here call +387 61 444 444

thats the number that called all day yesterday....

the guy clearly say that he wants us to leave him alone and that he went to police

Guys...my community just tested the local number that is used in our country...

We called that number, and a Man answered with no clue whats going on...and he is going to police to report that his number is beeing used for calling....

Now it is a very busy time for our company.  All the numbers used belong to Ziber!

Fake in what sense can me and my friends come and see you guys in your office. I am just 10 minutes away from you. I saw you are inviting people to London I am just here. Can i have your number please.   

what the hell are you talking about???? what company? what number??

you hacked this guys telephone and used it as a gateway in our country!

Guys...my community just tested the local number that is used in our country...

We called that number, and a Man answered with no clue whats going on...and he is going to police to report that his number is beeing used for calling....

Greetings everyone!

Here are many detective stories' fans and soap opera lovers. I want to tell you one detective soap opera story too...

From the very beginning our project Ziber refused from using Bounty as a way to draw more attention to the project. We decided that it will be better to create a really working product in advance and let all the rest speak for us. We have visited 2 conferences in London - CryptoFinancing 2017 and Fintechweek on July 13. At these events we were greeted with a warm welcome and understanding.
At the same time we started to send emails to various news websites and projects doing ICO listings, in order to tell people about us. Also we tried to contact tokenmarket.net many times, but we didn't get any response at all. (Please pay attention to this point)

Everything was going well until a massive harassment campaign began, targeting us. It started from this post:
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008297.msg20304037#msg20304037  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2008297.msg20304037#msg20304037)
"Hi
Just to clarify: the cofounder and CEO of TokenMarket is Ransu Salovaara
Thank you"
 
And simultaneously with it there was made a screenshot of this message and an unknown person published it in the Telegram chat icocountdown, with the comment "Ziber Scam". After that just a little time has passed before several people started to attack us on the forum by writing negative reviews, they willing to tear me to pieces for a single inaccurate word.
I gave them a link to our presentation - they say it is fake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDIhEiqCqyQ
I gave them a link to our programmers (known since 2014) - they say it is also fake. https://www.microsip.org/
I gave them a link to our github profile where we have published the source code recently (note that the code was under development in private since 2016!) - and they were not

even able to compile the fully working code! And they say again that it is fake! https://github.com/ZiberLTD

So, what is the "cause" of claims?

Our website introduces several Ziber Team members:
Michael Cordy, as a Co-Founder and CEO Tokenmarket
Mark Braun, as a Founder and CEO
Michael Kaufman, as a Co-Founder and CTO
Jason White, as a Co-Founder Operations and Business.

Michael Cordy has came up with the "CEO Tokenmarket" title by himself, it was meant as a "CEO of Token marketing" and has nothing to do with the tokenmarket.net.
However it became a reason for accusing us of fraud, stating that we have intentionally used the "Tokenmarket.net" name. (Kinda dodgy enterprise I'd say, will tell why below)

If Tokenmarket.net did not like this ambiguous title they could just send us the email and we would fix this misunderstanding immediately. Instead of it they started a targeted harassment campaign with the help of professional trolls, haters, hacked and newly registered accounts.
However I could not claim that all the haters that were against us are fake - it is very likely that normal users could succumb to the influence of such a manipulator as Tokenmarket.net.
 
Let's dig deeper - why would Tokenmarket.net attack us? What is the root cause?

And the reason is: https://www.dentcoin.com – the idea is similar to Ziber, but they sell p2p traffic instead of voice calls.
The start of their fundraising program accidentally coincided with the Ziber project launch. And they gathered only 21k ETH from the planned 180k. Many people seem to decide to wait and invest their money into a really working product with the real people behind it!
So I think that we have ruined their ICO. Because we have presented more versatile product which is already implemented and can be used right away, while they will have to spend time to implement their product. This caused the hatred and the desire of revenge. To drive us out from the market and destroy us. And they chose very dirty ways to do it.


What is the Tokenmarket.net?

LATO: Liquidity Asset Token  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2012623.msg20051508#msg20051508 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2012623.msg20051508#msg20051508)
Exchange Union Coin: Bridging Digital Currency Exchanges Globally  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028383.msg20204617#msg20204617  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028383.msg20204617#msg20204617)
Topic: ANN [RCC] Reality Clash - First ARG Mobile Game with ERC-20 Armory https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036661.20  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036661.20)
And lots of others. Most of these projects don't have a working product! And their teams have never appeared anywhere in the public! It is most likely that Tokenmarket.net

creates all these projects itself, as even the CMS of many projects' websites is the same.
The only goal of these projects is to raise as much funds as possible!
Undoubtedly they take well-known projects and mask own nefarious purposes under them.
 
That's why they got so mad at us. Because we, the young team previously unknown to anyone here, suddenly appeared and ruined their ICO of Dentcoin. And we ruined it not by a heinous lies and intrigues but by presenting the quality product!

Who these trolls/manipulators are?

The major representative of the haters crowd is misterbones. Let's take a closer look at his messages:

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  rise
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1445947.msg18330471#msg18330471 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1445947.msg18330471#msg18330471)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation: 0,004647 $
Price now: 0,077573 $


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  Humaniq
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1711764.msg18552426#msg18552426 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1711764.msg18552426#msg18552426)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,071905 $
Price now:0,163951 $

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  Cryptoforecast
  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1791709.msg18596414#msg18596414 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1791709.msg18596414#msg18596414)
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,020473 $
Price now:0,17814$

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His predictions come exactly the opposite - projects described as scam by misterbones in fact raise tenfold.


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Gleb Gamov

1. Gleb stole the identity of a deceased person, Bruno, and posts everywhere the photo with a paper. Later the information appears that he was arrested for driving without a

license, also he has confirmed that he was convicted of rape of 14 years old girl.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg10987160#msg10987160 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg10987160#msg10987160)


2. Gleb has third account. This Gamov has scammed someone, and later got scammed himself as far as I understand.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg11266264#msg11266264 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg11266264#msg11266264)

3. a few more of his cases + his message about the racketeering by Bruno.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12639625#msg12639625 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12639625#msg12639625)


4. again about the racketeering, and advices on how to counter this Gamov, i.e. act like he does, collect any information possible, make screenshots, etc.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12647767#msg12647767 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12647767#msg12647767)


5. Leroy accused of scamming here. Someone paid to him and Gamov wrote that he is a scammer. Before that there were no single negative comment about Leroy - the claims were completely made up.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12698616#msg12698616 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.msg12698616#msg12698616)

6. about another Bruno's account. This man wrote that he is a paid troll, fouls up any project.
https://bitcoinscamphinnaeusgage.blogspot.de/2014/08/phinnaeus-gage-story-of-internet-troll.html (https://bitcoinscamphinnaeusgage.blogspot.de/2014/08/phinnaeus-gage-story-of-internet-troll.html)

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I just wanted to tell: think for yourself, don't make a decision under anyone's manipulations. Check everything up by yourself!

We are being attacked here, but I'm sure that we have created a great product and soon it will become as famous as Skype. Just let us some time!