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This could get interesting.
https://videocardz.com/71591/rumor-amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-to-be-great-for-mining

Seems like they will be sold at double the cost of the RX 580's tho, so power consumption better be lower!

I will believe it when I see it, but also remember Vega is going to use double the watts of Nvidia, so not really a big deal

I think it will use too much power.

not double the watts of a 1080TI

250 tdp vs 300 not that far apart

Who cares if it will use too much power, in the end performance and cost are the only things that matter. For example, the $399 version, if the $399 uses 2x more power than the rx 580 and makes 2x more money then is a better card cause it will take a single pci-e slot + is much easier to maintain a single card than 2 cards.

really ridiculous article anyways:
nothing is clear or confirmed.
"....70 MH/s...."
"Vega Frontier mining performance (which has a hash rate of ~30 MH/s)."


which is it.

I predict they will be bought up and resold at huge markups on ebay like everything else :D

Holy cow that would be insanely interesting if true! Sadly the "craze" is still very much on so it will pretty much be a zero sum game for anyone who buys these outside of like day one. I confess I would love to get my hands on some but with the difficulty increase that the thousands of these coming online will bring.. it may be pointless. I am not sure why people are all "think of the poor gamers!" - seriously why does AMD care? They sell out of cards they make money. Only a business that is bad at doing business would NOT want to sell out of their entire stock the moment it becomes available.

Vega Frontier and RX Vega 64 is not the same card.

so.. is it gonna do 1400 sols/s per card as well?.. ::)

I doubt it. The Ethereum hashing increase is from the new memory interface utilizing the HBM2 memory type. This is what will radically speed up the ETH mining. However the core is most likely nearly the same or hopefully close to the nVidia 1080 ti, so if this card got around 700 SOLs that would be quite a bargin as the card is about half the cost of the 1080 TI.

Faster ETH
Same Equihash
A little less power
30-50% less price (depending)

All those stack up for a hell of a deal!

Not necessarily. Think about it. If 100,000 of these things come online within the next month or so the Ethereum network hashrate will likely triple or even more than that as well. This means the mining difficulty with skyrocket and while you may then be mining at 2-3x the speed of what you were with your RX 570s, those will only be pulling in 1/3 or even less than they were before! You will pretty much need to get your hands on these right away if you ever want a return on your investment.

My problem is flexibility, AMD just dosent have enough algos it performs as well or better than Nvidia in, so the potential for ROI is WAY greater in this speculative market we are in.
Look at coins like Netko and SIGT, everyone (me included), ROI'd ANY amount of 1080ti's in last 3 months just mining those coins, while AMD has Dagger coins , which they chase the Epoch of , and what XMR? :/

Ill believe Vega at 70mh/s when i see it, plains and simple :D and im sure it will be too late by then ;p

Well, this could be what makes Polaris cards essentially obsolete. With these kinds of cards entering the Ethereum mining atmosphere and the big freeze coming, Polaris could have a quicker end than we previously expected. Wonder how these guys hash on XMR and other algorithms, though. These are rumors, though, so don't take them too seriously. We don't know how these cards actually do in mining tasks.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is a Hype Rumor started by AMD just to generate attention and sales.

It wouldn't be the first time AMD has overstated performance claims...

I fully agree ETH is more memory speed oriented with HBM2 which is in my opinion even better than next gddr6 for mining, we can expect about 70MH, while ZEC is more core speed oriented and vega 64 will be same as 1080ti or lower, we can expect about 680-720sols on 64.

Edit:
Dont get it why was people thinking that vega 64 will mine about 35MH same as FE (which doesnt have drivers, isnt optimized in miners, and overclock) vega 64 have about 120% increase on memory speed over rx 570, but again 64 is using 300wats, and costs about 500$, at the end it is the same thing

AMD employees trying to stir up sales.

70 mH would be super impressive. I hope Vega will destroy 1080Ti like Ryzen is destroying top Intel CPUs right now!

More than double Vega FE = total bullshit. OCUK is trollin' for clicks or preorder  >:( >:( >:( >:(

That is based on frontier and fury which both are hbm and they hash no more than 35mhs, get your facts straight.

By the way who stirred rumors was gibbo from ocku which in my opinion, that guy would do everything for people to preorder the gpus from his website. I will only believe if he posts anything which for now is a closed case.
 
"Where did you get that figure?"
"Guy internally from one of the AIB's, maybe he is smoking the BS pipe. "

It seems Gibbo heard from somebody, so point null, move on , nothing to see here yet.

HBM1 (fury is HBM1) and HBM2 isnt the same thing i read somewhere that HMB1 wasnt good for mining, because of latency, but time will tell, we can only speculate for now.

100 MH is pure BS...the THEORETICAL max that Vega can do with its 480GB/s bus is around 60MH. With overclocked memory (lets be generous and say 20% increase), you could theoretically be looking at ~70MH. Real world you can not hide 100% of the memory latency so 50-60 is more realistic.

Memory Bandwidth != Memory Speed

HMB is not a boon for ethereum mining. If it was, everyone would be mining ETH with R9 Nanos. However, it will likely be very good for ZEC, as the Nano was.

How so? It still seems nvidia has a serious edge in the variability of coins it can mine well.  If folks are using polaris cards for ETH they're giving up BTC they could be making more of off other algos.

Nothing but Gamer FUD to lock in pre-orders.

You will be lucky to get 50 mh on this card and even then that would be decent IF vega does not experience diminishing hashrate in which vega FE does. 
I have a feeling the Gtx 1060 gb will be the eth leader in the future.

But there are other coins to mine such as Zcash so lets wait a bit and get real numbers on all the algos.

you sound so out of the loop lol.

Price point of 499 makes it almost certain it does not beat the 1080 ti.

If it clearly beats the 1080 ti why not list at 649.

The 1080 ti sells well at 700-750

So everyone would buy a cheaper card if it is clearly best .

Pic or it didn't happen

ditto

Any preorder?

The ORIGIN of this rumor is one person that appears to work for a UK reseller site - and THEY claimed it was a "unconfirmed rumour from one person at one of the AIO partners" and supposedly due to some updates made to the drivers.

 It seems VERY unlikely that a driver update could DOUBLE the performance (keep in mind, the Frontier Edition and the RX Vega 64 use THE SAME GPU), though I could easily see driver optimizations adding 10-20% more performance.

 AMD has been comparing the Vega 64 vs the 1080 - NOT the 1080ti - but while it seems to be comparable to the 1080 on benchmarking (wins some, loses some), AMD has also made a point of comparing "MINUMUM FPS" in games not average.
 They say it's because the min FPS is more closely related to how smooth a game feels (which is a valid point), but it also implies that they do NOT believe they actually match the overall performance - and they certainly do NOT match the TDP/power efficiency.

 It also looks like the Vega RX 56 is going to be close in performance to the 1070 - but again, at a significantly higher power usage.


 I'm planning to get one Vega RX 56 early on (there is a specific application it should work WELL on that I use, even if it turns out it's NOT a good cryptocoin mining card, or worse case I toss it in my current Gaming system as an upgrade from the current RX 470) and plan to run it through quite a few benchmarks before I decide if I want any more of them.

claymore said vega fe 41mhs abit oc memory but unoptimized miner, with new gaming driver for rx vega & proper miner with some mod/ocing vega should get 60mhs or more
and the time will come as the grave for 1070/1080ti , huhahahaha bye2 nvidia miner
with heavy undervolted run under 200w we see the new king is shining

Who cares about Eth with nVidia ? facepalm

nVidia mines GPU intensive algos , not memory dependent  like ETH

I bet the rumor was probably started by a gamer who was pissed off that miner's f'd up the gaming gpu market and so he made this shit up hoping everyone all of the sudden stops buying GPU's to hold out for the Vega just so he could get his hands on a 1070 at retail price.

a rumor becomes fact when there's a a bench mark in the real world application that hash rate sounds too good to be true. in actual mining i bet the hash could be max at 50mh/s. but it is still quite tempting to buy vs the nvidia gtx 1080ti 8gb. i know there are a lot of gamers waiting on the line when the 1080ti gets dumped by the miners when this vega's hash rate is true.

tbh, i have a feeling Nvidia is holding back on Pascal.  The other day they announced a driver unlock for Pascal Titan's that increased compute performance GREATLY
Some say it's to help combat any edge Vega would get coming up here.
I have a feeling inna few weeks they may do the same on 1080ti, and im not a miner dev, but a compute performance increase seems to me would increase their mining capability :)
Time will tell, they announced RX Vega will be in the wild (in stores) Officially Aug 14th

AMDs marketing* strategy is ambiguity, lol

These guys sell so much hardware on lies

I feel sorry for anyone in here who has a ryzen chip in anything but a work station....

They're even targeting us miners with their lies. If this wasn't a paper launch and more than likely you're gonna be able to flip those GPUs for more than you got em. THere is no way I would consider buying them before I see it hashing on various algos unmodded.

Well, the sweet spot on a 480 is around 1125 with tweaked memory timings and clocks and that pulls ~ 32mh/s so the core is only utilized at around 75%. That would mean a 480 is capable of roughly 43mh/s if it wasn't memory/thermal/power constrained. Efficiency would of course go right out the window.

Using that same math I'd figure that full on 4096 Stream Processor Vega should pull around 77mhs or so if it isn't memory/thermal/power constrained. That's also assuming AMD hasn't added some secret sauce to bump mining efficiency.

That being said, I'll believe it when I see it. AMD hasn't exactly delivered when it comes to their GPUs and really has been disappointing back to the 200 series. 

For the type of memory operations that ETH does, the R9 series has already shown that HMB is more constraining than GDDR5 (bandwidth != speed). To expect something different from HMB2 which is basically the exact same thing is ridiculous. HMB however has been shown to be very effective for ZEC memory operations, and I'm much more interested in the benchmarks for sols where I expect it to shine.

Exactly, however, they are spouting nonsense.

ajaj, I am afraid you people are dreaming a little too much. At the end we all are going to be disapointed.

so why is Vega FE not performing the same or at least in the same ballpark? Same GPU (well as far as mining goes it's identical), same memory (only more of it on FE) so I fail to see how the RX Vega can double or TRIPLE the hashrate. Driver optimization, okay do it with FE it shouldn't really matter.

VEGA Frontier is not a gaming card. But I do agree concerning the hashrate jump to 70mhs to be too much even with somethings enabled on the gaming version.

Vega FE in its current form has its HBM2 working ~ 400 GB/s...about 40GB/s of that discrepancy is actually from the upper stacks on the 16GB HBM2 (FE has two stacks of two 4GB dies on top of each other..the top two dies actually run at lower timings due to hardware limitations...ie top stacks run slower since electrical signals have to go through additional vias to reach top). The other 40GB is due to driver optimizations that AMD is working on right now.

So out of the box we can expect RX Vega to do 440GB/s with its single stacked two dies (8GB total HBM2), plus near 480GB/s if they fixed the driver issues by launch. Thats a 20% bump from the stock ~33-35MH = ~ 41MH. Memory can be overclocked at least 20% from my tests, so thats brings it up to ~50 MH/s. Throw in another 10% with timing optimizations and were looking at about 55MH top eth speed for vega.

Disclamer I DO have a Vega FE and and working with AMD devs to address these issues and was at the siggraph event and talked to Raja. AMD is finally in a corner where they can't ignore the mining market anymore, and I'm doing the best I can do address the mining markets concerns to AMD. Expect more good stuff from them in the future ;)

 Only reason the 1070 got popular for ETH was that pricing got crazy on the RX 470/480/570/580 cards and made the "slightly higher" hashrate of the 1070 on ETH competative on a $/hash basis.

 I've yet to see ANY benchmarks for a Vega on ZEC - but it's going to have to top the 1070/1080/1080ti a LOT on hashrate to get close on efficiency.



 The Titan Xp "major performance upgrade" was pretty much only on ONE specific application, and to a lesser degree some very similar applications.
 It wasn't a "improve performance 3x on everything" type upgrade, but more a "fix a problem this specific application was having" type fix.


 Gamers are NOT waiting on GTX 1080ti - pricing and availability has been pretty much UNTOUCHED on that particular model.
 It's the 1070, 1060, and to a VERY VERY MINOR degree the 1080 that have been affected by mining - and I'm pretty sure the 1080 effects were INDIRECT from folks that had originally planned to get a 1070 but go for a 1080 instead due the price being almost the same and much greater availability.



 Ryzen isn't "destroying" Intel CPUs - but it IS being competative enough to force Intel to adapt to having to COMPETE again, after several years of unquestioned supremecy.
 Not the first time by a long shot for Intel - they lost the performance crown ENTIRELY on 3 previous occasions (Athlon 64, Athlon Thunderbird, Z80) and AMD also challenged them very closely in the days of the K5 vs the Pentium (K5 was SUPERIOR on integer operations per clock and close enough on clock to match or beat overall integer performance, but lost badly on floating point).

Good to know, keep up the good work.

50-55 would be okay for eth.

what about sols for zec?

And what about Sol/Watt?

HBM memory Do not leave, change stock strap timing

Let's not be so optimistic, Vega's hashrate will not reach 45 mh/s never

Fury is trash in eth
Vega will be the same

i think you already stock so much rx 400/500 or gtx 1000 series, worried about less earning when vega hit market, just sell all your card now, dont cry later
claymore tested vega fe at 41mhs with his miner v9.8, no doubt if rx vega can reach 60++mhs

Just do some calculations. Assuming you can undervolt them to 200W.

50 mhs / 200W = 0,25
55 mhs / 200W = 0,275
60 mhs / 200W = 0,3

GTX 1060:
23,5 mhs / 80W = 0,29375

GTX 1050 Ti:
15 mhs / 50W = 0,3


At 200W, they need AT LEAST 60 mhs to be even on par with a GTX 1050 Ti.

yep it uses much much more power.. needs 2 be at least 60 mhs MINIMUM

Gamers Nexus Confirmed but not tested RX Vega to hash 70Mh/s.  I trust this source a lot more than the previous, but again still untested.

https://youtu.be/qrnkbmabK4U?t=55

Some more rumors out in the wild.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/retail_staff_reports_high_levels_of_mining_performance_on_amd_s_rx_vega/1 (https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/retail_staff_reports_high_levels_of_mining_performance_on_amd_s_rx_vega/1)

Same lies

Please people do not reward AMD for lying to us

If i know AMD ,these cars theoretically could do it yes, but drivers are bad and there is no miner   support so i don't think its possible. But nice daydreaming! :-)

 SAME rumor just a different site quoting Gibbo.

 "haven't tested it" right from the video - so no real confirmation.

The reviews are out, and shops are selling (in Germany). Anyone got his hands on one yet?

Edit: golem.de (https://www.golem.de/news/radeon-rx-vega-64-im-test-schnell-und-durstig-mit-potenzial-1708-127610-4.html) obviously tried mining with stock settings for the RX Vega 64, getting 31 MHS.

I'm curious what will be possible with tweaks, custom bios, etc.

it looks like your game nexus was a lie and i was right after all. VEGA doing 70 on eth lol, that really cracked me up.

Not sure how you think its a lie.  Let's wait and see what drivers get released to improve hashrates before you break your arm patting yourself on the back.

70mh/s on ETH is very attractive performance, it is well worth if price is double rx580, and I don't quite worry about TDP, usually will be lower than 2X RX580.

Remember you said they confirmed right? so if they confirmed where is the 70Mh/s? show me, stop saying drivers, what I want to see is that they confirmed the hyped 70Mh/s, probably your nexus gamer is also part of the ebay scammers mafia, hyping things and then reselling to blind people.


You go and dream somewhere else, not even polaris got a 100% increase after driver bios and who knows what modification, VEGA can deliver at stock 32 Mh/s and that is it. Polaris stock gives 24 Mh/s and with bios mostly 20% increase.

Stop dreaming you trolls and be happy cause now scammers cant play the price scam anymore. Now will be plenty polaris and gtx 1070 for sale and close at the mrsp price.