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Title: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: zackclark70 on July 02, 2013, 04:43:40 AM
we really could do with a thumbs up/down button on each post the more thumbs down you get the less frequently you can post

 have thumbs up as +1 and thumbs down as -2 the higher your score the more you can post the lower your score the less you can post


and can we have something better than this junk > :'( :-* :-\ :-X :-[ :P ::) ??? 8) :o

I would also ask that the forum rules are updated and enforced I am all for freedom of speech but its getting ridiculous

we need a system of reporting suspected scammers not just scammers even if after 10 people click a suspected scam button it warns at the top of the page that it is a suspected scam be warned

abuse of the trust system I have seen noobs that are trying to sell / trade being given negative feedback saying that they could be scamming
I can see why it is being done but its scaring of the new people from the forum

can we make a new rule that you have to have a positive trust rating before you can ask for a loan all loan request without positive feedback will be deleted

we need a list available to everyone of all confirmed scammers  and call it the wall of shame

I will be adding more here when I get time  :)

thanks for your time

zack


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: greyhawk on July 02, 2013, 11:03:06 AM
we really could do with a thumbs up/down button on each post the more thumbs down you get the less frequently you can post

 have thumbs up as +1 and thumbs down as -2 the higher your score the more you can post the lower your score the less you can post


Sure. BTW, and totally unrelated, I am offering a post rating manipulation service.


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: zackclark70 on July 02, 2013, 11:22:20 AM
we really could do with a thumbs up/down button on each post the more thumbs down you get the less frequently you can post

 have thumbs up as +1 and thumbs down as -2 the higher your score the more you can post the lower your score the less you can post

Great idea! Let's silence people with dissenting opinions!

we need a system of reporting suspected scammers not just scammers even if after 10 people click a suspected scam button it warns at the top of the page that it is a suspected scam be warned

We do have a system. It's called the trust system. Yes, it's imperfect, but it's better than only the mods being able to hand out scammer tags.

can we make a new rule that you have to have a positive trust rating before you can ask for a loan all loan request without positive feedback will be deleted

So, to get a positive trust rating, you need to ask for a loan and repay it, but you need a positive trust rating to ask for a loan... See the problem here?

have you not seen a lot of people on here have positive trust for no reason what so ever ?


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: jackjack on July 02, 2013, 11:25:48 AM
1. Learn how the trust system works
2. Realize you can't complain


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: zackclark70 on July 02, 2013, 11:36:50 AM
are you blind ? the forum is a mess full of scammers spam and sock puppets and the moderators don't seam to bothered at all

the current system is rewarding people that have been scamming the longest

I have even seen people offering to sell admin accounts !!   

we need to sort out the forum its a complete mess and it is not helping the image of crypto this forum is only 3rd down if I search bitcoin on Google
 



Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: greyhawk on July 02, 2013, 11:37:42 AM
Clearly you're new here.

You should probably go ahead and get your own forum full of rules and laws and stuff.


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: zackclark70 on July 02, 2013, 11:40:27 AM
so you like all the scamming and spam ? I am guessing you don't look in the alt coin section ?


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: jackjack on July 02, 2013, 11:46:55 AM
1. Learn how the trust system works
2. Realize you can't complain
Trust != activity

I have even seen people offering to sell admin accounts !!   
Lol gtfo pics or it didn't happen

so you like all the scamming and spam ? I am guessing you don't look in the alt coin section ?
The altcoin forum should be deleted. It's like the Bitcoin far-west.


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: greyhawk on July 02, 2013, 11:52:28 AM
so you like all the scamming and spam ? I am guessing you don't look in the alt coin section ?

Of course I like it. It's my sole reason for being here. You couldn't get this much entertainment if you paid for it.

Watching hare-brained schemes go up in flames. Seeing insurances financing themselves by buying exactly the risky investment they're insuring against. Currency exchanges run by 17 years olds getting hacked by Chinese millionaire relic hunter über hackers. Victims vocally defending their very scammers to the last breath. Scammers attacking scammers attacking scammers in the trust system. Two men "companies" handing out cargo cult titles. "Businesses" lying and insulting their "customers". Witnessing how a simple transaction protocoll gets transformed into religion.

It's a trainwreck full of burning, dying people who yell at you to stop touching them, when you try to pull them out. It's a sinking ship where people will not board the lifeboats because they "are gonna make it if we just keep holding on and don't stop believing". It's the perfect delusion and the perfect comedy.


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: jackjack on July 02, 2013, 11:54:42 AM
so you like all the scamming and spam ? I am guessing you don't look in the alt coin section ?

Of course I like it. It's my sole reason for being here. You couldn't get this much entertainment if you paid for it.

Watching hare-brained schemes go up in flames. Seeing insurances financing themselves by buying exactly the risky investment they're insuring against. Currency exchanges run by 17 years olds getting hacked by Chinese millionaire relic hunter über hackers. Victims vocally defending their very scammers to the last breath. Scammers attacking scammers attacking scammers in the trust system. Two men "companies" handing out cargo cult titles. "Businesses" lying and insulting their "customers". Witnessing how a simple transaction protocoll gets transformed into religion.

It's a trainwreck full of burning, dying people who yell at you to stop touching them, when you try to pull them out. It's a sinking ship where people will not board the lifeboats because they "are gonna make it if we just keep holding on and don't stop believing". It's the perfect delusion and the perfect comedy.
I never realized how close to a religion it is


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: greyhawk on July 02, 2013, 11:57:56 AM
I never realized how close to a religion it is


There's been a few threads in "Bitcoin Discussion" that are downright scary. Pure cult-speak.


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: zackclark70 on July 02, 2013, 12:02:12 PM
1. Learn how the trust system works
2. Realize you can't complain
Trust != activity

I have even seen people offering to sell admin accounts !!   
Lol gtfo pics or it didn't happen

so you like all the scamming and spam ? I am guessing you don't look in the alt coin section ?
The altcoin forum should be deleted. It's like the Bitcoin far-west.

if you take some time and read the altcoin sub forum you will find a lot of reasons why you should be supporting altcoins yes there is loads of crap there that's what im trying to get sorted out on the forum


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: xxjs on July 02, 2013, 12:06:57 PM
I like the thumbs up idea. That could save a lot of replies with quotes and only +1 added.


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: greyhawk on July 02, 2013, 12:12:24 PM
Oh, btw I DO concur about the altcoins forum needing to be euthanized. The scammers there are uncreative and boring and comedy value is subpar.

Besides that one guy who core breached about his 10 second block time coin. That one was pretty lulzy.


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: zackclark70 on July 02, 2013, 12:16:19 PM
I have started a poll in the altcoin section wether we start to have sub sections will post link here >https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=248327.0


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: greyhawk on July 02, 2013, 12:19:05 PM
I have started a poll in the altcoin section wether we start to have sub sections

This is BitcoinTalk. The only thing the altcoin section needs is a fiery death. It binds way to much resources that would be better spent getting scammed elsewhere.


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: favdesu on July 02, 2013, 12:20:14 PM
I have started a poll in the altcoin section wether we start to have sub sections

This is BitcoinTalk. The only thing the altcoin section needs is a fiery death.

it can't hurt IMO. If you don't want to see the trash section, put it on ignore.


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: greyhawk on July 02, 2013, 12:22:16 PM
I have started a poll in the altcoin section wether we start to have sub sections

This is BitcoinTalk. The only thing the altcoin section needs is a fiery death.

it can't hurt IMO. If you don't want to see the trash section, put it on ignore.

It spills over into the schools and churches, the bodies pile up in the streets. In the end you'll beg me to save you.


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: zackclark70 on July 02, 2013, 12:26:04 PM
I have started a poll in the altcoin section wether we start to have sub sections

This is BitcoinTalk. The only thing the altcoin section needs is a fiery death. It binds way to much resources that would be better spent getting scammed elsewhere.

I am sorry to tell you this but altcoins will have a bigger future than bitcoin yes bitcoin was the first but doesn't mean its the best

if you did away with the altcoin section the forum would lose 90% of the people gpu mining


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: greyhawk on July 02, 2013, 12:29:07 PM
if you did away with the altcoin section the forum would lose 90% of the people gpu mining

They're poors. A bunch of pretentious young men playing at running the world. But the world left them behind long ago.


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: Akka on July 02, 2013, 12:32:57 PM
if you did away with the altcoin section the forum would lose 90% of the people gpu mining

And? Who cares about miners?

Why should it interest me if some people can print magic money with their GPU?


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: zackclark70 on July 02, 2013, 12:33:52 PM
altcoins are were all the gpus are going to be ( i have 83 7950s mining altcoins and i make over 3x what i would mining bitcoin  :) )


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: zackclark70 on July 02, 2013, 12:35:05 PM
back on topic it doesn't change the fact that the forum needs clearing up


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: Akka on July 02, 2013, 12:35:42 PM
altcoins are were all the gpus are going to be ( i have 83 7950s mining altcoins and i make over 3x what i would mining bitcoin  :) )

Good for you, but don't come crying when the altcoin bubble deflates and you are stuck with a ton of burned out worthless hardware.


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: zackclark70 on July 02, 2013, 12:40:10 PM
altcoins are were all the gpus are going to be ( i have 83 7950s mining altcoins and i make over 3x what i would mining bitcoin  :) )

Good for you, but don't come crying when the altcoin bubble deflates and you are stuck with a ton of burned out worthless hardware.

hardware that has nearly paid for itself 2 times over in less than 3 months lol ( just been mining and trading lol )


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: greyhawk on July 02, 2013, 12:41:26 PM
altcoins are were all the gpus are going to be ( i have 83 7950s mining altcoins and i make over 3x what i would mining bitcoin  :) )

Good for you, but don't come crying when the altcoin bubble deflates and you are stuck with a ton of burned out worthless hardware.

They're desperate; they can smell their deaths, and the sound they'll make rattling their cages will serve as a warning to the rest.


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: BadBear on July 02, 2013, 12:42:26 PM
Nobody cares about alt currencies child board. That was the alternative to deleting them, nothing more.

If they're gonna be so big, they should have no problem making their own forum.



Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: Mike Christ on July 02, 2013, 12:45:20 PM
Making new rules won't help a thing, unless the mods are going to hand-hold every single member on this forum to make sure they're obeying those rules which are supposedly for their own good but if a person doesn't know the difference between a neon-red scammer flag and a trusted member, perhaps it is in their interest to be scammed so they'll be the wiser for it.

People aren't stupid.  They learn what's good and what isn't on their own.  Rules just assume people can't figure out what's good and bad on their own so daddy and mommy moderators have to step in to solve inept member's problems (inept because they're being babied, mind you, e.g. the solution you're presenting to this problem only serves to worsen the issue you're attempting to solve.)  Here, on this forum, we are provided with just enough to help us function on our own, and I suggest you, and anyone else who doesn't like being scammed, learn to use these tools.

As for the rest of your suggestions, there's literally nothing stopping you from doing it on your own.  In fact, I believe we already have a wall of shame thread by TomatoCage.  For a system to report suspected scammers, here's how it's done:

OP Post: "Hey guys I need a 100 BTC loan for my dog Skippy"

2nd Post: "SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM"

3rd Post: "SCCCAAAAAAAAMMMM"

Voila.

Lets say you're chilling in America and there's this brand spankin new law called "The Don't Sell Counterfeit Watches" law.  So you're like "Well all right!  Finally I can walk down the street without being sold a counterfeit watch!"  So you're walking down the street (see: browsing Bitcointalk) and this trenchcoat wearing hobo comes out (see: untrusted newbie), opens his trenchcoat and shows you he has a bunch of really nice Rolexes for sale at a 90% discount.  Well, since there's this brand new law (see: rule) saying that he can't do that, there's obviously no reason for you to act like a reasonable, responsible adult and be cautious with who you're buying watches from, for who needs responsibility when you got big brother making all these wonderful rules, so you buy the watch thinking the hobo doesn't know what a fucking Rolex costs and you can sell it back to some sucker for a huge profit.  Anyway, you buy the obviously legit watch and take it home and about a week later you take it to a pawnshop where they inspect it and tell you, "Yaep, this one's counterfeit."  But thank the lord we had that rule, for who knows just how much worse that situation could've been?  You could've been sold a slice of old cheese for all you know!


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: zackclark70 on July 02, 2013, 12:46:57 PM
Nobody cares about alt currencies child board. That was the alternative to deleting them, nothing more.

If they're gonna be so big, they should have no problem making their own forum.



the problem is that all the info if on this forum all it would take is to move the whole category over to a new forum and for that
i would need bitcoin talk to be on board

I would not mind working with bitcointalk to make altcointalk  


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: greyhawk on July 02, 2013, 12:47:55 PM
 You could've been sold a slice of old cheese for all you know!

I've received reports of armed attacks on shipments. There's not enough cheese to go around, and the underclasses are starting to get desperate.



Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: Akka on July 02, 2013, 12:50:52 PM
 You could've been sold a slice of old cheese for all you know!

I've received reports of armed attacks on shipments. There's not enough cheese to go around, and the underclasses are starting to get desperate.



If the underclass has not enough cheese, they should just eat cake instead.


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: zackclark70 on July 02, 2013, 12:51:33 PM
Making new rules won't help a thing, unless the mods are going to hand-hold every single member on this forum to make sure they're obeying those rules which are supposedly for their own good but if a person doesn't know the difference between a neon-red scammer flag and a trusted member, perhaps it is in their interest to be scammed so they'll be the wiser for it.

People aren't stupid.  They learn what's good and what isn't on their own.  Rules just assume people can't figure out what's good and bad on their own so daddy and mommy moderators have to step in to solve inept member's problems (inept because they're being babied, mind you, e.g. the solution you're presenting to this problem only serves to worsen the issue you're attempting to solve.)  Here, on this forum, we are provided with just enough to help us function on our own, and I suggest you, and anyone else who doesn't like being scammed, learn to use these tools.

As for the rest of your suggestions, there's literally nothing stopping you from doing it on your own.  In fact, I believe we already have a wall of shame thread by TomatoCage.  For a system to report suspected scammers, here's how it's done:

OP Post: "Hey guys I need a 100 BTC loan for my dog Skippy"

2nd Post: "SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM"

3rd Post: "SCCCAAAAAAAAMMMM"

Voila.

Lets say you're chilling in America and there's this brand spankin new law called "The Don't Sell Counterfeit Watches" law.  So you're like "Well all right!  Finally I can walk down the street without being sold a counterfeit watch!"  So you're walking down the street (see: browsing Bitcointalk) and this trenchcoat wearing hobo comes out (see: untrusted newbie), opens his trenchcoat and shows you he has a bunch of really nice Rolexes for sale at a 90% discount.  Well, since there's this brand new law (see: rule) saying that he can't do that, there's obviously no reason for you to act like a reasonable, responsible adult and be cautious with who you're buying watches from, for who needs responsibility when you got big brother making all these wonderful rules, so you buy the watch thinking the hobo doesn't know what a fucking Rolex costs and you can sell it back to some sucker for a huge profit.  Anyway, you buy the obviously legit watch and take it home and about a week later you take it to a pawnshop where they inspect it and tell you, "Yaep, this one's counterfeit."  But thank the lord we had that rule, for who knows just how much worse that situation could've been?  You could've been sold a slice of old cheese for all you know!

with the right rules and with moderators that have the time to sort it out this forum could be 10x beter than it is now


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: greyhawk on July 02, 2013, 12:51:48 PM
You could've been sold a slice of old cheese for all you know!

I've received reports of armed attacks on shipments. There's not enough cheese to go around, and the underclasses are starting to get desperate.



If the underclass has not enough cheese, they should just eat cake instead.

Mmm. I hope you're not underestimating the problem. Intelligence suggests they're behind the problems in Paris.

with the right rules and with moderators that have the time to sort it out this forum could be 10x beter than it is now

Again, what you're suggesting is diametrically opposed to the mindset of the majority of forum users. You'll have to build your own treehouse with a "no libertarians/anarchists allowed" sign.


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: BadBear on July 02, 2013, 03:36:20 PM
The alt-coins forum doesn't need to be nuked. It simply needs aggressive moderation to remove scamcoins.

Might as well just nuke it from orbit.


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: jackjack on July 02, 2013, 05:14:41 PM
altcoins are were all the gpus are going to be ( i have 83 7950s mining altcoins and i make over 3x what i would mining bitcoin  :) )
And this is exactly why Bitcoin will always spit on the current altcoins: Bitcoin is an ideal, whereas altcoins are just what butthurt GPU miners imagined to try to be less butthurt.


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: zackclark70 on July 02, 2013, 07:17:25 PM
The alt-coins forum doesn't need to be nuked. It simply needs aggressive moderation to remove scamcoins.

Might as well just nuke it from orbit.

pull some strings ant let me sort out the altcoin section it could easily be done its just the mods profit to much from all the scams


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: greyhawk on July 02, 2013, 07:37:25 PM
The alt-coins forum doesn't need to be nuked. It simply needs aggressive moderation to remove scamcoins.

Might as well just nuke it from orbit.

pull some strings ant let me sort out the altcoin section it could easily be done its just the mods profit to much from all the scams

You have already demonstrated your inability to function as a mod in this forum by your willingness to weed out "what you feel is not right". Asking to be handed the weed whackers personally as well as your earlier request for someone to hand you an altcoin forum of your own complete with admin keys just cements you as a power hungry would-be dictator utterly unsuited for a mod role.

Nothing stops you from building your own tyrannical hegemony on the net though. The only problem might be: if you build it they wont come.


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: zackclark70 on July 02, 2013, 07:58:14 PM
The alt-coins forum doesn't need to be nuked. It simply needs aggressive moderation to remove scamcoins.

Might as well just nuke it from orbit.

pull some strings ant let me sort out the altcoin section it could easily be done its just the mods profit to much from all the scams

You have already demonstrated your inability to function as a mod in this forum by your willingness to weed out "what you feel is not right". Asking to be handed the weed whackers personally as well as your earlier request for someone to hand you an altcoin forum of your own complete with admin keys just cements you as a power hungry would-be dictator utterly unsuited for a mod role.

Nothing stops you from building your own tyrannical hegemony on the net though. The only problem might be: if you build it they wont come.

I have no intention of dictating what people say there is only a handful of threads that I would delete all I would like to do is

tidy up by categorising the threads
( making it easy to navigate threw the junk as all junk would end up in the other category )


I would like to find away to stop all the useless spam but that's not going to happen over night !!



what I would ask for is that 5 category's are made in the altcoin section

1 announcement threads
2 altcoin help threads
3 altcoin buying/selling/trading
4 givaways
5 other

I am not asking for full mod privileges what I would like is for the 5 category's and to only given the power to move threads into the 5 categories nothing more


Title: Re: suggestions on improving the forum
Post by: zackclark70 on July 02, 2013, 10:44:20 PM
what it needs is for the mods to agree to transfer over the altcoin section to a new forum other than that we are stuck here as all the info is here