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Title: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2010, 01:22:57 AM
http://twitter.com/eff (http://twitter.com/eff)

This made my day when I checked twitter. I think telling people to donate to them is better than trying to get involved in the wikileaks situation. Wikileaks will probably need the protection of the eff soon so the more people donate the better they can defend wikileaks.


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: Cryptoman on December 07, 2010, 04:04:38 AM
The page that they link to in today's tweet about Bitcoin is hard to find from their home page.  When you click the "Donate" button on the home page, you are not given a Bitcoin option.  Still, having them tweet about Bitcoin definitely helps build buzz.  I'm going to send them another donation, and I urge other forum members to do the same.  Be generous!


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: RHorning on December 07, 2010, 04:08:28 AM
The page that they link to in today's tweet about Bitcoin is hard to find from their home page.  When you click the "Donate" button on the home page, you are not given a Bitcoin option.

The link on the tweet I got was very close to the donation address.  It went straight to the page with the list of various donation methods, although I had to scroll up to find the Bitcoin address.

The address for the EFF donations, 1MCwBbhNGp5hRm5rC1Aims2YFRe2SXPYKt, is listed right there.


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: jgarzik on December 07, 2010, 04:58:42 AM
The page that they link to in today's tweet about Bitcoin is hard to find from their home page.  When you click the "Donate" button on the home page, you are not given a Bitcoin option.  Still, having them tweet about Bitcoin definitely helps build buzz.  I'm going to send them another donation, and I urge other forum members to do the same.  Be generous!

It's not easily highlighted, but from the big red 'Donate' button, you can go

  Learn other ways to help -> Other ways to help EFF

which finally lands you at http://www.eff.org/helpout where bitcoin is mentioned near the top.


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: ribuck on December 07, 2010, 12:04:04 PM
I sent my third donation to them today. I had never donated to them before, but it's just so easy with Bitcoin.


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: jancsika on June 01, 2011, 08:14:40 PM
EFF seems to have removed bitcoin donations from its website.


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: radracer on June 01, 2011, 10:07:43 PM
i received this after i emailed them when i noticed the bitcoin donation information was gone:
Quote
Thank you for contacting the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF). At this time, we have determined that legal tender is the best way to help EFF support online civil liberties. When we have completed our review of the options and legalities pertinent to bitcoin, we may make a statement. I'm not certain and I can't promise anything.

Thank you for your desire to support us!

Rebecca S. Reagan
Intake Coordinator
(415) 436-9333, Ext. 135
Become a Member! https://www.eff.org/support


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: Astro on June 01, 2011, 10:37:44 PM
Odd.  They've probably received in excess of $5000 USD in bitcoin donations by now.


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2011, 11:31:09 PM
If someone has a link for the internet archive page can you still use that bitcoin address ? lol


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: proudhon on June 02, 2011, 12:08:06 AM
If someone has a link for the internet archive page can you still use that bitcoin address ? lol

Or, if you donated to the EFF, and you tagged the transaction in your client, then you could post their wallet address here  ;)


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: Jaime Frontero on June 02, 2011, 12:19:01 AM
mmmm.

i'll wait.  although i've sent USD donations in the past.

but i will not support cowardice.

there's so much bravery to choose from...

EDIT:  but i will make the effort.

just sent to eff:

Quote
Thank you for contacting the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF). At this time, we have determined that legal tender is the best way to help EFF support online civil liberties. When we have completed our review of the options and legalities pertinent to bitcoin, we may make a statement. I'm not certain and I can't promise anything.

Thank you for your desire to support us!

Rebecca S. Reagan
Intake Coordinator
(415) 436-9333, Ext. 135
Become a Member! https://www.eff.org/support



i mean really, people.

if you should happen to resume practicing what you preach, i will be happy to send a donation your way.  in Bitcoin only, and to a Bitcoin address displayed on a publicly accessible page of your website.

thank you.

Jaime


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: N12 on June 02, 2011, 12:34:33 AM
This (http://blockexplorer.com/address/1MCwBbhNGp5hRm5rC1Aims2YFRe2SXPYKt) is their address, retrieved from the Google Cache (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?sclient=psy&hl=de&safe=off&source=hp&q=cache%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.eff.org%2Fhelpout&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1).

They received over 3.5k BTC in donations, so that would be worth 33k USD now.

Pretty ungrateful move if you ask me.


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: proudhon on June 02, 2011, 12:37:25 AM
This (http://blockexplorer.com/address/1MCwBbhNGp5hRm5rC1Aims2YFRe2SXPYKt) is their address, retrieved from the Google Cache (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?sclient=psy&hl=de&safe=off&source=hp&q=cache%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.eff.org%2Fhelpout&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1).

They received over 3.5k BTC in donations, so that would be worth 33k USD now.

Pretty ungrateful move if you ask me.

Thank you.  They will accept my donation.  They'll accept, and they'll like it.  >:(


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: mewantsbitcoins on June 02, 2011, 12:38:36 AM
Fucking pussies! I will never again send any donations to them


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: jerfelix on June 02, 2011, 12:42:12 AM
mmmm.

i'll wait.  although i've sent USD donations in the past.

but i will not support cowardice.

there's so much bravery to choose from...

I wholeheartedly agree. 

However, their Bitcoin address is in cache:
"Transfer Bitcoin P2P Cryptocurrency from your account to ours: 1MCwBbhNGp5hRm5rC1Aims2YFRe2SXPYKt
Learn more about Bitcoin."

(honest, that's thier's, not mine!)

Currently cached at http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:UKgtfFEbGtkJ:www.eff.org/helpout+eff+bitcoin&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com



Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: swerving on June 02, 2011, 12:48:47 AM
To be fair the EFF is a non-profit organization (made up of lawyers, no less) that has to follow strict legal and tax standards. Can you even imagine the tax paperwork for bitcoin? Even if they bought office supplies or something with the bitcoins instead of selling them on Mtgox, it still wouldn't be pretty.


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: Horkabork on June 02, 2011, 01:09:31 AM
To be fair the EFF is a non-profit organization (made up of lawyers, no less) that has to follow strict legal and tax standards. Can you even imagine the tax paperwork for bitcoin? Even if they bought office supplies or something with the bitcoins instead of selling them on Mtgox, it still wouldn't be pretty.

That's what I was thinking as well. Charitable donation tax code varies from state to state. They might, in one state, have to record donation sources over a certain amount (maybe not by name, but at least demonstrate if it was personal, corporate, or political).

But how do you tell where a donation is coming from with Bitcoin? They would first have to set up a storefront, and give each donor a unique address and have them provide at least some info for the books.

That, and there are some recent shady donation laws that were made in the name of anti-terrorism, but could possibly affect them. Google the phrase "geographic targeting orders" for example. Taking one donation that was later proven to be from a terrorist support organization could put their whole operation in jeopardy. It's a fight that would be worthwhile, but the EFF would probably rather pick their battles.


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: Jaime Frontero on June 02, 2011, 01:22:07 AM
To be fair the EFF is a non-profit organization (made up of lawyers, no less) that has to follow strict legal and tax standards. Can you even imagine the tax paperwork for bitcoin? Even if they bought office supplies or something with the bitcoins instead of selling them on Mtgox, it still wouldn't be pretty.

That's what I was thinking as well. Charitable donation tax code varies from state to state. They might, in one state, have to record donation sources over a certain amount (maybe not by name, but at least demonstrate if it was personal, corporate, or political).

But how do you tell where a donation is coming from with Bitcoin? They would first have to set up a storefront, and give each donor a unique address and have them provide at least some info for the books.

That, and there are some recent shady donation laws that were made in the name of anti-terrorism, but could possibly affect them. Google the phrase "geographic targeting orders" for example. Taking one donation that was later proven to be from a terrorist support organization could put their whole operation in jeopardy. It's a fight that would be worthwhile, but the EFF would probably rather pick their battles.

All true, Horkabork.

and yet... who shaves the barber?

see: https://www.eff.org/about

Quote
From the Internet to the iPod, technologies are transforming our society and empowering us as speakers, citizens, creators, and consumers. When our freedoms in the networked world come under attack, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) is the first line of defense.

if they won't defend themselves first, what confidence should we place in their ability to defend us?


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: proudhon on June 02, 2011, 02:11:12 AM
To be fair the EFF is a non-profit organization (made up of lawyers, no less) that has to follow strict legal and tax standards. Can you even imagine the tax paperwork for bitcoin? Even if they bought office supplies or something with the bitcoins instead of selling them on Mtgox, it still wouldn't be pretty.

That's what I was thinking as well. Charitable donation tax code varies from state to state. They might, in one state, have to record donation sources over a certain amount (maybe not by name, but at least demonstrate if it was personal, corporate, or political).

But how do you tell where a donation is coming from with Bitcoin? They would first have to set up a storefront, and give each donor a unique address and have them provide at least some info for the books.

That, and there are some recent shady donation laws that were made in the name of anti-terrorism, but could possibly affect them. Google the phrase "geographic targeting orders" for example. Taking one donation that was later proven to be from a terrorist support organization could put their whole operation in jeopardy. It's a fight that would be worthwhile, but the EFF would probably rather pick their battles.

All true, Horkabork.

and yet... who shaves the barber?

see: https://www.eff.org/about

Quote
From the Internet to the iPod, technologies are transforming our society and empowering us as speakers, citizens, creators, and consumers. When our freedoms in the networked world come under attack, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) is the first line of defense.

if they won't defend themselves first, what confidence should we place in their ability to defend us?

I hope they're taking this time to investigate how best to operate with bitcoin without getting themselves into trouble with the government.


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: asdf on June 02, 2011, 02:43:07 AM
All they have to do is generate a different address for every donation, so the government CAN'T track/tax their income. Like everyone else.

Isn't that the point of bitcoin.


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: kgo on June 02, 2011, 03:11:20 AM
I wouldn't say this is cowardice.

If they just immediately cash out all donations at MtGox, then you might as well just send them cash anyway.

I figure they were raising bitcoins half as an experiment and half as a rainy day fund.  They've got more than enough for their rainy day fund.  Any bitcoin donations you could make will just sit around and wouldn't do much good.  They might as well shut it down so you will donate to another cause that will actually use the bitcoins.



Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on June 02, 2011, 03:44:47 AM

Electronic what Foundation?


Guess we can't rely on them for squat.


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: shackra on June 02, 2011, 04:00:18 AM
I hope they're taking this time to investigate how best to operate with bitcoin without getting themselves into trouble with the government.

yeah, that is a better theory!


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: Anonymous on June 03, 2011, 03:08:31 AM
They should return the bitcoins to the bitcoin faucet.


Title: Re: The EFF thanks bitcoin donors.
Post by: mcdett on June 03, 2011, 03:51:14 AM
They should return the bitcoins to the bitcoin faucet.
+1