Title: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sunny King on June 28, 2013, 11:07:15 PM I am happy to announce that the primecoin project is now close to beta quality and will be released to public soon. Please keep in mind this is experimental technology and we reserve the rights to rollback or restart the blockchain should severe bug/vulnerability require such actions. However we would try our best to avoid such scenarios and further develop it into reliable public infrastructure.
Introducing primecoin
ppcoin + primecoin
ppcoin vs primecoin
Release Schedule Primecoin release is tentatively scheduled for 2013 July 7th 18:00 UTC Update: 2013-JUL-07: Primecoin blockchain now up and running. Main discussion thread at: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251850.0 Thanks for your support :) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: NWO on June 28, 2013, 11:08:15 PM Reserved.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mr_random on June 28, 2013, 11:09:05 PM Reserved.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: coinerd on June 28, 2013, 11:13:12 PM If I understand correctly, this will be the second non-hashcash crypto-currency to achieve beta.
Looking forward to it. Will you provide backwards compatibility at the daemon for existing crypto currency infrastructures? (Similar RPC-JSON interface especially?) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Scooby903 on June 28, 2013, 11:14:52 PM Looks interesting...
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: FirewallXIII on June 28, 2013, 11:20:57 PM Nice to see something that's not a carbon copy with parameters changed.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: cbeast on June 28, 2013, 11:21:26 PM
What kind of scientific value? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: SullyTex on June 28, 2013, 11:33:33 PM I'm in!
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: jasonslow on June 28, 2013, 11:37:00 PM This is awesome.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Vorksholk on June 28, 2013, 11:38:05 PM Interesting! :)
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Kevlar on June 28, 2013, 11:42:11 PM I'd like more information about this prime number based proof of work scheme please.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: anderl on June 28, 2013, 11:43:56 PM Interested. I've subscribed
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: thef on June 28, 2013, 11:44:35 PM Finally something different.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sunny King on June 28, 2013, 11:57:54 PM Maybe I have missed something new among the sea of clones, but who is the first non-hashcash proof-of-work that you are referring to?
Some API would be preserved some would be impacted, especially those mining related. Although I haven't looked into it yet the release is client wallet solo mining only. If I understand correctly, this will be the second non-hashcash crypto-currency to achieve beta. Looking forward to it. Will you provide backwards compatibility at the daemon for existing crypto currency infrastructures? (Similar RPC-JSON interface especially?) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: super3 on June 29, 2013, 12:00:38 AM Looks pretty interesting. My miner is is ready. Can you have pool software / mining software ready at launch?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sunny King on June 29, 2013, 12:01:28 AM Design details will be available some time before release.
I'd like more information about this prime number based proof of work scheme please. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Hazard on June 29, 2013, 12:02:06 AM Reserved
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sunny King on June 29, 2013, 12:03:16 AM Looks pretty interesting. My miner is is ready. Can you have pool software / mining software ready at launch? No pool software. It's up to the market to develop those later. Release will be client wallet solo mining only. No external miner. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: kimosan on June 29, 2013, 12:04:07 AM Looks good. Subscribed.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: zackclark70 on June 29, 2013, 12:05:25 AM I can do a basic exchange a prize draw and a giveaway if needed
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: coinerd on June 29, 2013, 12:07:39 AM Maybe I have missed something new among the sea of clones, but who is the first non-hashcash proof-of-work that you are referring to? Most people have missed it completely, watching the sea of clones. It's not a clone at all. Emunie is well into beta with no satoshi wallet, a network structure of at least three node types (or 2 nodes plus wallet) and a different sort of proof of work and ledger structure that I have to admit I don't fully grok yet. I think in the end as transactions age they end up in something that's very like a satoshi blockchain but it lives directly in RDB as well. It's deeply into your "energy efficient" category. They announced it and then the action moved to their forum when the first round of beta opened, there's very little talk of it here. Considering your history here (unlike my noob-ness) I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on it, if you check it out. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sunny King on June 29, 2013, 12:10:59 AM This is the first virus complaint of ppcoin so please report detail in ppcoin thread. The official ppcoin release is built through the same build tool that bitcoin uses (gitian-builder) so that other developers can verify the integrity of the release binaries. Primecoin release will also be built with gitian-builder with published signatures.
My antivirus tells me there is some kind of suspicious activity when I try to download a wallet of this type of coin, so I don't get involved in this type of coin. ppcoin and bitgem both have wallets that had viruses Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: fran2k on June 29, 2013, 12:14:14 AM Can you please add more detail about the real innovation of this coin?
Thks Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sunny King on June 29, 2013, 12:16:51 AM I don't think emunie brought new proof-of-work to the table. Most of the things it does were tried by timekoin and qubic last year. Proof-of-work is not a loose term you'd really need to have proof of your work, not some vague claim that you did something, not something that can be easily cheated.
Most people have missed it completely, watching the sea of clones. It's not a clone at all. Emunie is well into beta with no satoshi wallet, a network structure of at least three node types (or 2 nodes plus wallet) and a different sort of proof of work and ledger structure that I have to admit I don't fully grok yet. I think in the end as transactions age they end up in something that's very like a satoshi blockchain but it lives directly in RDB as well. It's deeply into your "energy efficient" category. They announced it and then the action moved to their forum when the first round of beta opened, there's very little talk of it here. Considering your history here (unlike my noob-ness) I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on it, if you check it out. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: challen on June 29, 2013, 12:22:20 AM CPU only AND solo-mine only???
Thank you!! (While it lasts anyways :) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: eddyfitz on June 29, 2013, 12:23:36 AM So nice that we finally will have coin from "adult" developers
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: coinerd on June 29, 2013, 12:34:52 AM I don't think emunie brought new proof-of-work to the table. Most of the things it does were tried by timekoin and qubic last year. Proof-of-work is not a loose term you'd really need to have proof of your work, not some vague claim that you did something, not something that can be easily cheated. Ok, interesting. I will dig deeper into it, i know it's heavily trust based but hadn't thought of it as "non-proof of work". Timekoin and qubic were both before I knew about crypto so I don't know anything about them really. In any case not to hijack over here with noob questions about another coin. I am interested to see this and how it works out. I know there is a lot of desire for a "useful" proof of work and with it people won't mind the energy costs nearly as much. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: romerun on June 29, 2013, 04:46:18 AM see also
http://www.ppcointalk.org/index.php?topic=288.0 hold on, why not 4th July Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: jubalix on June 29, 2013, 05:01:39 AM reserved
how does this help cpu mine that is agaisnt botnets which may be just directed at the coin could I suggest a silent release of the complied qt client, to those who have over x amount of PPC or were registered on the PPC forum before a certain date, this shows people who are at least dedicated to PPC/ your projects. Eg the day after I purchased BTC I went around buying up PPC! If i understand PrimeCoin may act as a bridge to PPC but I don't understand it the hash rate away from BTC idea, see the overall hash available is increasing, so even if the pie is smaller for BTC this does not make it more vulnerable, also with asics now rolling out and by far the majority of new coins being scrypt his is even less an issue though that could change when everything that produces heat mines as well on that point, it maybe that all heating elements mine eventually kind of putting a floor under the nergy usage as you were going to it anyway. Imagine the amount of power a hot water element pulls, and could be directed at mining as well. Would I like my hot water element to be makieng me btc or some otehr CC, why not! Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: justabitoftime on June 29, 2013, 05:02:51 AM Exciting news Sunny, congrats.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Vorksholk on June 29, 2013, 05:08:58 AM My antivirus tells me there is some kind of suspicious activity when I try to download a wallet of this type of coin, so I don't get involved in this type of coin. ppcoin and bitgem both have wallets that had viruses Uhh, where to start... Download for this wallet isn't even out yet, PPCoin didn't have a virus, neither did bitgem. If you did get a virus from either wallet, you should record where you downloaded the wallet from, and alert the devs so they can take appropriate action. :) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Fuserleer on June 29, 2013, 05:22:28 AM I don't think emunie brought new proof-of-work to the table. Most of the things it does were tried by timekoin and qubic last year. Proof-of-work is not a loose term you'd really need to have proof of your work, not some vague claim that you did something, not something that can be easily cheated. Most people have missed it completely, watching the sea of clones. It's not a clone at all. Emunie is well into beta with no satoshi wallet, a network structure of at least three node types (or 2 nodes plus wallet) and a different sort of proof of work and ledger structure that I have to admit I don't fully grok yet. I think in the end as transactions age they end up in something that's very like a satoshi blockchain but it lives directly in RDB as well. It's deeply into your "energy efficient" category. They announced it and then the action moved to their forum when the first round of beta opened, there's very little talk of it here. Considering your history here (unlike my noob-ness) I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on it, if you check it out. We do "proof of work" also as well as the trust and multi-transaction chain verification. The POW works along side the transaction chains verification procedure and produces a "chain section sequence" that is calculated from all the transactions in the various chains that it relies on. eMunie can have many many chains all co-existing and growing at the same time, think of it more as a block tree than a block chain. When a chain forks, the start and end points of that chain are defined as a chain section, and a finite number of blocks (and transactions) occupy it. To produce this chain section sequence, you have to traverse all of the block tree forward and backward, which is expensive...however, checking the validity of the chain section sequence, and the blocks/transactions within them is quick and simple once you have it. Thus clients can validate blocks to be legitimate rapidly. Its not a hash based proof of work at all, but its still proof of work :) Good luck with yours, when I have some more time (as we are rapidly approaching launch) I'll have a better read of what you propose. EDIT: To clarify, when I say expensive, this is still many orders of magnitude less wasteful than SHA or Scrypt hashing algorithms, and just as secure. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: TheSwede75 on June 29, 2013, 05:32:35 AM reserved how does this help cpu mine that is agaisnt botnets which may be just directed at the coin could I suggest a silent release of the complied qt client, to those who have over x amount of PPC or were registered on the PPC forum before a certain date, this shows people who are at least dedicated to PPC/ your projects. Eg the day after I purchased BTC I went around buying up PPC! If i understand PrimeCoin may act as a bridge to PPC but I don't understand it the hash rate away from BTC idea, see the overall hash available is increasing, so even if the pie is smaller for BTC this does not make it more vulnerable, also with asics now rolling out and by far the majority of new coins being scrypt his is even less an issue though that could change when everything that produces heat mines as well on that point, it maybe that all heating elements mine eventually kind of putting a floor under the nergy usage as you were going to it anyway. Imagine the amount of power a hot water element pulls, and could be directed at mining as well. Would I like my hot water element to be makieng me btc or some otehr CC, why not! Cause as we all know, there are absolutely no botnet operators on ppc forum. . Nice try Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: billotronic on June 29, 2013, 05:40:54 AM reserved how does this help cpu mine that is agaisnt botnets which may be just directed at the coin could I suggest a silent release of the complied qt client, to those who have over x amount of PPC or were registered on the PPC forum before a certain date, this shows people who are at least dedicated to PPC/ your projects. Eg the day after I purchased BTC I went around buying up PPC! If i understand PrimeCoin may act as a bridge to PPC but I don't understand it the hash rate away from BTC idea, see the overall hash available is increasing, so even if the pie is smaller for BTC this does not make it more vulnerable, also with asics now rolling out and by far the majority of new coins being scrypt his is even less an issue though that could change when everything that produces heat mines as well on that point, it maybe that all heating elements mine eventually kind of putting a floor under the nergy usage as you were going to it anyway. Imagine the amount of power a hot water element pulls, and could be directed at mining as well. Would I like my hot water element to be makieng me btc or some otehr CC, why not! Cause as we all know, there are absolutely no botnet operators on ppc forum. . Nice try lol duh! they are on the btce troll box with the rest of us loons! Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: forsetifox on June 29, 2013, 05:52:37 AM Watching this.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: NickCoin on June 29, 2013, 06:11:44 AM Would be interesting to see how this is received by crypto community.
As far as I'm concerned though, the days of pure POW single block chain hashing structure is numbered. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mullick on June 29, 2013, 06:35:21 AM Wow Looks like your set to do it again. Thank you for bringing real innovation back to crypto
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: jubalix on June 29, 2013, 07:11:52 AM reserved how does this help cpu mine that is agaisnt botnets which may be just directed at the coin could I suggest a silent release of the complied qt client, to those who have over x amount of PPC or were registered on the PPC forum before a certain date, this shows people who are at least dedicated to PPC/ your projects. Eg the day after I purchased BTC I went around buying up PPC! If i understand PrimeCoin may act as a bridge to PPC but I don't understand it the hash rate away from BTC idea, see the overall hash available is increasing, so even if the pie is smaller for BTC this does not make it more vulnerable, also with asics now rolling out and by far the majority of new coins being scrypt his is even less an issue though that could change when everything that produces heat mines as well on that point, it maybe that all heating elements mine eventually kind of putting a floor under the nergy usage as you were going to it anyway. Imagine the amount of power a hot water element pulls, and could be directed at mining as well. Would I like my hot water element to be makieng me btc or some otehr CC, why not! Cause as we all know, there are absolutely no botnet operators on ppc forum. . Nice try well ok, true, but I think there would be less! maybe, than at large! or rather capture a better selection of no botnet as many botents would then not be able to participate Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: paulthetafy on June 29, 2013, 07:51:43 AM Reserved, looks good!
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: r3wt on June 29, 2013, 07:56:20 AM so i just got off the phone with satoshi. he's coming out of retirement to mine this coin.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: TheSwede75 on June 29, 2013, 12:44:45 PM I hear Jesus is planning a second coming to GPU mine this coin.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Boing7898 on June 29, 2013, 01:22:32 PM Looking good! Good luck with this.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mr_random on June 29, 2013, 01:25:18 PM Maybe I have missed something new among the sea of clones, but who is the first non-hashcash proof-of-work that you are referring to? Some API would be preserved some would be impacted, especially those mining related. Although I haven't looked into it yet the release is client wallet solo mining only. If I understand correctly, this will be the second non-hashcash crypto-currency to achieve beta. Looking forward to it. Will you provide backwards compatibility at the daemon for existing crypto currency infrastructures? (Similar RPC-JSON interface especially?) Will users be able to compile from source on release or are you just releasing the client wallet on launch day? I guess I am a little worried a troll will try and clone it if you release all the source on day 1. After a day or so it doesn't matter so much then. I am curious how you managed to get this to work... :) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: allbits on June 29, 2013, 01:59:02 PM Watching this.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: azwccc on June 29, 2013, 02:03:33 PM Interested in prime POW, any more detail? Just a little plz~
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: craslovell on June 29, 2013, 02:16:10 PM I will keep an eye on this one
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Snail2 on June 29, 2013, 02:16:25 PM Looks interesting. Maybe something like the SETI project could use some "hashing" power from this coin.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: tacotime on June 29, 2013, 03:14:06 PM Are you integrating GIMPS into a block chain? There would be a couple of problems with that I could foresee, namely that it takes an average of two years to find a new prime and that all new primes usually need to be independently verified (eg in 2003 when a new "prime" was found that ended up being factorable).
There are no real implementation details, so I'm curious. In the Mersenne prime format you could easily stick them somewhere in the block header. Edit: Apparently Gavin made a fork already of the same name https://github.com/primecoin/primecoin Doesn't look like he did much with it, though. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: drawingthesun on June 29, 2013, 04:35:43 PM A alt coin by a respected developer and with a totally unique proof of work scheme, this is going to be huge!
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: SpaceCadet on June 29, 2013, 04:39:52 PM Worth keeping an eye on - it's nice to see some real innovation and not another cut-and-paste! SIFCoin is another recent one that is also CPU only for now (though not as large a departure from the 'norm' as this might be).
Good luck, Sunny - I hope this is a winner for you (and the rest of us)! Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: amytheplanarshift on June 29, 2013, 04:52:06 PM Very interesting. Watching this closely.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sunny King on June 29, 2013, 07:13:01 PM Design paper would be available in a couple days.
That's my fork, not Gavin's ;) Source code will be uploaded at release time. Are you integrating GIMPS into a block chain? There would be a couple of problems with that I could foresee, namely that it takes an average of two years to find a new prime and that all new primes usually need to be independently verified (eg in 2003 when a new "prime" was found that ended up being factorable). There are no real implementation details, so I'm curious. In the Mersenne prime format you could easily stick them somewhere in the block header. Edit: Apparently Gavin made a fork already of the same name https://github.com/primecoin/primecoin Doesn't look like he did much with it, though. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: super3 on June 29, 2013, 10:23:05 PM Design paper would be available in a couple days. Will you have a website up for launch? I can throw up something like this http://elacoin.org/ (http://elacoin.org/) in an hour or two if you want.That's my fork, not Gavin's ;) Source code will be uploaded at release time. Are you integrating GIMPS into a block chain? There would be a couple of problems with that I could foresee, namely that it takes an average of two years to find a new prime and that all new primes usually need to be independently verified (eg in 2003 when a new "prime" was found that ended up being factorable). There are no real implementation details, so I'm curious. In the Mersenne prime format you could easily stick them somewhere in the block header. Edit: Apparently Gavin made a fork already of the same name https://github.com/primecoin/primecoin Doesn't look like he did much with it, though. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Joerii on June 29, 2013, 10:40:10 PM Reserved. Why on earth would you reserve the second post for yourself ? The bloody arrogance. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: TheSwede75 on June 29, 2013, 10:57:15 PM A alt coin by a respected developer and with a totally unique proof of work scheme, this is going to be huge! Cause we just neeeeeed more altcoins. Since, there just aren't enough... Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: super3 on June 29, 2013, 11:37:56 PM Reserved.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Vorksholk on June 29, 2013, 11:39:30 PM I'm very interested to see how pool mining will work. Maybe sending a list of tried values? Seems that could be abused...
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mullick on June 30, 2013, 08:45:32 AM A alt coin by a respected developer and with a totally unique proof of work scheme, this is going to be huge! Cause we just neeeeeed more altcoins. Since, there just aren't enough... We need more innovative alt coins. There have been none since ppc/ nmc in my opinion Sorry I forgot how innovative DGC and FTC are ::) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: romerun on June 30, 2013, 02:58:02 PM if it's just changing another way to do proof of work, it does not sound innovative to me, coz we already have sha256 and scrypt, and they are working just fine..
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: irritant on June 30, 2013, 03:13:46 PM if it's just changing another way to do proof of work, it does not sound innovative to me, coz we already have sha256 and scrypt, and they are working just fine.. and sha256 and scrypt offer scientific research results? I don't think so, there is the innovation, primecoin does something extra for the world to benefit Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: hyh on June 30, 2013, 11:49:57 PM Interesting... But it's still some proof-of-work.
Will Primecoin's blockchain have information about prime numbers? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: super3 on July 01, 2013, 12:15:50 AM Is the architecture so different that it would be difficult to use existing pool and mining software(well slightly modified of course)?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sunny King on July 01, 2013, 12:17:14 AM Interesting... But it's still some proof-of-work. Will Primecoin's blockchain have information about prime numbers? Yes. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sunny King on July 01, 2013, 12:41:17 AM Is the architecture so different that it would be difficult to use existing pool and mining software(well slightly modified of course)? Miners need to be written again. Existing SHA-256 and scrypt miners are useless for primecoin. Pool code may be reused mostly. Pool operators should decide whether to standardize on a mining API, or they can release their own mining software (open source or proprietary). I could see pools competing on better miners to maintain technical advantage. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: jlspartz on July 01, 2013, 03:43:04 AM Kudos to you sunny. I have a lot of respect for your work. I have many questions on this coin. I was wondering if there is some location where you can find more details about primecoin?
Some of the questions that come to mind are: 1. Seeing that distributed networks already search out prime numbers how could the incentive compete with say the 100k USD reward for finding the next prime. Primes have been found to over 17 million digits long now. The last one took over 4 years to find. Is the payout going to be per prime or per number tried for prime with a conclusive answer? 2. How do you keep the blockchain to a decent length and verification times down? 3. If the numbers are already found, is there a second layer of verification of actual work? It other words, what stops a person from sniffing a completed block being transferred back and compiling their own packets to be sent back using the already known prime for the current block number that its currently on and stealing all coins? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sunny King on July 01, 2013, 03:53:40 AM Yes I know some of you are curious as to how the proof-of-work is designed. Obviously it's not trivial and took me months to get it into decent shape ;) I am in the process of preparing the final design paper so hopefully in a few days you will have your answers. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: coblee on July 01, 2013, 04:15:34 AM SunnyKing, I'm looking forward to your design. I'm very interested to know how you managed to come up with a PoW that also finds prime numbers... if that is indeed the design. Would be great if you managed to keep it decentralized.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: super3 on July 01, 2013, 04:38:05 AM Kudos to you sunny. I have a lot of respect for your work. I have many questions on this coin. I was wondering if there is some location where you can find more details about primecoin? I would be interesting to see someone do some speculation calculations about how fast you can find primes when the whitepaper is actually released. The Bitcoin network is bigger than all of the worlds super computer combined, then again its only able to do hashing. By implementing a PoW that actually has some inherent value with the computational power, you basically get a nice 2:1 deal. I wonder how much hashing power you would actually need to hit one of the EFF Prizes: https://www.eff.org/awards/coopSome of the questions that come to mind are: 1. Seeing that distributed networks already search out prime numbers how could the incentive compete with say the 100k USD reward for finding the next prime. Primes have been found to over 17 million digits long now. The last one took over 4 years to find. Is the payout going to be per prime or per number tried for prime with a conclusive answer? 2. How do you keep the blockchain to a decent length and verification times down? 3. If the numbers are already found, is there a second layer of verification of actual work? It other words, what stops a person from sniffing a completed block being transferred back and compiling their own packets to be sent back using the already known prime for the current block number that its currently on and stealing all coins? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on July 01, 2013, 05:53:13 AM Any centralized checkpoints? If yes, not interested.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: com911 on July 01, 2013, 06:13:59 AM At last, something useful incoming, not just punp'n'dump! :D
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Luckybit on July 01, 2013, 06:26:08 AM I am happy to announce that the primecoin project is now close to beta quality and will be released to public soon. Please keep in mind this is experimental technology and we reserve the rights to rollback or restart the blockchain should severe bug/vulnerability require such actions. However we would try our best to avoid such scenarios and further develop it into reliable public infrastructure. Introducing primecoin
ppcoin + primecoin
ppcoin vs primecoin
Release Schedule Primecoin release is tentatively scheduled for 2013 July 7th 18:00 UTC 1. How will you prevent people from insta-mining this coin with Amazon EC2? 2. Why would someone stop mining PPcoin to mine Primecoin if they only have a single CPU and it's guaranteed to be insta-mined by people with Amazon EC2 or people with hundreds of CPUs in the form of server racks? 3. Can you confirm that you are not Satoshi Nakamoto? I think to launch this coin there needs to be a mining pool or hashing service that people can buy into (Other than Amazon EC2) otherwise wouldn't the difficulty skyrocket within a few days and people left with just an ordinary or even a multi core CPU be left in the dust? I think the prime idea is so obvious that I wonder why no one thought of it sooner. I guess I will have to wait for the whitepaper. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ig0tik3d on July 01, 2013, 07:45:47 AM http://www.mersenne.org/
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: digicoin on July 01, 2013, 02:57:10 PM I want to see the whitepaper first. The announcement contains too little details on what the currency offers
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Guido on July 01, 2013, 03:00:29 PM watching with interest
so, 7th july will try and remember Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Guido on July 01, 2013, 03:27:16 PM I take it, it's forked? same as others
also any indication how many coins will be minted? 80 million? 320 million? unlimited?(unlimited always bad imo) will it be capped? will it be opensource? thanks Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: nmersulypnem on July 01, 2013, 03:51:47 PM Looks interesting. Maybe something like the SETI project could use some "hashing" power from this coin. Find Aliens, get all the money! Or it could connect with BOINC - cure cancer drug - get money! ...but in all seriousness, I do wonder if some sort of protein folding calculations can be done instead of the primes calculations. Protein folding is in serious need of computing, and can save lives. I guess the problem is that the calculations are not unpredictable. :( Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: nmersulypnem on July 01, 2013, 03:55:51 PM http://www.mersenne.org/ Wouldn't it be better to look for any prime? Why restrict it to Mersenne primes? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mokimarket on July 01, 2013, 04:00:33 PM So SunnyKing? I guess my idea wasn't so crazy after all? Will proof of work look similar to this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166218.msg1734858#msg1734858 Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: BestBidder25 on July 01, 2013, 04:01:45 PM Please don't release any new coins.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sahtor on July 01, 2013, 04:08:17 PM I papernpenmined PoW == 3 where's my reward?
I'm very excited about this one. Good luck. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: nmersulypnem on July 01, 2013, 04:39:25 PM Anyone want to play devil's advocate? What are the down-sides?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: tacotime on July 01, 2013, 04:42:23 PM Anyone want to play devil's advocate? What are the down-sides? Similar to PPCoin, the chain will be checkpointed such that anyone acting maliciously on the chain will be overridden by Sunny Coin (completely centralized). The new PoW scheme may have yet unforeseen vulnerabilities, also like PPCoin. This isn't really a problem because of the sentence above, but it depends on how comfortable you feel using a chain that is essentially controlled by a single person. Of course, you can always fork the chain and make a version without the continuous checkpointing, too. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sunny King on July 01, 2013, 05:24:51 PM Okay let me clarify how checkpoints are managed in primecoin.
Many of you know that in ppcoin we introduced a centrally broadcasted checkpoint system, to protect ppcoin network before it's mature. Some would call this system 'complete centralization' but this is very misleading. Even in ppcoin's checkpoint system a lot of measures have been taken such that if there are issues with the checkpoints the network cannot be significantly impacted. Consistency of checkpoints are checked by every node such that the checkpoint system cannot be used for double spending attack once a transaction is confirmed beyond a checkpoint. In primecoin a similar checkpoint system is present, but it's user enabled, and by default not enforced. So without threats of 51% attack the system is actually dormant. This system is a very useful defense against sustained 51% attack. In fact I think this is a more responsible approach and I believe many altcoins should adopt this system. As recent events show, 51% attack is a reality for altcoin community. To claim otherwise is disingenuous at best. For those of you worried about my central power, the system present in primecoin is actually not much more centralized than the hard checkpoints in source code (i.e. bitcoin's checkpoints). If you don't manually turn it on, it's just like you don't upgrade to the new versions of the client with a new hard checkpoint. But this system allows a more rapid and effective response of the network against 51% attacker. This mode of the checkpoint system will also be the way ppcoin operates its checkpoints in the future. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: tacotime on July 01, 2013, 05:29:11 PM So your new method for Primecoin is just leaving the checkpointing system in place but disabled, and then letting the users turn it on if you think there's the possibility of a 51% attack?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mr_random on July 01, 2013, 05:31:43 PM So your new method for Primecoin is just leaving the checkpointing system in place but disabled, and then letting the users turn it on if you think there's the possibility of a 51% attack? In primecoin a similar checkpoint system is present, but it's user enabled, and by default not enforced. So without threats of 51% attack the system is actually dormant. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Online24o0n on July 01, 2013, 06:03:01 PM Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Guido on July 01, 2013, 06:06:26 PM Sunny would you be able to address questions in post 77
thanks Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sunny King on July 01, 2013, 06:22:48 PM Money supply is not capped. Scarcity is ensured by Moore's Law similar to ppcoin's design. This doesn't necessarily mean it's high inflation compared to other coins.
See d5000's excellent study on inflation speed in cryptocurrency: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227395.0 Even though ppcoin does not have cap, it's inflation speed is currently lowest among all altcoins. Money supply is scaled at similar level to ppcoin and litecoin. I take it, it's forked? same as others also any indication how many coins will be minted? 80 million? 320 million? unlimited?(unlimited always bad imo) will it be capped? will it be opensource? thanks Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: gatra on July 01, 2013, 06:44:14 PM damn!
I've been working in a prime-finding proof of work and I'm currently testing my difficulty adjustment algorithm. Also, I have plans for pool software too. How did you solve that? I wonder if your ideas are similiar, and I'm looking forward to seeing you paper. PM if you're interested in sharing ideas. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: CryptoBullion on July 01, 2013, 06:49:26 PM approved! stamp it and release that bad boy!!!
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: nmersulypnem on July 01, 2013, 06:50:50 PM Money supply is not capped. Scarcity is ensured by Moore's Law similar to ppcoin's design. This doesn't necessarily mean it's high inflation compared to other coins. See d5000's excellent study on inflation speed in cryptocurrency: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227395.0 Even though ppcoin does not have cap, it's inflation speed is currently lowest among all altcoins. Money supply is scaled at similar level to ppcoin and litecoin. I take it, it's forked? same as others also any indication how many coins will be minted? 80 million? 320 million? unlimited?(unlimited always bad imo) will it be capped? will it be opensource? thanks Can you be more specific on the rate of inflation (coin minting)? PPC inflation is about 10% per year, which is pretty outrageous. It's not fair comparing it to BTC, since BTC has a fixed cap. If your time horizon is extended by a few years (like a 30yr t-bill would be) then BTC inflation rate is 0. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: CryptoBullion on July 01, 2013, 07:24:11 PM Money supply is not capped. Scarcity is ensured by Moore's Law similar to ppcoin's design. This doesn't necessarily mean it's high inflation compared to other coins. See d5000's excellent study on inflation speed in cryptocurrency: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227395.0 Even though ppcoin does not have cap, it's inflation speed is currently lowest among all altcoins. Money supply is scaled at similar level to ppcoin and litecoin. I take it, it's forked? same as others also any indication how many coins will be minted? 80 million? 320 million? unlimited?(unlimited always bad imo) will it be capped? will it be opensource? thanks Can you be more specific on the rate of inflation (coin minting)? people are going to go mine coins regardless of these attributes. look at all the copy cats with random values of coin caps people have been pulling out of their asses. yet people still mine the hell out of them. Im still LMFAO @ infinitecoin. what a waste of typing zeros to make a transaction. and you cant even trade the bastards on an exchange because the exchanges dont have a low enough .0000000000000001 input option to get people to trade. what a joke! so just let the man release the coin! gonna keep him busy all day replying to q & a like 1st grade show and tell. I formerly request op log out of bitcointalk and log into his github and go polish up this code :D i want a damn prime coin! neeeooowww! http://cdn0.meme.li/instances/300x300/39329485.jpg Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: tacotime on July 01, 2013, 07:27:01 PM So your new method for Primecoin is just leaving the checkpointing system in place but disabled, and then letting the users turn it on if you think there's the possibility of a 51% attack? In primecoin a similar checkpoint system is present, but it's user enabled, and by default not enforced. So without threats of 51% attack the system is actually dormant. Yes, I know, I just wanted to confirm I was following correctly. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: digit on July 01, 2013, 07:38:00 PM Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: fran2k on July 01, 2013, 09:04:33 PM I wonder how much hashing power you would actually need to hit one of the EFF Prizes: https://www.eff.org/awards/coop Nice. We should accept only primecoins as prize payment, that will be distributed into the network to the miners . :D Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: digicoin on July 01, 2013, 10:37:55 PM Interesting. @mokimarket is the first person who thinks of using prime number
However, it is better to see a whitepaper to explain in detail why prime number will work in a coin Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: azwccc on July 01, 2013, 10:53:03 PM I wonder how much hashing power you would actually need to hit one of the EFF Prizes: https://www.eff.org/awards/coop Nice. We should accept only primecoins as prize payment, that will be distributed into the network to the miners . :D Maybe a good way to integrated with PoS, but OP said it is pure PoW Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: super3 on July 01, 2013, 10:57:09 PM I wonder how much hashing power you would actually need to hit one of the EFF Prizes: https://www.eff.org/awards/coop Nice. We should accept only primecoins as prize payment, that will be distributed into the network to the miners . :D This is all speculation. We have no numbers right now. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: CryptoBullion on July 01, 2013, 11:04:55 PM I wonder how much hashing power you would actually need to hit one of the EFF Prizes: https://www.eff.org/awards/coop Nice. We should accept only primecoins as prize payment, that will be distributed into the network to the miners . :D The first research type coin to get released will be a big one. Remember the hype and controversy and log threads of comments when a couple people proposed curecoin and sciencecoin? this thread is at 2k views a week away from the proposed release date. I have a feeling this coin will actually be released since the basis of prime numbers should make a great proof of work. I know curecoin is in a choke hold for release largely due to the fact folding can be manipulated falsely. i guess that brings up a good question. since proof of work is based on prime numbers, whos to say i cant just copy the datastream going from someone who is already doing a lot of prime number research and duplicating / slightly altering it? Possibly a common problem in any type of "research coin" since some of the research is already done and can be copied and resubmitted..... i actually see a really big problem there since prime number work is already in large production... just copy work and resubmit? This has already been done against the folding network at stanford just for people to get points. when there is an incentive in the form of currency the amount of people trying to cheat the system will skyrocket. currently i doubt that is much of a problem on other prime number networks as the points / rankings they get are worthless. If people can mess with folding results then i bet prime results are probably even easier to mess with.... maybe op has some slick way to advert this but i dont see it being possible to fool proof it completely from cheating even if the primes get hashed according to dynamic values. hopefully im missing something there? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: CryptoBullion on July 01, 2013, 11:27:15 PM hrm just reread the op and glanced through the pages. hopefully i didnt just wreck op's idea with above questions. i dont really see any posted solutions to the usual and already existing ways of cheating research networks for points.
The curecoin team was all ready to release a coin until someone offered up some hard facts about how someone with good programming skills can copy and slightly alter results and resubmit them without doing the work. without any way to stop it there will probably never be a perfect system for a research coin. hopefully that changes soon. uhg i hope this is not a repeat because i was really bummed out enough when curecoin did not release. at least for prime numbers there is not centralized university creating the work that could be compromised. so even if people are cheating the system at least it wont damage an existing research project. cheating will make the coin near worthess though. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: willphase on July 02, 2013, 12:01:31 AM for a POW algorithm to be useful for blockchain verification it must be
- hard to derive (for transaction verifiers) - controllable difficulty (so as more nodes are added, the difficulty can rise) - easy to prove (for relaying nodes) hash algorithms are good here. An algorithm with primes sounds like it would be based around the factorising problem (e.g. as used in RSA) - but the question is how Sunny has designed it to be variable - perhaps the difficulty is set by the length of required prime in bits, and the POW is two primes and a factor that meet the difficulty. This would be very very ASICable compared with scrypt, but I don't think any off the shelf ASIC cores would exist (unlike with SHA256) Interested to see what Sunny has come up with here. Will Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: h2odysee on July 02, 2013, 12:16:59 AM It could be that the proof of work algorithm is something like:
Generate a prime number in the form: k * 256 ^ n + b where k is the merkle root + nonce, etc. Similar to how a prime number was generated that contains the DeCSS code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_prime) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: smoothie on July 02, 2013, 02:01:16 AM Any centralized checkpoints? If yes, not interested. This. Also any possible exploits that you are not going to mention publicly as you did when launching PPC and failed to mention it for 4 months? Although I respect your efforts in development, I do look at your track record from your first launch and how you failed to mention important details about an exploit that had not been fixed nor publicly discussed. I still believe in community development > secret development when it comes to cryptocoin networks. We all don't know it all but when we lean on each other for input we sharpen ourselves and in essence sharpen others. I just hope this isn't a repeat of PPC checkpoint and exploits. Edit: after reading the rest of the thread I retract my above statement regarding check pointing. Looks like sunny will allow users enable the check pointing which is an interesting approach. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: DigitalMan on July 02, 2013, 04:18:26 AM if it's just changing another way to do proof of work, it does not sound innovative to me, coz we already have sha256 and scrypt, and they are working just fine.. nice idea!!Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Vorksholk on July 02, 2013, 04:29:10 AM In response to questions about people able to cheat with the primes... maybe the coin would, for it's 'target', select a ever-decreasing numeric range for the search, placed at some arbitrary, very-high location. Of course, it's possible there would be no prime in that group, so perhaps after x amount of time a new target would be selected?
This does seem like a tricky proof-of-work implementation to create.. :( Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: punin on July 02, 2013, 06:49:39 AM Primecoin Bear anyone? (http://alpha61.com/primenumbershittingbear/)
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Rannasha on July 02, 2013, 07:02:20 AM for a POW algorithm to be useful for blockchain verification it must be - hard to derive (for transaction verifiers) - controllable difficulty (so as more nodes are added, the difficulty can rise) - easy to prove (for relaying nodes) hash algorithms are good here. An algorithm with primes sounds like it would be based around the factorising problem (e.g. as used in RSA) - but the question is how Sunny has designed it to be variable - perhaps the difficulty is set by the length of required prime in bits, and the POW is two primes and a factor that meet the difficulty. This would be very very ASICable compared with scrypt, but I don't think any off the shelf ASIC cores would exist (unlike with SHA256) Interested to see what Sunny has come up with here. Will There's an additional requirement: The POW solution must depend on the contents of the block that it is associated with. Changing the block should require the POW to be redone. Simply computing a big prime number is insufficient, as it is independent of the block contents. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: XertroV on July 02, 2013, 07:35:25 AM When I first heard about coins like curecoins where the proof of work is actually useful, the first thing that came to my mind is that the reason why hashing works is because hashing enforces that the block rewards goes to the person that found the hash. When the miner informs his peers of his block, his peers cannot steal his block. Whereas with a useful proof of work, the peers can just modify the block to make it seem like they found it. "Oh you found a prime that's this difficult and has these properties? Wait, I found the same exact one a minute earlier!" Granted I didn't spend too much time trying to figure out a way around it. Maybe there's a way to encode the the address of the person that found it in the prime. Looking forward to see what Sunny King came up with. IE: the content of the hash is dependent on the content of the block header which (because of the merkle root) ensures the coinbase pays the miner. It could be that the proof of work algorithm is something like: Generate a prime number in the form: k * 256 ^ n + b where k is the merkle root + nonce, etc. EG: k = blockheader (presumably prefixed or something to ensure consistent number of digits; as this will have some effect on the difficulty) That would be one way because the prime found would depend on (or rather part of it is) the blockheader. Similar to SHA256 you don't know if there's a solution with the particular blockheader you're using (so you have to search the space - well, if things are done 'right'). I was going to say verifying the prime is difficult; but it's not. Verification of primes can be done in polynomial time, so it's not so bad. Factorizing is the hard bit. So we can have quick to verify, contains the blockheader. The difficulty is easy to integrate; but unfortunately will have a negative effect on verification time (the only way to make prime generation more difficult is to make the primes bigger, so they take longer to verify). Remember that verification is part of the mining process, so there has to be few enough solutions out there to make looking for them harder to ensure consistent verification times; not sure how this will interact with this PoW style. So, issues I can see: overcoming the relationship between the difficulty and verification time (if there is one) and ensuring that there are few enough primes out there to find. The first means the difficulty should shrink the size of the acceptable solution pool (as opposed to making bigger numbers), and the second means arbitrary conditions will need to be chosen by which to define the solution pool. Anyway, curious to see how the PoW works, and as to why there hasn't been any info made open about it yet. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: hl5460 on July 02, 2013, 07:55:16 AM if it's just changing another way to do proof of work, it does not sound innovative to me, coz we already have sha256 and scrypt, and they are working just fine.. and sha256 and scrypt offer scientific research results? I don't think so, there is the innovation, primecoin does something extra for the world to benefit Good point. That's makes more sense to common people for they to accept and use cryptocurrency with ease. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: r3wt on July 02, 2013, 08:07:59 AM this is that big release we've all been waiting for. the headliner of 2013
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: digicoin on July 02, 2013, 12:34:37 PM this is that big release we've all been waiting for. the headliner of 2013 Why? You even don't know how and why this coin can work. I am a little bit skeptical Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: bittick on July 02, 2013, 03:06:08 PM untill there is a proven working concept - it is all just a hype. make it happen and then announce how awesome it is.
thank you! Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: nmersulypnem on July 02, 2013, 06:31:19 PM Does Primecoin PoW fairness assume that the distribution of Prime numbers is random? Hopefully not, because it's not really true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_number_theorem
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Xaltotun on July 02, 2013, 07:25:25 PM This sounds great! I'm looking forward to this Optimus Primecoin. Just beware of the Decepticoins.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: CryptoBullion on July 02, 2013, 08:24:39 PM this math is a bit above my head, but maybe this HOL is the way to create proof of work? it looks like it breaks the process of finding primes into smaller "proofs of work"? or is this just a way to find primes faster? maybe the steps leading to finding the prime can be used as pow if each step is recorded.
https://code.google.com/p/hol-light/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HOL_Light Still the first thing that comes to mind is rainbow tables(or even a dictionary type attack but with primes instead of passwords). Even if the proof of work gets hashed by the by value of block headers, something like a rainbow table would be a likely exploit. rainbow tables are used to crack wpa2 and probably other encryption too. A rainbow table for primes should work the same way. then the "miner" armed with the rainbow table would not even have to look for primes unless the prime number target to find a block increased to a prime so large it is unkown. difficulty of a prime can only be changed by looking for a larger unknown prime number. adding difficulty through any other method in the blockchain would just encourage a rainbow table type hack. One way this would "work" and be unhackable / uncheatable is if the blocks are only rewarded upon finding a completely new and unknown prime. This would make the coin VERY scarce, and the difficulty would be absolutely insane, but that would be pretty damn cool though too. Every coin/block awarded would be a breakthrough in prime number math. with the amount of hashing power the btc community has i would not doubt that we could find a large amount of new primes. If the object was to only find unknown primes, then any advancement that someone makes that would seem like a cheat would actually be a break though in prime number math. Same thing would have applied to folding if there were more incentive. The software that does the research always has room for improvement. Making sure that improvement is legitimate is the real trick. still , all pokes to the theory aside, i think this coin should be launched. i dont see any harm of it as long as people dont get too crazy about the new coin and use their life saving to buy a bunch of them. ( which probably happens to some poor dude trying to make a dollar every time a new alt comes out). After a first launch of the coin we can just kick back and watch and see if the exploits surface. If they do, well, then you have more knowledge for improving primecoin v2.0. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: flyingcat on July 03, 2013, 01:13:55 AM great idea, I like prime numbers, this is the prime number I found: 2232007*2^1490605 - 1, 448724 digits, lol
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: flyingcat on July 03, 2013, 01:17:01 AM great idea, I like prime numbers, this is the prime number I found: 2232007*2^1490605 - 1, 448724 digits, lol It would be great if we can integrate into the Mersenne prime search, which requires a lot computing powers. This way the miners will do something useful...http://www.mersenne.org/ Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: hashdice on July 03, 2013, 01:29:15 AM Sounds great,most innovative coin the year!
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: h2odysee on July 03, 2013, 01:41:19 PM It would be great if we can integrate into the Mersenne prime search, which requires a lot computing powers. This way the miners will do something useful... http://www.mersenne.org/ It can't use mersenne primes, unless you want only a block per year. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: justabitoftime on July 03, 2013, 02:16:38 PM A alt coin by a respected developer and with a totally unique proof of work scheme, this is going to be huge! Cause we just neeeeeed more altcoins. Since, there just aren't enough... We need more innovative alt coins. There have been none since ppc/ nmc in my opinion Sorry I forgot how innovative DGC and FTC are ::) How cute, an FTC swipe. You do realize Sunny contributed a little code on the FTC hard fork right? Anyway, back to Primecoin. I deeply respect Sunny's work and commitment to the community. If more people spent time contributing and less time swiping, we'd be in a far different place. This project is exciting, I'm interested to see what where the community takes this project. +1 Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: karsy on July 03, 2013, 02:21:18 PM
What kind of scientific value? I believe he is referring to finding high number prime numbers. Which actually can be quite difficult. Since the spacing of each prime number increases exponentially. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: gatra on July 03, 2013, 02:34:51 PM
What kind of scientific value? I believe he is referring to finding high number prime numbers. Which actually can be quite difficult. Since the spacing of each prime number increases exponentially. FTFY Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: learnmore on July 03, 2013, 02:55:39 PM I am curious as to why the innovative POW in Primecoin couldn't have been engineered into the the next version of PPcoin. I feel that the chain is still young enough to allow for such major paradigm shifts even if there had to be some massive POS transaction into the new PP(Prime)Coin version.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: fenican on July 03, 2013, 03:03:53 PM Hard to get excited about a CPU proof of work coin. How will you defend against botnets ?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Boing7898 on July 03, 2013, 03:14:29 PM Hard to get excited about a CPU proof of work coin. How will you defend against botnets ? Botnets can be used to mine with CPU as much as they can used to mine with GPUs.Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Boing7898 on July 03, 2013, 03:25:31 PM Botnets can be used to mine with CPU as much as they can used to mine with GPUs. Botnets are on computers of non-tech-savvy users, i.e. usually no or crappy GPU.Most "silent miners" offer GPU mining too nowadays. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: monocolor on July 03, 2013, 03:46:37 PM It would be great if we can integrate into the Mersenne prime search, which requires a lot computing powers. This way the miners will do something useful... http://www.mersenne.org/ It can't use mersenne primes, unless you want only a block per year. This is not true, one mersenne computation is broken down to many smaller pieces, can be perfectly integrated Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: someone42 on July 03, 2013, 04:53:04 PM for a POW algorithm to be useful for blockchain verification it must be - hard to derive (for transaction verifiers) - controllable difficulty (so as more nodes are added, the difficulty can rise) - easy to prove (for relaying nodes) hash algorithms are good here. An algorithm with primes sounds like it would be based around the factorising problem (e.g. as used in RSA) - but the question is how Sunny has designed it to be variable - perhaps the difficulty is set by the length of required prime in bits, and the POW is two primes and a factor that meet the difficulty. This would be very very ASICable compared with scrypt, but I don't think any off the shelf ASIC cores would exist (unlike with SHA256) Interested to see what Sunny has come up with here. Will Here is something which might work. It is based on Pratt certificates (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_certificate). Mining process The miner attempts to find a large prime n which has the following properties:
Proof of work To generate the proof of work, the miner generates a Pratt certificate for their large prime n. Generation of a Pratt certificate is very hard; it requires the factorisation of n - 1, which is requires exponential time in the size of n. Yet it is easy to verify a Pratt certificate; verification is polynomial time in the size of n. For example, factorisation of a 1024 bit integer is about 7 million times as difficult as a 512 bit integer (according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_number_field_sieve), yet it is only 16 times as difficult to verify. This meets the criteria for a useful proof-of-work: hard to generate, easy to verify, adjustable difficulty and incorporates the merkle root. Mining pools are more complicated to implement, since integer factorisation is not as trivially parallellisable as hashcash. This might explain why the initial client is solo-mine only. It also has the property of being sensitive to improvements in factorisation algorithms. This makes it somewhat resistant to ASICs, since algorithm improvements may invalidate ASIC designs, so ASIC developers may not wish to take on the risk. (Edit: linear -> polynomial) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mokimarket on July 03, 2013, 06:57:33 PM for a POW algorithm to be useful for blockchain verification it must be - hard to derive (for transaction verifiers) - controllable difficulty (so as more nodes are added, the difficulty can rise) - easy to prove (for relaying nodes) hash algorithms are good here. An algorithm with primes sounds like it would be based around the factorising problem (e.g. as used in RSA) - but the question is how Sunny has designed it to be variable - perhaps the difficulty is set by the length of required prime in bits, and the POW is two primes and a factor that meet the difficulty. This would be very very ASICable compared with scrypt, but I don't think any off the shelf ASIC cores would exist (unlike with SHA256) Interested to see what Sunny has come up with here. Will Here is something which might work. It is based on Pratt certificates (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_certificate). Mining process The miner attempts to find a large prime n which has the following properties:
Proof of work To generate the proof of work, the miner generates a Pratt certificate for their large prime n. Generation of a Pratt certificate is very hard; it requires the factorisation of n - 1, which is requires exponential time in the size of n. Yet it is easy to verify a Pratt certificate; verification is polynomial time in the size of n. For example, factorisation of a 1024 bit integer is about 7 million times as difficult as a 512 bit integer (according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_number_field_sieve), yet it is only 16 times as difficult to verify. This meets the criteria for a useful proof-of-work: hard to generate, easy to verify, adjustable difficulty and incorporates the merkle root. Mining pools are more complicated to implement, since integer factorisation is not as trivially parallellisable as hashcash. This might explain why the initial client is solo-mine only. It also has the property of being sensitive to improvements in factorisation algorithms. This makes it somewhat resistant to ASICs, since algorithm improvements may invalidate ASIC designs, so ASIC developers may not wish to take on the risk. (Edit: linear -> polynomial) I'm very excited about this coin. Finally something that will actually have real value. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mokimarket on July 03, 2013, 08:02:37 PM Finally something that will actually have real value. I wouldn't go that far.I know not yet. But I would like to see a proof of work linked to something like finding new primes and this project is the closest I've seen. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Charles999 on July 03, 2013, 11:02:26 PM Can we use CGMIner for this coin?? And what version.. The CPU only or the GPU??
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ivanlabrie on July 03, 2013, 11:24:17 PM Not for now Charles...cpu only mining via wallet at launch.
Should be fairly interesting, I have high hopes in this and eMunies/Microcash. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: gatra on July 04, 2013, 02:33:11 PM Finally something that will actually have real value. I wouldn't go that far.I know not yet. But I would like to see a proof of work linked to something like finding new primes and this project is the closest I've seen. but we haven't seen anything yet! please give more details on what this project is about Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: fran2k on July 04, 2013, 04:13:24 PM So much expectation :D
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: yaffare on July 04, 2013, 05:48:56 PM Why do you people waste your time with stuff like that?
If you spend all your time on improving bitcoin, that would really help. What does a different proof of work change? - it does not change that transactions have to be collected in a block - it does not change that you have to wait for x confirmations - it does not change that blocks have to broadcasted - it does not change .. anything Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Tribex1301 on July 04, 2013, 06:11:32 PM Well done Sunny, I am looking forward which results will bring this new step.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Loktera on July 04, 2013, 09:57:28 PM Why do you people waste your time with stuff like that? If you spend all your time on improving bitcoin, that would really help. What does a different proof of work change? - it does not change that transactions have to be collected in a block - it does not change that you have to wait for x confirmations - it does not change that blocks have to broadcasted - it does not change .. anything Traditional PoW methods are quite wasteful of our energy resources. We need a solution that either reduces energy consumption massively, or at least puts the energy to more use than just maintaining a blockchain. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 04, 2013, 10:20:18 PM Well this is rather interesting time to use some supercomputers to fast mine all of this ::)
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Bigcheezit210 on July 05, 2013, 02:57:32 AM Will be waiting for Primecoin to launch, I am definitely interested in this coin.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: romerun on July 05, 2013, 03:16:34 AM True, but is finding prime really important to the world if everyone keeps running this til the next century ? At the end, it's just another scheme of coin distribution. Prime might be cool in 1920, now it's quite yawn. If it's like trying to find new patterns in human gnome or something I would approve.
Why do you people waste your time with stuff like that? If you spend all your time on improving bitcoin, that would really help. What does a different proof of work change? - it does not change that transactions have to be collected in a block - it does not change that you have to wait for x confirmations - it does not change that blocks have to broadcasted - it does not change .. anything Traditional PoW methods are quite wasteful of our energy resources. We need a solution that either reduces energy consumption massively, or at least puts the energy to more use than just maintaining a blockchain. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: jlspartz on July 05, 2013, 04:34:09 AM I would urge that if this project is to be scientifically significant, you do a payout per number tried starting in mainly mersenne prime territory (in the millions of digits). My reasoning is that searching numbers from the beginning would just be validation of currently known primes and if payout were per prime the gain in research will not exist since people won't continue when in takes many years to find one, unless the payout increases and divides among everyone involved, but then huge chunks of currency would be released all at once devaluing it. Therefore, for research it would be best starting where needed and paid out per number tried.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: calian on July 05, 2013, 07:36:56 AM I would urge that if this project is to be scientifically significant, you do a payout per number tried starting in mainly mersenne prime territory (in the millions of digits). My reasoning is that searching numbers from the beginning would just be validation of currently known primes and if payout were per prime the gain in research will not exist since people won't continue when in takes many years to find one, unless the payout increases and divides among everyone involved, but then huge chunks of currency would be released all at once devaluing it. Therefore, for research it would be best starting where needed and paid out per number tried. He'll have to start in uncharted territory. Otherwise some smart aleck could just go look up all the known primes and generate a huge string of blocks for himself. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: calian on July 05, 2013, 07:38:39 AM Why do you people waste your time with stuff like that? If you spend all your time on improving bitcoin, that would really help. What does a different proof of work change? - it does not change that transactions have to be collected in a block - it does not change that you have to wait for x confirmations - it does not change that blocks have to broadcasted - it does not change .. anything Traditional PoW methods are quite wasteful of our energy resources. We need a solution that either reduces energy consumption massively, or at least puts the energy to more use than just maintaining a blockchain. If you hadn't heard, Sunny King developed a potential solution to this several months back. http://ppcoin.org/ http://ppcoin.org/static/ppcoin-paper.pdf Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: dadaguo on July 05, 2013, 04:22:37 PM I will keep an eye on this~~
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Luckybit on July 05, 2013, 04:40:58 PM I am happy to announce that the primecoin project is now close to beta quality and will be released to public soon. Please keep in mind this is experimental technology and we reserve the rights to rollback or restart the blockchain should severe bug/vulnerability require such actions. However we would try our best to avoid such scenarios and further develop it into reliable public infrastructure. Introducing primecoin
ppcoin + primecoin
ppcoin vs primecoin
Release Schedule Primecoin release is tentatively scheduled for 2013 July 7th 18:00 UTC When an exchange is made will someone allow me to purchase PPcoin with Primecoin? I think this is critical so whoever is making the exchanges, we will need this ability to exchange back and forth between PPcoin and Primecoin because many of us are going to be mining one or the other but not both. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Loktera on July 05, 2013, 04:50:11 PM Why do you people waste your time with stuff like that? If you spend all your time on improving bitcoin, that would really help. What does a different proof of work change? - it does not change that transactions have to be collected in a block - it does not change that you have to wait for x confirmations - it does not change that blocks have to broadcasted - it does not change .. anything Traditional PoW methods are quite wasteful of our energy resources. We need a solution that either reduces energy consumption massively, or at least puts the energy to more use than just maintaining a blockchain. If you hadn't heard, Sunny King developed a potential solution to this several months back. http://ppcoin.org/ http://ppcoin.org/static/ppcoin-paper.pdf Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: lishbtc on July 06, 2013, 08:34:12 AM Any updates on this Sunny? Still planning to launch? Really interested to see some detail on how the prime PoW functions...
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ripper234 on July 06, 2013, 08:36:44 AM Release Schedule Primecoin release is tentatively scheduled for 2013 July 7th 18:00 UTC Why are we so close to the release date and still not enough details have been released yet? They key missing ingredient right now is something that would convince us that Primecoin does indeed "do useful work", being the key feature. BTW, I love your work at PPCoin, and am excited to see Primecoin launched. Just two days ago a friend asked me if there's a way to design a Bitcoin fork that does useful work, and I arrogantly gave him my standard answer that "there are strong theoretical reasons to believe it can't be done" ... and then 20 minutes later I found this thread. Glad to be proven wrong. Why not follow a release schedule like coblee did with Litecoin, where the client was released ahead of time to let people install & test it, and the release itself consisted of simply releasing a config value? P.S. I refer you to the alt-chain release RFC (https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Alt-chain_release_RFC&oldid=39117) that I wrote almost 1.5 years ago. I can't say that it was adopted in any way whatsoever by the authors of alt-coins, but perhaps it should. (It's up for editing of course) Anyway, good lunch with the launch. I'll be mining and am also interesting to purchase some. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sunny King on July 06, 2013, 12:07:56 PM Ron, it's an issue of innovators vs copycats. There is good reason your proposed release process is not followed by us, neither by any copycat altcoins.
As far as I am concerned, I don't mind other people copying our work, but the ethics in the altcoin development community is questionable, most copycats don't give credit to original authors, not even following basic things like displaying proper copyrights in the client, sometimes even touted the innovations as their own. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ripper234 on July 06, 2013, 12:11:09 PM Ron, it's an issue of innovators vs copycats. There is good reason your proposed release process is not followed by us, neither by any copycat altcoins. As far as I am concerned, I don't mind other people copying our work, but the ethics in the altcoin development community is questionable, most copycats don't give credit to original authors, not even following basic things like displaying proper copyrights in the client, sometimes even touted the innovations as their own. You replied only to my P.S :) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sunny King on July 06, 2013, 12:17:37 PM Update:
Release builds are being prepared. Design paper would be available by tomorrow. Release is still on schedule for tomorrow. 2013-07-07 18:00 UTC Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 06, 2013, 01:09:18 PM Update: Yes :me gusta:Release builds are being prepared. Design paper would be available by tomorrow. Release is still on schedule for tomorrow. 2013-07-07 18:00 UTC CPU mining ftw. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Buffer Overflow on July 06, 2013, 03:15:47 PM Why not follow a release schedule like coblee did with Litecoin, where the client was released ahead of time to let people install & test it, and the release itself consisted of simply releasing a config value? I'm not sure if that system would work nowadays. Some twat would make their own genesis block and start the chain prematurely. The genuine chain would then start causing all sorts of confusion. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ripper234 on July 06, 2013, 03:19:12 PM Why not follow a release schedule like coblee did with Litecoin, where the client was released ahead of time to let people install & test it, and the release itself consisted of simply releasing a config value? I'm not sure if that system would work nowadays. Some twat would make their own genesis block and start the chain prematurely. The genuine chain would then start causing all sorts of confusion. There would still be an official chain. People will want to use the real one, and it's easy to recognize which is real and which is fake. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Buffer Overflow on July 06, 2013, 03:23:27 PM Why not follow a release schedule like coblee did with Litecoin, where the client was released ahead of time to let people install & test it, and the release itself consisted of simply releasing a config value? I'm not sure if that system would work nowadays. Some twat would make their own genesis block and start the chain prematurely. The genuine chain would then start causing all sorts of confusion. There would still be an official chain. People will want to use the real one, and it's easy to recognize which is real and which is fake. This is true. I am only guessing. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: eCoinomist on July 06, 2013, 04:33:17 PM Why do you people waste your time with stuff like that? => it makes some richer ;)If you spend all your time on improving bitcoin, that would really help. What does a different proof of work change? - it does not change that transactions have to be collected in a block - it does not change that you have to wait for x confirmations - it does not change that blocks have to broadcasted - it does not change .. anything Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Vorksholk on July 06, 2013, 08:00:00 PM 22 hours :D
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: gatra on July 06, 2013, 08:01:28 PM B506CDC2768418A0E7ECBECB88A4BEEF0712010F7D4E4984E64BEC113BEF0A5928FCCD8F8DA4720 377A7D579C87D08F7206B8097ECF90DB0E443CC0DA8A03EDB
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mr_random on July 06, 2013, 08:06:15 PM Sunny will there be a windows client ready at launch?
Looking forward to this one. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sunny King on July 06, 2013, 08:12:05 PM Yes Windows and Linux builds will be available at release time, with Qt support, just like ppcoin v0.3.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mr_random on July 06, 2013, 08:21:33 PM Yes Windows and Linux builds will be available at release time, with Qt support, just like ppcoin v0.3. Sweet. Bring on tomorrow night! Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: XertroV on July 06, 2013, 10:32:51 PM Why not follow a release schedule like coblee did with Litecoin, where the client was released ahead of time to let people install & test it, and the release itself consisted of simply releasing a config value? I'm not sure if that system would work nowadays. Some twat would make their own genesis block and start the chain prematurely. The genuine chain would then start causing all sorts of confusion. There would still be an official chain. People will want to use the real one, and it's easy to recognize which is real and which is fake. This is true. I am only guessing. The genesis block hash is hardcoded into the client. You can't just make your own genesis block and have people accept it. They'd need to recompile. The idea of releasing the client then the IP of a node with the valid genesis block should work just as well; that way everyone has the hash already and you just release the block, as such. Once one person has it in the entire altcoin network it will flood through and people will start mining. One idea to help launch might be to have a network rule that block 1 has to have an output from the only tx in block 0 (the genesis block). Bitcoin can't do this because the coinbase tx of the genesis block can't be spent because of something weird in the way bitcoin-qt/d stores and processes transactions (I think..), but it's theoretically possible. This way, you ensure that the creator can start the mining process with a transaction, and not the genesis block. This means the genesis block can be produced early and allow everyone to get a good binary with the genesis block hash, and still provide a controlled launch. Again, this issue only exists because the genesis block hash pretty much *must* be hardcoded. That is, after all, ultimately what identifies chains, as no two genesis blocks can be the same for completely unique chains. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: zackclark70 on July 06, 2013, 10:36:05 PM Yes Windows and Linux builds will be available at release time, with Qt support, just like ppcoin v0.3. please can you do a fair launch ( encrypt the whole file with 256 by encryption with a good password and give people a couple of days to download it before the coin is released when its time to release the coin just post up the password to the file :) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: XertroV on July 06, 2013, 10:44:06 PM Yes Windows and Linux builds will be available at release time, with Qt support, just like ppcoin v0.3. please can you do a fair launch ( encrypt the whole file with 256 by encryption with a good password and give people a couple of days to download it before the coin is released when its time to release the coin just post up the password to the file :) This isn't necessary, see my above post (now expanded). Apologies if it's a little ramble-y. Ideally you want everyone running the software, ready to go, then the genesis block (or the 'start' catalyst) is released, and away people go. Passwords and encryption seem like a long way to go when you could just run the client and have it work automagically. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: zackclark70 on July 06, 2013, 10:46:57 PM thanks that will work also :) please announce the coin on altcointalk.co.uk
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: jubalix on July 06, 2013, 11:42:20 PM this will all be on
https://github.com/primecoin/primecoin today? [I'm on the 7th here already] exciting times....I no I will mine and get 0 Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: 3nrg on July 07, 2013, 12:12:01 AM Sunnyking seems to have excellent ideas, looking forward to tomorrow.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mr_random on July 07, 2013, 01:03:33 AM this will all be on https://github.com/primecoin/primecoin today? [I'm on the 7th here already] exciting times....I no I will mine and get 0 Hopefully Sunny releases the clients before updating that source code publicly :) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: drawingthesun on July 07, 2013, 04:43:28 AM How many hours to go?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sunny King on July 07, 2013, 05:32:37 AM Update:
Design paper is now published at: http://ppcoin.org/static/primecoin-paper.pdf Release builds completed. Release is on schedule. Release builds will be published at the exact proposed release time: 2013 July 07 18:00 UTC Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: willphase on July 07, 2013, 05:45:19 AM Update: Design paper is now published at: http://ppcoin.org/static/primecoin-paper.pdf by encouraging the use of a sieve instead of a nonce, doesn't this encourage miners to generate a block header once, and then mine on this single block header - meaning that they are disincentivised to accept new transactions once they have started work on their solution. This will surely mean that transactions will take longer to confirm, as miners are more likely to solve a block by not accepting new transactions. The corollary of this argument is that fees will have to be higher with primecoin to justify miners aborting their work to insert a new transaction. Will Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sunny King on July 07, 2013, 05:58:53 AM by encouraging the use of a sieve instead of a nonce, doesn't this encourage miners to generate a block header once, and then mine on this single block header - meaning that they are disincentivised to accept new transactions once they have started work on their solution. This will surely mean that transactions will take longer to confirm, as miners are more likely to solve a block by not accepting new transactions. Note block spacing target is 1 minute. Even if a miner would like to delay refreshing block candidate to improve sieve efficiency, it must refresh when a new block is announced on network. So the delay on transaction processing is not more than 1 minute. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ripper234 on July 07, 2013, 06:01:36 AM Well-written paper.
Hmm, I guess I kind of assumed that the scientific community would somehow be able to direct what kind of problems are solved (e.g. SETI@Home). Primecoin is an important innovation, but less bombastic that what I imagined. Time will tell how the market values it. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: fran2k on July 07, 2013, 06:26:15 AM Great work. I would like to see in this new strain of cryptocoins a way for people to donate money into the network. For example if the EFF want to pay the 50kusd prize for the new Prime found, they can buy PrimeCoins and donate the coins to the network that will be added as extra to the common block rewards. Or something like that...
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ivanlabrie on July 07, 2013, 07:48:31 AM Great work. I would like to see in this new strain of cryptocoins a way for people to donate money into the network. For example if the EFF want to pay the 50kusd prize for the new Prime found, they can buy PrimeCoins and donate the coins to the network that will be distributed added to the common block rewards. Or something like that... That would be great! I'm excited :D Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Buffer Overflow on July 07, 2013, 08:09:05 AM Just read white paper, looking on with interest.
I think the community should come to some agreed consensus that if a new alt-coin is released from now on without a white paper, we should all ignore it. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: willphase on July 07, 2013, 08:28:08 AM I think the community should come to some agreed consensus that if a new alt-coin is released from now on without a white paper, we should all ignore it. Next alt coin to be released - toiletcoin! http://mikesflyingpigs.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/toilet-paper.jpg but seriously - good job on the coin, looking forward to more details being released e.g. the full details on the block schedule - number of coins per block, block time, difficulty adjustment rate etc etc. Will Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Boing7898 on July 07, 2013, 08:40:47 AM How about a nice countdown? ;D
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: heatgsm on July 07, 2013, 08:49:18 AM How about a nice countdown? ;D Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcwTitle: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Boing7898 on July 07, 2013, 08:50:48 AM How about a nice countdown? ;D Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcwTitle: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: FuzzyBear on July 07, 2013, 09:37:20 AM How about a nice countdown? ;D Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmSyzqoo17c&noredirect=1 Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: DigitalMan on July 07, 2013, 09:49:38 AM SO EXCITING!
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Remember remember the 5th of November on July 07, 2013, 10:00:24 AM Sunny King, great job. This coin WILL succeed, as will PPCoin.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: whlx on July 07, 2013, 10:01:08 AM where can we download the wallet and miner software?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Markov on July 07, 2013, 10:09:32 AM How about a nice countdown? ;D Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmSyzqoo17c&noredirect=1 I love those countdown shows... Actually I fancied Carol but hey ho I'm not young either. Back to topic, it seems like a very good coin, hopefully it can succeed. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Markov on July 07, 2013, 10:10:26 AM where can we download the wallet and miner software? Did you read the first post? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Remember remember the 5th of November on July 07, 2013, 10:44:18 AM So, can we get a counter or something? I am not good with all that timezone stuff.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Buffer Overflow on July 07, 2013, 10:51:48 AM Just over 7 hours to go now. Everyone get your botnets and clusters on standby.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 10:54:11 AM Just over 7 hours to go now. Everyone get your botnets and clusters on standby. 100x Amazon EC2, 4.5$x100 = 450$ per hour go goTitle: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: com911 on July 07, 2013, 11:10:38 AM 100x Amazon EC2, 4.5$x100 = 450$ per hour go go Oh lol, yeah it will be "fair cpu-only' start ;D Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: jubalix on July 07, 2013, 11:11:09 AM will this be released on the primecoin github
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Buffer Overflow on July 07, 2013, 11:13:54 AM 100x Amazon EC2, 4.5$x100 = 450$ per hour go go Oh lol, yeah it will be "fair cpu-only' start ;D EC2s are publicly available to everyone that wants to put their hand in their pocket. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 11:37:42 AM 100x Amazon EC2, 4.5$x100 = 450$ per hour go go Oh lol, yeah it will be "fair cpu-only' start ;D EC2s are publicly available to everyone that wants to put their hand in their pocket. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ManBearPig on July 07, 2013, 11:55:36 AM Nice idea and I love the fairness. I'll join in and see what happens :)
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: FuzzyBear on July 07, 2013, 12:00:34 PM Just to get you all excited!! https://github.com/FuzzyBearBTC/Primecoin
But serious note i'll be putting a copy of the original source there as well for people to build from and I'll see if I can add any compiled binaries and conf file examples etc and node list 8) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: loloman on July 07, 2013, 12:04:05 PM I will be ready to mine this afternoon :P
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: techbytes on July 07, 2013, 12:20:53 PM So, can we get a counter or something? I am not good with all that timezone stuff. http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx (http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx) Go do some conversion for your timezone... -tb- Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: testz on July 07, 2013, 12:35:58 PM So, can we get a counter or something? I am not good with all that timezone stuff. http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx Go do some conversion for your timezone... -tb- Or here: http://www.worldtimezone.com/index24.php Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 12:54:27 PM Or in 5hours and 5mins.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: darkip on July 07, 2013, 01:02:07 PM Timer removed. End time: 2013-07-07+13:00:00
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: heatgsm on July 07, 2013, 01:11:07 PM Timer removed. End time: 2013-07-07+13:00:00 Houston..we have a countdown... :DTitle: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 02:20:23 PM Timer removed. End time: 2013-07-07+13:00:00 Houston..we have a countdown... :DTitle: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Vorksholk on July 07, 2013, 02:57:31 PM Will primecoin use similar protocols for getWork and other miner functions, or will a program like cgminer have to be rebuilt from the ground up to support PrimeCoin? :)
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mustyoshi on July 07, 2013, 03:13:32 PM Where is the scientific use of prime number chains?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: fran2k on July 07, 2013, 03:26:37 PM Where is the scientific use of prime number chains? The discover of new prime numbers as I understand. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mustyoshi on July 07, 2013, 03:36:25 PM Where is the scientific use of prime number chains? The discover of new prime numbers as I understand. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: gatra on July 07, 2013, 03:43:05 PM interesting...
can you prove that there will always exist a chain for any hash and any difficulty? I guess a "proof" that relies on widely accepted conjectures (like the Rihemann Hypothesis) should suffice. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mustyoshi on July 07, 2013, 03:57:28 PM Where is the scientific use of prime number chains? The discover of new prime numbers as I understand. Dude, verifying a number is prime is easy. So we'll see what the actual limits are in a couple of hours. When I discovered this coin last night, I had hoped it would be finding all prime numbers so that eventually bitcoin could be attacked using the prime numbers found by this coin. Which would be poetic, imho. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: fran2k on July 07, 2013, 04:20:34 PM Well, I guess the white paper is pretty vague on the limits. So we'll see what the actual limits are in a couple of hours. When I discovered this coin last night, I had hoped it would be finding all prime numbers so that eventually bitcoin could be attacked using the prime numbers found by this coin. Which would be poetic, imho. As I understand having a complete list of huge primes would compromise a lot of systems, not just bitcoin itself. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: donjonson on July 07, 2013, 04:31:39 PM What would be the scientific advances of finding prime numbers?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mpr20rt on July 07, 2013, 04:58:06 PM Timer removed. End time: 2013-07-07+13:00:00 Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: jdough on July 07, 2013, 05:13:37 PM Well, I guess the white paper is pretty vague on the limits. So we'll see what the actual limits are in a couple of hours. When I discovered this coin last night, I had hoped it would be finding all prime numbers so that eventually bitcoin could be attacked using the prime numbers found by this coin. Which would be poetic, imho. As I understand having a complete list of huge primes would compromise a lot of systems, not just bitcoin itself. Would you mind giving a brief summary of why that is so? In this case, Primecoin isn't a passive alternative to Bitcoin but a hostile competitor? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 05:29:04 PM Timer removed. End time: 2013-07-07+13:00:00 Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: darkip on July 07, 2013, 05:45:01 PM Release sigs are up: https://github.com/primecoin/primecoin.gitian.sigs
Looks like the binaries are ready to go on time. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: zackclark70 on July 07, 2013, 05:49:27 PM if anyone would like to start a prime coin giveaway please contact me :) ( yes I know its not out yet )
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: pextris on July 07, 2013, 05:50:14 PM Release sigs are up: https://github.com/primecoin/primecoin.gitian.sigs http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/its-happening-ron-paul-gif.gifLooks like the binaries are ready to go on time. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: irritant on July 07, 2013, 05:52:29 PM Where is the scientific use of prime number chains? The discover of new prime numbers as I understand. Dude, verifying a number is prime is easy. So we'll see what the actual limits are in a couple of hours. When I discovered this coin last night, I had hoped it would be finding all prime numbers so that eventually bitcoin could be attacked using the prime numbers found by this coin. Which would be poetic, imho. poetic, made me laugh ;D also genius Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: captainfuture on July 07, 2013, 05:53:30 PM so how do i mine this? which miner i have to use?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Boing7898 on July 07, 2013, 05:53:46 PM Release sigs are up: https://github.com/primecoin/primecoin.gitian.sigs http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/its-happening-ron-paul-gif.gifLooks like the binaries are ready to go on time. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Alex P on July 07, 2013, 05:54:17 PM IS it ready?? What's the sig for??
Release sigs are up: https://github.com/primecoin/primecoin.gitian.sigs http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/its-happening-ron-paul-gif.gifLooks like the binaries are ready to go on time. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: pextris on July 07, 2013, 05:55:06 PM so how do i mine this? which miner i have to use? Initially it is cpu mining using the actual qt client. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: captainfuture on July 07, 2013, 05:56:09 PM ok. never mined with a client.
can i cpu mine and running cgminer also to mine other coins on one PC ? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 05:56:56 PM Awesome! I can now put my rack server to some use with mining. :P
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mrbrt on July 07, 2013, 05:57:13 PM so how do i mine this? which miner i have to use? Read The Fucking Thread Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: heatgsm on July 07, 2013, 05:57:27 PM Yes we can :D
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: nmersulypnem on July 07, 2013, 05:57:54 PM so how do i mine this? which miner i have to use? Initially it is cpu mining using the actual qt client. So all we need to do is download and install the client from github? Is it going to take much time to sync? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Loktera on July 07, 2013, 05:58:29 PM so how do i mine this? which miner i have to use? Initially it is cpu mining using the actual qt client. So all we need to do is download and install the client from github? Is it going to take much time to sync? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: jubalix on July 07, 2013, 05:59:39 PM https://github.com/primecoin
here right? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: zackclark70 on July 07, 2013, 05:59:54 PM its time :)
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 06:00:40 PM Released?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Entz on July 07, 2013, 06:00:51 PM Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: FuzzyBear on July 07, 2013, 06:01:34 PM Hahah that's amazing!! Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: captainfuture on July 07, 2013, 06:01:43 PM looooooooooool
lmfao you are all nerds! Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Alex P on July 07, 2013, 06:02:17 PM WTH!! where is it?? You guys premining it??
looooooooooool lmfao Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: nmersulypnem on July 07, 2013, 06:02:34 PM I see the source - they are releasing an executable, right?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: darkip on July 07, 2013, 06:02:37 PM Well that was an anti-climax...
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: jubalix on July 07, 2013, 06:03:28 PM cant see it yet
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: TuBB on July 07, 2013, 06:03:49 PM 4min delayy
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mrbrt on July 07, 2013, 06:03:57 PM I see the source - they are releasing an executable, right? http://sourceforge.net/projects/primecoin/files/ nothing there yet though Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: markm on July 07, 2013, 06:04:00 PM https://github.com/primecoin here right? That code is months old, aren't we looking for something just recently released? -MarkM- Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: FuzzyBear on July 07, 2013, 06:04:12 PM Well that was an anti-climax... "tentatively scheduled"Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Boing7898 on July 07, 2013, 06:05:05 PM Where are muh bins!?!?!?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mill0601 on July 07, 2013, 06:05:31 PM Well that was an anti-climax... "tentatively scheduled"yes well hes online so he could at least update us as to the status Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Alex P on July 07, 2013, 06:05:40 PM THIS has to be a SCAM!! Look for Viruses!! Don't trust!! Negative rating for sure!! This looks fishy.. Very very risky!
Download at your own risk. VIRUS Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: JungleBook on July 07, 2013, 06:05:59 PM looks good. watching
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: jubalix on July 07, 2013, 06:06:10 PM tentatively
yes but no update as oh no actually not utc 18.00, thats a bit taciturn Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 06:06:18 PM Well that was an anti-climax... "tentatively scheduled"Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Carra23 on July 07, 2013, 06:06:29 PM THIS has to be a SCAM!! Look for Viruses!! Don't trust!! Negative rating for sure!! This looks fishy.. Very very risky! Download at your own risk. VIRUS Lol. Are you saying Sunny King is a scammer? :facepalm: Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 06:06:33 PM Well that was an anti-climax... as anti climactic as masturbating and then getting caught by your parents Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Boing7898 on July 07, 2013, 06:07:00 PM HERE IT IS!!
EDIT: The fuck? NSIS Error? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: jubalix on July 07, 2013, 06:07:40 PM flark ist 2am i stayed up for this
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Loktera on July 07, 2013, 06:08:03 PM THIS has to be a SCAM!! Look for Viruses!! Don't trust!! Negative rating for sure!! This looks fishy.. Very very risky! If only Sunny King were a reputable part of the community, perhaps an author of another cryptocurrency and helpful to other devs we could trust him!Download at your own risk. VIRUS Oh wait, he's both of those things. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: snaidervp on July 07, 2013, 06:08:14 PM THIS has to be a SCAM!! Look for Viruses!! Don't trust!! Negative rating for sure!! This looks fishy.. Very very risky! Download at your own risk. VIRUS get your scamface out of here Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: JungleBook on July 07, 2013, 06:08:35 PM Nice to see something that's not a carbon copy with parameters changed. +1Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: TBCM on July 07, 2013, 06:08:49 PM nsis error
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Boing7898 on July 07, 2013, 06:09:17 PM nsis error Glad I'm not the only getting it.. :-\Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Alex P on July 07, 2013, 06:09:23 PM YES That's exactly what I am reporting! Download at your own risk! History will repeat itself. This will steal your alt coins!! so make sure you protect your wallet.dat file first.
THIS has to be a SCAM!! Look for Viruses!! Don't trust!! Negative rating for sure!! This looks fishy.. Very very risky! Download at your own risk. VIRUS Lol. Are you saying SUnny King is a scammer? :facepalm: Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: nmersulypnem on July 07, 2013, 06:09:27 PM Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: neilcoleman78 on July 07, 2013, 06:09:31 PM Not working for me. Error message NSIS error.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: EpStROM on July 07, 2013, 06:09:44 PM Error ???
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 06:10:41 PM Release??
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: jubalix on July 07, 2013, 06:10:51 PM nis error
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: darkip on July 07, 2013, 06:11:12 PM I'm guessing the binaries are in the progress of being uploaded as both the win32 installer and linux tar.gz appear to be corrupt at the minute
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Boing7898 on July 07, 2013, 06:11:18 PM No mining tab??
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Markov on July 07, 2013, 06:11:23 PM HERE IT IS!! EDIT: The fuck? NSIS Error? Where is it? Can't see it in github... Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 06:11:41 PM http://sourceforge.net/projects/primecoin/files/0.1.0/primecoin-0.1.0-win32-setup.exe/download
You can thank me now. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: TheSeven on July 07, 2013, 06:11:51 PM linux one broken as well...
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: markm on July 07, 2013, 06:12:12 PM I'm guessing the binaries are in the progress of being uploaded as both the win32 installer and linux tar.gz appear to be corrupt at the minute But there is no source yet. Shouldn't the source exist first before binaries can be compiled in order to then be uploaded? -MarkM- Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: nmersulypnem on July 07, 2013, 06:12:18 PM 43 hours behind? Where is the miner?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Markov on July 07, 2013, 06:12:20 PM http://sourceforge.net/projects/primecoin/files/0.1.0/primecoin-0.1.0-win32-setup.exe/download You can thank me now. Thanks a million Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: TuBB on July 07, 2013, 06:12:33 PM cant wait:D
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: TBCM on July 07, 2013, 06:12:45 PM Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: heatgsm on July 07, 2013, 06:13:00 PM http://sourceforge.net/projects/primecoin/files/0.1.0/
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: alexxy on July 07, 2013, 06:13:25 PM where is the SOURCE Luke?! =)
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 06:13:36 PM conf files?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Alex P on July 07, 2013, 06:15:14 PM Edited by SaltySpitoon
Please back up your claims if there are any, rather than causing an unnecessary panic, if not just an annoyance. YES That's exactly what I am reporting! Download at your own risk! History will repeat itself. This will steal your alt coins!! so make sure you protect your wallet.dat file first. THIS has to be a SCAM!! Look for Viruses!! Don't trust!! Negative rating for sure!! This looks fishy.. Very very risky! Download at your own risk. VIRUS Lol. Are you saying SUnny King is a scammer? :facepalm: Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: jubalix on July 07, 2013, 06:16:01 PM 43 hours how do i mine?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 06:16:26 PM It's stealing your info as we speak!! do not download. I just tested it on my vm machine and it is trying to wipe out some wallets in 43 hours.. That's retarded.YES That's exactly what I am reporting! Download at your own risk! History will repeat itself. This will steal your alt coins!! so make sure you protect your wallet.dat file first. THIS has to be a SCAM!! Look for Viruses!! Don't trust!! Negative rating for sure!! This looks fishy.. Very very risky! Download at your own risk. VIRUS Lol. Are you saying SUnny King is a scammer? :facepalm: Luckily i have no info, no alt coins in wallets, no nothing. Next? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Carra23 on July 07, 2013, 06:16:40 PM http://sourceforge.net/projects/primecoin/?source=dlp
For windows installer. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: krusin on July 07, 2013, 06:17:07 PM It's stealing your info as we speak!! do not download. I just tested it on my vm machine and it is trying to wipe out some wallets in 43 hours.. Don't quote yourself ffs, it looks tacky.YES That's exactly what I am reporting! Download at your own risk! History will repeat itself. This will steal your alt coins!! so make sure you protect your wallet.dat file first. THIS has to be a SCAM!! Look for Viruses!! Don't trust!! Negative rating for sure!! This looks fishy.. Very very risky! Download at your own risk. VIRUS Lol. Are you saying SUnny King is a scammer? :facepalm: Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: TheSeven on July 07, 2013, 06:18:03 PM linux file size changed, but STILL broken!
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: nmersulypnem on July 07, 2013, 06:18:11 PM 43 hours how do i mine? Same - no blocks to process... Where is it getting 43 hours? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: com911 on July 07, 2013, 06:18:18 PM Aint syncing :(
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 06:18:23 PM http://sourceforge.net/projects/primecoin/files/0.1.0/primecoin-0.1.0-win32-setup.exe/download You can thank me now. Thanks a million You can thank me a million. Litecoins. :P Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Alex P on July 07, 2013, 06:18:26 PM Just letting the world know.. this client does not work and it may be stealing wallet.dat files!
It's stealing your info as we speak!! do not download. I just tested it on my vm machine and it is trying to wipe out some wallets in 43 hours.. Don't quote yourself ffs, it looks tacky.YES That's exactly what I am reporting! Download at your own risk! History will repeat itself. This will steal your alt coins!! so make sure you protect your wallet.dat file first. THIS has to be a SCAM!! Look for Viruses!! Don't trust!! Negative rating for sure!! This looks fishy.. Very very risky! Download at your own risk. VIRUS Lol. Are you saying SUnny King is a scammer? :facepalm: Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 06:18:55 PM Not syncing, no conf to mine either :o
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Carra23 on July 07, 2013, 06:19:12 PM It's stealing your info as we speak!! do not download. I just tested it on my vm machine and it is trying to wipe out some wallets in 43 hours.. YES That's exactly what I am reporting! Download at your own risk! History will repeat itself. This will steal your alt coins!! so make sure you protect your wallet.dat file first. THIS has to be a SCAM!! Look for Viruses!! Don't trust!! Negative rating for sure!! This looks fishy.. Very very risky! Download at your own risk. VIRUS Lol. Are you saying SUnny King is a scammer? :facepalm: New users should fill up a questionnaire in the future, to make it idiot proof. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: jubalix on July 07, 2013, 06:19:31 PM i checked appdata
do we need a conf file? we need some add node? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Alex P on July 07, 2013, 06:19:37 PM Not syncing, no conf to mine either :o Am I right or what!! Told you it's a trojan horse to steal wallets! Watch out! Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: shakezula on July 07, 2013, 06:19:41 PM Just letting the world know.. this client does not work and it may be stealing wallet.dat files! If you're dim enough to run new wallets on a computer that has wallets you care about, then caveat emptor. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 06:19:51 PM i checked appdata can't mine without conf file.do we need a conf file? we need some add node? Just letting the world know.. this client does not work and it may be stealing wallet.dat files! If you're dim enough to run new wallets on a computer that has wallets you care about, then caveat emptor. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: lishbtc on July 07, 2013, 06:19:57 PM MD5 matches but broken tar.gz?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: heatgsm on July 07, 2013, 06:20:52 PM :D ... yep...should learn to try it on a miner without wallets - nothing to steal from me
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: barwizi on July 07, 2013, 06:22:07 PM just built the linux ;D ;D ;D ;D i found this gem bitcoin-qt
and i think it just connected to either the bitcoin chain or the litecoin chain because it wants to dw 200k blocks Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Alex P on July 07, 2013, 06:22:26 PM Who the fuck is Sunny Delight anywayz?? Could be a scammer just like the rest!!
Don't install on computer with wallets.dat in it!! Just letting the world know.. this client does not work and it may be stealing wallet.dat files! If you're dim enough to run new wallets on a computer that has wallets you care about, then caveat emptor. From Sunny King? I'm pretty sure he's not gonna spread a trojan. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: TheSeven on July 07, 2013, 06:23:17 PM Sunny, can you please fix the linux file? Or upload the source so I can build it? The tar.gz seems to be truncated.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: com911 on July 07, 2013, 06:23:47 PM I am happy to announce that the primecoin project is now close to beta quality and will be released to public soon. Please keep in mind this is experimental technology and we reserve the rights to rollback or restart the blockchain should severe bug/vulnerability require such actions. However we would try our best to avoid such scenarios and further develop it into reliable public infrastructure. Primecoin release is tentatively scheduled for 2013 July 7th 18:00 UTC What is your node IP Sunny? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: shakezula on July 07, 2013, 06:24:18 PM Just letting the world know.. this client does not work and it may be stealing wallet.dat files! If you're dim enough to run new wallets on a computer that has wallets you care about, then caveat emptor. From Sunny King? I'm pretty sure he's not gonna spread a trojan. I don't think he would either. Then again--if you're going to run brand new anything on a pc with all your BTCz, you might think twice about it :) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: irritant on July 07, 2013, 06:24:48 PM No block source available... 43 hour(s) behind
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 06:24:51 PM Who the fuck is Sunny Delight anywayz?? Could be a scammer just like the rest!! who the fuck are you to call someone else scammer.Don't install on computer with wallets.dat in it!! Just letting the world know.. this client does not work and it may be stealing wallet.dat files! If you're dim enough to run new wallets on a computer that has wallets you care about, then caveat emptor. From Sunny King? I'm pretty sure he's not gonna spread a trojan. Your a random junior member go away Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: heatgsm on July 07, 2013, 06:25:03 PM Who the fuck is Sunny Delight anywayz?? Could be a scammer just like the rest!! Don't install on computer with wallets.dat in it!! Just letting the world know.. this client does not work and it may be stealing wallet.dat files! If you're dim enough to run new wallets on a computer that has wallets you care about, then caveat emptor. From Sunny King? I'm pretty sure he's not gonna spread a trojan. Just shut the beep up already ...it`s my f business if I want to try it ! Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: darkip on July 07, 2013, 06:25:17 PM Those trying to use the linux build, although the .tar.gz is truncated, the extracted primecoin-qt is ok and runs fine.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Walsoraj on July 07, 2013, 06:25:26 PM So we can't mine until another 43 hours?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Alex P on July 07, 2013, 06:25:35 PM I trust my mother but I scan any files she gives me! Double scan it!! You know Sunny Delight better than your Momma??
Just letting the world know.. this client does not work and it may be stealing wallet.dat files! If you're dim enough to run new wallets on a computer that has wallets you care about, then caveat emptor. From Sunny King? I'm pretty sure he's not gonna spread a trojan. I don't think he would either. Then again--if you're going to run brand new anything on a pc with all your BTCz, you might think twice about it :) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: irritant on July 07, 2013, 06:26:11 PM Who the fuck is Sunny Delight anywayz?? Could be a scammer just like the rest!! Don't install on computer with wallets.dat in it!! Just letting the world know.. this client does not work and it may be stealing wallet.dat files! If you're dim enough to run new wallets on a computer that has wallets you care about, then caveat emptor. From Sunny King? I'm pretty sure he's not gonna spread a trojan. Just shut the beep up already ...it`s my f business if I want to try it ! use the ignore button, his will light up like a flash Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 06:26:42 PM Nobody gives a damn this ain't no virus. We just need an update from sunny, an update which we aren't getting :-\
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: techbytes on July 07, 2013, 06:27:07 PM Who the fuck is Sunny Delight anywayz?? Could be a scammer just like the rest!! Don't install on computer with wallets.dat in it!! Just letting the world know.. this client does not work and it may be stealing wallet.dat files! If you're dim enough to run new wallets on a computer that has wallets you care about, then caveat emptor. From Sunny King? I'm pretty sure he's not gonna spread a trojan. Do a little search and you'll see... -tb- Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: shakezula on July 07, 2013, 06:27:10 PM I trust my mother but I scan any files she gives me! Double scan it!! You know Sunny Delight better than your Momma?? Just letting the world know.. this client does not work and it may be stealing wallet.dat files! If you're dim enough to run new wallets on a computer that has wallets you care about, then caveat emptor. From Sunny King? I'm pretty sure he's not gonna spread a trojan. I don't think he would either. Then again--if you're going to run brand new anything on a pc with all your BTCz, you might think twice about it :) Oh your logic is flawless, cup. Better yet, don't run your new wallets on a computer you've saved bits on, problem solved. If you only have one computer, VMWare that shit. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: com911 on July 07, 2013, 06:27:34 PM Nobody gives a damn this ain't no virus. We just need an update from sunny, an update which we aren't getting :-\ Actually we need just his node IP. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: coinerd on July 07, 2013, 06:27:37 PM Somebody should lock this, someone should post this crap in the actual release thread.
Oh my god worst release ever. Plus according to the white paper this is exactly hashcash-style proof of work using a different computational function. Completely LMAO this morning. Good stuff. EDIT: Warning - while you were typing 9 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post. Holy shit guys there's a release thread EDIT: LMAO EDIT: OMFG Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post. EDIT: Ohh the saga Warning - while you were typing 2 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Alex P on July 07, 2013, 06:27:43 PM Do you ignore the Security Alarm when they tell you to get the fuck out of your house, there's a burgular.
Who the fuck is Sunny Delight anywayz?? Could be a scammer just like the rest!! Don't install on computer with wallets.dat in it!! Just letting the world know.. this client does not work and it may be stealing wallet.dat files! If you're dim enough to run new wallets on a computer that has wallets you care about, then caveat emptor. From Sunny King? I'm pretty sure he's not gonna spread a trojan. Just shut the beep up already ...it`s my f business if I want to try it ! use the ignore button, his will light up like a flash Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: EpStROM on July 07, 2013, 06:27:50 PM https://github.com/primecoin/primecoin
Something changed Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: irritant on July 07, 2013, 06:28:01 PM and were go!
Up to date. Processed 1 blocks of transaction history. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 06:28:21 PM Nobody gives a damn this ain't no virus. We just need an update from sunny, an update which we aren't getting :-\ SUNNY IS DEAD D: Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: captainfuture on July 07, 2013, 06:29:02 PM finished syncing. and now? how do i mine it?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 06:29:21 PM It sync'd, how do we mine? I'm curious aswell.Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: irritant on July 07, 2013, 06:31:30 PM 3 blocks already (on the network, not mine)
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: shakezula on July 07, 2013, 06:31:49 PM add gen=1 to your .conf file.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: romerun on July 07, 2013, 06:32:07 PM what's going on ? does the binary work or I have to compile it from the source ? how to mine from command line ?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: whlx on July 07, 2013, 06:32:45 PM How to mine?
where is the miner software? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: jubalix on July 07, 2013, 06:32:49 PM 43 hours = prime
also thats gone now I have processed 3 blocks but how to mine? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: captainfuture on July 07, 2013, 06:32:57 PM which conf file ???
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: SullyTex on July 07, 2013, 06:33:34 PM 3 block? OMGZRR!!! :o
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Giskard on July 07, 2013, 06:33:43 PM just type "setgenerate true #cores" in your rpc console to mine.
pleasure, you can donate here: AXu5Kcq7d1dBbP9wmwbsmBVgR7KHizwQui Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sondey10mg on July 07, 2013, 06:34:06 PM Just add -gen to your shortcut
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 06:34:50 PM Installing on mah rack server. :D
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: TheSeven on July 07, 2013, 06:36:09 PM Those trying to use the linux build, although the .tar.gz is truncated, the extracted primecoin-qt is ok and runs fine. But I need to run it headless! Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: SullyTex on July 07, 2013, 06:36:29 PM Big whooshin sound over my head Gis...
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ivanlabrie on July 07, 2013, 06:36:37 PM So we can't mine until another 43 hours? Ha! clever user/avatar...lol Back to ignore list. Same here, can't sync, 43 hs behind. :( Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 06:36:55 PM So we can't mine until another 43 hours? Ha! clever user/avatar...lol Back to ignore list. Same here, can't sync, 43 hs behind. :( What is the crazy difficulty? i5 working on it no blocks Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: testz on July 07, 2013, 06:37:25 PM Who get block please donate 0.0001 or less to: AKx9op12xWs9qptTafrj3YbVeZWyyjbFSC
Just to see that network works. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ivanlabrie on July 07, 2013, 06:39:00 PM Synced... setgenerate true #cores should start mining? I'll try.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: TheSeven on July 07, 2013, 06:39:07 PM Those trying to use the linux build, although the .tar.gz is truncated, the extracted primecoin-qt is ok and runs fine. But I need to run it headless! -gen That doesn't help at all, you can't run the QT one without an X server being installed on the box... Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: PoolMinor on July 07, 2013, 06:40:13 PM Here is mine running on 6 of 8 cores
 { "blocks" : 9, "currentblocksize" : 1000, "currentblocktx" : 0, "errors" : "", "generate" : true, "genproclimit" : 6, "primespersec" : 5, "pooledtx" : 0, "testnet" : false } Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: eddyfitz on July 07, 2013, 06:40:21 PM Code: ./primecoind getmininginfo WTF, why "primepersec" is 0? everybody else have the same? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 06:41:54 PM 14:42:04  { "blocks" : 10, "currentblocksize" : 1000, "currentblocktx" : 0, "errors" : "", "generate" : true, "genproclimit" : 8, "primespersec" : 14, "pooledtx" : 0, "testnet" : false } that's what im getting Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: virialtheorem on July 07, 2013, 06:42:38 PM I'm getting ~20 in my `getprimespersec` in the console
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 06:43:09 PM I got 33 for a moment then it went down to 14. *shrug*
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ivanlabrie on July 07, 2013, 06:43:32 PM 14:42:04  { "blocks" : 10, "currentblocksize" : 1000, "currentblocktx" : 0, "errors" : "", "generate" : true, "genproclimit" : 8, "primespersec" : 14, "pooledtx" : 0, "testnet" : false } that's what im getting Where do you see that? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: thef on July 07, 2013, 06:43:41 PM Only 10 blocks so far? Seems like difficulty was set too high.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: juve4v on July 07, 2013, 06:44:12 PM Diff 7 ???
 getdifficulty  7.00000000  getmininginfo  { "blocks" : 11, "currentblocksize" : 1000, "currentblocktx" : 0, "errors" : "", "generate" : true, "genproclimit" : -1, "primespersec" : 225, "pooledtx" : 0, "testnet" : false } Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 06:45:03 PM I got 33 for a moment then it went down to 14. *shrug*  { "blocks" : 12, "currentblocksize" : 1000, "currentblocktx" : 0, "errors" : "", "generate" : true, "genproclimit" : -1, "primespersec" : 241, "pooledtx" : 0, "testnet" : false } Rising slowly towards 1k, try using amazon EC2 ::) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Beyondem on July 07, 2013, 06:45:14 PM Getting 0 primespersec, hmm.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: com911 on July 07, 2013, 06:45:38 PM Anyone found a block?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lawyer on July 07, 2013, 06:45:59 PM LuckyBit brought up the Amazon EC2 problem and I was wondering if that has been addressed at all during this release.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 06:46:33 PM I got 33 for a moment then it went down to 14. *shrug*  { "blocks" : 12, "currentblocksize" : 1000, "currentblocktx" : 0, "errors" : "", "generate" : true, "genproclimit" : -1, "primespersec" : 241, "pooledtx" : 0, "testnet" : false } Rising slowly towards 1k, try using amazon EC2 ::) Have fun paying for your costly VPS to mine coins. :P Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: cryptopi on July 07, 2013, 06:46:44 PM I have 100 primespersec but not getting anything. What does primespersec mean?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: nmersulypnem on July 07, 2013, 06:46:48 PM My CPUs are pegged so at least something is happening since I added -gen... Where is the config file? I don't see it either in program files or User dir...!
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: romerun on July 07, 2013, 06:46:58 PM am I mining?
Code: ./primecoind getmininginfo Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: drawingthesun on July 07, 2013, 06:47:00 PM LuckyBit brought up the Amazon E3 problem and I was wondering if that has been addressed at all during this release. What's the Amazon E3 problem? Doesn't it cost a ton to lease out a load of cores from E3? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: r3wt on July 07, 2013, 06:47:09 PM where the hell to get the wallet?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 06:47:24 PM Have fun paying for your costly VPS to mine coins. :P LuckyBit brought up the Amazon E3 problem and I was wondering if that has been addressed at all during this release. What's the Amazon E3 problem? Doesn't it cost a ton to lease out a load of cores from E3? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: whlx on July 07, 2013, 06:47:32 PM I still didn't know how to mine。。。。。。。。
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Boing7898 on July 07, 2013, 06:50:04 PM 183 on my old Phenom X4 965.. Wow ;D
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: hasherl on July 07, 2013, 06:50:38 PM Wohoo got 20.41 XPM! 8)
Edit: Sell them bor 20 BTC ;) Get it while they're hot. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 06:51:04 PM Yay I have 20 XPM :P Who wants to trade it in the first ever trade of XPM?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: urubu on July 07, 2013, 06:51:47 PM i got 20 :D
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Boing7898 on July 07, 2013, 06:52:05 PM tfw 0 XPM :(
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ivanlabrie on July 07, 2013, 06:52:11 PM I still didn't know how to mine。。。。。。。。 Open help-debug window-console: type setgenerate true (number of cpu cores) enter. I'd like to try the free amazon instance, anyone got a tutorial for that? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 06:53:08 PM Yay I have 20 XPM :P Who wants to trade it in the first ever trade of XPM? What CPU are you using sighOpen help-debug window-console: type setgenerate true (number of cpu cores) enter. I'd like to try the free amazon instance, anyone got a tutorial for that? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 06:56:34 PM dual-processor quad-core 2.4GHz xeon. It's a rack server.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: drawingthesun on July 07, 2013, 06:57:19 PM Yay I have 20 XPM :P Who wants to trade it in the first ever trade of XPM? What CPU are you using sighOpen help-debug window-console: type setgenerate true (number of cpu cores) enter. I'd like to try the free amazon instance, anyone got a tutorial for that? Are you using a EC2 windows instance? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 06:57:38 PM Yay I have 20 XPM :P Who wants to trade it in the first ever trade of XPM? What CPU are you using sighOpen help-debug window-console: type setgenerate true (number of cpu cores) enter. I'd like to try the free amazon instance, anyone got a tutorial for that? Are you usings a EC2 windows instance? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Alex P on July 07, 2013, 06:59:04 PM Laugh!! Still wasting time on this? You will not get any blocks!! This is a waste.. go mine something useful.
Yay I have 20 XPM :P Who wants to trade it in the first ever trade of XPM? What CPU are you using sighOpen help-debug window-console: type setgenerate true (number of cpu cores) enter. I'd like to try the free amazon instance, anyone got a tutorial for that? Are you usings a EC2 windows instance? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 06:59:58 PM Laugh!! Still wasting time on this? You will not get any blocks!! This is a waste.. go mine something useful. So that Mr-Alex can mine in your place. :PYay I have 20 XPM :P Who wants to trade it in the first ever trade of XPM? What CPU are you using sighOpen help-debug window-console: type setgenerate true (number of cpu cores) enter. I'd like to try the free amazon instance, anyone got a tutorial for that? Are you usings a EC2 windows instance? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: nmersulypnem on July 07, 2013, 07:01:17 PM Have fun paying for your costly VPS to mine coins. :P LuckyBit brought up the Amazon E3 problem and I was wondering if that has been addressed at all during this release. What's the Amazon E3 problem? Doesn't it cost a ton to lease out a load of cores from E3? Where can I buy an Amazon Web Services gift card? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 07:02:16 PM Have fun paying for your costly VPS to mine coins. :P LuckyBit brought up the Amazon E3 problem and I was wondering if that has been addressed at all during this release. What's the Amazon E3 problem? Doesn't it cost a ton to lease out a load of cores from E3? Where can I buy an Amazon Web Services gift card? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: inbox on July 07, 2013, 07:02:34 PM Buying XPM @ 0.000104BTC each
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 07:03:12 PM 20.41 XPM for sale! Enter your bids here! Let's define it's price!
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 07:03:50 PM Buying XPM @ 0.000208BTC each make that 0.02 and we can start working up a price.Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 07:04:30 PM Buying XPM @ 0.000104BTC each eEven at this price I'm a happy camper. Now I just have to wait for my XPM to mature. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: joewinkler on July 07, 2013, 07:05:08 PM 29 blocks... Who has mined already?
Are primes included in the blockchain? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mr_random on July 07, 2013, 07:06:30 PM According to the client there's been 630 coins mined since launch so far
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: whlx on July 07, 2013, 07:07:09 PM I still didn't know how to mine。。。。。。。。 Open help-debug window-console: type setgenerate true (number of cpu cores) enter. I'd like to try the free amazon instance, anyone got a tutorial for that? Thank you! CPU now is 100%. So, it is Mining Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 07:07:48 PM According to the client there's been 630 coins mined since launch so far Awww yeah. I'm one of the first 30 people to mine a block! Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 07:08:00 PM Been mining for quite some time, nothing found yet damn >:(
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Boing7898 on July 07, 2013, 07:08:39 PM Been mining for quite some time, nothing found yet damn >:( Same here :(What's everybodys speed? Or.. can we call it hashrate? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Philogus on July 07, 2013, 07:09:30 PM I mining too,and I am looking to buy XPM too. I have a buying budget of 1BTC. Please PM me with reasonable offers.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: captainfuture on July 07, 2013, 07:09:48 PM can get only 31 primespersec at all....
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: theblazehen on July 07, 2013, 07:09:58 PM Can I get some please? Adf2xZkXCF38itqVoSzJfsoKUu6nzHfhCZ
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: thef on July 07, 2013, 07:10:29 PM I think we need a mining pool.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: jubalix on July 07, 2013, 07:10:35 PM mining and fk all to show for it...
poor i5 laptop also apart from the noise and heat how can i tell I am doing it right? i can see 189/s Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 07:11:03 PM First guy to make a mining pool for this coin is gonna make a killing in pool fees/donations!
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: noel20 on July 07, 2013, 07:12:13 PM Sorry for being such a noob, but how do I know if I am mining?
I Opened the help-debug window-console: type setgenerate true 1 After that, not much really occurred... Do I get any sort of a confirmation after that? The console did do anything after I entered that... Thank for the help Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: captainfuture on July 07, 2013, 07:12:20 PM can i get the wallet run under mac os x ?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 07:14:04 PM can i get the wallet run under mac os x ? You can't. Get a PC, noob. :P Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 07:15:02 PM Primespersec very low now damn
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Aggrophobia on July 07, 2013, 07:16:21 PM anyone want to mine with EC2 Instances? ;)
0.3BTC for 1 setupfile + advices setup + mining in 4 minutes Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: drawingthesun on July 07, 2013, 07:16:30 PM Sorry for being such a noob, but how do I know if I am mining? I Opened the help-debug window-console: type setgenerate true 1 After that, not much really occurred... Do I get any sort of a confirmation after that? The console did do anything after I entered that... Thank for the help Read what I wrote earlier https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251850.msg2675553#msg2675553 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251850.msg2675553#msg2675553) Type "getprimespersec" to see your mining speed Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: DigitalMan on July 07, 2013, 07:16:33 PM What's your Primespersec?? I have 500+ on 3 machinese and I have not gotten a single block..
Anyone else have any luck?? Primespersec very low now damn Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: captainfuture on July 07, 2013, 07:17:05 PM can i get the wallet run under mac os x ? You can't. Get a PC, noob. :P i didnt write i dont have pcs here. ??? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 07:17:38 PM anyone want to mine with EC2 Instances? ;) 0.2BTC for EC2 instant setup :)0.3BTC for 1 setupfile + advices setup + mining in 4 minutes Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: urubu on July 07, 2013, 07:18:06 PM You can check your task manager performance tab to see if it is using your cpu to 100%.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 07:19:06 PM What's your Primespersec?? I have 500+ on 3 machinese and I have not gotten a single block.. Anyone else have any luck?? Primespersec very low now damn I'm getting 275 on two quad-core xeons, and I mined one block. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 07:19:57 PM can i get the wallet run under mac os x ? You can't. Get a PC, noob. :P i didnt write i dont have pcs here. ??? get wine or crossover or parrelels? Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Loktera on July 07, 2013, 07:22:03 PM Yay, 20.41 XPM. :)
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Walsoraj on July 07, 2013, 07:22:21 PM Is a rpcuser and pass in the .conf necessary to mine?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mr_random on July 07, 2013, 07:22:39 PM Money supply just reached 999XPM
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: noel20 on July 07, 2013, 07:23:24 PM Sorry for being such a noob, but how do I know if I am mining? I Opened the help-debug window-console: type setgenerate true 1 After that, not much really occurred... Do I get any sort of a confirmation after that? The console did do anything after I entered that... Thank for the help Read what I wrote earlier https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251850.msg2675553#msg2675553 Type "getprimespersec" to see your mining speed Awesome thanks--I don't think I'll find much with this laptop, but still fun--Thanks! Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: darkip on July 07, 2013, 07:25:35 PM Thrown a bunch of pretty powerful machines at it but nothing yet, I guess the starting difficulty is quite high.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 07:27:06 PM Thrown a bunch of pretty powerful machines at it but nothing yet, I guess the starting difficulty is quite high. That doesn't really matter. It's the prime if it's like 10^24987236823572852 well we would be fucked :D2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43 and so on goes the list and you get some crazy high numbers then it's high, my primespersec reduced x10 by now Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: whlx on July 07, 2013, 07:28:24 PM Haven't got anything yet.
getprimespersec 28 & 48 Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: captainfuture on July 07, 2013, 07:28:43 PM so if every block gets harder and prime goes high, it will be unable to mine in a few hours ???
i dont understand this. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: peteparker on July 07, 2013, 07:29:06 PM Does it take more than 3000 confirmations to mature the coins for you too? Seems like a long time...
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 07:29:24 PM so if every block gets harder and prime goes high, it will be unable to mine in a few hours ??? www.google.comi dont understand this. Jeesh. It gets harder to find a prime that's it. Does it take more than 3000 confirmations to mature the coins for you too? Seems like a long time... Yes, duh.Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ivanlabrie on July 07, 2013, 07:31:25 PM Is a rpcuser and pass in the .conf necessary to mine? Good question...I think not, getting 1 primerspersec, but not sure that's right. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 07:32:37 PM Is a rpcuser and pass in the .conf necessary to mine? Good question...I think not, getting 1 primerspersec, but not sure that's right. You don't even need a conf file, I don't have one Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: captainfuture on July 07, 2013, 07:35:53 PM tried to start wallet with conf file, only with one line setgenerate, but that doesnt work.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: lishbtc on July 07, 2013, 07:36:12 PM I'm getting 0 primespersec but 100% on a 16-core CPU - linux binary :(
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 07:37:07 PM I'm getting 0 primespersec but 100% on a 16-core CPU - linux binary :( Amazon EC2? lol~100 primes/s on i5 windows Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: captainfuture on July 07, 2013, 07:37:55 PM i need a conf file, cuase i have to restart my pc sometimes and i wanna mine automatically
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: loloman on July 07, 2013, 07:38:06 PM is there a compiled client for windows?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: testz on July 07, 2013, 07:39:05 PM I'm getting 0 primespersec but 100% on a 16-core CPU - linux binary :( I'm getting 9 primespersec and 100% CPU load on 32-core CPU and 0 primespersec and 100% CPU load on 48-core CPU :( Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ivanlabrie on July 07, 2013, 07:39:37 PM I'm getting 0 primespersec but 100% on a 16-core CPU - linux binary :( Amazon EC2? lol~100 primes/s on i5 windows I used setgenerate true 2 on my pentium d...0, then 1 primespersec. Quitting for now, it slows down my gpu mining. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: barwizi on July 07, 2013, 07:40:52 PM no block source available?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 07:41:15 PM im getting 87-75 on 8 cores
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 07:41:28 PM I'm getting 0 primespersec but 100% on a 16-core CPU - linux binary :( I'm getting 9 primespersec and 100% CPU load on 32-core CPU and 0 primespersec and 100% CPU load on 48-core CPU :( First you're ignorant for using the linux one, 2nd use the right code for the rpc console. Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: gudmunsn on July 07, 2013, 07:43:10 PM I'm pulling 141 primes/sec on each my desktop i7 and my laptop i7, so 282 total. Haven't found any blocks yet, but hopeful.
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: lishbtc on July 07, 2013, 07:44:26 PM Free market :P
Meh, not working out too well anyway: { "blocks" : 75, "currentblocksize" : 1000, "currentblocktx" : 0, "errors" : "", "generate" : true, "genproclimit" : 99, "primespersec" : 0, "pooledtx" : 0, "testnet" : false } Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: mr_random on July 07, 2013, 07:44:36 PM Got my first 20 XMP :)
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 07:46:12 PM i think we need a pool
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: captainfuture on July 07, 2013, 07:48:18 PM anyone has a conf file that works? i want automatic mine at starting wallet
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 07:49:38 PM i think we need a pool nop.Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Aggrophobia on July 07, 2013, 07:49:45 PM i think we need a pool first you need a client for a pool ... Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Buffer Overflow on July 07, 2013, 07:53:18 PM i think we need a pool Not really. We are currently all decentralized. Like it should be.Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: testz on July 07, 2013, 07:55:31 PM I'm getting 0 primespersec but 100% on a 16-core CPU - linux binary :( I'm getting 9 primespersec and 100% CPU load on 32-core CPU and 0 primespersec and 100% CPU load on 48-core CPU :( First you're ignorant for using the linux one, 2nd use the right code for the rpc console. First I use the Windows, 2nd what is the "right code for the rpc console"? not the getmininginfo or getprimespersec? Amazon EC2 is not a damned clusters? :-) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Philogus on July 07, 2013, 08:04:17 PM Does the currentblocksize=1000 mean that the winner of each block gets 1000 xpm?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ahmed_bodi on July 07, 2013, 08:06:33 PM actually ec2 is clusters, ^ i can have a look at getting a pool up but i think itll be in a day or 2's time need to get firewall sorted yet
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: ReCat on July 07, 2013, 08:06:58 PM i think we need a pool Not really. We are currently all decentralized. Like it should be.Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Lauda on July 07, 2013, 08:10:14 PM Quote First I use the Windows, 2nd what is the "right code for the rpc console"? You don't. You're a newbie and using amazon ec2 has most likely been prevented.not the getmininginfo or getprimespersec? Amazon EC2 is not a damned clusters? :-) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: BitcoinFX on July 07, 2013, 08:10:51 PM Good work 01010011 01110101 01101110 01101110 01111001 00100000 01001011 01101001 01101110 01100111 (Sunny King)! 8)
Found a block... Status: 45 confirmations Date: 07/07/2013 20:31 Source: Generated Credit: 20.41 XPM (matures in 3155 more blocks) Net amount: 0.00 XPM Transaction ID: a0e95a32a84cfc5d0f9fb0eb639c54e66fc852a47fd9bac039ed9a85d04fa625 { "blocks" : 110, "currentblocksize" : 1000, "currentblocktx" : 0, "errors" : "", "generate" : true, "genproclimit" : 12, "primespersec" : 225, "pooledtx" : 0, "testnet" : false } primespersec warming up nicely ;) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Philogus on July 07, 2013, 08:12:29 PM Got my first 20 XMP :) So there are 20 XPM per block? Its a little bit confusing. The client says currentblocksize is 1000. What does that mean?Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Philogus on July 07, 2013, 08:13:22 PM Good work 01010011 01110101 01101110 01101110 01111001 00100000 01001011 01101001 01101110 01100111 (Sunny King)! 8) Nice!!!!Found a block... Status: 45 confirmations Date: 07/07/2013 20:31 Source: Generated Credit: 20.41 XPM (matures in 3155 more blocks) Net amount: 0.00 XPM Transaction ID: a0e95a32a84cfc5d0f9fb0eb639c54e66fc852a47fd9bac039ed9a85d04fa625 { "blocks" : 110, "currentblocksize" : 1000, "currentblocktx" : 0, "errors" : "", "generate" : true, "genproclimit" : 12, "primespersec" : 225, "pooledtx" : 0, "testnet" : false } primespersec warming up nicely ;) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: irritant on July 07, 2013, 08:14:05 PM is it possible to calculate what the average time it takes to find a block is?
Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Philogus on July 07, 2013, 08:16:42 PM is it possible to calculate what the average time it takes to find a block is? Just a rough calculation, it looks like about 1 per minute.Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: irritant on July 07, 2013, 08:17:18 PM is it possible to calculate what the average time it takes to find a block is? Just a rough calculation, it looks like about 1 per minute.dohh, of course I mean for every miner, not for the network Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: testz on July 07, 2013, 08:17:42 PM Quote First I use the Windows, 2nd what is the "right code for the rpc console"? You don't. You're a newbie and using amazon ec2 has most likely been prevented.not the getmininginfo or getprimespersec? Amazon EC2 is not a damned clusters? :-) I agree, I don't use Amazon EC2, it's my 2 home servers :) Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Sunny King on July 07, 2013, 08:18:33 PM Thanks for all your support 8)
Primecoin blockchain is in production now and this concludes the prerelease thread. Please comment and report issues in the main discussion thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251850.0 Cheers! Title: Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Prerelease Announcement - Introducing Prime Proof-of-Work Post by: Philogus on July 07, 2013, 08:18:42 PM is it possible to calculate what the average time it takes to find a block is? 13:06 block 106 13:15 block 115 13:17 block 117 So it looks pretty stable at about 1 block/min |