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Do you trust you government ?
Do you trust any of its agencies ?

DO you believe in bank system ?

If you read this topic, I don't think , but how do you really text in a usual day ?

Do you think WhatsApp it's really the solution ( because its end-to-end cryptography) ?

Are you still using Chrome ?

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The real problem I think we are too busy and to lazy to pay attention on it: you can it start now.

Just:
- use Duckduckgo as search engine
- navigate with Tor ( I know it is slower but it's for your privacy )
- use Toxchat or whatsoever
- you're good to go

None can steal your information anymore.

You can do it. Right now

Any other suggestion guys ?

I dont need more reasons than you just posted right there. Not wanting the government in my business is enough for me. It seems like we are headed down the path of the government knowing everything about us and that

is really scary as their is no privacy whatsoever! I do hope we can come together fight this change in our society and protect ourselves moving forward. There should be no reason why governments need such information on

their citizens.

I wish all these recommendations you are making were enough.
One of the problems is: people just don't care enough about their privacy to protect it. In order to be "like everybody else", connected and up-to-date with the news, they just ignore these privacy issues.

Not trusting companies and governments is crucial for security as well. Privacy and security often go together.
You should use open source software only, that is your best bet. So running a Linux based OS, for example, is crucial, otherwise anything you do is in the hands of Windows and hacks that happen all the time on that OS.
Neither Whatsup nor Google Chrome is open source, so don't use that either. The Tor part I agree with as well of course.
Tails OS was always best for privacy, but it is harder to make it persistent, so other Linux distributions should be good as well.

Almost all OS for computer and smartphone are large, complicated programs. Who knows if Windows 10 harvests or doesn't harvest info in some way? Even Ubuntu has grown to gigantic size, and is constantly being upgraded almost on a daily basis. Mac OSX is gigantic, as well.

If you are really interested in safety, you need to use a little OS like Puppy Linux, and totally - Veracrypt - encrypt any info you want to send by Windows, Mac, or big Linus OSs. And you need to do this before placing the encrypted files onto the big OS.

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The Ubuntu source code is available to everyone, right? So I don't think that they will be harvesting the user data. Also, Ubuntu doesn't have the corporate structure of ownership like Windows or Mac OS does. That is why I prefer Ubuntu to keep my data away from the prying eyes of the authorities, when compared to Mac OS and MS Windows.

most of our data is normal and not high to be worry if other watch and deep net so danger because many hacker can easy hack your data

I get the principle behind it and do encrypt sensitive things but the vast majority of what I do I don’t care if anyone sees it.

Even if you encrypt whom you are communicating with often is not hidden and it seems to be what the government is after.

With your cell phone its location is known all the time. I don't understand why this isn't thought of as a violation of privacy?

Pefectly agreed with you. Only when they'll see how bad it could be, they'll start to consider not just give their data to everyone for free.
Nobody tought them how to do it so they are doing like others: just ignoring the issue.

Protect your privacy as you protect your house: it is the same even if you don't see it.

Be aware of the IT things

Are you really sure about that?
What if I were an hacker and get your personal details: like where your finance lives, which are your Bank accounts, what time you leaves the house at morning, ...

These data I can easely find in your cellphone.
Don't think everyone is a good person.
I might suppose you protect your home from thieves - you'd better protect your personal data beforse someone could stole them.

Yes, I guess people should be responsible towards themselves and use only TOR and encrypted data communications.

This is really interesting. Thank you for the information. I never thought of data encryption until now.  I have learnt from the various post here.

Thanks buddy.
That's why this forum is all about. Make every people aware what it's really going on lately on the web site.
It's a freedom place from censuring and we can talk almost everything especially those topic the mass media has been trying to manipulate as usual . Because they are not so easy to understand at first sight many people believe what other are saying and not study themselves if it really true or not.

Privacy and security topics are always interesting and nowadays most of people doesn't really care about that. Almost every platform, from device, OS, networks are not safe. And about the tittle of this threads, I agree that our data needs to be encrypted as long as you are the only one who can decrypt it. If you can't, sorry to say, then just a bullshit. Many services offers protection, VPN, Tor, or something like that are not guarantees that you are absolutely safe. It's just minimalized the public exposures like trackers. Who can guarantee that those 'privacy services providers' are not collecting your data?

by the way, I like those movies you mentioned above.

Yeah, many people does not aware of their privacy. Most of people never reads term of services and privacy policy. Finally every single person take responsibility for their own privacy. Not to get safest, but to reduce to be tracked. For those who are not do something private, maybe they will be ok feel comfort to go public. Nothing to hide and let the any service provider grab their behavior and their habit during goes online. I'm not one of them.

Buddy I see you get the point. Of course It's the safest of all if you can control everything of what you are doing but at the end you have to trust something. I mean if you drive the car, you feel safe push the brake when you need it, but who garante that? The car's makers so you trust them.
However something can go wrong something and does not work as it was supposed to do.

In the same way you have to trust something in what you are believing. But to make everything works for a common folk something needs to be easy - so in the end how can you control everything if you don't make it by yourself ?


If a VPN is FREE do you think it's safe enough ?
WHEN THE SERVICE IS FREE YOU ARE THE PRODUCT

That's the big problem mate. I also sometime because I'm in a hurry and I need that application, I flag the "agreement statement" without even look at it.
So there happens when you get screwed. But you HAVE to know that you can risk at least and that's what the 95% of the people doesn't know.

I mean why haven't you been asking why big G had made so many buck ????
They think "ok Gmail is free - great! " and never wonder why..

Forget about Free service dude, the paid services aren't also 100% guarantee our privacy
By the way, I love that qoute ;D
WHEN THE SERVICE IS FREE YOU ARE^* THE PRODUCT
*⁾ we are :D

There are some components of Ubuntu that are closed source, with most of it being drivers. It is also possible for governments to tamper with open source projects to leave subtle exploits wide open. The BIOS of your computer is likely to be closed-source as well, so there may be backdoor exploits in that too.

u know dude, the problem is sometime people really dont care about their privacy. because they think that there is no meaningful data to be hidden. and also, they believe in a system that ensures that their data is secure. if I am a rich man, have a lot of money in the bank and have secret data that other people should not know maybe I will follow your advice .. but for now I am more comfortable to use WA and Crome :)

Well VPNs and Tor are nothing a like in terms of trust. Tor isn't a service offered by someone, it is a protocol, same as Bitcoin. It is open source and people run it just like they run Bitcoin full nodes. No one guarantees you the price of Bitcoin and no one guarantees you privacy in Tor, but VPNs do and that is exactly what is the problem as it means that they control it and therefor can guarantee it.


To be honest, if it is closed source, it isn't part of Ubuntu, it is something you downloaded independently and your OS allowed you to, since it is open source and is fully controlled by you. To go further, even your processor isn't open source. Intel can control processors remotely and where there is a backdoor, there is a vector of an attack for the hackers. There was a vulnerability in that system this year, that allowed server to be hacked remotely by directly hacking a processor and it necer even reaching your OS and it's defense software. https://thehackernews.com/2017/05/intel-server-chipsets.html (https://thehackernews.com/2017/05/intel-server-chipsets.html)


Yeah, that is the argument of many people, they say they have nothing to hide. First of all, yes you do, otherwise you would be walking around naked in public and tell everyone your every secret. Secondly, you can't know that just because it is safe now for someone to know your secret that it will be just as safe to know them in the future. What if your government decides to retroactively target anyone with certain views or something that was legal before. It is best not to give someone information they don't need as you never know what it might get used for in the future and whatever it does get used for, it will certainly involve you, as it is information about you. Don't trust anything, everyone gets corrupt if they get enough power. just search for "Stanford prison experiment" and you will see that absolutely average normal students become monster if you allow them. We are all animals, every government official will abuse his position if he feels safe enough.

 ;D ;D
The problem is real. The IT has gone too far for an average person to understand all of that. And I am not referring to a specific feature of SaaS VPN but I think 90% of the people does not even know what a VPN is!!
That's what we're facing.
We can only talk and give our advise to other people that are completely ignoring the issue - because more privacy there is worldwide better it's for us

Because in our mobile phone has many secret data, maybe bank account, credit card number, and all private data. Every messenger has encrypted system peer-to-peer, so all unauthorized user cannot read or access it. We know now WhatsApp has these encryption to protect what we chat, picture that we send it, any data we send using whatsapp. These technology has been created before whatsapp created, like in Bank Security, our Credit Card also using Encrypted database to protect our transaction.

Ya I'm totally agree with u, if I am a terrorist or non tax payer. if i dont have any thing to hide, why should I encrypt information from government. 

I'm not totally agree with you.

Think about how many backdoors have been found by the so called "encrypted services" - I really do not believe them.
And WhatsApp, are you really talk about a huge firm that makes money with the user's data? Do you think that kind of security doesn't lack of any bugs?

Come on! That's the problem - People thinks they are just secure as the way it is and they does not have to hide anything..

Because ANYONE could access to your data! And if you are not scared about Governments and how they can control what you're doing, think about an hacker that try to access on your computer web camera and spy you and your family exactly know when you are home, what you're doing and so on..

It's not somenthing that could never happen..

Exactly. Everything gets hacked. Equifax, Linkedin,Yahoo,... Probably everything, this is just what we know about.
Furthermore, wisdom about privacy before computers doesn't mean much now. As the difference is when there is a secret of your recored it is recorded forever.
So you might be fine with it now, but how long? Can you trust your government that they won't abuse that information in the future? That they won't come up with a retroactive law against your current action? That they won't target you and harass you in the future for your actions now?

Everybody has something to hide. If that wasn't the case we would all be walking around naked all the time and no one would have secrets.
What you give to your government now could be accessible to everyone in the future and you can't even know who will exist in the future.

Like it, LIKE IT, like it  ;) ;)
We are on the same boat buddy.
I totally think the same of you.

Even if you have nothing to hide it does not mean someone could stole that information from you. Internet as it was invented is a form of freedom and Govs would haven't had to start use it for their purpose and spying people!!

The ignorance of the majority of people online is very BLISS - since when they start to understand how many trucks they paved...

There are so many reasons why your data should be encryoted that I even don't know where I should start from :)))

I'm just a little human and I don't have so much data that need privacy. The only reason I encrypt some data is to protect my funds. But I'm still not sure whether it helps

That is the conundrum of security and freedom. We want to do and say whatever we want but we also want privacy. How do we actually fight terrorism but still protect your privacy. I really think i don't mind if my government look and listen through my life so long as they do this for my and my family's security. I'll let them look at my bank accounts and see my transactions so long as they won't steal from me

In some way it makes sense your words....BUT: what if the Gov you are putting now your trust can no longer control your data and also they can be hacked. So as you mentioned terrorists or other can know exactly who you are, where you live, how much money you have so you are no longer safe..

And what if the Gov you are giving your data for free, suddenly decide to do other things with your data ?
And yet, what if it's nominated another president of the opposition ?

Just think about it

I think it is important to encrypt data that you feel or think jolds and contains data that you are jot willing to share to others. Especially with a lot of going on in our internet this seems an easy thing to do. However I still think that when it comes to just commom converstaion no need to encrypt anymore

It's pretty easy to get into your computer so when it comes to saving passphrases and confidential records, its very necessary, particularly if you are a company.

Right now data is encrypted but with the emergence of AI and Machine Learning (https://www.springpeople.com/big-data-analytics/machine-learning), people have become more smart into hacking systems. Imagine in coming 10 years every other stuff you own or plan to own will be managed digitally from far away location which need not require your presence. Hacking such systems would be easy. So yes data privacy is a concern but with the advancement in technology things will fall in place.

AI and ML helps absolutely nothing currently in terms of hacking. The increase in hacks is due to increase in dependence on technology and lack of quality software.

Encrypting your sensitive information can help you avoid major losses and protect your privacy

Yes, It depends who you are chatting with  ;D
The major dot-company are trying to collect as many data as possible so they can sell that data to others - so everyone should be conscious about it and not post everything on internet and leave breadcrumbs everywhere.

But in my country I see everyday to much of confusion about good using of internet, social networks and stuff - people are just ignoring how important this is

Great word buddy! We're on the same boat !

Unfortunately there are too much folks out there that just ignoring the issue - and they will come across next years

on the one hand we have the right to a personal life, so it is convenient that our data is encrypted...on the other hand, this hiding of the data opens the road for bandits and scammers...a double feeling

I really need data secured I do not trust the government in my country now a lot of corruption cases that happened.
I really do not believe in their banks system sometimes mixing counterfeit money

I think that is the common Idea of the mass media today about Bitcoin - because it is supported first on Silk-Road so it is a gateway for the drug dealers.

It's not like that! of course there will be also scammers and so on like there are also when BTC did not exist.
They found another way to make illegitimate things.

But because we are using Internet so much during our life, the information we store on the web is crucial - because of that I think all your data, not only personal as you mentioned, need to be encrypted.

I will just answer the main question, without having your wallet data encrypted anyone could access to the funds any time.
While there's people always trying to bruteforce addresses to stole the money, that's the main reason of why is it encrypted.

I'm totally go with your words.
In the web you cannot really trust anyone else expect yourself.

it seems that confidentiality will soon become a big privilage. meanwhile we try to protect ourselves ...

It definately needs to change somehow.
I mean you cannot even trust your neiborout, can you imagine an international firm who maks money on your data?

Everyday they're trying to stole more and more of yourself with tracking of pretty everything from your smartphone till your home termostat.

And we don't even know what they are doing with the huge data they collect!
Start realise your privacy has a cost!

Because now there are a lot of thefts of your personalities. In banks take loans in your name, or  buy cars and so on. Personal data must be encrypted, as it is not safe in our time.

If your data isn’t encrypted, anyone who happens across your phone or laptop can get at the files within pretty easily; with encryption added, accessing the same data becomes very, very difficult (though not impossible, if other security loopholes can be found on the device).

Irrespective of what you do when the government says that they want to spy on you, there is not a lot of things you can really do to avoid it all, the smartphones, smart TV and a lot of new electronic gadgets are being used to spy on us all the time.

That's right! You will never be safe anymore if you do not take care about protecting your privacy. Everyone out there is willing to take advantages of that 'cause it's worth !
And unfortunally not everybody has good intention - so first you realise you are in dangerous better it is.

Always CARE ABOUT PRIVACY

Do you know that most of the peolple choose a Pin to unlock the phone that is so easy to guess? What if you have been stolen your personal contats? What if I know when do you leave home and left some of wallet's private keys somewhere?

There are too many thieves that are just looking at it and only by stoling your phone they would know everything.

So, do not unlock your phone in public and do always use ID touch or fingerprint.

Unless you know how to not leave tracks  ;)

I think that we have the right to do this, because we are individuals in democratic countries

Secret telegram chats can be called an ideal option. They guarantee the security of sent information have the function of self-destructing messages after a certain time and do not allow forwarding correspondence to other people.

I don't worry about the government, since I don't think I would be an interesting target. It's just for privacy from family members.

I'm not so sure about using tor, to me that is nothing more than a honey pot, however another thing you can do is to encrypt your hard drive and to avoid using your smartphones to anything that is too personal and avoid social media as well.

Tor is as much of a honey pot as is Bitcoin. Only reason why Tor was given to public (it was developed by US Navy) is because you can only be anonymous in a crowd, so government agencies needed general population to use it and some government agencies are still funding it.

You are probably afraid of it because of a lot of stories about dark markets and all that, which is exactly why some are afraid of Bitcoin. scared they will be connected with terrorists and criminals and whatnot.
Neither Tor nor Bitcoin are very anonymous, there are better ways to be anonymous on the Internet with botnets and there are better ways to fund terrorists with cash. It is just that they are developed to be the best they can for the general population. There are reasons for existence of both of these technologies, not everything is simple like that. For certain use, they are both very good.

For me, data needs to be encrypted to avoid scams and hack or other criminal act, This method will help you secure your account:)

i think for the safety purposes that we need data too be encrypted and anti  hack

Yes that's true! Good tips

Great explanation of what's going on.
And about what peolple think about BTC and TOR, you're totally right: they do not have good information of it and tent to believe what mass media say ( and they don't even know theirselves so how could they give ).

Always try to give youself ax explanation of everythink and do not believe at first what is being said