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What happened:: minerjones has backed out of multiple auctions he has started in the collectables section.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=346731

Reference Link: see below
1 - http://archive.is/okLEh#selection-409.0-409.10 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2080572.0
2 - http://archive.is/ee1mt - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2056006.0
3 - http://archive.is/L1csU - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2010947.0;all
4 - http://archive.is/z3kUc - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2007260.0
Additional Notes: minerjones has backed out of 4 auctions over the past ~month, and possibly more over longer periods of time. Each time minerjones has offer flimsy "excuses" for backing out of his obligations, has not compensated the then high bidders, the other bidders, nor potential bidders - in each case the auction end date had not yet eclipsed). Based on the fact that this has happened 4 times in the last ~5 weeks, it is clear this is not an isolated incident, but rather appears to be a pattern of minerjones failing to honor his obligations when listing items for auction.

In the past, it has been the opinion and consensus of the community that, unless otherwise explicitly specified, auction bids and auction offers are binding contracts, and failing to honor said bid/offer makes you a scammer.

Further, minerjones was acting as an escrow for an ICO when (http://archive.is/yDC3k#selection-1645.0-1645.323) losses were incurred, and minerjones did not offer to make his customers whole, contrary to my understanding of the obligations of an escrow agent.

I have verified that minerjones is currently in blazed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=134378)'s trust list, and I understand this to mean that blazed endorses this behavior. Unless and until blazed remediates this by removing minerjones from his trust list, or this accusation is otherwise disproven, I would consider this to be a risk when dealing with any of blazed's auctions as well. Upon remediation, this portion of the accusation will be removed.

update: minerjones has subsequently backed out of two additional auctions since the creation of this thread:

Thank you to get me that to the notice, i was thinking to place a bid to a raffle organised by Blazed few hours ago but i thought instead of bumping the auction thread in collectible section why not place the bid at the last time as it would reduce competition and probably get the thread unnoticed from the potential buyers but now i won't do that. I even checked MinerJones trust now and i see some shady behavior.
Thank you QS.

Great information QS! Some really shady/unmoral things. You cannot back out from your auction, because that is against the standard rule of it basically. I would not trust such a person as an escrow, and he is part of CET as well. He is part of DT2, which is kind of bad, i do not think such actions should get you a spot on DT2. I hope someone of the staff sees this and takes some action against minerjones.

so...blazed, MJ, OG...do we have any escrow left to trust?

Where is theymos while shit is hitting the fan with all his trusted escrows... does he realize having trustable escrow is part of the reason this site is even alive?

I wonder if he know's he's liable for any  legal issues that might spring up...

Do you think people on this forum were born yesterday? ::)

Not sure if serious or just stupid.

Under certain conditions, of course you can. There is no "standard rule of it".

Spamming nonsene for Enjin now, are we? Staff has nothing to do with this.

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Do explain the following to me:
1) You not being biased towards MJ.
2) How this is a scam, and not suited for the reputation thread.
3) MJ is often hosting auctions for other people, thus he can't be directly blamed when the owner does back up midway. The 1000 BTC Cas. auction needs to be removed from this thread.

Maybe little bit of both, however if you put up an auction and do not complete it like arrange, that is a very dickish move if you ask me. I would not want to deal with person doing such things.

Yeah of course you can, however it is a part of the etiquette of auctions, if you cannot follow it, then i don't think you should be arranging auctions in the first place

You may call it what you like. Staff of the forum is kind of responsible for DT members, because DT members are the ones that you should be able to trust on every situation.
However, that is just my opinion, but i am sure that many agree with me.

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1. I am not biased towards anyone, i just however do not appreciate such actions.
2. I believe it belongs on reputation as well, and that is why i reported the post already for being on wrong board.
3. I think that if you are hosting an auction for other people, the best practice would be just taking a hold of the item/goods or whatever you are auctioning before starting it. Because this can cause problems for the person hosting, which i do not personally want to happen to anyone.

I know you are friends with minerjones, and i have nothing personally against him. I was just stating my personal opinion about the situation, so everything i say should not be taken personally.

MJ offered items for auction, which may have presented a bargain for a potential bidder, by canceling said auction, he deprived said potential bidders from this bargain.

Also, when he opened the auction, he was agreeing to certain obligations to whoever won the auction, similar to what happens when you agree to engage in a trade with someone. As mentioned in my OP, this is not an isolated incident, but is rather a pattern of behavior.

Nope. When you open up an auction thread, you are the one obligating yourself to sell the item according to the terms of the auction, unless otherwise explicitly specified in the terms of the auction (they were not in any of the cases in the OP).

Wow... what a great Idea, your lover is being attacked so you two scheme up a way to attack the competition..

cant believe how pathetic you are QS. Just because you are a massive Ponzi Fan you have to come in and protect your leader?

EVERYONE BE AWARE QS IS A NASTYFAN AND HE IS ATTACKING OG'S ESCROW COMPETITION.

Well, I am looking into this and have reached out to MJ looking for answers. Implying that I am shady is a bit of a reach... My history here more than speaks for itself. I am surprised you would tag my name into this without messaging me first. I have always given you the benefit of the doubt over the years and now I wonder if that was a mistake.

All I know is that Minerjones is good person and I trust him.
Btw Quickseller, as I see from trust ratings, only Blazed was the last man, who was leaving positive trust rating on you, now it seems you are against him because of.....
There is no doubt TMAN says 100% right: seems you are nastyfan and you are against minerjones because of og. Why? because now there is bad relationship between them, you could to make scam accusations before but you did it now to help og in trying to finish job but there is no way it will be successful.

I am neutral, I don't have to say bad on MJ or OG but I had some deals with minerjones and often chat him. He is very polite and helpful person, I don't hide this, my vote for minerjones as a good man.

So minerjones was acting as an escrow and charged a fee for his services even though he failed to keep the funds safe, didn't pay everyone back, and this is the first I'm hearing of it?  This is why it is so dangerous to stay silent when you see this sort of behavior.  I thought minerjones started acting shady after doxxing CanaryInTheMine back in March, but it looks like the behavior may have started earlier than that...  

https://i.imgur.com/hr4WCzJ.jpg

...or did "investors" not agree with your plan to compensate yourself for losing their money?

He can't control what actions of the seller.

That is utter bullshit. Nobody besides theymos is reponsible for DT members, and he wouldn't do anything in this case. There have been worse cases where theymos did not act.

I was not asking you to explain anything.

Again, this is almost entirely up to the person selling. Minerjones was doing other users a favor, users who have exploited this, and users like you who attack him for helping out other members.

Correction: This is what you seem to think. You also think that bogus escrow is acceptable behavior, thus what you think tends to be misaligned with what is right and what isn't.

Maybe it is time to wake up and start reading the negatives on his profile?

That is completely incorrect. Minerjones did nothing wrong, and every single person was paid back.

WTF are you talking about OgDogg... you cant even pay back nastyfan loans in full. Idiot

Those auctions were held on behalf of other users and hence it should have been specified in those threads. The users who backed out should be tagged by neutral as without a valid reason they can't just back out. Don't put a coin for sale then if there are any doubts. It looks shady.

Also backing out from an auction is unethical but it can't be considered scamming until the user doesn't pay back the funds he has been paid for such an auction but nobody should trust his auctions at a later stage as he can again back out from a commitment. Also these auctions on a forum are not the same as real ones where you need to sign a contract and then you need to pay a fine too (I suppose).


Edit: Thanks Lauda for the update. If the issue was solved, then I take my words back. However, the auctions were atleast not handled well. 4 auctions cancelled due to the owners gives minerjones a bad name. It looks like he was acting as an escrow for those deals and things which he doesn't have any control over should be handled this way.

Shocking? Mishandled? Are you serious? That was the setup that was used by several different escrows at the time, and everyone was informed about the risk before investing. The problem was solved and every investor who claimed a refund got paid back in full.
This has nothing to do with the OP, and is just used in the continued defamation campaign by QS. This totally does not have to do anything with escrow competiton, *cough*. ::)

I will have you know those auctions MINERJONES did, he did for me. Know this, there were extenuating circumstances involved with each of those auctions. Not that I feel I owe Quickseller an answer...but some of you are top of the line traders and sellers, you guys and gals all know who you are, and you know I'm an honest person. If you're looking for someone to blame, well then, blame me. Quickseller....you're lower that the belly of a snake in a wagon wheel rut. Go get yourself a life, and leave the good people in this forum be. Slither someplace else.

There we have it. However, Quickseller will not be satisfied with this as he is biased in the case and this whole thread is just a smear campaign against minerjones. If anyone has proven himself to be trustworthy around here, then that is minerjones (with all his flaws and cats).

You're good Minerjones, you were merely doing as I told you to do. And anyone who doesn't think he's trustworthy, here's a little fact. Minerjones has handled over 40 of my loaded coins at one time, in excess value of $100,000 dollars, sent them for grading, regrading, he's sold, traded, and escrowed for me. Everything accounted for, you couldn't find a more honest hard working family man. Who also like's critters and cats....like most of the rest of us. If I has to say anything bad about him, it that his cat is actually fatter than mine....and that makes me jealous.  :(

While this isn't on topic here, do you have any sort of proof of this happening?
From what I understand, CanaryInTheMine was saying in his trust rating that it is possible for MJ to dox people. However this is the case for anyone that sends or receives packages, and it is unfair to call out MJ specifically on it.

Well said fattcatt.  I have trusted minerjones with quite a few btc and would do it again without reservation.

Edit to add QS you used an alt of yours to escorw your own trades and collected fees for it.  You have no credibility.  Panthers52, keep pounding

I don't think it's that he can...

It's that he keeps the door open to be able to.

Most honorable people would destroy packaging/labels...etc

You know, for plausible deniability...which is imperative.

I always have preferred this kind of open, public discussion about these kinds of things, as opposed to back room private deals. I think it is fair to say that you are active enough in the relevant sections to have noticed this kind of behavior.

If you don't think leaving MJ on your trust list after being made aware of this (explicitly) is not condoning his behavior, then I am not sure what you think having him on your trust list means. I have similar concerns about you having an extortionist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0) on your trust list, although I have not been as vocal about these concerns as might be appropriate. Granted, you may not be able to help it if someone pulls a long con, or otherwise quietly engages in shady behavior, (it should be embarrassing if this happens), once you are aware of this kind of behavior, leaving someone on your trust list means you are backing/supporting/condoning this behavior.

I would also point out two examples of you personally leaving negative trust for very similar activity. You left a negative rating astgain alesx.onfire (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1436577.msg15081646#msg15081646) for shill bidding on his own auctions, and against bitmarket.io (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1946227.0) for backing out of a single auction.

I would ask why you leave a negative for bitmarket.io after a single instance of backing out of an auction, yet, you not only refrain from leaving a negative for MJ after 4 instances of backing out of auctions, but leave him on your trust list.

It looks like you are being a little dishonest.

When you backed out of your auction to sell the 1000 BTC cas coins, you said you would be more transparent in ownership of coins you are selling for third parties: (July 11)

Yet, over a month later, you backed out of an auction to sell a cas brass halve (August 12) - http://archive.is/okLEh#selection-409.0-409.10

These three statements can't all be true. You have had several auctions since you stated on July 11 that you would be transparent about ownership of coins you are selling, did you personally own all of these coins, or were you selling them on behalf of other people?

One of the three escrows, yahoo... was able to 'hussle' someone he believed to be the person who stole the money into buying BTC to repay what was lost due to the escrows' negligence/incompetence/greed. I believe that investors were eventually repaid with BTC that was hustled by yahoo.... however public statements were made that in the event of no recovery of stolen funds, that investors would face losses.


No, it was MJ's fault. He is the one who opened the auction, and he is the one who is responsible for seeing the high bidder being able to purchase what is being auctioned according to the terms of the auction, which fail to state the item is owned by any third party, and do not have the option MJ to back out of the trade.


I have not seen any evidence that anyone was informed of the risks. If anything you covered up the risks in order to sell your services to potential scammers so you could "earn" a higher fee.

You had "extenuating circumstances" on four separate occasions? This sounds kinda fishy to me, especially considering that on each of the occasions, the items were not resold at a later time. It also looks like this is not (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2010947.msg20056418#msg20056418) the first time you have stepped in to support MJ after he backed out of an auction....interestingly enough this is one of the times you are claiming to have caused MJ to back out of his auction.....one might see this discrepancy and call you a liar ::)

Which is complete bullshit. Nobody was hustled to do anything. In a combined effort with Gleb we managed to find the information of the user that stole the money; the user contacted us on their own afterwards and offered to return the money. This is not even relevant to this thread at all.

No. The fault is almost solely on the user that made him withdraw the item(s).

You must be blind then.

Biased as always. ::) You shouldn't be making any threads about anyone.

Is there any proof of MJ not doing this?

No. However, Quickseller will state that there is no proof that MJ is doing that. ::)

I think it's the dictionary data collecting that's the real problem.

Personally I think that this proves QS and OG are connected a lot closer than I thought.  I wonder does this mean an investigation thread should go up?

Well, on the left side you have a confirmed escrow scammer who keeps the DOX of people who he hasn't even traded with and on the other side you have OgNasty (which I won't comment on and it's clear what *some* people think about him and their related business(es) and coins). AFAIK Quickseller owns a fair deal (?) of those seats.

I was cought by a awfull odor around the title but it was the terrible smell of Quickseller and his personal vendetta(s).
Waste of forum space.

Keep up the good work MJ.

Ummm, you can look at the threads in the OP and see that MJ did in fact not follow through on auctions he started multiple times in the past ~month.

Just ordered your DOX QS. Chat to you next week when I have them through from my man.. amazing what $200 gets you if you know who to ask

if you can, I'd love his real name and location so I can report him to the authorities.  These pedophiles can't hide forever.

I can get you within 30 miles or so.

but you might have to get into my van.

I'm certain MJ is only pulling auctions due to private sales.

Well OG's cost me $200 and took 3 days for everything. Can't imagine QS will cost any more, but I have a suspicion that they are one and the same. I'll let you know when I have them vod

It's funny how a thread that actually was made to discuss of a matter of withdrawing from auctions suddenly ended up into DOX. DOX:ing is against the rules here, so im not sure what happens to the thread.

Bullshit spam from you, again. Doxxing is not against the rules if it isn't solely used for trolling. You are allowed to obviously discuss the act of doxxing itself, especially when it's relevant to the users of the thread. You are also allowed to share the doxx privately (obviously, who could prevent that). However, if one wanted to post a DOXX it should be done in the Investigations section.

I discussed dox, I haven't publicly aired them.

Canary spoke to me about it at the time and I believe he would have been more vocal about the situation to others, but minerjones excluded him from the slack group limiting his options to leaving negative trust.

https://i.imgur.com/KPgcXig.png
https://i.imgur.com/S0ZSkEW.png

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Your behavior is disgusting and minerjones should be embarrassed to be affiliated with you.

Damn, I forgot being kicked from the Slack channel removes the user's right to post on the forum. How silly of me.

I don't fully understand the situation between minerjones and CanaryInTheMine, but from what I've heard it doesn't sound like minerjones did anything wrong. It would be interesting to hear what actually happened.

Do you condone Quickseller for doing the same thing? (Collecting doxs of other users without any right to do so).

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Thank you for saying so.

Why is collecting dox necessarily a bad thing?  Or why does someone not have a right to do that?  Public info is public, unless you're talking SS#s and whatnot.  I wouldn't care if someone had my dox--in fact the people I've done PayPal deals with DO have my real name & address.  Why would I care?  I'm just curious.

Wouldn't want someone to post my dox publically on this forum,  but I wouldn't care if someone had the info.  Am I crazy here or what?

yes, an absolute madman.


The problem isn't the collecting but the potential for hazards.


rocks in glass houses?

Obviously not.



Would you care if someone, "will dox your info to other buddies as he sees fit. He won't honor your privacy and will tell others about your other accounts dealings WITHOUT your permission." or is that ok also?

Now you have TMAN claiming he has a source to get everyone's information for $.  If you aren't concerned by this, you might be crazy.

There is actually no real good reason to do this. It usually gets used for malicious purposes (e.g. defcon23 blackmailing others).

Common sense.

The connection between an username and a public profile is usually not public, thus the information itself is not.

You are.

To me, it is not so much the act of doing it than the person doing it.
If it were someone that I trusted collecting doxs, perhaps I would not feel so strongly against it. However with users like Quickseller and defcon23 that have been known to use backwards tactics in trying to get their own way in the past, I would not feel comfortable with people like that having my information and freely being able to do things with it.

Perhaps someone else can explain it properly, I feel that I am doing a fairly piss poor job at explaining why I feel the way I do.

Perhaps I worded it incorrectly. I agree that anyone has the right to do that, as in they can. I do not agree that everyone should do that.

While the definition of a dox is that it is made up of public information, this is not always the case. If I post a package to someone with my address and they then take that address and give it to others without my permission, that isn't me making my information public however it leads to the same end point.

It's a general uneasiness for me in regards to other people holding information that is somewhat personal to me, as I have stated above. It should also be noted that some value their privacy much more than others, and therefore having their dox passed around could be a drop in the ocean to a tsunami depending on who's dox it is.

If I gave you a list of names (first/last/forum), could you fill in the blanks and connect the dots for me?

I don't need Cameron's information, I already have that from his wife.

Yes I'm a well-known crazy person.   Not in dispute.  Sharing is a different matter, I get that.  Minifrij said "collecting dox" and that's what I was talking about.  

I know you're riled up and I know I will come off as a complete ignoramus,  but let's say TMAN got my dox, or QS for that matter.  What should I be concerned about?   Violence?  Identity theft?  Should I be concerned about people I've done PP deals with? Scamming?  Am I not being paranoid schizophrenic enough?

Edit:  thank you, minifrij for the above response.   You made it as I was sack-of-wet-mice thumb typing on this damn phone.

You know, I accidentally shot someone with a bow once.

Yeah yeah,  then you threw a party because you beat Legend of Zelda.

I never beat legend of zelda...did you throw a party when you beat legend of zelda?

Too bad that I get information from my doxes from 100% public sources, and watching for small little details that give me hints as to the RL identities of users. None of my doxes use any information learned as a result of shipping a package from someone else. I don't actively retain shipping information of those that I ship to unless I have shipped to the person many times, and expect to continue doing so -- I may also remember some details about some that I trade with such as their first name and general area of residence in order to have a more personable relationship with those I have traded with. I don't give out information learned as a result of my trading with someone expect my opinion of their ability to be trusted, and success of prior transactions.


Minerjones on the other hand allegedly maintains a list of identities that he has traded with in the past by keeping information provided to him in confidence. This is non-public, confidential information that he is collecting.  


I also will not release any information I have, even if said information was obtained via public sources unless I have independently verified an actual scam (I am not talking about the threshold that Lauda, et el uses to leave negative trust, I am referring to actual scams) has taken place. Minerjones on the other hand apparently is willing to release private information to his "buddies" who have not been harmed financially in any way, nor have the person in question done anything wrong except gotten on the wrong side of one of Minerjones's friends.   

It looks like Minerjones has not addressed the accusation of him lying one of the times he backed out of his auctions.

This is one more reason not to trust MJ.

I went to one of minerjones's recent auction and was pointed to this thread by the op.  Seems to have gotten a lot of "looks".  Has anyone been scammed by minerjones?  I will recon to say no.  I personally have had quite a bit of bitcoin handled through him and have never had one single issue.  This topic doesnt seem to belong in the "scam accusations" portion of this forum as one of his admitted third parties backed out of an auction with not one person moving any money/btc around.  People have gotten taken for "actual funds" and no one seems to give a shit about it but a member here hosted a 3rd party auction who the seller needed to back out and everyone "cares".  

Personally if i was one of the other genuine thread op's who have gotten scammed id be bent right now.  But thats just me.  This seems almost a non issue compared to some of their stories.  I try to stay out of here as much as possible but was directed here through a recent auction in the goods section.  Oh well this post has been long enough either way

I have never been scammed by miner jones nor have i ever felt like i was getting scammed.  Such is life in the world of crypto.....

no your behavior is disgusting - you did not pay loans back in full, you are running a loss making asset and you are transmitting money without a license, plus I dont like you personally I think you are a dickhead  so I bought your Dox.. no big deal and if you stop winding me up they will stay with me, QS on the other hand is a different matter - with his previous posts on kiddy porn.. well I wont say what will happen with his Dox

Highly doubtful at best.


Which is pretty much the same thing. ::)

No. This is a bullshit claim made by Canary, who is as trustworthy as your local robber waiting at the next corner. ::)

It is funny you say that because your wife said that exact same thing to me last weekend.

Kind Regards
Panthers52

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One other thing I would point out is that minerjones has thusfar failed to address the issue of him lying about no longer handling third party auctions without transparency. I want to know when minerjones is going to address this lie.

You seem to be using the wrong account, Quickseller. ::) The situation has been addresses and resolved.

Point to the post in which he addressed this..

I have no meat on this table but this made me laugh, real hard, I kept pounding my fist.

2 more auctions backed out of by minerjones.  In typical fashion he locked the threads so his posts wouldn't be quoted and criticized (another disturbing ongoing trend).

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2096022.msg21103971#msg21103971

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2096012.msg21104171#msg21104171

you're resembling QS more than usual today...

It looks like users are taking note of this kind of behavior and refusing to bid on his auctions. Unfortunately, and sadly, it seems that users are still afraid of leaving a negative rating against MJ as they know they will be retaliated against by his group of friends.

Interestingly, minerjones had left me a negative rating not long after I opened this thread, and removed it around the time you posted this message.

So?  You keep removing my negative ratings, then sending me a PM telling me you have done so.  Hoping I would look the other way on your unethical behaviour and remove my legitimate negative ratings on you.  This is just more of your repeated hypocritical behaviour.
 
I finally had to block your PMs. 

Which is absolute nonsense. Nobody from the Collectibles section really, aside from you and OgNasty, could care less about these mistakes. They happen, and he has proven himself to the point where a plethora of them are forgivable as long as he learns from it.

He should have left it long ago / shouldn't have removed it. Unfortunately he does not tend to tag scammers like yourself often. :-\

Seems like minerjones got scared because of daddy ognasty..Because mineraljones removed his negative feedback from og.
Thus this situation clearly signifies that og is mightier than minerjones.

Og nasty is a big man with power while minerjones is a cunt endorsed by tman

yes I wholeheartedly endorse MJ he is a great man and should run for presidency of the US. 

OG on the other hand is an overweight, balding, pubebeard fuck who's Mrs left him because of how much of a prick he is...

These are not mistakes. This is a habit of MJ backing out of his obligations.

It is interesting to see you turn a blind eye about people in power ignoring their obligations while you leave negative trust against anyone not in power who does something that most people don't even consider anything close to being a scam and trolling them when they try to defend themselves. I think this says a lot about you.


Actually I sent exactly one PM letting you know I removed my rating after which I have not added one back on nor did I (try to) message you again. I also didn't mention any of the ratings you left me, including those you knew were inaccurate when you left it.

No, that is absolute bullshit. He has never backed out of any obligation from what I've seen, other than you presenting this case which again, as many have said, it not entirely his fault. If he does proxy auctions, then things can go wrong and if the seller is at fault then MJ can't really do much about it. He can, however, and should, stop doing proxy auctions.

1) Bullshit, again.
2) Nobody from the section is really complaining, besides you desperately trying to smear his name.
3) There is a huge difference between: 1) Someone who has done absolutely nothing for the forum, community nor has proven themselves to be trustworthy. 2) A person, like MJ, who is the exact opposite. You can't treat both equally / doing so wouldn't make sense at all.
4) I don't turn a blind eye to pretty much anything, which is trivially proven by my constant bothering of DT1 members who don't actively maintain their lists or do not do what they're supposed to.
5) I tend to occasionally troll scammers like yourself as well as innocent people like MJ. It's all fun; don't worry about it snowflake. :-*

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Remember when you tried to blackmail DT members with that request that you've had? Cat 'members (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1614573.msg16221850#msg16221850). Seems similar.

bumping for relevancy

Go get a life, it's not relevant and neither are you. ::)

Lauda has said it all, and I don't think there is any relevance for you pump the thread Buddy.