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Title: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: wancho on October 17, 2017, 03:18:12 AM
Anyone experienced this? I lost half of my eth during the fork, I'm using myetherwallet. What F did happen?
this is the proof https://etherscan.io/address/0x87977De493D7e2a765d514f26575C6C1eb842BB7
one of my ERC20 token is a bounty reward and it went back to the sender, I think it is FORK ERROR

this is the full information. what's weird is, only half of my eth is stolen and the only one erc20 token.
I've got others that have price. My eth was just for token transfer but they steal it? and just half of  it?

Im using myetherwallet
check my balance with etherscan.io

THERE HAVE BEEN 13 TRANSACTIONS,
THE 12 TRANSACTION IS, THEY TRANSFER HALF OF MY ETH TO 12 DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS
AND MY ERC20 TO 1 DIFFERENT ACCOUNT.

IT HAPPENED DURING ETHEREUM FORK DAY, TWO THINGS ARE POSSIBLE:
ITS EITHER I AM VICTIM OF PHISHING OR THE FORK.

HOLY SHIT !


THE TRANSFERING OF MY TOKENS TOOK 3 HOURS BUT STOP, HALF OF MY ETH WAS STOLEN
AND CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS TRANSACTION OF ERC20 TOKEN,
THE MAIN QUESTION IS THIS: who got my erc20 token?

(TXHASH)0xe5afc9322a   4373387   
(AGE)15 hrs 52 mins ago   
THIS IS MY ETH ADDRESS(FROM)0x87977de493d7e2a765d514f26575c6c1eb842bb7   
OUT(TO)CindicatorToken   
(VALUE)0 Ether   
(TX FEE)0.001920156

you can check my eth address at etherscan and you can see 13 different addresses to stole.
half of my eth, and the TRANSACTION IS VERY LITTLE

in ethplorer there are no transactions of stealing my eth and there is my ERC20 token but I lost half of my eth, without transaction base on ethplorer


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: puvanb on October 17, 2017, 03:28:43 AM
Anyone experienced this? I lost half of my eth during the fork, I'm using myetherwallet. What F did happen?

I checked mine, everything was okay. Check your account in etherscan.io for any unwanted transaction that happenend? Kinda guessing you lost it to phishing.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: wancho on October 17, 2017, 03:34:00 AM
Anyone experienced this? I lost half of my eth during the fork, I'm using myetherwallet. What F did happen?

I checked mine, everything was okay. Check your account in etherscan.io for any unwanted transaction that happenend? Kinda guessing you lost it to phishing.

I did checked shit, there have been 13 transactions going out to 13 different eth addresses. Half of my eth was lost, I'm gonna cry. shit


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: sensimilia on October 17, 2017, 03:35:17 AM
Same here all okay, all balances including tokens are the same as before the fork.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: CryptosapienZA on October 17, 2017, 03:45:05 AM
Anyone experienced this? I lost half of my eth during the fork, I'm using myetherwallet. What F did happen?

Dang I'm sorry man. I think you were possibility hacked. Mine wallet is still in tact. I suggest you trace back your steps and look at how your wallet could have been compromised. Did you click any unknown links recently? Or use public WiFi?? Run an anti virus on your devices. These hackers are everywhere these days. Its really upsetting that people just want to take other peoples hard earned monies.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: nidacoinlove on October 17, 2017, 03:56:51 AM
Oh! So sorry for your loses, I checked mine and everything was ok. You should better check for your transaction history and activities that you have made recently from your account. Your account mean wallet may be accessed by hackers.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: Ewox on October 17, 2017, 03:59:24 AM
Woah! Are you serious? Around how much have you lost? A friend of mine also lost his eth worth around $3000 in his myetherwallet. Was checking mine and nothing was lost, though it is only a small amount though. Maybe there was a glitch that happened during the fork.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: baradfo on October 17, 2017, 04:07:33 AM
Likewise, I still have my coins and tokens after checking. You should really look into a possible security fail somewhere along the line.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: Blake_Last on October 17, 2017, 04:16:02 AM
May I know what wallet you used? Because afaik if you're using MyEtherWallet, nothing should have changed or lost in your balance unless someone hacked your account and stole your ETH and tokens there. Try to check your TX history and see if there's anything there that you aren't familiar with.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: niisarearning on October 17, 2017, 04:48:16 AM
I checked my wallet everything looks good there is lots of malicious links shared specially in slack group if you click that there will be s possibility of hack .sorry for your loss man now am afraid about any links which may looks prompt and genuine. Please check transaction in etherscan you will find where it gone.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: bamb on October 17, 2017, 04:49:20 AM
My wallet is intact! Nothing changes in it. Sorry for your loss man Hope you take better pre-cautions next time!


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: Flagship11 on October 17, 2017, 04:49:52 AM
did this really happen?


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: rommelzkie on October 17, 2017, 04:52:30 AM
Another Phishing Victim?

From where did you accessed your wallet before the hack happens.?

Mine is intact and i only access my MEW thru https://www.myetherwallet.com/





Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: Slipknot79 on October 17, 2017, 05:23:43 AM
This will become more and more common sadly. Sorry for your loss. Were you using metamask by any chance?


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: Razick on October 17, 2017, 05:25:29 AM
Anyone experienced this? I lost half of my eth during the fork, I'm using myetherwallet. What F did happen?

I checked mine, everything was okay. Check your account in etherscan.io for any unwanted transaction that happenend? Kinda guessing you lost it to phishing.

I did checked shit, there have been 13 transactions going out to 13 different eth addresses. Half of my eth was lost, I'm gonna cry. shit

You probably got caught in a phishing scam. They are notorious for making it seem like you are on a real site, when in reality you are on a different site entirely and they steal your login details and keys, and use them to in turn steal your coins, or tokens in this case. It sucks man. The crypto world is bogged down by constant scams. I don't quite understand how or why we have not found a solution to this yet. People do not get their online banking hacked nearly as often as crypto despite only requiring a password to login. It just seems like we are in a crappy period where scammers essentially get off scott free. Sorry for your loss, brother.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: Amalker on October 17, 2017, 05:58:22 AM
Anyone experienced this? I lost half of my eth during the fork, I'm using myetherwallet. What F did happen?

I checked mine, everything was okay. Check your account in etherscan.io for any unwanted transaction that happenend? Kinda guessing you lost it to phishing.

I did checked shit, there have been 13 transactions going out to 13 different eth addresses. Half of my eth was lost, I'm gonna cry. shit
You must hurry and sent your other half to the safe new wallet.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: deepcryptomine on October 17, 2017, 07:13:38 AM
What wallet you were using? I've been using MEW and everything looks the same before the fork. If someone hacks the account, wouldn't they transfer all the coins?


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: ryanben on October 17, 2017, 07:18:39 AM
My wallet is normal and no problem, I think you have been hacked. Run a virus scan on your computer and create a new myetherwallet to store the remaining assets  :(


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: Cnut237 on October 17, 2017, 07:31:17 AM
It does sound like phishing. If you lost half, then my advice would be move the other half to a different wallet.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: RoommateAgreement on October 17, 2017, 07:38:29 AM
It does sound like phishing. If you lost half, then my advice would be move the other half to a different wallet.

if you are a victim of phishing attacks and lose your wallet credentials or private key, you lose all your funds not just half of it! the hackers are not honest people to take half and leave you with the rest. they will take ALL of what you have!

this sounds more like another one of ethereum bugs that costs people money. i hope it is a simple bug though. OP needs to check the wallet provider he is using, they probably are aware of this bug. there actually was one that got fixed.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: jijikill on October 17, 2017, 08:32:23 AM
I think u falled into phishing attack , these 2 days I kept receiving email saying the hard fork requires us to login to our etherwallet and in the email provides a link , at first I thought it is legit as the website looks totally the same as myetherwallet , but later on I realize the domain name is myethereumwallet.su, so dodgy so I think it's a scam


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: acsalles on October 17, 2017, 09:00:44 AM
see manything still normal. maybe u get hack or something?


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: shirackjs on October 17, 2017, 09:05:47 AM
Thanks for alerting us. My wallet is fine, did you fall for phishing scam? I suggest you to transfer the rest of the coins to a new wallet soon.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: hua_hui on October 17, 2017, 09:38:05 AM
I have also just checked mine. I still have all the tokens with me. I would like to highlight that it can be a possibility that you got an unofficial website that stole your information and thus access to your wallet and took over the control. I am really sorry for your loss but i would recommend to save the other half of your wallet as they may still have the ability to control the wallet and continue to withdraw out.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: arisen725 on October 17, 2017, 10:07:05 AM
Suggest to check using only public key and block explorer via a secure connection. That way no coins can be taken.
Sorry for the loss of the OP.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: deadmousehat on October 17, 2017, 10:08:50 AM
all who read this thread directly check their wallets ;D
my wallet is good, no suspicious transactions.
I think you got mistake with phising site and your wallet have been hacked  :'(


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: PETES on October 17, 2017, 10:22:39 AM
Thanks for alerting us. My wallet is fine, did you fall for phishing scam? I suggest you to transfer the rest of the coins to a new wallet soon.

Yes maybe he landed on some phishing site that's why he loss his token and I think hard fork didn't do anything about this.
And if you just want to check your token balance just use the etherscan so you don't need to always put your private keys when checking in MEW.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: A62662 on October 17, 2017, 10:26:59 AM
Sounds strange, if his wallet was hacked, why didn't the hackers clean it out completely? Is this just some BS?

He says he lost half his ETH, if you want to make people believe you, say you lost it all!


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: ~Bitcoin~ on October 17, 2017, 10:44:06 AM
Its not related to hard fork, you might have entered your private key in one of the phishing sites. There are hundreds of phishing sites eagerly waiting for your private keys so that they can move anything you have in that ETH address including tokens.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: leea-1334 on October 17, 2017, 10:49:16 AM
Anyone experienced this? I lost half of my eth during the fork, I'm using myetherwallet. What F did happen?

Impossible unless you tried to transact during the fork. Check your wallet on a block explorer and it should be there. There is no way for it to just disappear without having done anything. If you can, show us the address, and we can help troubleshoot, otherwise, this is just a rant without any evidence. Next time you want to complain, do it properly so you can get the desired assistance. Do not understand why people just open threads to complain like this.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: Minecache on October 17, 2017, 10:58:48 AM
It looks like you compromised private key at some phishing site. It's not related with hardfork 100%. Do you click some suspicious links recently?


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: Matdog on October 17, 2017, 11:00:32 AM
Anyone experienced this? I lost half of my eth during the fork, I'm using myetherwallet. What F did happen?
How come? have me fine either,
maybe it's your own fault or you got hacked


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: Catmony on October 17, 2017, 12:47:14 PM
Anyone experienced this? I lost half of my eth during the fork, I'm using myetherwallet. What F did happen?
If you are using myetherwallet than you also have control over your private key and without that nobody can move any of your tokens or ETH from that address and the recent fork in ETH wouldn't affect you. Might be you have shared your ETH's private key somewhere.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: wancho on October 17, 2017, 01:55:23 PM
this is the full information. what's weird is, only half of my eth is stolen and the only one erc20 token.
I've got others that have price. My eth was just for token transfer but they steal it? and just half of  it?

Im using myetherwallet
check my balance with etherscan.io

THERE HAVE BEEN 13 TRANSACTIONS,
THE 12 TRANSACTION IS, THEY TRANSFER HALF OF MY ETH TO 12 DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS
AND MY ERC20 TO 1 DIFFERENT ACCOUNT.

IT HAPPENED DURING ETHEREUM FORK DAY, TWO THINGS ARE POSSIBLE:
ITS EITHER I AM VICTIM OF PHISHING OR THE FORK.

HOLY SHIT !


THE TRANSFERING OF MY TOKENS TOOK 3 HOURS BUT STOP, HALF OF MY ETH WAS STOLEN,
AND CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS TRANSACTION OF ERC20 TOKEN,
THE MAIN QUESTION IS THIS: who got my erc20 token?

(TXHASH)0xe5afc9322a   4373387   
(AGE)15 hrs 52 mins ago   
THIS IS MY ETH ADDRESS(FROM)0x87977de493d7e2a765d514f26575c6c1eb842bb7   
OUT(TO)CindicatorToken   
(VALUE)0 Ether   
(TX FEE)0.001920156


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: wancho on October 17, 2017, 02:07:28 PM
Sounds strange, if his wallet was hacked, why didn't the hackers clean it out completely? Is this just some BS?

He says he lost half his ETH, if you want to make people believe you, say you lost it all!

but the truth is I didn't lost it all, see the infos, 13 different address.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: raiblock on October 17, 2017, 02:09:46 PM
Yeah, the confusing part is that only half have been taken. Be very careful with the rest, even some Slack bots are sending messages with phising links without the slack owners being aware so be really careful with these things...


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: trk on October 17, 2017, 02:13:15 PM
I do think fork isn't being the problem here
Because you said half your balance was sent to 12 different address
If the problem is in the fork, you might lose your balance without transaction or whatsoever

Make a new wallet and transfer the rest of the balance


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: wancho on October 17, 2017, 02:19:56 PM
I do think fork isn't being the problem here
Because you said half your balance was sent to 12 different address
If the problem is in the fork, you might lose your balance without transaction or whatsoever

Make a new wallet and transfer the rest of the balance

just look at the transaction, the 12 transaction worth just 0.01 eth.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: shenjing85 on October 17, 2017, 02:20:53 PM
Yeah, the confusing part is that only half have been taken. Be very careful with the rest, even some Slack bots are sending messages with phising links without the slack owners being aware so be really careful with these things...

I checked my tokens, it is ok, as mentioned above, I think your coins are probably being stolen, maybe the scams in the slack, so do not click any links similar to myetherwallet.com and keep your key privately.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: wancho on October 17, 2017, 02:24:53 PM
this is the proof https://etherscan.io/address/0x87977De493D7e2a765d514f26575C6C1eb842BB7
one of my ERC20 token is a bounty reward and it went back to the sender, I think it is FORK


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: lakimens on October 17, 2017, 02:25:11 PM
Weird things are happening. MyEtherWallet shows 0 KICK,but Ethplorer says I have 300 KICK.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: wancho on October 17, 2017, 02:28:54 PM
Weird things are happening. MyEtherWallet shows 0 KICK,but Ethplorer says I have 300 KICK.

in ethplorer there are no transactions of stealing my eth and there is my ERC20 token but I lost half on my eth without transaction base on ethplorer


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: btcprospecter on October 17, 2017, 02:37:47 PM
That sounds bad. Sorry for your loss of coins. What wallets were you using. Hopefully you have secured what is left in there. Weird tho you did not get completely cleared out.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: Wyre08 on October 17, 2017, 02:41:05 PM
That's not good. It's super odd that someone only took half of it.

I just checked mine and it looks find. Nothing missing or added.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: romec1701 on October 17, 2017, 02:45:33 PM
I have seen several slack messages that look like they are coming from MyEtherWallet telling users to log in in preparation for the hard fork. However its confirmed these are phising scams. They steal your login info and then empty your wallet.
Be careful out there and sorry to Op for your loss


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: Xenrise on October 17, 2017, 02:58:36 PM
Wait is this even possible? I thought if you have your private key in your wallet during forks, you will not experience this type of problem?


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: Qpeep on October 17, 2017, 03:08:04 PM
Very sorry to hear that, but if it was a phising attack, why would the thief not steal everything? Did anyone esle experience something like that with MEW?


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: Kunlejoe0 on October 17, 2017, 03:14:37 PM
This is the first claim of theft I have seen since the hour the fork was concluded. Is possible that you might have miscalculated your ether in your wallet? Because if you were hacked as you claim, you are not likely to see any ether in that wallet.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: beebee187 on October 17, 2017, 03:19:40 PM
I am very sorry to hear about your loss!! I sincerely hope you were able to secure the remainder of your coins to another wallet!! Sounds weird that if you got hacked they would have left anything in there..


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: Singbatak on October 17, 2017, 03:22:39 PM
Our wallet is safe in forking how it happened that you lost almost half of your ether in your wallet? I think it's not because of the fork you might have accidentally stolen it or if you left your wallet open, Or another is the phishing that usually happens


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: wancho on October 18, 2017, 01:16:24 AM
hackers maybe used some kind of programmed machine because every transaction has different addresses, by the way I only have small amount of eth, but 49k of erc20 token is stolen and sent to other address shit.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: CoinEmperor on October 18, 2017, 01:19:37 AM
I went into this thread thinking OP lost like 200+ ETH or something, I come in and found out OP lost 0.1 ETH.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: imsotiredofmoviereboots on October 18, 2017, 01:24:36 AM
Our wallet is safe in forking how it happened that you lost almost half of your ether in your wallet? I think it's not because of the fork you might have accidentally stolen it or if you left your wallet open, Or another is the phishing that usually happens


Right. Everything was fine and take note I am still making transactions on etherdelta with my MEW  when the fork was still happening and I've never lost an ETH. I was not aware that a fork was happening that day and I only knew it when I saw my transactions won't go through.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: Erelas on October 18, 2017, 01:33:12 AM
Our wallet is safe in forking how it happened that you lost almost half of your ether in your wallet? I think it's not because of the fork you might have accidentally stolen it or if you left your wallet open, Or another is the phishing that usually happens


Right. Everything was fine and take note I am still making transactions on etherdelta with my MEW  when the fork was still happening and I've never lost an ETH. I was not aware that a fork was happening that day and I only knew it when I saw my transactions won't go through.

Thank you for saying you didn't know about Byzantium growing through then either because I also totally forgot and was trying to figure out whey I couldn't get anything to go thru, lol.  Gave myself an extra hard forehead smack when I realized what was happening.

Very sorry for the OP's loss, but I've not seen anyone else with suspicions that they lost due to the fork, and kind of stymied as to why only half would be missing.  I'm, though he seemed very thorough and certain, it was just a user error....something he missed maybe?


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: gidaahmad on October 18, 2017, 01:54:18 AM
I am so grateful I have never experienced the incident. I hope you can be patient and try to open a new page of your life. Crypto sometimes makes us a lot of thoughts.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: clip123 on October 18, 2017, 01:58:43 AM
My balances are good too since the fork. Please be very careful with links and bookmark them. Never rusk and never click on ad clicks in search engines.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: trademark on October 18, 2017, 01:58:49 AM
I have Ethereum and ERC20 tokens in myetherwallet also but their weren't any issues with my balance from the fork besides the price decreases on them which has been hitting my tokens all week.   It would be wise of you to just move your remaining tokens to a new MEW address.  Bookmark MEW also.  


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: jnow on October 18, 2017, 02:08:14 AM


Most likely, you fell victim to a phishing attack, maybe you went to  a fake MEW website.



Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: darioc on October 18, 2017, 02:24:04 AM
anyone see this problem. I withdraw money from poloniex and still dont see eth in my wallet even poloniex said it was completed


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: Erelas on October 19, 2017, 03:08:59 AM
I use Poloniex, and no, I have not seen any of my transactions that have not gone thru successfully.

As a general safeguard, I don't routinely keep a balance on any exchange, just what I am going to use, then transfer it to a wallet I control as soon as feasible.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: feelideb on October 19, 2017, 03:17:56 AM
It seem this is the only thread where fork related losses is happening. There are possibility of such things happening during fork on any coin, but this time on ethereum network, there are less of these complains. We should take simple precautions of transactions and stay safe.


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: Crypington on October 19, 2017, 03:31:00 AM
I never used MEW, and don't know the specs, but it is possible the OP had more than one private key in the wallet, but the thief was only able to drain one?  Could that explain why the thief didn't take everything? 


Title: Re: I lost my eth during the fork and some of my erc20 token ! WTF
Post by: hownowbrowncow on October 19, 2017, 09:56:18 AM
If it was phishing scam, it is important to remember never to click links in emails, but always open a new tab and go directly to the website in question. The only time I click a link in an email is when I have just signed up for some service and need to confirm my email address.