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You heard it from me first.
Anybody want to bet?

I'd really like that you were right, but I will bet against you because I don't think so.

Offer up some coin, how much do you bet?

1 btc

i bet you 1 btw

Monday morning by what time and what timezone?  I will take that bet of 1 BTC.

You don't need to lose money... It's an unfair bet and you know.

I hope you had the foresight to see the huge dump that just took place. What was a $10 buy up you need, just doubled, and may be more! BUT, I hope you are RIGHT!

i hope fucking so bro , bought it at 100 and now its at 99

im kicking myself for not selling it at 130

i hope you're right , im canadian too <3<3<3

No need to bet, OP, you have lost.

will OP pay or disappear?

lets bet! lol

I'll take that bet

brilliant, i'm going to get my 1 btc ready now incase you win, however i doubt you will ;)

people are panic selling because there is a big shut down of the sites that allow you to cash out. in Australia the company's who do this have closed their sell bitcoin options. thus is self regulated from speaking to them but people will worry that they will be stuck with their bitcoins. these are the short term investors who believe the world governments will shut down bitcoin.
there is no shutting down the bitcoin idea, the authority's know this. this is the future and they will do all they can to control it, their best method is to kill talk the roag exchanges and build their own exchanges witch regulate and take not of all bitcoin buys and sells justice they do with cash going in and out of bank accounts.
anyway I'm looking forward to buying some cheap coins. :D

ill take the bet for 1 btc as well, please confirm in thread if the bet is on or not.

~$22 rise in 23 hours? Can't wait to see what happens :) I hope you're right OP.

^^^LOL

all bets confirmed

If you see this bet from USD point of view OP would win $120 or more and would lose less than $120.

I agree with the op.

I want to bet 0.5 BTC against OP.

Yup, he essentially has given himself odds.  Although you could easily hedge if you're on the other side, assuming everyone follows through with payment.

10 00BTC that price will not hit 120$

Is that -ten- or -thousand- BTC?

No you have it ass backwards, if anything the problem is their is no USD flowing IN.  The dollar depth on Gox has been declining for weeks and just plunged to under 10 million dollars.  The shutdown of channels that allow USD to flow onto Gox may be part of the issue but I suspect that the natural ebbing away of the hype is just causing the quantity of dollars seeking BTC to decline.  People with BTC can meet the asking price of the dollars on the exchange and then they own the dollars on the exchange and even if they don't take them off the exchange they are not obligated to offer them again for BTC so the dollar depth declines even if dollars in Gox'es hands don't actually change.

Price will not go back up $120 monday Probably this tuesday?

I hope not, have money comming in on monday at bitstamp. Want to buy at least 5 BTC :D

I'm with OP. I'm also Canadian :)

I should probably pile in on this bet... but really. you'll already be losing enough.

You guys are all making the assumption that CanadianGuy isn't planning to push the price up there himself.

If Jarslows bet was real it'd even be worthwhile for him to do!

Its monday morning in India and price still at 99 USD/BTC  ;)

holy shit...

It'll definitely be interesting to see how this plays out.

It's almost like the guy has inside info.

I can't bet.  Husband has our small stash of BTC safe and secure, but I think OP is right.  It is on its way there already.

Do you have some inside info?  With the right amount of BTC the market can be manipulated for sure.  Hey, If I could, I probably would too. 

So what happens if the price ends up higher than $120 on Monday at noon Central time?  How much accuracy are you does this have to be, or is it just $120 or higher and you win the bet?

It was a guess,  because it happened not to long ago. They have been dumping it every sunday.

Well goes to look at the data
Don't see it but OP is putting money where his mouth is so will observe

It would be really funny if the OP is correct.

For a second there we soared to $110 and I thought he might actually be!

idk i saw it with my own two eyes. almost ready to sell cuz it had dipped to 91 again and then all these thousands up buy orders came in. i havent seen this since the rally that took us to 260. in about 25 seconds it went to 106....ten more seconds 110. thats a lot of coins to buy up. and now holding srtong around 106. crazy shit. could easily go to 120 no problem

Damn since you said it dipped to 91 again I figured my buy order at 92.3 must have gone through .. but nope.

there will be a slight dip in the next few hours and then we will be around 115
watch

Hmm starting to see some other types of movement but might be another fun day :)

you responded to me less than 15 minutes after i posted.  watch, i said.  lol

Well watching ASICminer and that seems to be moving and ok watches hehe

my passthrough shares are staying at the old $2.43ish, what are you talking about?  or are you talking about the earlier recovery today?

Watching hav's and btct starting to moving back up to 2.47 might recover to 2.5 at this rate so watching :)
Think its stabilizing from the volatility slowly still spikes down but related to currency rate post :)

Well monday morning is here OP

Time 8.41 am
Bitcoin Price - 109.40 Dollars

Bitcoin has to jump by roughly 12 dollars in the next couple of hours aas the bet terminates in noon for  you to win

Its much closer than i thought

It's 3am central right now...

 
its only 3:47am Eastern here... He is in Canada so Im guessing he's on our time or maybe later.. Still just over 8 hours to reach $120 
 ::) ::)

OP is the mega dumper

8.31 uk time

suppose i'll have to wait 8 hours

Probably just a bull trap

https://i.imgur.com/ExBwGDg.gif

Yep, but finally some nice big volume on the move upwards. It was weeks we didn't have such volume going upwards.

Yep, 2.6 Mio USD in one go  :o

*yawn*  

All Talk, No Action.

Activate the escrow and place your real bet, let the money talk.

OP, are you still confident about your prediction ?
17k BTCs needed to reach 120 $ on MtGox...

4 hours to go, 15 dollars price increase needed for OP

I came here to say we are well into Monday afternoon (in Sweden), and the price barely broke $110 before slumping back down to $105. Then I came to think that OP is probably American, so I guess you can say it's still morning.

I got a smirk on my face and some popcorn for the show!  :D

In before OP is never to be seen again...

So wheres mine 10k być?

Here's my BTC Address, as i have won the bet,

14oQSdpw56jv3Xn49EM58nNY5RSDbiPGwr

He's on central time, it's 9:19 AM there right now, so he still has a few hours (although I think him winning at this point is a pretty long shot)

it'll only require ... 19909.943 BTC to get the price to $120.00...

Last night, it looked like it was on it's way back up. I really was rooting for the underdog here. Oh well, OP.

So is it too late for me to take the bet? ;)

My address: 1HP8h3RPh2WDJrWxJqJLVGHfwfCAtNQiSG

That was actually much much closer than I thought it would be.  Assuming the OP bought some BTC when he created this thread he might have actually ended up making some money/BTC by the end ;)

I sure wish I had bought!

Sounds good.  Thanks for your honesty!

He did, there was a post shortly after yours saying, all bets confirmed.

Stramir, find above. Don't forget to tip  ;)

um, no, you confirmed my bet (johnblaze), and stramir's bet. i specifically asked:





your response:


please send my 1 coin to:

1CMcvcUZ1EgNZGaztTgZbGB6DPMdukuymX

thanks

Thanks for your honesty

Correct me if I am wrong,  but this price/time betting looks like an unregulated securities derivatives transaction. :)
The Commodities Futures Trading Commission better never find out about this. 

They may want a piece of the action. 
Gotta pay the vig, capiche? fugetaboutit.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/ff/STPieceoftheAction.jpg

In hindsite, you should have said 110.  You probably would have had some takers and you would have won.

bitwhizz
Icey
Johnblaze
Stramir

I can confirm that OP has just sent me 1btc and has paid his loss in the bet

Thankyou OP,

 better luck next time  ;)

It's awesome to see people holding up their word on a bet like this! And grats, :).

what the hell are you talking about.

this guy isn't holding up his word at all

Read up on the post right before mine?

um what?

did you read my post? i posted the chronology of what happened. maybe you should read your own thread again.

of course i know it does not make sense for you to accept every bet. thats why when i said i will take the bet for 1 btc, i asked you to make a post confirming. i made this post  and then you posted and said that you "confirmed all bets"


I (johnblaze) wrote on June 09, 2013, 05:58:57 PM link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229784.msg2422415#msg2422415)
"ill take the bet for 1 btc as well, please confirm in thread if the bet is on or not."

stramir wrote on June 09, 2013, 06:20:03 PM link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229784.msg2422623#msg2422623)
"me too, 1 btc please confirm"

CanadianGuy replies to us on June 09, 2013, 07:08:01 PM link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229784.msg2423092#msg2423092)
"all bets confirmed"


guy is legit scammer trying to not pay me or stramir

read two posts above yours and then re-read the thread.

Went through the entire thread front to end. You're right. Two of you appear to have been skipped over (as your post indicates). Also checked for edits and there were none, so your complaint is legit. I apologize!

OP is awesome

Nope it has not gone back to $120 but I believe that the worse is over and the bottom is at $88, Bitcoin prices is now climbing steadily.

Sorry--was afk for awhile.  Please send it to: 1HP8h3RPh2WDJrWxJqJLVGHfwfCAtNQiSG

Thanks!

I can really see both sides of this (impartial observer). Did he ever pm you to ensure you saw his message when he said you owed him?

That would have been my first step.

Yeah, I can see the issue then. That's also libel.

lol

when exactly did i accuse you of being a scammer? i accused you of it only after MULTIPLE posters notified you of your mistake, and instead of trying to check and make sure things were right, you simply continued on your blind assertion that you were only paying xxx people and not the others. i didn't call you a scammer initially. i pointed out your mistake, and others did too. you ignored everyone. what am i supposed to think at that point?

and now to get out of paying, you just claim that i'm impatient or that you dont like my accusations. thats convenient

obviously this is the internet. you will either make good on your bet or you will not. i cannot do anything. you have all the power, not me. if your choice is to back out, that's fine, but i have every right to correct other people who try to give you praise for "holding up your word" when up until the point when i made the accusation, you were in fact NOT holding up your word.

and obviously if you do hold up your word, then i will retract my accusation as an honest error on your part

1BTC incoming to my address now.  Thanks OP!

johnblaze:  I bet if you had never posted after winning--or not posted 5 times being a dick--then you would have gotten the 1BTC.  Guess you just learned a lesson?  Too bad it cost you ~$100.

He isn't a scammer.  He just doesn't like you.

I think the better way of handling this would be to have done it via PM. More personal and you could do a bit more back-and-forth there without public comments interfering.

Oh, me too, me too!

Edit: I mean give me bitcoins! MILLIONS OF THEM!

if you made an honest mistake, that's fine

however, at the point of my accusation, you were already notified by 3+ people about your mistake, and you continued to ignore everyone. i would have thought that you would have double-checked after the first person pointed it to you. so, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, there was no other conclusion. you ignored multiple people and to you that was that. you were set in stone. at that point, you are not honoring your word.

please tell me how you would have interpreted it

Why none of the winners gives you any trust/feedback?

Will do that now

EDIT - How do i do this?

actually looks like 4 separate people (me and stramir and 2 others) pointed out the mistake. i hadn't made any accusations of scammer at that point

only AFTER you insisted that everyone was wrong and that you were not paying anyone else, only then did i make the accusation.

Just go to /profile /feedback and add fb.

If he can't do it can I have his BTC? :)

i dont understand your request, so i dont know what to convince you of.
i dont see how my argument is flawed.

here is my argument:

1. originally you post that you will pay 3 winners
2. multiple people tell you that you were incorrect and missed out on 2 other people (me and stramir)
3. you respond AGAIN saying that you will not be paying the others
4. at this point, i would thought that you did your "double-check" and concluded that you are only paying 3
5. only then do i correct someone when they try to praise you for "holding up your word"

apparently, my assumption at #4 was wrong. you didn't do any double-check at that point. instead, you just assumed that the 4 posters who told you were wrong were just making stuff up. so #4 is my mistake


if no BTC, that's fine.

at this point, it is no longer an honest mistake. now, you would be willingly scamming

Done, i think

well thats true. if i didn't say anything, or if i didn't read the thread at all, then perhaps i would be 1btc richer. oh well. i could really care less about 1btc. i made the bet for fun.


i certainly did lose. as i am a professional gambler, the bets are "real" as soon as they are confirmed. just as you said in one of your responses, you would not be obligated for any bets that you didnt "confirm" in the thread. that is the 'handshake'. i have bet multiple thousands of dollars in the same fashion on other forums. if you notice, i was the first and only one who asked for a confirmation.

i lost because if i lost the bet, i would have paid. in this case, it ends up being a freeroll. if i lost the bet, i would have paid. if i win the bet, i dont get anything anyway. so in effect, i've "lost" 0.5 theoretical btc because i had 0% chance to win the bet.

 :D

Everything i bolded are lies  8)

lol on other forums I am Bill Gates

sure thing champ

we could bet on any of those claims if you'd like ;)

the 1 address i posted to receive my winnings shows 50 btc incoming. you're busy asking for BTC tips in your signature.

wowza 50 btc? big man!

EDIT - OP please don't give this noob a single satoshi

i never said it was big. you claimed that i'm lying about not caring about not receiving my 1 btc. that clearly proves you wrong. meanwhile you're peddling for tips in your signature.

why are you even responding anyway? you won your bet. you have no gripes

for giggles

I knew this thread was gonna be entertaining congrats to the winners!  :D

Possibly. At some point someone bought back in 25,000 btc, but it didn't move the price to 120 again.

Why? Probably because the last two weeks the sunday whale-dumper has later bought back in, and thus people had sell walls ready to go to take advantage of him :P That's one theory anyway. Hopefully it prevents the dumping strategy from being profitable ultimately.

Are you guys (johnblaze, etc) nuts or just 12 years old?

I guess there are both nuts and 12 years old :) .  Can we have a raise of hands who is below 12? :)

14 in august

12 year olds have nuts too...

omg  ::)

maybe i'm nuts

clearly in terms of getting paid, i errored by being too active in the thread. if i would've just came home later, perhaps i would've gotten paid. or perhaps CanadianGuy would've never realized his mistake if i didn't keep bringing it up. he already missed it 4 times previous. i guess my efforts weren't in vain though: seems like stramir will get paid, when previously he wasn't going to

a gambler man is only as good as his word. the money doesn't mean anything to me. the integrity and honor does. i was prepared to pay my end of the bet.

Cry me a river Jhon

ranlo

i just wanted to say that its cool that you can double check your facts after someone tells you about your mistake (even only one person!), and then own up to your error and apologize on top of it. props

sorry for not writing this sooner, was caught up with all the drama with Canadian Guy. but i did want to respond because this type of behavior is very rare on the interwebs

dont be mad that i offended you because you have to peddle for tips in your signature

everyone is at where they are at

the funny thing is that you are endorsing a guy who is now knowingly scamming, and you are encouraging it. and you were one of the bettors! haha

He paid everyone else but you, so he's not a scammer, you just have to question why he paid everyone but you

once you find the door, you will then have to find the key, once you've found the key to the door (being the reason as to why he didn't pay you)  you can walk through the door and you won't care about not being paid as you found out about the error of your ways, however until then, keep trolling

or i will just give you the key to the door

You demanded the 1 BTC in a rude manner and accused OP of being a scammer which you are continually doing so, therefore OP does not want to and will not pay you the 1BTC as he has the power to do so or not, plus he doesn't even know you to put up with your rudeness, in future be more polite, courtesy can get you far, even if it is 1btc far

you are right, that seems to be the case.

i didn't know that being rude was grounds for non-payment. i guess that's how ethics works on bitcointalk. especially me being rude only AFTER the guy continuously shown that he had no interest in paying the other two parties

of course you had no reason to be rude, he honored your bet from the start.

i told him of his error without being rude, and so did 3 other people also without being rude. what was his response to us? "i'm not paying, go re-read the thread". he was the one who was rude at the start. apparently 4 people telling him that he was wrong didn't matter. we were all making things up. or, he double checked and decided that he wasn't gonna honor his bet. either way, he was rude to us. only then did i make accusations.

edit

this however must just be a joke.

if one person gets scammed, then the guy is a scammer. he is only reputable if he pays everyone. if a business scams one customer, but all other customers are fine, i guess the business is a-ok in your book? the business is allowed to keep someone's money as long as they pay out the rest? maybe i should start a business here on bitcointalk, given these ethics. i could make a killing

dont know if i'm dreaming or not. this cannot be real life.

I lol'd. Not sure what to think about that image...

What? You're not a "professional" online poker rube?  ;)

Guys, stop arguing, if you feel bad because he didn't pay a bet that he confirmed (which he did IMO) open a scam accusation thread in the appropriate subforum and the mods will decide.

Just FYI, bets that were not honored resulted in scammer tags in the past, but all the variables will be taken into consideration.

CanadianGuy had no assurance you guys would pay up if he was to be right!! Yet he paid up his end, drop it already.

i had my bitcoins ready to pay him if i lost, wheres the excitement in a bet if you have nothing to lose?

Canadianguy.

I just want to say two things.

1) You are awesome
2) My wallet address is 1C69ZZ3anoFXuYKDtPV4Z8hdHzvwusp3pv

Thanks a lot, buddy!

not following the connection rampion

i never said you were running a business. i made a valid comparison since the guy claimed that is was ok to scam one person as long as he doesn't scam the rest of the people.


ok sir

the analogy was not limited to 'business' persay

here's another:

perhaps i should start a thread accepting bets on this forum, and pay out everyone except one person that i choose. i could make a killing.

you continue to ignore the fact that i only called you a scammer after 4 people had already pointed out your mistake, and at that point you STILL refused to pay both me and stramir. i did not call you a scammer initially.

those facts are convenient for you to ignore, because it fits your agenda

i figured it was possible that it was an honest mistake. however, then you responded again saying "No. Read the thread again." since you seem to be a stickler for etiquette: that is a fairly rude dismissal on your part as well.

Quite honestly, if you make a promise (a bet is a promise), then renig on it, that deserves a scammer tag.  I don't care the circumstances.  I don't care how much you like or don't like a person.  I don't care what names he has called you.  You made a promise to pay him 1 BTC if certain conditions were met, those conditions were met, and you are refusing to pay him.

Scammer in my book.

let me tell you how history actually went, since you cannot count to 4

you confirm you lost the bet, but you leave out both me and stramir:



now,

1. (stramir)


2. (Jozzaboy)


3. (me) (and in this post, i quoted your confirmation, so how could you "not believe me"?)


4. (Malawi)

feel free to verify those timestamps

and then your response:


how can you claim you argued with no one except me?

look at your post above, you are quoting Malawi, who is an independent third party. clearly you are disputing another person besides me in that very post.

how much more will you backtrack?

this thread is completely on-topic.

the first post was an offer to take bets on a prediction. all subsequent discussion has been regarding said bets

hey, at least you can admit your mistake and own up to it. thats more than some people can do ;)

who wants to bet that tomorrow the price of bitcoin will be below $120

at 2 - 1 odds

e.g you bet 0.5 btc that price will be over $120, if it goes over i pay out 1 btc, if its under you pay out 0.5 btc

I would say the odds are attractive

who has bullish Cajones??

OP???

edit: I will raise it to 2.5 - 1, only a ten dollar increment, we all know thats possible with bitcoin

bitwhizz
Icey
Johnblaze
Stramir

Be a man!

@CanadianGuy:  Please pay johnblaze if you can.  

Since you see the odds as attractive, you are doing this as a hedge against a buy?

  ::)
 of course not, think about it, i would need to buy like 25 bit coins, 2 and a half thousand dollars to pay off for one loss in the bet, if i was hedging with buys

edit- approximately,

it would therefore make more sense to not do the bet and keep the bit coins

From the looks of it maybe next monday and hopefully we get back $120

Before you dismiss it as absurd, consider that it is an honest question.  It is not so uncommon really.  
To hedge a buy in such a way if you think it is going up, but slowly rather than swiftly.  
It is like buying, and selling short an out of the money call option with a one day expiration.
If you find a buyer for your call, you essentially get in at a lower entry point and you also get the upside above 120 (unlike a call).

The subtle point here is that this "betting" is a sort of derivatives market.

agreed, its like forex trading almost

i called you a scammer after 4 people notified you of your mistake, and you still refused to pay, choosing instead to remain arrogant and ignorant (which you continue to choose even now). only then did i call you a scammer.

but its convenient that you ignored my last post which counters your excuses so far (not being able to count to 4, and claiming to only argue with me)

Then you're still a scammer.

Next time, pay attention when you say "all bets confirmed"  ;)

Don't initiate a prop you don't intend to pay!

CanadianGuy is an amazing User..by the way  the thread is very funny as well.

If you are that rich i glad to receive donations for a poor student..

1D7iEKuspqjYC1qRngfEniwqQgSLjH4eHq

Change your name - you are giving our country a bad name.   >:(

OBAMA GOT SUED

BITCOINS UP!!!

karma is the ultimate arbiter

something will go wrong in CanadianGuy's life and he will complain how "bad things happen to good people" or something similar. all the while he will not remember his measly $100 bet on the interwebs that he welched on.

lol
you're doing it wrong tho

I really doubt a 13 year old would donate $100 to anything.  

really dude

fuck this guy

Agreed.

I read this whole thread, just for the FUN of it.. and I was "shocked" by the initial (rather quick) "scammer" label by johnblaze... but in all honesty, I can really see why he called you that.

I don't think johnblaze made an error in being quick to call you names, CanadianGuy.

You are obviously a good dude, and I think johnblaze is making a valiant effort to explain, and clarify his rationale...

So, I think johnblaze is definitely OWED 1BTC, and (perhaps) CanadianGuy is owed an apology for being labeled a "scamer" too quickly

I'd HATE to be called a scammer, so I totally understand CanadianGuy, especially since his INTENTIONS were to pay his losses.

I think johnblaze would have paid you (so he is not a scammer) please pay him so you don't become one!

 

hmmm.... are you trying to make up for your "mistake" ?

I do not think this is the right thing to do... I have never done it, but I will start to look into how to label someone a "scammer"... please just make up with john...

Make bitcoin a "happy" place! :)

i was prepared, and i still am, to retract my accusation

as i posted in the other thread, all CanadianGuy had to do was very simple: "i am not a scammer, i made an honest mistake, i was the one who should have re-read the thread. here is your coin." if he would have done that, and if he still does that, i will retract my statement.

at the time i called him a scammer, HE WAS. it was the truth. he was refusing to pay two people that he owed.

and at this time, he is a scammer.

of course all of this can change in one instant, and he will not be a scammer. he chooses not to.

I feel the mods would be providing a valuable service to the community to label the OP as scammer at this point.
Whilst I have no intention of being rude to those I deal with, I would now not deal with the OP and it's only by chancing on this thread that I know not to trust his word.
Sad to see it go this way.

Discussion on scammer tag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232145.0