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Hello from Ukraine  :).

Few days ago I sent this message to Cyrus (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78147), probably he has a lot of work for a response.

Wanna ask in this thread about Ukrainian separate board.

Yeah, for now our thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982) isn't very active, most people are yelling about separate board.

But if you look at لعربية (Arabic) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=241.0), עברית (Hebrew) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=95.0) or 한국어 (Korean) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=82.0) boards, there also not so active as others, but still, they have separate board.

I do not wrote this post with claims or demands, I just wanna to understand the policy of the forum.

Thanks!  :)

Yes, I agree. Ukrainian separated board is needed!

Agree for 10000% with author!! You even can't imagine how many people from Ukraine interested in Bitcoin and cryptocurrency. Yes, everyone from Ukraine knows Russian perfect, but in the separate board, we can solve some local questions. And be honest, I really wanna try to do the translation to Ukrainian for bounties campaigns.

I think that Ukrainian separate board will help to form stronger blockchain and crypto oriented community of Ukrainians in this forum!
For last years we already have a trend in increasing the number of projects that are based in our country or had the origin from here (taas.fund, hacken.io, karbowanec.com,
uahpay.com, dmarket.io and others) as well as exchanges: liqui.io, kuna.io, btc-trade.com.ua.  
Also, in Ukraine, we have one of the biggest world famous company on the mining market - BitMiner and as I know many people are involved in mining too!
Besides, we have first attempts from our authorities to make some steps in adopting mining and cryptocurrency regulation,
and maybe the separate Ukrainian board at this forum will help our authorities to make this steps more constructive, with the understanding of blockchain basis.
Beleive that separate Ukrainian board could help to find more investors from Ukraine into blockchain startup projects and their ICOs or Token sales as well as simply discover to more people the values of the crypto world!
Hope in nearest future we'll get our separate Ukrainian board!

Sure, Ukrainian local board is very needed!
Kyiv is one of the main crypto-currency capitals, sometimes in a week there are 3-5 events in Kyiv alone (other cities as Dnipro, Odessa, Lviv also host such conferences)
It's impossible to discuss everything is 1 Ukrainian thread, it's not comfortable.
Also Ukraine has more than 200,000 freelancers, who work in IT area, and the number of blockchain, cryptocurrency projects increase.
We need a separate board that's for sure!
What can we do to fasten the process?

Agree with the author.
Ukraine is a big country and lots of ukrainians are on interest of cryptocurrency market.

Agree  we need  separate board about Ukrainian

Because there is no dedicated Ukrainian board, it is quite common that Ukrainian projects either create threads in English-only variant or, what is even worse, in russian board due to absent container.
For example, Ukrainian Karbo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1491747.0) has threads in English and in russian but not in Ukrainian which is extremely inconvenient and leaves out native Ukrainian speakers.

Hello admins.
I agree with my fellow citizens.
Our goverment is modern and implements blockchain technologies.
Also I want invite my friends to BT but cann't becouse we have only one thread.
Thanks  8)

It will be even very good when you allocate a Ukrainian board. then there will be even more users. I vote yes!!!! ;)

My friend just invited me so I'm new user but I want show that unkrainians must have separate board.

Thank You TheFuzzStone.
Finally somebody created this discussion.
I know from another forum there are a lot of people from Ukraine interested in cryptocurrency or even work with it.
Therefore this board can be useful and successful

I remember that people were asking to add Ukraine local board year ago. But then it was said that current Ukrainian thread isn't active enough.
But even Japan, which local thread is more active, still don't have local board because theymos said that he don't see huge demand for it. I think he would say samething about Ukraine.
But I think that people of Ukraine really need for local board. As I know, you have quite big bitcoin community in your country.

Yes, cryptocummunity is huge in Ukraine and it increases.
The thing is that those Ukrainians who don't know English at good level (many do know, but still not everyone as in many countries) - might even don't know that this forum has Ukrainian thread.
How can they find it?
I remember I found it accidentally.
How can me speak there, if everything in 1 thread is a combination of news posts, ICO announcements, disscussions on different topics, etc...

For example I just found the events for the next 2 (!!) days. On the first event there are no tickets!
And that's only what I found from one of my fb friends, and only in Kyiv!

30 October  - Ukrainian Blockchain Day https://www.facebook.com/events/475147782850959
30 October - Mитaп c Zerion https://www.facebook.com/events/375970866168505
31 October - ICO Битвa #3: ICO для зaвoдa и пapoxoдa  https://www.facebook.com/events/124146581610754/

Agree with the previous speakers.
When translating this text, a google translator was used.

Yes, let's return to this idea, especially now that's actual when Ukraine is recognized as one of the leaders in blockchain innovations

Those who didn't see this yet, can check Don Tapscott's post.
https://ca.linkedin.com/hp/update/6361661432630640640?pathWildcard=6361661432630640640

There is a map of Top-blockchain countries and Ukraine is there.

Admins, please tell us can we have own sub-forum in Ukrainian?
What needs to be done?

@OP
You'd make a stronger case if you collected all the Ukranian projects that are getting posted in English or in other sub/local boards. Also if you could find some Hero / Legendary Ukrainians on this forum and forward them the link to this post, then they too would back you up.
This would seriously represent a strong need for a local board where Ukrainians can come together to discuss on each of these projects. Which in my opinion is hard to keep track of currently.
Good luck

Thank you Legendster for support!
As you see Hero members and Legendary already commented here, and some others (including myself) will become Legenadary probably during this year, that's the matter of time. For us it's not a problem to speak in English and that's even interesting to check what's going on in the world of blockchain.
But some other Ukrainians don't speak English fluently, and discuss everything in 1 thread that's really not comfortable)

From the Ukrainian projects I will name 2:

1) Hacken https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2135278.0;topicseen
They had successful ICO recently.

2) REMME https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2060387.0
This thread is not very active, but their CEO is also on Bitcointalk
REMME raised $1,800,000 on presale and tokensale starts in 2 weeks
https://tokensale.remme.io/

These are only 2 recent projects, and those which I follow personally.
Both projects are successful.
Of course many others projects are going on

As I see in other ANN threads, Ukrainian is also popular language of translation for the projects. 
I don't understand why can't we have a separate board?
When it will be created - believe me, more and more Ukrainians will join Bitcointalk!

Just in case I can volunteer to be moderator there

there are tons of ukrainians here in forum. but we lack our own fully functional thread. All the messages about all possible topics go in one thread. It's impossible to communicate or keep some topic this way. Thus we are pushed to use other language threads. And it creates much obstacles since we should use not native language to communicate. Ukraine is a huge country with approx. 40mil citizens. I think we deserve to have our own full-functional thread to develop our crypto community.

Separate ukrainian board will be helpful to get country-specific info properly stuctured. Starting from discussion how to pay appopriate taxes up to local-oriented ICOs.

I hope somebody from the Administration of Bitcointalk forum will notice this topic and will reply to us.
The topic was started in October and still no reply!

Hello crypto-brothers). Ukrainian separated board is very important for us.

Look what Forbes writes:  "Ukraine Is Silently Leading A Digital Currency Revolution" (https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2017/03/20/ukraine-is-silently-leading-a-digital-currency-revolution/#18f2dddb465c)

Popular Ukrainian magazines also writes (https://korrespondent.net/business/financial/3869445-puzyr-yly-zoloto-bytkoyn-lykhoradka-v-ukrayne) about UA crypto revolution.

We are here, and our community increases day by day.

Support this idea  ;)

I really wonder why we don't have even answer for this.
I know people wrote to Cyrus, and as was indicated here, many other languages have own local board, while they have smaller population, smaller amount of blockchain projects in their country..
May be there are some political reason why we have no answer?
I'm not sure, but where to look for another explanation?

I just wonder - is there political reason for denying Ukrainians to have local separate board?
Is this in the spirit of decentralization?
Hundreds, thousands of Ukrainians can't have their board while many smaller nation have theirs.
I really think that's not fair

I vote for separate Ukrainian Board. Hope, admin make a right decision. It's help to make forum more convenient for Ukrainian users   

Yes, we need at least clear answer to this questions.
Some Ukrainians already wrote to admins but didn't receive response

The right option is to set rules when a separate board can be set. It will eliminate any speculation and/or political issues for the point. For example if separate board had to be run on additional hardware we will need some donators to justify the new setup.

It seems to me that no additional costs needed. As Bitcointalk has advertising which I think will cover all the costs of having 1 more board.
But if not, I personally say that I'm willing to donate
Also just in case I can be moderator of on of the sub-boards

Admins ? We need separate Ukrainian local board. Srsly.

Completely agree with guys, separate boatd will attract more users from Ukraine and would be much more convenient for existing users. Thumb up for it!

Who knows how many pages if this thread do we need to have to get at least an answer?
I will wait a bit till I become Senior Member and will be messaging moderators about this question

I have impression that no one pay any attention to the thread. No feel that even Legendary 'll change a lot.

I want to update this topic.
It is very important that you create a thread where you can create topics in your native language. Because in this Ukrainian topic many questions are repeated every time.  :'(

Another factor for creating a separate stream is that the Ukrainian theme is the most active in the "other languages" section. :(

Yes, good point
In Ukraine there are lots of people who are into cryptocurrency and bitcoin
Lots of conferences are hold in Kyiv, even this month - only 3 about which I know and I plan to attend...
So we need Ukrainian board here

Local board is not only about local language. It help to separate country-specific discussion, for example taxes, legal issues etc.

Guys everything is simple.
There are lots of Russians in crypto, and may be in the board of management of this forum as well.
Russians hate Ukraine and Ukrainians.
So you will NEVER have a separate board here.
You need to assimilated either into English or Russian language boards.

I will not beleive that we have nation-based hate issue in cryptocommunity until I'll have a proof.
But I prefer to get hard proof that there is no such issue.
Hey, board managment, please let us know what's going on.

More than 10 days passed since your message. No information. That's not proof, but..
It seems to me that Russians deny your right to have own state so why do you wonder they deny your right to have a separate board?

What if an Ukrainian board was created then the country get annexed by mother Russia, the board will be removed or will be annexed to the Russian local sub?
Ehm, I am not Russian, just trying to go along with your reasoning :P
All you need to do to get your local board is by being active and keep posting, being less active because having one topic isn't an excuse imo.
Hope you get your wishes soon even if this action will upset the mother land ::)
Good luck

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BTW, hey theymos, can't we regroup close languages (that aren't yet qualified for having their own local board) in one local board such as slavic (Belarusian, Ukrainian, Sorbian... /except Russian) where they will find subsections to post on it?

Many issues are country-specific. I think few people in Belarus or Serbia can be interested in Ukrainian legal innovations or stuff like that and vice versa. So really I do not beleive it's a good option to go.

I guess in Ukrainian topic is also mess like on Serbian. It is two most active topics in other language section
I started the discussion month ago about Serbian local board here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3013762.0 but still have no any reaction from the forum administrator.
I hope we'll get it soon


You can not know until you try. is not it?

The OP cited the Arabic which is relatively recent sub and the Hebrew an old sub. These two subs aren't for a specific country obviously. Their users are from many countries and all over the world. So they cannot really talk about a country specific issue.

My proposition which will likely not happens, has a major advantage which is subs, you can post in the altcoins sub for example
First topic : [ANN][SHITCOIN][UA] bla bla bla !
Second topic : [ANN][SHITTOKEN][RS] bla bla bla !
Then once you have too many topics, you can request your local mod to ask admins for a proper local board.

I just gave a proposition and It is up to admins to decide ;)

First of all thanks for commenting here!
I hope Theymos or whoever can decided this question, will notice this thread and will leave reply at least.
The point is that in Ukraine blockchain and cryptocurrency area is so developed, so we have now every day some crypto-event.
Two blockchain hubs were opened recently!
Even this only reason I think might be enough to make the board.
And in our local thread, yes we are active.

Do you think postings in Altcoins sub like you suggested won't be deleted?

No, I mean altcoins (or other) sub under local board.
For example : Ukrainian/altcoins, or slavic/off-topic.
Having a local board will allow everyone to post freely in their language and pass restrictions. Of course if someone will post in his local language in the altcoins (English) section, his topic will be deleted and will receive a warning..
Sorry for not being clear.
Good luck

Yes, this in one more reason why Ukrainian board is necessary.
But for me it's not the most important case. If somebody followes crypto, blockchain trends he or she should see that this are is very advanced and popular in Ukraine.
At the same time not everyone is fluent in English.
Having local board will attract more members and more communication, therefore it will be good for Bitcointalk

May be you can be so kind to PM some of the moderators?
You are Legendary and it seems you are not from Ukraine, so this will make your opinion sound better

Thanks!

Good day!
 I have many friends who are interested in crypto currency. But they are bad English and Russian speakers. Now there are few sources in the Ukrainian language about the crypto currency. And I would like that this forum became a source of reliable information for Ukrainian speakers. Now the branch of the form is similar to a black hole. This will reduce the number of deceived investors.
 I ask the moderators to pay attention to the request
 Thank you!

Everybody deserves to have theie own separate forum. I think the others, the other forums you mentioned where active before and have been inactive for quite sometime. O dont know there reasons though. I do hope you will havw your own. Just be patient and keep on asking the admins.

Separate Local Board in Ukrainian language is really good idea. I am sure it will help to develop Ukrainian crypto community and boost discussions of county/region specific topics.

Well, I think the admin are just waiting for a formal request to open a certain local board separately for one country, since in my thoughts randomly creating all countries local board is not a good idea.

If you want to formally request open a separate board for your fellow country man, keep on mind that you need a moderator from your country, can you suggest someone who can become one?  Looking for a qualified person will be difficult ifnthe admin will track all the members here.

We do have a lot of people who know a lot about crypto and will be ready to moderate a local board.
If it will be required I can do moderation of local board as for now.
It's a pity but we still have no info from bitcointalk admins what is needed or what criteria should be met to create a local board.

Guys so you see how much time passed since my last post and still no answer
I don't say that admins are puppets of Russia (ooops, I hope I won't be punished for this) but all the situation is very strange!

Too bad that so much time passed since the creation of this thread - but no attention from mods, no replies..

May be we need to report the thread to moderators to get any attention?

I support this as I know that nowadays many Ukrainians refuse to speak Russian. I've been to Lviv and used English as the language of communication even though people know Russian. And I understand them, when the neighbor country takes a part of your land, the first thing you want to do is to stop speaking your enemy's thong. 45 million lives in Ukraine and bitcoin is quite a big thing there. They have a very popular Forklog news channel which I read every day.

I'm not refuse to speak Russian. I have many friends from Russia, and separate local board isn't some political movement. I don't give a shit about politics.

But we could make some manuals for newbies in Ukrainian language about Bitocin/Altcoins wallets, Ukrainian exchanges (how and where buy crypto for fiat, how do withdrawals and etc.

Post some news in Ukrainian language (using an example like in English press-board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=77.0)), communicate on different things relating to Ukrainian crypto-world (like exchanges, different legal issues, merchants, etc.)

Yeah, I know that administration of the forum need some trusted people for moderation and I do not put forward my candidacy.

EDIT.

For now we are #2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=11.0;sort=replies;desc) by replies and #3 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=11.0;sort=views;desc) by views. Previous our thread was useful, we had some conversations, but for now thread is full of bounty-messages. Also it's not comfortable to post all in one thread.

For example, I made a manual for newbies about Electrum and Multisig (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3308541) (in Russian language), if I post this manual into our thread, after few days of bounty-messages that manual will be "lost".

Yeah, you're right, bitcoin and blockchain are beyond politics. I don't care either, just expressing what I noticed visiting the western part of Ukraine.

Just a thought only. Why not you guys create a pool in your local section and then invite all the local users to vote there. Then submit it to theymos.
This way the admins will have a good understanding of numbers. I see a lot of support on this thread.

PS: I am not an Ukrainian however I believe in the whole world as a country. For good cause I have support from all circumstances.  

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Some people don't care about politics, some care. But in this question of local board everyone is united.
And we need to get at least an answer..
I think we don't have local board either because of laziness or because of politics..

Recently we had iForum in Kyiv - you can check short video from it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAZPPWK-XwM&t

12 000 IT people came there! Separate #Blockchain stream was with many interesting speakers.

Next day we had Blockchain Kyiv summit.. may be 1000 attendants.. and we have lots of such big events.

Many countries don't have such big cryptocurrency community and industry, but have local board.

Anyway it seems mods are waiting for Satoshi Nakamoto and his word.

Satoshi will come, Satoshi will help!
Long live Satoshi!

I ask you, agree with the author.
The country where about 40 million people live. Which gives the world excellent specialists in IT technologies.
In Ukraine many people are interested in crypto currency and cryptomir.

What is cryptomir ? ;)

Really strange that nobody from mods don't reply. I'm sure they visit "Meta" section.
It's impossible to see everything on this forum, but "Meta" section they read for sure!

I reported to moderator my own post requesting attention. This report was processed and marked as "false report". But as for now nobody answered to the thread or to me. So we have clear confirmation that administration do not want to go public with their stance for the problem.

Ok, I hope you won't have problems with your account for this!
I think more chances to meet on some conference somebody who is close to the administration of this forum..
I will keep this in mind for future traveling!

Good video but how can you prove it's in Ukraine?
I mean mods do not care how developed your county is in terms of blockchain.
The only thing is you might hope to have 1000 pages here and 1000 pages in Ukrainian thread.. may be then they will notice you))

Right at the beginning is the big banner above the entrance in Ukrainian "Укpaїнcький фopyм iнтepнeт дiячiв".

Good point! Although I think he was joking..
Really IT area and Blockchain community in Ukraine is so developed, but still some people (including mods here) ignore this fact

It is really frustrating for country of 40mil citizens dwell in sub-forum where all he subjects go in one thread. I can barely read in ukrainian thread anything. All the thoughts and subjects are talked one over another. Please consider creating separate thread for us!

I support!

Thank's man! But we also need some support (or at least some answer) from administration of the forum.

Yes if somebody knows moderators personally (or may be you are in touch with them by skype, telegram) - this might help a lot
We know admins have lots of things to do, but so many languages exist, why there can't be Ukrainian language?

Probably because administration needs old and trusted Ukrainian speaking user(s) to moderate the Ukrainian board.

Theymos, we appeal to you. We just need a local Board. Do not ignore us. This is not fair. I know that you are very busy with the new forum & etc. But pay attention to the Ukrainian. We are not an empty place, but part of this forum. How many years will you ignore our existence? Please help us !!!

I think that's not the point, you are Hero member, and there are several other Ukrainians who are Hero members, even Legendary members...
I think administration doesn't care or doesn't have time

It does not matter what rank your profile has. A great example, a new moderator of the Russian board -- Xal0lex (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1068464), with Full Member rank.

Administration need a trusted person, who will not abuse the moderator's privileges during moderation, with hundreds of reports with 98-99% accuracy.

Also, as I said preiously, I do not nominate my candidacy for the role of an Ukrainian board moderator.

 

That's not a problem to decide who will be moderator.
I also do not nominate myself. However I can be one of the moderators if necessary. I think there should be several moderators anyway

Absolutly AGREE with the author!!!

Well, they will give us a separate section on the forum-Ukrainian.
And what will be the attitude towards writing posts in Russian?
P.S. a separate section is needed, but there should not be any prejudice to writing in Russian ...

In this thread only English please. Thank you.

I think that a separate local board should have rules in place. If we will get separate board for Ukraine as a country then we should welcome hungarian, polish and russian-language posts along with ukrainian. No problem for me. But as far as I know we do not have separate board for Spain, we have board where spanish language posts are used for communication. And as for now we do have russian board that is not limited to Russian Federation issues but welcome all russian-speaking cryptocommunity as long as commonly shared language is used. So I'll suggest to wait for rules in place and look into the issue.

Ukrainian thread is so useful...  :-X

• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.msg36941968#msg36941968
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.msg37001682#msg37001682
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.msg37008272#msg37008272
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.msg37032346#msg37032346
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.msg37089234#msg37089234
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.msg37090748#msg37090748
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.msg37294517#msg37294517
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.msg37431219#msg37431219
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.msg37569108#msg37569108
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.msg37661977#msg37661977
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.msg37671428#msg37671428
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.msg37675497#msg37675497

May be if they start posting bounty translation in all the sections, especially Meta - may be then you will be noticed?
Well that's a joke but I don't get why Ukrainians are ignored on this forum!

Good article and I think this is accurate statistics
One more reason to have Ukrainian Local Board

What sense ask the separate section and write there in Russian?

By the way, two another threads about that:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4365564.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1621167.0