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June 14, 2013, 03:20:54 PM
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So I was briefly messing around with the Bitcointalk forums, and was looking at my profile. Jaywaka2713: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=85173

I noticed there was a user number in the URL. So I changed it to 1 and found the admin account. Wasnt a big surprise. What was a surprise is that it only has 7 posts, and was only active for 4 days. It's local time is interesting though. I also couldn't pull up any of his posts.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1

I tried using the user number "2" but no user came up. Probably because of some catalog system in HTML or SMF that I do not understand, or because the account was removed.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2

However, when I used user number "3", Satoshi's account came up. His posts came up.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3

That was interesting to me. I looked at his Local Time, and noticed it's 5 hours ahead of mine. Im in Illinois, meaning I live in the CST time zone. 5 hours ahead would be in Britain. I went back to the Admin account with user number "1", and guess what? Same time zone. Satoshi must have made both accounts, as they were made within 2 days of each other. Admin must have been a testing account, but with 7 posts? All of which couldn't be found?

I kept raising the user number by 1, finding 22 other accounts, and only 7 of which were active this year. The rest of them had relatively low post counts. Too lazy to pull up their bitcoin addresses. I stopped once I got to user number "35", which was theymos. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35

I was wondering why theymos was the 25th (maybe 35, but there were plenty of blank numbers. Guessing that they are false) user on the forum, but is also the Admin. The third user with user number "4" sirius, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4 is Staff. Shouldn't he be Admin?

I checked theymos's time zone, and he also lives in the CST timezone alongside me, so he doesn't live in Britain.

I don't know if it was confirmed or not, or even known if Satoshi potentially lived in Britain. I heard that there was British dialect in the comments of Bitcoin code and in his White Paper. Also the Genesis Block message.

I also find it interesting that Theymos was the 25th member on the forum, yet is Admin, while sirius was the third member on the forum, is still active, and only has a staff position. I'd like to dig deeper into how exactly Theymos became the bitcointalk Admin.

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June 14, 2013, 03:23:45 PM
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ask him
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June 14, 2013, 03:26:07 PM
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ask him

Thank you...for your succinct post...7 characters...K

I will eventually, but I'd rather find the threads or emails or something first. I doubt he was just appointed by Satoshi randomly. There must have been a vote. A vote from the original 24 other accounts before him. Maybe sirius appointed him?

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June 14, 2013, 03:29:55 PM
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and this is how conspiracies start - half truths being converted to full lies describes as truth! Wink

If you are interested in chasing ghosts, you should spend your time on the cypherpunks newsgroups around 2007

Its likely that you'll find far more hints to ID there than you'll ever do here.




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June 14, 2013, 03:33:05 PM
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and this is how conspiracies start - half truths being converted to full lies describes as truth! Wink

If you are interested in chasing ghosts, you should spend your time on the cypherpunks newsgroups around 2007

Its likely that you'll find far more hints to ID there than you'll ever do here.

Please, explain how anything above is a half truth or a full lie. I'd like to know. I also happen to be very interested in the identity of Satoshi, as it's remarkable how he posted the worlds best model for a financial system back in 2008, and hasn't been found since.

Cypherpunks is certainly an interesting topic, but is not of interest to me at the moment.

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June 14, 2013, 03:40:16 PM
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Cypherpunks is certainly an interesting topic, but is not of interest to me at the moment.
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June 14, 2013, 03:49:23 PM
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Britain is in GMT/UTC time zone which is the default time zone in this forum IIRC. Maybe they just didn't change their profile Wink
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June 14, 2013, 03:51:06 PM
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Cypherpunks is certainly an interesting topic, but is not of interest to me at the moment.
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Exactly.  Grin

I'll look into cypherpunks if I really cannot do anything else with looking into Satoshi

Britain is in GMT/UTC time zone which is the default time zone in this forum IIRC. Maybe they just didn't change their profile Wink

I was not aware of this. I would think it would be standard human behavior to customize voids that we would know how. I'm positive Satoshi knew SOMETHING about his timezone. I changed mine, so either he does live in Britain, or didn't change it at all.

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June 14, 2013, 03:53:51 PM
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Don't you think that someone that has the brains and insight to create Bitcoin might also be able to cover his tracks on the net? Wink

Cypherpunks is certainly an interesting topic, but is not of interest to me at the moment.

Satoshi and Bitcoin are born from the cypherpunks. It might do you well to research them.
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June 14, 2013, 04:09:55 PM
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maybe Satoshi disappears for some reason. maybe he doesnt want the world knows his true ID.
And here you are, trying to dig him up

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June 14, 2013, 04:16:00 PM
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I vaguely recall someone doing a study of Satoshi's post times and deciding that eastern US was the most likely time zone in which he lived. 

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June 14, 2013, 04:25:23 PM
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I vaguely recall someone doing a study of Satoshi's post times and deciding that eastern US was the most likely time zone in which he lived. 

Do you think you might be able to find the source for that?

Don't you think that someone that has the brains and insight to create Bitcoin might also be able to cover his tracks on the net? Wink

Cypherpunks is certainly an interesting topic, but is not of interest to me at the moment.

Satoshi and Bitcoin are born from the cypherpunks. It might do you well to research them.

I was not aware of this. I'll start researching the 2007 cypherpunks articles and such. Do you think you could post the source regarding the relation between Satoshi and Cypherpunks?

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June 14, 2013, 04:28:06 PM
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so totalling maybe 100 threads to find satoshi.. how about use one of the others.

how about realise you wont learn any secrets about the coding by finding satoshi.. its open source!!

he wanted something different to the standard banking system, so what would be left to ask him if he was found.. all the main answers to questions can be found already

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June 14, 2013, 04:31:16 PM
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so totalling maybe 100 threads to find satoshi.. how about use one of the others.

how about realise you wont learn any secrets about the coding by finding satoshi.. its open source!!

That is not my goal in the first place. I've pulled up and (misunderstanding [lack of C++ knowledge]) read the Bitcoin source code on the Bitcoin wiki. My goal is to try and find Satoshi. Yes I know others have failed, but who cares. Its for the hell of it really. This thread was mainly to propose that Satoshi may have been in Britain. Also, if he did create the admin account, wouldn't it make sense to host the forums in the country you live in, meaning the time zone default may not mean anything?

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so totalling maybe 100 threads to find satoshi.. how about use one of the others.

how about realise you wont learn any secrets about the coding by finding satoshi.. its open source!!

That is not my goal in the first place. I've pulled up and (misunderstanding [lack of C++ knowledge]) read the Bitcoin source code on the Bitcoin wiki. My goal is to try and find Satoshi. Yes I know others have failed, but who cares. Its for the hell of it really. This thread was mainly to propose that Satoshi may have been in Britain. Also, if he did create the admin account, wouldn't it make sense to host the forums in the country you live in, meaning the time zone default may not mean anything?

evidence found 4 years ago puts him as a 90% chance of being from britain.. .. now what..

if someone does not want to be found and they have not committed a crime. leave them alone

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June 14, 2013, 04:38:03 PM
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if someone does not want to be found and they have not committed a crime. leave them alone

You do bring up a good point. Maybe he wants to remain anonymous so badly he hasn't been active here since 2011. Good point indeed. The task of finding such a person is too daunting for me anyways. I'll try to find you instead  Grin Just messing. But you do bring a good point.

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June 14, 2013, 04:42:29 PM
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I was not aware of this. I'll start researching the 2007 cypherpunks articles and such. Do you think you could post the source regarding the relation between Satoshi and Cypherpunks?

The Cypherpunks are/were an ethic more than a group, but there was a core of coders that brought the ethic to life. You can browse through the listserv archives going back to 1993 here:

http://marc.info/?l=cypherpunks

The first Bitcoin transaction was to Hal Finney, cypherpunk extraordinaire:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155054.0;topicseen
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June 14, 2013, 04:43:20 PM
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Those who know don't say, and those who say don't know?

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I was not aware of this. I'll start researching the 2007 cypherpunks articles and such. Do you think you could post the source regarding the relation between Satoshi and Cypherpunks?

The Cypherpunks are/were an ethic more than a group, but there was a core of coders that brought the ethic to life. You can browse through the listserv archives going back to 1993 here:

http://marc.info/?l=cypherpunks

The first Bitcoin transaction was to Hal Finney, cypherpunk extraordinaire:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155054.0;topicseen

Thank you for those sources. I will read through the listserv archives a little bit just out of raw interest. Were there any Mailings after May 1st, 2005? It ends there.

Also I looked through that second link you sent. I pulled this quote from the article:

When Satoshi announced Bitcoin on the cryptography mailing list, he got a skeptical reception at best. Cryptographers have seen too many grand schemes by clueless noobs. They tend to have a knee jerk reaction.

Do you know what mailing list he was talking about? Was it the cypherpunks mailing list? If it was, in that listserv archive you shared, the archive for 2007 and 2008 aren't there.

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June 14, 2013, 04:50:06 PM
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Just get his IP address from his posts/account....

I'm sure there are admins here who have more information on the matter.

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