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Title: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
Post by: PurpleDog on August 27, 2017, 07:26:12 AM
I've always had problems with Electrum and I mean on different pcs with different op. systems (Win 7 and Win 10). See here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1792713.0) for example.

It's the worst thing to keep money in a wallet that is proving unstable. At least on my computers.

Now I got instructions as to how to recover BCH using ElectronCash.

It has the same behavior as Electrum. It won't open. To be fair, for a moment I even got to get into a wallet but it didn't last long. After I closed it it never opened again.

I tried deleting the ..\AppData\Roaming\ElectronCash folder, installing/reinstalling etc but nothing much happens.

Also, after "installation" I don't see no icon and I cannot locate the installation folder (if it is indeed installed anywhere).

There's nothing worse to have money in a wallet and be the prisoner of the damn wallet itself.

My experience with Electrum and ElectronCash, up to now, is terrible. I wouldn't recommend neither of the two to anyone. There's a chance they will work and there's a chance you'll find yourself sweating in anxiety.

I've ordered a hardware wallet and I hope this is going to save me from the Electrum uncertainty.

Anyway, a couple of questions:
  • what the f**k is going on with this damn thing?
  • where is it (ElectronCash) installed?
  • can I use the Electrum seed with some other wallet to recover my BCH? (I've already managed to sent the BTC to Poloniex)
thansks


Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
Post by: howard.ashoul on August 27, 2017, 07:33:24 AM
No instalation needed.

It will run directly from .exe file. Creating only folder in App (with your encrypted wallet).

I never had problem with Electrum/Electron. Both running Ok everytime.


Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
Post by: erre on August 27, 2017, 07:37:06 AM
Use coinomi mobile wallet


Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
Post by: PurpleDog on August 27, 2017, 07:47:23 AM
No instalation needed.

It will run directly from .exe file. Creating only folder in App (with your encrypted wallet).

I never had problem with Electrum/Electron. Both running Ok everytime.

I'm sure it works ok with lots of other people.

Like I said, I tried deleting the App folder but it didn't help. Now I'm restoring my whole computer from an image (yeah... that convenient) so that I might see it running at least once on a fresh system.

Use coinomi mobile wallet

What for? Do you mean that the Electrum seed is compatible with it and that I could recover my BCH with it?


Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
Post by: PurpleDog on August 27, 2017, 07:59:41 AM
Not even on a freshly installed o.s.

what other options are there? I think I'll try installing it on an Android.


Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
Post by: PurpleDog on August 27, 2017, 08:15:01 AM
I've installed it on Android and... it doesn't work there either! ;D

I've entered the seed and then: "Unfortunately, Electron-Cash has stopped."

You don't say...

That makes three different devices with three different o.s. where the ElectronCash doesn't work.


Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
Post by: PurpleDog on August 27, 2017, 10:00:00 AM
I had kept a copy of the wallet file and opening it with ElectronCash worked.

I gave a send order and it says it needs 20 confirmations. I've been waiting for sometime now with no confirmations. See how it goes.


Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
Post by: erre on August 27, 2017, 08:17:02 PM
Use coinomi mobile wallet

What for? Do you mean that the Electrum seed is compatible with it and that I could recover my BCH with it?

If you need to recover from seed, follow this tutorial:

https://blog.btc.com/your-bitcoin-cash-is-safe-with-btc-com-39b271da5692

I have read many flags about electrum cash, would avoid to use it if possible


Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
Post by: PurpleDog on September 02, 2017, 06:01:32 AM
btw here's my update in case other people will find it useful:

I had a spare copy of the wallet file. It's important to note, for everyone, that electrum and electronCash cannot coexist simultaneously on the same machine.

  • I installed and run electrum and sent my xbt to some wallet.
  • I removed the electrum installation and deleted the ..\AppData\Roaming\ElectronCash folder
  • I run the electronCash file
  • I opened the spare copy of the wallet file and sent the bch to some wallet

For some reason electrum and electronCash often don’t load on my Win7 machine and I never got to start them on my Win10 computer.

Anyway, all well when ends well.


Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
Post by: HCP on September 03, 2017, 12:40:22 AM
There must be something very odd with your installation... perhaps some security software or firewall that you're running or maybe some weird permissions issue or something is causing your problems. ???

I've not had major issues with either Electrum or ElectronCash on Windows 10 (or Windows 7 in a VM for that matter)... they both run quite happily on the same machine at the same time:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/zeLmd.png


Also, I think you meant to say that you removed the "..\AppData\Roaming\Electrum" folder ;)


Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
Post by: mrbittybunkr on December 29, 2017, 10:01:01 PM

    • can I use the Electrum seed with some other wallet to recover my BCH? (I've already managed to sent the BTC to Poloniex)
    thansks

    I have the same issue. If I enter my Electrum seed into Electrum Cash, the "Next" button is greyed out. I've enter the seed in vertically, horizontally, with spaces, with a comma. Nothing works :(


    Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
    Post by: TryNinja on December 29, 2017, 10:17:21 PM
      I have the same issue. If I enter my Electrum seed into Electrum Cash, the "Next" button is greyed out. I've enter the seed in vertically, horizontally, with spaces, with a comma. Nothing works :(
      The correct way is to just put a space between each word. "word1 word2 word3...";

      If it doesn't work, maybe the seed you are trying to enter is wrong? Go back to your Electrum wallet, then go to Wallet -> Seed and recheck your seed. If for some reason you still can't continue, you can just open your already existent Electrum wallet file into Electron Cash as they are both compatible.[/list]


      Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
      Post by: mrbittybunkr on December 29, 2017, 10:37:14 PM
        I have the same issue. If I enter my Electrum seed into Electrum Cash, the "Next" button is greyed out. I've enter the seed in vertically, horizontally, with spaces, with a comma. Nothing works :(
        The correct way is to just put a space between each word. "word1 word2 word3...";

        If it doesn't work, maybe the seed you are trying to enter is wrong? Go back to your Electrum wallet, then go to Wallet -> Seed and recheck your seed. If for some reason you still can't continue, you can just open your already existent Electrum wallet file into Electron Cash as they are both compatible.[/list]

        I went to Electrum wallet, then Wallet -> Seed but the "seed" link is greyed out? Let me elaborate, last week, I tried to log into my my Electrum wallet and it asked for my 2FA, but when I created the wallet it was not a 2FA. So I created a new wallet (within Electrum) and successfully made it 2FA and is showed the correct BTC amount. So, maybe a 2FA wallet does not contain the seed, by construction? I saved the seed on paper, I know it's correct because I am very careful.


        Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
        Post by: TryNinja on December 29, 2017, 10:51:41 PM
        I went to Electrum wallet, then Wallet -> Seed but the "seed" link is greyed out? Let me elaborate, last week, I tried to log into my my Electrum wallet and it asked for my 2FA, but when I created the wallet it was not a 2FA. So I created a new wallet (within Electrum) and successfully made it 2FA and is showed the correct BTC amount. So, maybe a 2FA wallet does not contain the seed, by construction? I saved the seed on paper, I know it's correct because I am very careful.
        If your wallet is a 2FA one, you can only see the seed while creating the wallet. So there is no way to recheck it again.

        But anyways, the issue here is that Electron Cash don't have support for the TrustedCoin 2FA (the one from Electrum), so you can't just use the seed to restore the wallet in Electron Cash. That's what you will need to do: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6wf50x/recovering_your_bitcoin_cash_from_a_trustedcoin/


        Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
        Post by: mrbittybunkr on December 29, 2017, 10:56:54 PM
        I went to Electrum wallet, then Wallet -> Seed but the "seed" link is greyed out? Let me elaborate, last week, I tried to log into my my Electrum wallet and it asked for my 2FA, but when I created the wallet it was not a 2FA. So I created a new wallet (within Electrum) and successfully made it 2FA and is showed the correct BTC amount. So, maybe a 2FA wallet does not contain the seed, by construction? I saved the seed on paper, I know it's correct because I am very careful.
        If your wallet is a 2FA one, you can only see the seed while creating the wallet. So there is no way to recheck it again.

        But anyways, the issue here is that Electron Cash don't have support for the TrustedCoin 2FA (the one from Electrum), so you can't just use the seed to restore the wallet in Electron Cash. That's what you will need to do: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6wf50x/recovering_your_bitcoin_cash_from_a_trustedcoin/

        I am 100% certain my seed is correct, I wrote it 3 times and also printed it. I've just check and all are the same. Thanks for your next steps and the link, but what is TrustedCoin? I have never had that so not sure it applied to me?


        Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
        Post by: TryNinja on December 29, 2017, 11:14:58 PM
        I am 100% certain my seed is correct, I wrote it 3 times and also printed it. I've just check and all are the same. Thanks for your next steps and the link, but what is TrustedCoin? I have never had that so not sure it applied to me?
        If you have a 2FA wallet in Electrum, you are using TrustedCoin as an intermediary.

        http://docs.electrum.org/en/latest/2fa.html
        http://docs.electrum.org/en/latest/_images/TrustedCoin.png


        Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
        Post by: mrbittybunkr on December 29, 2017, 11:22:10 PM
        I am 100% certain my seed is correct, I wrote it 3 times and also printed it. I've just check and all are the same. Thanks for your next steps and the link, but what is TrustedCoin? I have never had that so not sure it applied to me?
        If you have a 2FA wallet in Electrum, you are using TrustedCoin as an intermediary.

        http://docs.electrum.org/en/latest/2fa.html
        http://docs.electrum.org/en/latest/_images/TrustedCoin.png

        I followed these instructions https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6wf50x/recovering_your_bitcoin_cash_from_a_trustedcoin/ and although I couldn't complete step 21, I fumbled around and somehow now have an Electron Cash wallet open and it's showing +1515.43966 as the balance. If I click "send" I see that it will send mBCC (that is BITCONNECT COIN)? Where's my Bitcoin Cash!!?


        Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
        Post by: TryNinja on December 29, 2017, 11:45:28 PM
        I followed these instructions https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6wf50x/recovering_your_bitcoin_cash_from_a_trustedcoin/ and although I couldn't complete step 21, I fumbled around and somehow now have an Electron Cash wallet open and it's showing +1515.43966 as the balance. If I click "send" I see that it will send mBCC (that is BITCONNECT COIN)? Where's my Bitcoin Cash!!?
        Don't worry! This is your Bitcoin Cash and has nothing to do with Bitconnect.

        The Electron Cash version you downloaded (which was necessary for this method) was released when the Bitcoin Cash community was deciding between the ticker BCH and BCC (which is BCH now).

        BTW, 1000 mBCC = 1 BCC. You can change the display to BCC by going to Tools -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Change "Base Unit" to BCC.


        Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
        Post by: mrbittybunkr on December 30, 2017, 12:53:04 AM
        I followed these instructions https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6wf50x/recovering_your_bitcoin_cash_from_a_trustedcoin/ and although I couldn't complete step 21, I fumbled around and somehow now have an Electron Cash wallet open and it's showing +1515.43966 as the balance. If I click "send" I see that it will send mBCC (that is BITCONNECT COIN)? Where's my Bitcoin Cash!!?
        Don't worry! This is your Bitcoin Cash and has nothing to do with Bitconnect.

        The Electron Cash version you downloaded (which was necessary for this method) was released when the Bitcoin Cash community was deciding between the ticker BCH and BCC (which is BCH now).

        BTW, 1000 mBCC = 1 BCC. You can change the display to BCC by going to Tools -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Change "Base Unit" to BCC.

        Thank you everyone for your help.

        TryNinja, for sending me the link which solved my problem, please send me your BCH address so I can ping you over a few as a thank you.


        Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
        Post by: TryNinja on December 30, 2017, 01:32:06 AM
        Thank you everyone for your help.

        TryNinja, for sending me the link which solved my problem, please send me your BCH address so I can ping you over a few as a thank you.
        Thank you so much! That's very nice of you :D

        1NinjabXd5znM5zgTcmxDVzH4w3nbaY16L


        Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
        Post by: mrbittybunkr on January 02, 2018, 10:48:52 AM
        Thank you everyone for your help.

        TryNinja, for sending me the link which solved my problem, please send me your BCH address so I can ping you over a few as a thank you.
        Thank you so much! That's very nice of you :D

        1NinjabXd5znM5zgTcmxDVzH4w3nbaY16L

        Are you sure that's your correct BCH address? I opened my Ledger Nano Bitcoin Cash (Split) wallet and tried to transfer BCH to you several times but it always fails? I wonder if all the issues I had getting the BCH into my wallet somehow messed up and the funds are stuck?


        Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
        Post by: TryNinja on January 02, 2018, 04:41:54 PM
        Are you sure that's your correct BCH address? I opened my Ledger Nano Bitcoin Cash (Split) wallet and tried to transfer BCH to you several times but it always fails? I wonder if all the issues I had getting the BCH into my wallet somehow messed up and the funds are stuck?
        That's weird... I actually had some BCH during the fork in this address, so I'm pretty sure it should work. Do you get any error message while trying to send the BCH? And is this only happening when you try to send them to my address?


        Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
        Post by: mrbittybunkr on January 02, 2018, 09:29:27 PM
        Are you sure that's your correct BCH address? I opened my Ledger Nano Bitcoin Cash (Split) wallet and tried to transfer BCH to you several times but it always fails? I wonder if all the issues I had getting the BCH into my wallet somehow messed up and the funds are stuck?
        That's weird... I actually had some BCH during the fork in this address, so I'm pretty sure it should work. Do you get any error message while trying to send the BCH? And is this only happening when you try to send them to my address?

        The error message was simply "Error"! I haven't attempted to send to anyone else. Do you have BCH in your wallet at the moment? Can you open your wallet and copy the address once more to check?


        Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
        Post by: TryNinja on January 03, 2018, 12:32:07 AM
        Are you sure that's your correct BCH address? I opened my Ledger Nano Bitcoin Cash (Split) wallet and tried to transfer BCH to you several times but it always fails? I wonder if all the issues I had getting the BCH into my wallet somehow messed up and the funds are stuck?
        That's weird... I actually had some BCH during the fork in this address, so I'm pretty sure it should work. Do you get any error message while trying to send the BCH? And is this only happening when you try to send them to my address?

        The error message was simply "Error"! I haven't attempted to send to anyone else. Do you have BCH in your wallet at the moment? Can you open your wallet and copy the address once more to check?
        I don't have any BCH atm.

        I'm 100% that the address is correct: 1NinjabXd5znM5zgTcmxDVzH4w3nbaY16L
        I also have this one which has a few satoshis on it (of BCH): 3DrtnT916Lzg2uicoJFLHAsef8XBdtiHUk

        Try to do like this guy said (enable and use the BCH app): https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoincash/comments/7guvyv/sending_failed_ledger_nano_s_bitcoin_cash_error/dqmhotr/


        Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
        Post by: mrbittybunkr on January 03, 2018, 10:55:30 AM
        Are you sure that's your correct BCH address? I opened my Ledger Nano Bitcoin Cash (Split) wallet and tried to transfer BCH to you several times but it always fails? I wonder if all the issues I had getting the BCH into my wallet somehow messed up and the funds are stuck?
        That's weird... I actually had some BCH during the fork in this address, so I'm pretty sure it should work. Do you get any error message while trying to send the BCH? And is this only happening when you try to send them to my address?

        The error message was simply "Error"! I haven't attempted to send to anyone else. Do you have BCH in your wallet at the moment? Can you open your wallet and copy the address once more to check?
        I don't have any BCH atm.

        I'm 100% that the address is correct: 1NinjabXd5znM5zgTcmxDVzH4w3nbaY16L
        I also have this one which has a few satoshis on it (of BCH): 3DrtnT916Lzg2uicoJFLHAsef8XBdtiHUk

        Try to do like this guy said (enable and use the BCH app): https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoincash/comments/7guvyv/sending_failed_ledger_nano_s_bitcoin_cash_error/dqmhotr/

        Yes that worked, shows how much I don't know! Tried to send you about $10 and I think it's gone through fine. Thanks for your help. I would like to send you $10 worth of Ripple too as you've been so helpful. What's your XRP address? PS. This is a new business model actually, set up a platform where noobies can get help and then pay once they've fixed their issues ... I wanted such a service because (remember) I wasted many days trying to get my BCH before you showed up!


        Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
        Post by: erre on January 03, 2018, 12:10:32 PM
        Are you sure that's your correct BCH address? I opened my Ledger Nano Bitcoin Cash (Split) wallet and tried to transfer BCH to you several times but it always fails? I wonder if all the issues I had getting the BCH into my wallet somehow messed up and the funds are stuck?
        That's weird... I actually had some BCH during the fork in this address, so I'm pretty sure it should work. Do you get any error message while trying to send the BCH? And is this only happening when you try to send them to my address?

        The error message was simply "Error"! I haven't attempted to send to anyone else. Do you have BCH in your wallet at the moment? Can you open your wallet and copy the address once more to check?
        I don't have any BCH atm.

        I'm 100% that the address is correct: 1NinjabXd5znM5zgTcmxDVzH4w3nbaY16L
        I also have this one which has a few satoshis on it (of BCH): 3DrtnT916Lzg2uicoJFLHAsef8XBdtiHUk

        Try to do like this guy said (enable and use the BCH app): https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoincash/comments/7guvyv/sending_failed_ledger_nano_s_bitcoin_cash_error/dqmhotr/

        Yes that worked, shows how much I don't know! Tried to send you about $10 and I think it's gone through fine. Thanks for your help. I would like to send you $10 worth of Ripple too as you've been so helpful. What's your XRP address? PS. This is a new business model actually, set up a platform where noobies can get help and then pay once they've fixed their issues ... I wanted such a service because (remember) I wasted many days trying to get my BCH before you showed up!

        Desing the first days after the fork i helped many newbies to bet out this bcash and i got some tips top, if You are going to create such a service please pm me, i would be glad to partecipate


        Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
        Post by: TryNinja on January 03, 2018, 05:14:05 PM
        Yes that worked, shows how much I don't know! Tried to send you about $10 and I think it's gone through fine. Thanks for your help. I would like to send you $10 worth of Ripple too as you've been so helpful. What's your XRP address?
        I don't have a Ripple wallet right now and looks like they require a reserve amount of 20 ripple to create your wallet (or something like this). So if you don't mind, you can send them to my Binance address and next week I may buy some more to hold.

        That's what I see in Binance's deposit page: "Depositing Ripple to Binance requires BOTH a deposit address and a deposit Tag. If you fail to include the tag with your deposit the funds will be lost forever.".
        (I don't know how difficult is to do this, so you don't need to send them If it's too much work for you)

        XRP Address: rEb8TK3gBgk5auZkwc6sHnwrGVJH8DuaLh
        XRP Deposit Tag: 108961721

        PS. This is a new business model actually, set up a platform where noobies can get help and then pay once they've fixed their issues ... I wanted such a service because (remember) I wasted many days trying to get my BCH before you showed up!
        That's a pretty neat idea! I would gladly participate in a platform like this. Not only for the tips, but because I really enjoy helping people who are starting in the cryptocurrencies world. Thank you again for the tips! That's actually the first time I got tipped. :D


        Title: Re: ElectronCash wallet won't open (no surprise)
        Post by: mrbittybunkr on January 08, 2018, 04:05:50 PM
        Yes that worked, shows how much I don't know! Tried to send you about $10 and I think it's gone through fine. Thanks for your help. I would like to send you $10 worth of Ripple too as you've been so helpful. What's your XRP address?
        I don't have a Ripple wallet right now and looks like they require a reserve amount of 20 ripple to create your wallet (or something like this). So if you don't mind, you can send them to my Binance address and next week I may buy some more to hold.

        That's what I see in Binance's deposit page: "Depositing Ripple to Binance requires BOTH a deposit address and a deposit Tag. If you fail to include the tag with your deposit the funds will be lost forever.".
        (I don't know how difficult is to do this, so you don't need to send them If it's too much work for you)

        XRP Address: rEb8TK3gBgk5auZkwc6sHnwrGVJH8DuaLh
        XRP Deposit Tag: 108961721

        PS. This is a new business model actually, set up a platform where noobies can get help and then pay once they've fixed their issues ... I wanted such a service because (remember) I wasted many days trying to get my BCH before you showed up!
        That's a pretty neat idea! I would gladly participate in a platform like this. Not only for the tips, but because I really enjoy helping people who are starting in the cryptocurrencies world. Thank you again for the tips! That's actually the first time I got tipped. :D

        Yes that's fine, adding the tag is easy (in Ledger Wallet you click "Advanced"). I will send you XRP soon, basically when I next fire up my Ledger Nano! You really helped me loads and I wish you much success.