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Hey folks,

i am wondering what are the differences between presale we see that often and an ICO. why do companies run a presale mostly with higher benefits compared to the following ICO? do investors have to stick to some kind of conditions afterwards? (hold at least for x month?) i dont assume that because ppl sometimes gather, group up to collect the minimum needed in a certain presale and participate. so what is so special about presale?

i assume it's because pre-sale investors take a higher risk because of among other things ETH or BTC price fluctuations in the time between pre-sale and ICO, and since it's before most people are aware of the project it's harder to tell how well-received it will be. also i think it's common that you have to make a bigger contribution than the minimum required for ICO participation

this is just my thoughts tho, haven't participated in a presale yet, but will when i find the right project and discover it at right time

I like the price differentiation nowadays. I think earlier people should be rewarded more as well!

The presale is a way to generate buzz ahead of time or open a sale to only whales/prearranged participants before the general public can participate.

I don't like the idea of providing presale discounts, etc. For a decentralized token sale, the sale itself shouldn't be rigged in this manner. Hence the reason we decided not to do a presale campaign for BannerCoin (BCOIN) - BannerCoin.com (http://BannerCoin.com)

Presale is a cheap promotional ICO. We can call it a reward for early investors.
It's an advertising strategy as well.

I think presale is a private sale before ICO

I think it's more about generating FOMO; getting people rushed into buying to get the best 'rewards' but many times, the rewards are really the justified price of the token.  I've recently soured on ICO's so maybe my bias is coming out.  I'd love to see some analysis on the ratio of 'profitable' ICO's; for instance, how many of them have a higher token price one year after release.

Presale has more risks in it. An ICO shows how popular a coin actually is.

Pre-sale is win-win situation.inverstors take high risk and they accept big enterance limits so that they get some bonusses.On the other hand owners also make good profits because before crowdsale they gain so much money.

Pre-sale to check the demand about your token and to give the more interest in your project, and a lot of the team already offered the high bonus in pre-sale. the ico just the real crowdsale that aimed high result for the crowdfunding. The pre-sale just to teach everyone about the ico or just the way to advertise the ico.

A presale usually has a higher bonus than the ICO.  The project is just trying to get some traffic through the door before they launch the ICO.  They may also need the funds to use for marketing and for the beta version of the project.  Presales are usually very short and sell out pretty quick depending on the project. 

Maybe with pre-ico a project will generate a lot of investors, where every pre-ico will give you an extra or equivalent promo, it's all for the sake of success. then the pre-ico. different with the token price when ico is launched.

that is are same for porpuse sell of coins. usually for pre-ico is have big offer / bonus than ICO held. possibly you will a be guess star of investment.

Presale is still considered an ICO, that is why it is sometimes referred to as pre-ICO. It is for the early investors that are really supporting the project big time. The bonus is bigger of course for the early birds.  I would prefer the ICO proper so that I could use the data of the project's pre-ICO, whether it is a sold out or not, as a basis for my decision.

In pre sales do people just promise how much they plan to commit during an ico or they already bought it during the pre ico by sending their bitcoins to the address?

Someone said presale is an ICO. No, it is not. A presale is comparable to an alpha or beta launch of a product/service. An ICO is the official launch of the fully functional product.

Presale only about offer before the big sale, from presale a project will have some indicator to still continue project or stop. Presale have a high target, that's why they try to create audience ( community ) and market for their product. At this phase, development will give bonus for buying and also campaign to introducing their product. ICO is different, at this phase development will give you update information and keep audience ( members ) stay with them, the price product will follow presale result. Have a nice day.

From what I see, presale always have minimum amount to invest (for example 10ETH) IMO, it is to attract investors who want to invest a higher amount and enjoy more bonus. This is a way to raise confidence level in ICO.

This is correct. Actually pre-sale is a big chance to get cheaper token than while ICO. But this required min amount to invest/buy, sometimes people who have bought during pre-sale will get other bonus, such trezor wallet (bitjob's offer).

What are some ICOs with super smart and successful presales?

We are currently raising a pre sale for our ICO and one of the reasons is to ensure that the product and concept are fully ready for ICO stage.  It's also good to have early ambassadors on board with the project and it allows early stage costs to be covered such as marketing, platform development.  For us it means that at least when we are launching the ICO the idea has already gained quite a bit of traction.  

Hope that helps,

Angela

Yes, pre-ICO may also be used by the project in order to test the waters so to speak. In that way, they would know if their project is gaining a wide support. If not, then they would have much time to upgrade their marketing and promotion so that when the ICO comes, they are sure that they have already reached the targeted investors.

I agree with your opinion. because the price of a coin at presale is usually cheaper than ICO.

Presale gives you an advantage of buying the crypto at a cheaper price than their targeted price during ICO it could be up to 50 percent cheaper. This is also the same as on pre-sale of Real Estate properties, presale is always cheaper than the actual selling price.It is a marketing strategy to augment market demands.

the ico market is very hot this year, people get cheaper coins at little risk through presale, but when the market is cooling down, presale means high risk as the ico may even not succeed

I believe that Presale is like a demo/pilot version of the real ICO where a company can use it to assess its readiness for the big & real ICO.
That said; for the Presale investors; there are usually lots of good features & benefits during the Presale, like: Presale token price is lower than the ICO price (meaning more profit when things stabilize & the token starts to get traded) & also the ability to get refunded if things don't go well during the Presale.

The price of token on Presale is lower. Also, could be some bonuses by time or by amount of ETH..

Also, a lot of startups want to raise some little amount of money to prepare for ICO + hire some more people, improve the product (like Ahoolee (http://ahoolee.io) or Crowdholding (https://ico.crowdholding.com))

ICOs which are coming up with clear cut and focused objectives are the ones making the most out of presale (reaching the max presale cap within no time) and this is the effect of offering an incentive to the investors a discounted rate at the time of presale. Of course it is a gamble for the investors but it is much better to obtain tokens at a better rate than during the ICO itself.
If an ICO presale gets a lot of investors buzzing and fills the max cap very quickly, rest assured the ICO stage's hard cap will also be fulfilled soon and this is exactly why a presale before the actual ICO would mean the difference for many new coins out there.

Presales kinda piss me off why is someone getting it before I am at an even cheaper price? I feel kinda ripped off if I see an ico with a presale - an ico is not an ico if it has a presale

ICO = initial coin offering is this not correct? If you have presale you have already offered coins so you are lieing calling it an ico

as far as I know ico vs pre sale it cuman sales difference, pre sales it before the sale of the original coin price,
then pre sale it coins procces far from the original price

This is simplest way to get some useful moneys for your project. If you have fine idea you can attract serious buyers. And then you will make succesfull ICO.

That's a really good point but also you need to weigh that up with the fact that most ICO's perhaps in earlier stages of team or product development don't get taken as seriously as those that already have a full team, some platform development done, a nice shiny white paper and a really sound pre marketing campaign.  And that all requires a bit of early stage cash - so I think the fact the very early stage investors risk more is why they get more benefit.  But I agree with you that initial should mean initial - but it would help if there was more acceptance of early stage projects at ICO stage though - a consistency in white paper information and more transparency about what was being invested in for each offering would maybe help negate the need for a pre sale

In pre-sale you take more risks, but you gain more profit.
In ICOs sometimes companies already gained their favorable cap and than all others can invest safely.

presale exists to give special privilege and bonus to big investors, that's why projects only allow some investors who want to join presale to invest big. they want to attract as money big investors as they can while ICO is offered for public, with low amount of minimum investment, even beggar can join the ICO to invest their money.
so you guys who feels ripped off by the existence of presale, should try hard to gather money so you can join the upcoming presale.

We are running a pre-ICO to gather money for the main ICO.

To perform well during ICO you will have to promote a lot and invest money into ads, community managers and other marketing things.

So pre-ICO is for early investors who already have faith in project and are willing to support them with money. Usually they are given good discounts as a reward during the pre-ICO.

For example, we give our pre-ICO (https://presale.dolphin.bi) investors 25% bonus (=20% discount).

Exactly what i think, it allows the startup to raise some capital also to push harder their ICO. I think it's also a great concept as it rewards the early investors with a bonus price for their faith in the project.

I think the only difference between presale and ico is the price of the coin or token. If you are going to participate to the presale then i can say that you can save a lot of money from that event because you can buy a coin that is a lot cheaper than the price in the ico.

Hi Guys,

Check this topic regarding presale ICO:


The second ICO our of Korea is coming soon (BOScoin was the first). DAYLI Financial Group (formerly Yello Finance Group) is preparing to launch a coin called ICON. The site was opened on the 2nd. Of all things, the Korea version of the Whitepaper attracted me the most, and after reading through, I felt the company was well prepared.

ICON is an interconnecting blockchain network. ICON can connect independent blockchains without the use of additional third-party intermediaries. Various blockchains can communicate with each other through the ICON platform. By connecting siloed blockchains, ICON aims to become the largest blockchain in existence.

ICON tokens are named ICX. ICX is used as an intermediary currency when transacting amongst the various blockchain networks. As an inter-chain blockchain, the ICON platform will be able to host other ICOs on the ICON platform.

The ICON ICO will be the largest ICO in Korea. Overall, ICON aims to raise $44M over the span of 2 weeks. The ICO starts on October 20th, 2017 and ends on November 3rd, 2017. ICON will distribute 400,230,000 ICX which can only be exchanged with Ethereum (ETH). 1 ETH has a conversion rate of 2,500 ICX (1 ETH = 2,500 ICX).

https://icon.foundation/en/

Pre-sale is a sale before the ICO implemented. In pre-sale usually give bonus to investor who invest but they are limited, this pre sale to provide interest for investors to invest into. Behind the success of the pre-sale it indicates that the project has been successful, although later there next sale is ICO.

that's bounty your who interest and accept risk when invest in ICO. some people just wait many people invest to an ICO to make sure it's not a scam

some current are change, blackmoon

Sometimes the presale use the fund raised for advertisement  and those who join in presale recieve high bonus than the main ICO.
the difference is the price of each coin when you join presale you can buy at cheaper price.

Pre sale is actually the phase of coin selling before the ICO has even begun. The bonuses are high during presale than they are during ICO but the risks are really high. Risk of investing in pre sale are higher than that of ICO. You should only invest during pre ico is the project seems 100 percent legit to you.

Crowdholding has a presale now with bonuses 10%, 15%, 20%
https://ico.crowdholding.com

ussually i call presale is hot promo ;D its condition dev give investor cheaper example if you invest 1eth you get 1000coins but for ico if you invest 1 eth you get 500 or 600coins
what us spesial presale? you get more coins so its mean you can get more profit in the market

Pre-Sale tend to always offer incentives, large bonuses 30-40%.

However they come with a much higher risk.

Populous PPT is a good example from this past summer.

if pre-ico is for whale then it is the suck. should be ban from cryptocurrency

but if pre-sale is open to all investor, then it's good. the investors in pre-sale they have more risk. they should get more return. also, strategy partners in business model deserve some benefit too

the devs may need money sooner before the ico also. just beware of scam

Pre-sale is somewhat a market strategy to create an atmosphere of FOMO in the ICO so that when the ICO arrives people will rush-in and quickly filling up the hard cap of the ICO.

best teruns gives tokens that end in presale ater those hits exchange it bring a lot buzz and nice pump.
Worst thing for investros are over payed ICOs that will probably deliver shit.

YES, this is a big part of pre sale I think.

Here's the thing, how do we know if the sales in the pre sales actually took place, can someone please enlighten? Is it recorded in the blockchain for the transaction, from the investor's ETH(or any crypto) address to the ICO campaign address?

Investing in ICO is much better because the pre-sale is already done. That way, you can somehow gauge the project and the legitimacy of it using the pre-sale data you got. If they got it 100% and fast, then the ICO must be a good one as well and probably the project in general.

Presale is better than ICO if you spot a fair project, because no matter the dumping on exchange, the chances of your buy price being hit is tiny

For me they're the same.. But reading some replies here make me somewhat confuse. For me.."Pre"sale is like selling a product before the opening, right? And ICO or "Initial Coin Offering" from the word itself is selling a percentage of cryptocurrency before it's launching. Both is like a crowdsale. And based on an article that I have read, if an ICO doesn't meet the minimum funds required by the firm, it is deemed to be unsuccessful, and the funds should be returned to its backers. Unless it's a scam or what. I don't know if same applies with a presale if it's different from ICO. And if there is a presale before an ICO. It sounds like a presale before a presale. Please enlighten me. I'm still new here.

wild idea: read what has previously been posted in the thread to see if your questions have already been answered

Pre-sale involves more risk but is also the most rewarding when something does work out. Some pre-sales have minimum contributions.
Pre-Sale is also for hype and other things. Some people don't participate in pre-sale cause they aren't sure about a project and would like to see how that goes.
Some are then also still not sure during ICO and wait for the coin to be listed on exchanges, less risk. Some Presales and ICo's only deliver a concept and ask for faith in them.
which equals to more risk.

Presale, ICO, whitelist , its all marketing tactics to bring more investors and attract people
its just how it works...
and sometimes even the projects that look "the most promising" fall under the ICO price
even after whitelist and presale and even after selling all tokens in 7 minutes of ICO

What's special about pre-sale is that the developers often give big discount on the tokens sold during pre-sale. And big investors would love to be the first in line when buying certain coins or tokens. That's what's special about pre-sale and pre-icos.

ya indeed pre-sale offer you a great discount. and pre -sale would determine wether the ico is good or bad. but sometimes pre sale means nothing.

Seemingly forgotten in this discussion: presales can also serve the purpose of providing enough funding to develop a Minimum Viable Product - MVP. If they can get that far, prove the concept can work in a practical demonstration, then they can justify raising more money in a formal ICO and get an actual product to market.

Powerledger had a very good presale, but I feel like their ICO is struggling now. That means the coins are very cheap now, because they distribute 140mio no matter how much money they raise. You can find more info here (https://bounty.powerledger.io/btctalk/?hash=UN2H4claZer0n1cG)

presale is a pre-ico promotion step with more promotional bonus offers, this is effective if the project has a larger strategy and budget to convince its investors and partners if successful presale will result in high confidence from investors to engage in ico, but will be the opposite if pre- ico failed.

This is a nice and more transparent step in the promotion strategy.

presale is just testing for the ICO. if presale fails I think ICO will also fail but Im not saying if presale fails ICO will fail also. presale is just like building confidence on the investors.

This explains to us how misleading results of pre-ICOs could get. More often than not, we are happily joining the ICOs of projects with a sold out pre-ICO. For many of us, this means the ICO could also be similarly easy sold out, like a replay of the pre-ICO. What we miss is the possibility that all the interested investors are already buying during the pre-ICO and no more investors left in the ICO. It is possible. But there are still so many other factors to consider.

I am part of a big project that is going to have an ICO and we decided to have a presale for several reasons. It is an opportunity for early supporters to get a good bonus and it is also very important for the project, to promote the main ICO. Once we have successfully executed an effective and secure presale process, investors can become more confident about the project and about the competence of the team. Besides, we will release a working demo of the platform between the presale and the main ICO. People that already know the team and that have been following the project since the beginning already have the confidence to contribute during the presale, before the release of the product, and for that, they should be rewarded with a bonus/better price. Afterwards, it will be easier for the general public to hear about the Auctus project and participate on the ICO with a lower risk, but no bonus.

i agree with you if presale succesed ico have been success.!
i think if invest in presale you get more coin. and cheaper for the price

If you go to altcoin announcements you can find some ICO's that offer presales!

Do they offer presales from the get go once the announce ANN, or they wait a few weeks. Just wondering.

Usually in Pre-sale a coin the price will be very cheap and the bonus is abundantly different with ICO when the price will be a bit expensive and bonus offered slightly.

Do we send the payment to the address in blockchain, or their company private address. Because it's pre ICO so if they don't program it in smart contract, or if they need to give "special" discount then maybe it's hard to write the smart contract?

ICO Presale or also known as Pre-ICO, is the token sale event that Blockchain enterprises run before the official crowdsale or ICO campaign goes live. The fund-raising targets for Pre-ICOs are often lower as compared to that of the main ICO and tokens are usually sold cheaper.

For the purposes of prudence, Pre-ICOs ideally make use of separate smart contracts from the main ICO event - This is informed by the need to avoid a mixture of Pre-ICO funds with the main ICO to enable proper and easy account reconciliation and audit.

Some projects run Pre-ICOs as a way to accrue funds to cater for the expenses incurred on the way to launching the main ICO. Some of the expenses include paid promo ads, strategic recruitment and meet-up costs to help whip up investor interests.

And that would be the one we should need to catch up if the project is good since we can earn for instant for the bunos given by the devs team by the time they implement their presale. And by presale bunos investors will doesn't need to worry about such lost on the first day of addition on the coin they've bought since the percentage of the bunos can give them already some profits eventhough the bounty hunters dump their bounty coins.

I would prefer a presale more than ICO's they are not the same, and pre sales happen on most of any kind of market around the world.

In almost most cases there aren't any after sale conditions.
Pre-sales are usually run for very short period (days to week) and the main point is to check what would be investors interest in particular project. And this is bringing additional bonus for early birds/investors.

I'm making almost of my ICO investment in pre-sale for biggest bonus.

Higher the Risk - Higher the Return

Lower the Risk - Lower the Return

It is simply as to how much you believe or willing to risk into a coin!

I think they are good for everyone.

The startup - gets early investments, publicity and a buzz about their coin / token. Also they will have money for expenses when launching the ICO, i.e. scaling of staff members, marketing budget etc. Have to remember not all companies are backed by loads of cash and maybe they are bootstrapping everything.

The users - Get more value for their early investments, get to talk about a product and see it grow. Also if you invest in the pre-sale then your investment already has made some money (as the price will have increased), once they launch it onto the market.

PreSale is just a tool for their promotions to sell tokens on PreSale with huge prizes over prizes or bonuses on ICO or token sale.
Presale determines the success of ICO.

Pre-sale is giving more guarantee than ICO.there is some ICO's we cant catch but on the pre-sale your relx and also they gave you extra bonusses but on the other hand if you invest during the ICO your money be not tradable for a month

Presales are coming with more bonus, which means if you want to dump your tokens after the ICO end, this will be much easier for you to sell them without lookin at the low price.

PCO is the new acronym. The better, improved ICO - discuss -  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2198016 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2198016)

I didn't invent the PCO, I just "coined" it.

You know I was just thinking the other day that exactly what this needs is another acronym  :D

I think it could catch on though!

Just to get some early cash I assume.

Apparently we missed out on the opportunity since no PCO for BannerCoin (http://www.bannercoin.com).  :(

Maybe we can get credit for the new term as a consolation prize!

Thanks for all your replies. Also did my research, and yes, you are right, seems it is for some big guys to chip in, and to make sure that they can run the ICO, prepare it. Pretty sure marketing costs are high to ensure having a well known ICO coming up.  :)

You should just do a 1 or two day ICO, if your product doesn't get any investment then start with what you have.

Most of the ICO conduct pre-sale so that they can collect money from people who is willing to invest in their company as early as they can with a big discount than the exact ICO.

Ha ha here's hoping!

Yes! Buy it won't work in that way all the times. For example take power ledger ICO as an example,  At presale the tokens were sold at 8.8c per token and they have collected $17 million. This made them to be confident on ICO but it's already in last week and they need to raise twice the amount that's already been raisen to be fair for Pre ICO investors.

Presale is a fundraiser before ICO, usually the project developer organizes presale to give more discount to attract investors, but for the investor will more risky to buy tokens in presale when hard cap is not reached and project fails, but also very profitable if project succeed. So that why will be very important to learn that project first before buy their token .
Before join presale better first learn the project in fundamentally like who the team founder and what problems will be solved.

I think presales are more attrative to join than ICOs. As they do huge bonuses or discounts in presales. On the other hand you are just buying "air" in presales. But in icos you are at least buying alfa product.

i prefer pre-sale if the coin is worth buying at early phase. if the whitepaper is crap but there's higher hyped score, I'll just buy it at crowdsale.

Why don't they just do a lengthy ICO then?

Presale is a fundraiser organizer by developers before ICO, and the goal is to attract investors by giving bigger bonuses. Presale with bigger bonus just like marketing strategy. But with the bigger bonus given will also be followed by high risk if after ICO finished the hard cap not reached and the project get failed. So it is very important to study the white paper and other fundamentals of the project before investing.

That's exactly what it is - although there are some ways to mitigate the risk for the very early pre sale.  We are using an escrow service and contracts so that if the pre sale doesn't raise the required funds then everything will be returned via the escrow service.  Still risky but there are a few things that projects can do to try and de-risk the opportunities

I think they spend a pre ICO in order to get the money for the ICO and advertising of the project.

Yes, most of the ICO companies are conducting the pre-ico phase for the cheap price. But at the time of ICO, the value be slightly higher compared to pre-ico phase. Some companies are reaching the minimum hard cap and some companies are not reaching the minimum soft cap.

yes as long as its profit and we know more about the ico i rather choose the crowdsale with a smaller bonus in purchase. yes its true thats mean we are in opportunity-lost but since its profitable and safety rather than i buy in presale i would rather loss a bit and gain a lot of money than lose all of my money cause invest in a wrong ico.

I think they do this in order to find out how the project is interesting to people.

It can also be done as a way to get people interested. Pre-sales often have better incentives than ICOs, and gaining momentum can be difficult for many great projects. Pre-sales (PCOs) can inject a much needed investment in order to ramp up the future investment. Think of it as a discount for the first few customers of a new business.

Presale is a cheap promotional ICO. We can call it a reward for early investors.
It's an advertising strategy as well.
Have anyone already checked https://mytc.io/ ? If I understand it correctly I could get tokens just cooperating with their sponsors. Like cashback or I don’t know. But the main idea is great. Is it safe?

The price is different because it is rewarding early adopters into the system.

Remember if they have a successful Pre-ICO, it means they can use that money towards increasing their team, more marketing and preparing for their ICO. Personally I like this system as it helps both parties.

Presale is not the same as ICO ,Presale rewards the investors who take the risk to invest their money in a project which is bound to either kick start or not. But ICO is the main sale of the project to the general public. Presale can make you a millionaire if you invest wisely and the project become a success.

getting people rushed into buying to get the best 'rewards' but many times, the rewards are really the justified price of the token.  I've recently soured on ICO's so maybe my bias is coming out.A presale usually has a higher bonus than the ICO.

But some pre-sale is only for some specific people, so that can not call as a reward. Those people with lots of free token can control the price, that is not unfair for late investors.

I dont really investing in presale nor ICO especially the ones that gives 50% discount before the ICO is started morelikely the coin wont have any value after it is listed in the exchanges.

Usually the difference is just the price of the token, I think it is a good idea for both the startup and the earl adopter.

Why not reward the early adopters who allowed the project to move forward. And also the ICO receives the investment they are looking for. I am only concerned if the pre-sale is too much of a good deal because no altcoin should want to throw coins away if they will be valuable in the future.

Pre-sale is the First Phase in conducting the ICO. It gives the early investor more bonus than Tokensale. If you want to experience massive bonus from both ICO and tokensale you can, because The Abyss ICO has an ICO right now with more bonuses awaits you there.

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At the pre-sale stage, you can get good bonuses for tokens or discounts. For example, IQeon (https://iqeon.io/en) project provides 50% bonus

Yeah, join in the presale is more risky than joining in ICO since you can see the presale progress Then make a decision. Also, it will give you more profit since there is bonus for presale participates.

While presale offers a better entrance point financially on the coin, it can also be seen as riskier.  This is why there are typically bonuses for those early investors, as there should be a higher reward for those that get in on the ground floor.

I think the presale is just an avenue by which an potential investor show his/her interest in the purchase of the ICO. The presale helps to cushion the sale of the ICO.it also help the organisation to know how much they could envisage in a prospective project.

Usually there's a bonus offered with the presale period.. it is a good idea to get those early investors in. Such as the case of CyberTrust project. Right now it is on its Pre-ICO or pre-sale stage.. https://www.cybertrust.io

Presales are annoying. Yeah everyone loves to be first to buy cheaper but it fucks later investors.
So I prefer regular investment scheme. You open ico and sell from fixed price and that's it.

I advise you invest in Presale only if you confident in project. Presale provides 30%+ add-coins and etc, ICO provides cleary results, you should analyze every detail in project.

Presales are more riskier then An actual ICO. If you buy in pre sale you are taking higher risk so they give you higher reward.
You can find ICO list here www.listico.io Upcoming and Ongoing ICO projects.

It seems that the presale offers greater reward to early investors, with the condition that there is also a higher risk involved on the investor´s side as it is completely uncharted territory.  The presale not only fosters coin recognition prior to the ICO, but the funds raised during this time will also help marketing costs for the ICO launch.

Yeah, of course there's a 3rd option, buy on the market after the ICO. You can get lucky and buy it for half price or less. But you can also have bad luck and the price will be much higher than during the presale.

i will say presale is the way for me to realize will the future of that ICO be success or not, if their coin can be sold out immediately that will be a good sign showing more investors are interting in that ICO, from that the crowdsale of ICO will have much chance to success in the future.

As for developers, Pre-ICO is kind of project protection and round for private investors, and it's the best time to invest in case of ROI. And first of all just a marketing tool)))

Pre-sale is very good for investors becuase of the discount one get but there is also risk here, because you tie down your money for long period and you are betting that the project is going to be successful if not it may hurt

I have been reading up on this recently - and found Civic was certainly successful, with around $33 million in funds raised in the Pre-Sale - however (again from what I have read) they ended up over-selling tokens, and actually had to recall some - so definitely a successful pre-sale, but perhaps not super smart, as having to recall anything is not a desirable outcome in most cases.

From what I've been reading about Pre-Sales, they are primarily designed to get a financial influx ahead of an ICO - to cover costs like hiring additional staff, covering the costs of getting the ICO ready. Some ICO's with Pre-Sales have been run really well, while others have had their challenges. One of the big problems that some projects faced when running a Pre-Sale prior to the ICO, is the Pre-sale price of tokens is often significantly cheaper - and a lot of projects don't enforce any restrictions on when those initial tokens can be sold.

So what has happened with some of these situations, is the early investors who got in at a discount, then sold their tokens when the tokens initially list - generally at a price higher than they paid. This is seen as a safe and guaranteed return on their money without really risking market volatility. This is a reward for early investors, but can have a negative effect on the price of the token once it hits exchanges in the early stages. It's never a good look for the price of something to tank once it's available to the public.

It's an interesting topic and there's so far been a lot of different variants attempted, with varying levels of success. ICO's like Canya and INS have been run intelligently to prevent this kind of dump of tokens early, in that they offer significant rewards for those who buy early, and hold, by using periodic airdrops to those wallets found to still contain coins from the ICO or Pre-Sale phase. Free tokens for hodling is a fairly lucrative incentive to hold after all.

Most of the pre-sales of these projects will get investor's higher risk of losing their investment if the sale doesnt meet its goal,the advantage of this the tokens are more cheap than Pre-ICO sales.

Pre-ICO will give less risk to the investors to lose their investment,advantages of this they will get tokens cheaper than the usual price in ICO.
ICO- More investors will invest here because the pre-sales and pre-ICO were successful ,giving them lesser chance to lose their money but the tokens are sold in its usual price.

Main difference is just the price, you usually get more of the alt coins in the pre-sale / more bonuses than in the ICO.

The benefits that you get if you buy on pre-sale is you can get a big bonus. If you wave invest with big amount, you can pm the dev and i think you can get more bonuses. If the project is really good, many people will join the pre-sale and even reach the hardcap in a minute. Like insurepal, their open crowdsale ICO is only take 30seconds.

As far as I understand, both of them offer the chance to community to purchase some coins before it is released. Normally pre-sales offer higher benefits like some percentage of bonus to the amount you buy and the unit price also might be lower. And when it comes to Initial Coin Offering, the bonus amount might be less or not available anymore and price might be little bit high. Anyway the consideration is the risk. It is very high risk to invest during pre-sales as the project is not well known and might end up with scam.

They are just the same I think. Pre sale is just a marketing strategy to get more investors by giving discounts and privileges. The risk would be greater on Pre-sale than to the actual ICO.

Usually the only difference is the fact that you get more for your money in a pre-sale.

People might avoid a pre-sale because they want the project to grow before investing, if the ICO has a successful pre-sale and is growing it is a safer investment.

presale and ico are combinations in the success of a project. A good ico usually will include presale at the time of sale to get a good response from investors and be assured at the time of sale ico. so I think it's a good merger.

In pre-sale they look to rise some funds from mostly accredited investors. In presale the contribution is higher and they rise higher funds from a few people. ICO or main sale or crowd sale is for the public as longer as their country is not restricted. you can join and most times a kyc is required.

The only difference is, that devs offer big discount for presale investments but if they choose to make too big of a bonus, it can backfire since early investors can dump the coin after ICO.

The main difference is the price. You get more for your investment in the pre-sale.

People might not go for the Pre-sale because they fear the project might not have the support, after a successful Pre-sale they are usually more well known and have more adopters. The reason that the startup does the pre-sale is to raise some capital so they can push their ICO to become more successful.

Be careful with Pre-sales, as some of the investors are pure speculators and will dump the coin as soon as it hits exchange to get profit, they don't always believe in the product, but just invest because they got a very nice bonus.

Ofcourse presale is way more profitable against ICO because presale bonuses are much more than ICO but the money your risking is also bigger in presales.But if you believe the coin just invest your money on presale it is better

the special thing is the price of the coins is much cheaper but the risk is also higher because in presale not many people joined into the project and maybe some of us choosing the altscoin based on how many people joined the project

I honestly think presale is not very good for a project, because you are giving out a large amount of value of token out. We Token should hold integrity.

Buying coin at the pre-sale stage is very cheap and there will be more interest compare to those who buy in ICO but buying coin at the pre-sale stage is a high risk because the project may clash which will lead to the investors losing their funds. Apart from that I think the advantage of pre-sale is much than the disadvantages besides business is all about risk most especially when it comes to online cryptocurrency matter.  And at the ICO you may be surprised the price will be times 4 of the pre-sale that's advantage already not to talk of when it gets to market cap.

To separate token sale into pre-ICO and ICO gives the team opportunity to raise more money.
Some times the ICO is following right after the pre-ICO, there is definitely no reason to make much bonus for pre-ICO participants.

Despite the high risk, I like to participate in pre-sale.  Usually, early participants get bonuses or buy coins at a good price.  And for a pre-sale team, this is a way to check if their advertising channels work well.

Pre-sale is like testing the waters or more like the appetizer before the main course. It is like building the hype before the ICO so that ICO can sell mroe tokens. Buying in pre-sale gives the early investors some bonus like in NTOK. Visit https://tokensale.ntok.io/ for more info!

Actually there are many, I remember there were even ICO's in 2017 which were so quickly sold out.. while pre-sales were even impossible to try

Presales are good deals but typically have high minimum investment amounts so not
going to work for small investors.

The world of cryptocurrency ICOs has been on fire as of late. In most cases, these ICOs cause quite a bit of strain on the Ethereum network, which is anything but enjoyable. It now appears a lot of projects are running so-called pre-ICO token sales as well. This allows teams to collect even more money, while investors get cheaper tokens.

presale looks not too much different from ICO, investors who buy token from presale will suffer the high risks that the ICO are scam, so Presale of the token sometimes cheaper than ICO, so presale help us to find out will the project are worthy to invest or not and to find out scammers to protect later investors from risks.

you will get more bonus if you join pre-sale than you join in ICO, because ICO bonus given is less than the bonus earned during pre-sale, therefore I always join ICO at pre-sale not at the moment ICO (main sale), to get more bonus and big profit.