Bitcoin Forum

So I was briefly messing around with the Bitcointalk forums, and was looking at my profile. Jaywaka2713: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=85173

I noticed there was a user number in the URL. So I changed it to 1 and found the admin account. Wasnt a big surprise. What was a surprise is that it only has 7 posts, and was only active for 4 days. It's local time is interesting though. I also couldn't pull up any of his posts.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1

I tried using the user number "2" but no user came up. Probably because of some catalog system in HTML or SMF that I do not understand, or because the account was removed.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2

However, when I used user number "3", Satoshi's account came up. His posts came up.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3

That was interesting to me. I looked at his Local Time, and noticed it's 5 hours ahead of mine. Im in Illinois, meaning I live in the CST time zone. 5 hours ahead would be in Britain. I went back to the Admin account with user number "1", and guess what? Same time zone. Satoshi must have made both accounts, as they were made within 2 days of each other. Admin must have been a testing account, but with 7 posts? All of which couldn't be found?

I kept raising the user number by 1, finding 22 other accounts, and only 7 of which were active this year. The rest of them had relatively low post counts. Too lazy to pull up their bitcoin addresses. I stopped once I got to user number "35", which was theymos. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35

I was wondering why theymos was the 25th (maybe 35, but there were plenty of blank numbers. Guessing that they are false) user on the forum, but is also the Admin. The third user with user number "4" sirius, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4 is Staff. Shouldn't he be Admin?

I checked theymos's time zone, and he also lives in the CST timezone alongside me, so he doesn't live in Britain.

I don't know if it was confirmed or not, or even known if Satoshi potentially lived in Britain. I heard that there was British dialect in the comments of Bitcoin code and in his White Paper. Also the Genesis Block message.

I also find it interesting that Theymos was the 25th member on the forum, yet is Admin, while sirius was the third member on the forum, is still active, and only has a staff position. I'd like to dig deeper into how exactly Theymos became the bitcointalk Admin.

ask him

Thank you...for your succinct post...7 characters...K

I will eventually, but I'd rather find the threads or emails or something first. I doubt he was just appointed by Satoshi randomly. There must have been a vote. A vote from the original 24 other accounts before him. Maybe sirius appointed him?

and this is how conspiracies start - half truths being converted to full lies describes as truth! ;)

If you are interested in chasing ghosts, you should spend your time on the cypherpunks newsgroups around 2007

Its likely that you'll find far more hints to ID there than you'll ever do here.

Please, explain how anything above is a half truth or a full lie. I'd like to know. I also happen to be very interested in the identity of Satoshi, as it's remarkable how he posted the worlds best model for a financial system back in 2008, and hasn't been found since.

Cypherpunks is certainly an interesting topic, but is not of interest to me at the moment.

Lol
Really

Britain is in GMT/UTC time zone which is the default time zone in this forum IIRC. Maybe they just didn't change their profile ;)

Exactly.  ;D

I'll look into cypherpunks if I really cannot do anything else with looking into Satoshi


I was not aware of this. I would think it would be standard human behavior to customize voids that we would know how. I'm positive Satoshi knew SOMETHING about his timezone. I changed mine, so either he does live in Britain, or didn't change it at all.

Don't you think that someone that has the brains and insight to create Bitcoin might also be able to cover his tracks on the net? ;)


Satoshi and Bitcoin are born from the cypherpunks. It might do you well to research them.

maybe Satoshi disappears for some reason. maybe he doesnt want the world knows his true ID.
And here you are, trying to dig him up

I vaguely recall someone doing a study of Satoshi's post times and deciding that eastern US was the most likely time zone in which he lived. 

Do you think you might be able to find the source for that?


I was not aware of this. I'll start researching the 2007 cypherpunks articles and such. Do you think you could post the source regarding the relation between Satoshi and Cypherpunks?

so totalling maybe 100 threads to find satoshi.. how about use one of the others.

how about realise you wont learn any secrets about the coding by finding satoshi.. its open source!!

he wanted something different to the standard banking system, so what would be left to ask him if he was found.. all the main answers to questions can be found already

That is not my goal in the first place. I've pulled up and (misunderstanding [lack of C++ knowledge]) read the Bitcoin source code on the Bitcoin wiki. My goal is to try and find Satoshi. Yes I know others have failed, but who cares. Its for the hell of it really. This thread was mainly to propose that Satoshi may have been in Britain. Also, if he did create the admin account, wouldn't it make sense to host the forums in the country you live in, meaning the time zone default may not mean anything?

evidence found 4 years ago puts him as a 90% chance of being from britain.. .. now what..

if someone does not want to be found and they have not committed a crime. leave them alone

You do bring up a good point. Maybe he wants to remain anonymous so badly he hasn't been active here since 2011. Good point indeed. The task of finding such a person is too daunting for me anyways. I'll try to find you instead  ;D Just messing. But you do bring a good point.

The Cypherpunks are/were an ethic more than a group, but there was a core of coders that brought the ethic to life. You can browse through the listserv archives going back to 1993 here:

http://marc.info/?l=cypherpunks

The first Bitcoin transaction was to Hal Finney, cypherpunk extraordinaire:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155054.0;topicseen

Those who know don't say, and those who say don't know?

Thank you for those sources. I will read through the listserv archives a little bit just out of raw interest. Were there any Mailings after May 1st, 2005? It ends there.

Also I looked through that second link you sent. I pulled this quote from the article:


Do you know what mailing list he was talking about? Was it the cypherpunks mailing list? If it was, in that listserv archive you shared, the archive for 2007 and 2008 aren't there.

Just get his IP address from his posts/account....

I'm sure there are admins here who have more information on the matter.

Impossible. Satoshi used anonymousspeech.com for hosting Bitcoin.org. He probably used them as a VPN for anonymous browsing as well.

http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@metzdowd.com/msg10142.html

I heard Satoshi was actually a pen name for Theodor Seuss Geisel. Apparently, he really lives is Whoville under the names of Cares.

I actually hope he stays a secret ...  because this endless discussion of who is Satoshi is one of the best parts of Bitcoin.

Wow. So that was the original announcement of Bitcoin? It's like I'm taking a history tour on this thing. I followed that email down to the registration for the cryptography mailing list. I registered to it. I think cryptography will be something very interesting. Hopefully this list is still active. Now to register for the cypherpunks mailing list.


I agree now actually. I'll adjust my time to studying C++ and cryptography.


EDIT: Unfortunately the last node to the cypherpunks mailing list is down. So is the LNE node. Oh well.

*FacePalm!*

 ::)

Quite contradictory!  ;D

http://www.cypherpunks.to/faq/cyphernomicron/cyphernomicon.html



I hope you do. We'll need ethical coders in the future. :)

That is so true. Thank you for sharing your sources. They really do help.

Just spotted that you claim to be 15, so I'll be nice.

What if Satoshi was not just one person, but a collection of people?

What if they shared a profile?

What if the hint to who Satoshi is is not what was said, but what bits of data was shared?

If you really want to know who the ghost is, and personally, I think its a waste of time, the trick is looking at all the connections for the whole group.

Have fun :)

Satoshi is a Hungarian or Polish group/person living in the UK.

I AM SURE! ;)

I am still doing hard research on this!  I'll need another year to complete it.

Lois Lane:

How do you find someone who has spent a lifetime covering his tracks?

For some, he was a guardian angel. For others, a ghost, who never quite fit in.

What's the S stand for?

Quoting the most relevant post in this thread.

Hey! I designed a forum for you, here's your login.

Most of the members here never changed the default time zone. I never did and never will. Why? And a guy like Satoshi, who always connected through Tor and looked for complete anonymity using a pseudonym, would never give up personal details like his true time zone.

Seriously, did you even think before typing?

Your sleuth work could have been done much easier by just looking at the forum roster:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist;sort=registered;start=0

Quoting the most relevant post in this thread.


...oops, that's my post... NO ONE IS GOING TO BELIEVE IT NOW! ;)

Look at how $x you are

If I was satoshi I wouldn't want anyone to know my real life identity either. I'm sure this would go for a large # of users of this forum. While the digging is pretty fun, I sincerely hope that nobody actually discovers who satoshi really is. Giving bitcoin a face just makes it 10X easier to shut it down and then BTC is held accountable to all actions/words of the creator if public.

That is an excellent point. If Bitcoin (or something like it) indeed does destroy our economic system, governments could come after him for Economic Terrorism. I'm glad he's anonymous.

Im sure someone else have already done this, but whatever why not check the commits n c when he was working with code. No-one works 24/7. That would tell u about his routine. Then depending on the speed of commits one could perhaps deduct how plausible it was that S. had a work or not. I would look for repeating patterns of code, complexity of code and periods of no work. S. was maybe a day or night person who knows, maybe the work habit in combo with something that he has written could provide some inside.

Actually I suspect a friend of mine being S. He never talks about Bitcoins, have shown no apparent interest in computers in general and well... Generally really suspect I think. I have also played with the idea that I might be S. myself but have rejected the idea, main reason that it would be pretty silly to forget something like that. Also my friends who I suspect are all S. dont think I an S. generally speKing i am crazy.

Agreed. But I wouldn't try to find him anymore. Besides, you can't identify anyone by their work schedule. Not enough data. I also don't think C++ records how often you work on code... Maybe if you had access to his AppData, but such a feat is impossible, if he even uses Windows at all!

Everybody knows who Gavin Andresen is, who are the members of the bitcoin foundation , who are investing serious money in bitcoin,
who are the people behind important bitcoin exchanges , payment processors , online stores or even asic companies.

All of the above are the faces of bitcoin right now and they are 100 times more important for bitcoin than Satoshi Nakamoto.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silk-list/message/16129

But why would they leave? So silent so quiet, disappear.
maybe the experiment demands it, i thought about the effect, intentional or not, as a godhead they are in control,but if they disappear they become a teacher, a portal to new paradimes; if we never truly knew them they become a mirror of ourselves for we can only understand them through our reality.

How do you not envision yourself to meet such an ideal and not create it?

When they disappeared it was like an explosion of creAtion, the bottle neck was
removed, there was no one to check our work we had to truly understand it now.

They planned this whole thing out from the beginning, we have free choice, but what if they knew what we would choose?

This is töö perfect, maybe we should be asking; what is the ultimate end game?

The idea of Satoshi is more than Satoshi the man. I dig.

End game? This is the start game.

I was not making fun of you. I do think working habits are interesting. I do think version tracking system log time. I do am craszy.

The program is causing interesting evolutionary pressure, expanding the cypherpunks movement into the mainstream. The development of asics by enthusiasts, the necesities of higher connection speeds, the use of fpga chips, a dialogue is taking place in this community about what money truly is, the design of economic systems, the technology and cryptography techniques being used, the regular adoption by people a system that is completely open except for basic privacy.

I can forsee the construction of terabit internet connections to manage the emerging resolution of data caused by the blockchain technology, further advanced in hard drive technology, fully distributed systems will be created for things we cant even imagine, and the information being as open as it is dets a new standard, what if all government, businesses were forced to be this open just to be competitive? What impresses me the most is that this is the first development of a emerging internet nation with its own currency.

Here is 4 characters

Rofl


and I am just kidding...

On a serious note. Did you ever find out what happend?

I'd be more interested in finding his corpse

Hal is satoshi - we miss you Hal

I don't understand what did he mean?

He meant Superman ? Specter? ...

In fact I was thinking the S and N were just coming from the initials of Nick Szabo  ???

come on bruh, you don`t think it used a VPN?

If he did, then that makes it much easier to find him through VPN provider.

Hi IP points at VPN and that VPN keeps better logs than his own ISP.

1. its team of people spread across the globe, the name is huge misdrection and its not the first time its happen on the web and not the last one, in other words also wiki leaks run by one person...

2. the be fully anonymous its not using tor there other ways which lead to false paths which mean they will give the illusion you get the right ip...when in fact you far away from the ball park.

3. team of activists

4. have huge balls to play with the big boys

5. its not new tech its come from peer to peer file sharing with twist called block--chain

6. edoward snowden which exposed huge amount of info on wiki leaks way before bitcoin came said that peer to peer file sharing can make finicial freedom, and others which i dont going to put there names but some of them can be traced on the web and some team member we will never get to them they are fully underground,

7. edoward snowden part of huge international team, he escaped to china there people waited him to hide him, he escaped under different name.

8. the people behind this projects are have huge balls

9. vitalik the founder of ethereum when he was in israel in small conference some asked him from all this info and laughing,

vitalik answer was: people that know to organize them self over the web....great hint

10. the ones behind the project are never will be in the front like hal finney it can lead and expose other, even few mention before bitcoin came out that peer to peer will make finicial freedom! and will help to any vertical in life.

11.  Daphne Caruana Galizia which get info from group of people under one weird name which they part of wiki leaks.....she was killed in very short time because the info was very ...

12. i can go more deeper but the problem with dump people is they never know how to trace smart and get behind the misdirection...

13. the biggest part of this team no body ever will get to them its not kids they know their shit...

some say they have 1m coins premine which is right and wrong because if i put top project out with other and we have premine of 2 million coins we will buy slowly when the price rise and collect much but much more....great hint this team have more then 1 million coins but much more...

do you know what they can make with this kind of money??? and when bitcoin will hit huge number hell....

andreas antonopoulos said something very nice

"and they say we are criminals"

Just let the man be. I totaly understand that he doesn't want to reveal his identity and probably anyone of us (smart enough) would do the same at his place. Just imagine what kind of life would that be if he revealed his identity. That is why I don't believe to any of these so called evidence that he is identified.

I also have this idea before that if Satoshi created this forum as an admin and the other admins replace him. There is a possibility that one of the admins today is satoshi or if not they know satoshi personally. But the problem remains the same since even if we locate the location of the admin here and talk to them personally they will just deny who satoshi really is. But for me it is good that satoshi remains hidden and I believe being hidden is also part of his plan in making bitcoin a decentralized cryptocurrency.

I don't know why I'm seeing this today but I admire the effort trying every number just to look for possible evidences.
Ahh wait. What did he really looked for? Evidence looking for Satoshi or finding how did Theymos become the admin?
Its been years... Have you already found answer to the question? I'm curious tho…

I think for the reasons already outlined by others this is probably not the best clue as to the true identity of Satoshi Nakamoto, but while I agree on that, I have to give you credit for the effort you put in. I don't think there's anything wrong in investigating the topic or speculating.

Good effort, stay curious buddy.