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Alright so we blasted through the big goal of $10,000, went up to ~$11,500, and then experienced a correction and now it's hanging around 9500 - 10750 basically.

We've got a month left in the year. How high do you think we'll go?

I think we'll be somewhere in the $13k-$15k range come new years. Rising a thousand dollars isn't a big deal anymore now that it has crossed $10k, so next real barrier is maybe $15k and definitely $20k. Hitting $13k-15k by new years should put BTC on track to hit $20k in the first quarter of the year, which in turns sets up a good possibility of hitting $50k next year.

We need to consolidate the price around $9500-$10000 for a week or so before we attempt to break the all time high. If the all time high is broken, then we can go into another FOMO frenzy reaching these kind of prices, but I think it would be healthy to stop for a while and consolidate, ideally above $10000, but if we stay around that nice $9500-$10000 range we are still in a good position. If we keep retesting lower prices we may dip for a while until the next year FOMO frenzy kicks in again as all the idiots that still didn't buy this cheap finally do. CME, Nasdaq futures and Lightning network will make it go $50,000 by the end of 2018, pretty easily in fact.

We are going back to sub 7,000 as we speak. Possibly a bear market for 2 years like last time.

Under 9k I think, BCH will rise
Decentralized system = decentralized vallue

How sure you on that about what you are saying?  Do you have any proof that bitcoin will go back again at $7000?
So far that price you are saying is somehow impossible to happen.

i doubt that we will see the price around $13.000~$15.000,
because we made a quick move for the past few days which is not a sign for a long run.
usually when we're seeing a bullrun movement there'll be a huge upward movement for a day and then stabilize.
but right now we're seeing a huge spike that caused the price broke $11.000 level for couple hours.
afterward the price made a huge move caused the price moving downward and reaching below $10.000,
just look at it right now,the price breaking $9000 level and retracing back.
which mean we'll see a huge downward movement and then starting to stabilize ourself in around $7000~ more or less.
let see how far it will go down,

I don't know but i trust bitcoin with all my money since then bitcoin is the best digital currency id used entire my life and yet other says bitcoin price will be at the maximum price of $1million dollars which is by 2020 so we can see that theres a posibilities that bitcoin will become $20,000 or more this comming 2018 and or before the year ends.

Still bitcoin price is highly swinging the price dropped to $9500 so I think bitcoin need some time to recover from this drop.I hope the price of bitcoin at the time of new year will be around $12K to $13K and maybe finish the year 2018 with more than $25k.

That would be sweet but I doubt it will happen. And 2 years is way to much. in 2013 were 2 spikes April and November and bear trend only last a year. 2014. "015 was already growth. slow but steady.
Personally I would love to see that Bitcoin price falls sub 5k and hangs there till mid 2018 but there is not that much chances for that.

Why 5K? Why not 1K? For me no matter the price of bitcoin. I am a supporter of the bitcoin has remained stable. I logically understand that it is impossible to do nothing and still make money. It does not happen. This price increase will lead to a fall. But we can not change. Someone makes a bitcoin bubble. Nothing depends on us and we can only observe.

hmm current price 10,000, that's not close to sub 7000 haha.
2 years hahaha, good one.

I'm assuming you're just trolling to get responses though.

No. j753k is right. We're in a long term down trend now, clearly. In fact, this will be the longest term down trend -- the final one. Sorry.

I agree with pretty much everything you said (except I don't think LN will hit in 2018 and I'm not even sure it'll end up being the best second layer solution). I do think it will consolidate between 9500-10500 for the most part, but that'll probably only last a few days. Buy pressure too strong at these prices to keep it in consolidation for very long.

Yeah if things go well in 2018 $50k is totally doable. If it ends the year even at just $12k, and next year the doubling rate slows down from ~3.5 months this year to 6 months for next year, that puts it at $48k end of 2018. And if hedge funds and ETFs enter the Bitcoin space next year there is no way the doubling rate slows all the way down to 6 months so that would mean very high chance of over $50k in 2018, possibly significantly higher than $50k.

 ;) :D ;D :P

Bitcoin price is going high and end of the year the price will be more high so I believe that a lot of people are waiting for this moment because last year the bitcoin price become very high end of the year so I think bitcoin in this year bitcoin achieved a lot of goals and that the reason that bitcoin price will go high I myself keep on hold a lot of bitcoin and I was waiting for end of the years and I’m hundred present sure that the price will be very high.

What should happen with bitcoin at the beginning of the next year? I'm always trying to understand the logic of people saying that after the end of this year some trigger will be pulled and the price will rush down.
My own prediction: we gona have a huge dump in the next year. The price of btc at 30 dec 2018 will depend on the date of the beginning of this dump. If it will be at the first part of the year then we may get btc at 20$k, of not then it can be below 10k. Tbh I'm mot realy sure but most of the forecasts made by pro financers are also not accurate so who cares? :)

I like the constantly increasing price of bitcoin but it is for me not the main thing. I think that the developers should concentrate on making so you can safely go to segwit2x. The sooner this happens the more promising will be the bitcoin. We now need to prepare for the growth in the number of transactions.

I predict the price will get the last pump by the end of 2017 (12/ 20-25) so we will get more 2-3k$.

price will be between (12,500$-13,500$) at 2018/1/1.

No one can know what will happen in future but hope to be a happy year for  Bitcoin.

I think the price of bitcoin will reach 12000$.In next year it may touch the value of 13500$,so if you want to sell at 13000$ means you have to wait till January.

Everyone was think that bitcoin price to touch the 10k but soon bitcoin reached that value in the chart. But unfortunately after 11k crossed in the chart we find the little dump in the price. Let hope this time we find the recover how we find the last three months.
My prediction about the value is around 11k to 12k in the chart. I am really worry that fees in every wallet is consider as same in bitcoin I feel that they are measuring the fees in fiat. Still fees are high in every wallet provider site.

I will say $15k+ is possible if current trends continues, hype over bitcoin future is also causing some surge in price and it is not correcting much even after huge surge these days which shows good buy support. There is almost no significant resistance at $13k upto $15k so I think yes it is possible within end of this year.

If the ongoing growth rate continues, surely it'll reach $13000 - $15000 before the year end. This has got increased chances, because the growth is happening with altcoins too. This makes the market so stronger, providing path for growth and reach the next price barriers.

Actually the price of bitcoin already reached 11000$ ,then it reduce some due to most of the holders waited for that reach and sell their bitcoin. So as in all assets when most Investors sold their assets means,the price of that assets automatically will dump in price. After the price dump many will again start to inverse ,then the value of asset will again raise back to old value this is the thing happened here.Without this dump the year ends means, it may be the chance of 15k,But it will only reach 13-14 max due to this dump.

The "pro financers" you are referring to base everything they say on traditional markets, and from there just assume that the same applies to Bitcoin's market, which we have seen isn't the case at all. Recently the far majority of the predictions have been far off, even from those who actually understand how this market works. It's more or less blind panic rage that's going through the market, and this is something that's impossible to read out. We might see this market shoot up all the way till $40/$50K before the block halving in 2020 takes place, or we might at some point fall back massively again. I use wide figures and time frames because of the fact that there is no way to find out what's going to happen in times where literally anything can happen. Take in mind that this is still the pre institution phase, where from the moment they enter things will get a whole lot more interesting.

Yeah price is at 9.5k and this thing is really giving panicking situation to the investors who invested into bitcoin recently and still there are many people out there who are hopeful that price will fall back to the 8k but this thing is not possible as after two to three hours price will become in the rising state and then the next stopping price at the end will be much more than 14k so wait and wait the coming swing of bitcoin.

No one can give your right number but adding 1,500$  every week it’s pretty so 4,500 total or 5000 .
11,200 + 5,000 = 16,200$  it is simple and we can add more when more people invest.
i can add other 4000 dollar so total will be round 16000 to 20000 or more
no one can say price will be down

What can I say, in August my prediction for the end of this year was 7000 dollars, when people doubt in that I was repeating that and you can check that in my post history. Bitcoin was 7000 dollars month ago, now its around 11000 dollars and market cap is higher then ever before. This rise will not stop and maybe price can grow another 5000 dollars, even I'm here for years bitcoin keeps surprising me in a good way, I believe we still don't know how strong bitcoin can be.

Bitcoin has a certain set of downtime points, which is very comfortable after these points have passed. It is quite possible that it is possible to pass the current resistance point without dropping to the previous resistance point and fall below 10,000 dollars at the end of 2017. For Christmas shopping and entertainment, people will need the money. My guess as end of 2017 price is 9500 dollars .

Bitcoin normally goes up, not down, in December. People have this idea that it must automatically drop during holiday season, but these people have never actually checked the history to see if that is true, and it isn't. Almost every single December Bitcoin has gone up in price. Most people buy what they can afford to buy and hold it, not buy what they can't afford and then have to sell it anytime they need a little money.

Seeing as how a correction just finished if anything we should be a good bit higher at end of the year than the mid-11,000s we're at now.

If bitcoin is planning to decrease as a rule, he demonstrates a different behavior. Once bitcoin reaches the point of resistance, he falls to its minimum level. It is some time on this level and then makes a sharp jump to a new high. Now we see that bitcoin was fixed at the level of 10-11 thousand dollars. This means that the next leap will be around 14,000 dollars. Then the price fixates 11-12 thousand dollars in case of a rollback.

Bitcoin price raise from 5500  to 11800  less than a month. What do you expect after such huge jump ?

My prediction is that Bitcoin value will go up to 17000$ by the end of this year 2017  . IN the past weeks Bitcoin didn't stop growing up , It falls down from 10.000$  then grows up to 11000$ I can't predict exact the number of Bitcoin in the end of the year 2017 , but I hope that 2018  it's going to be a good one , with great profit with Bitcoin .  Bitcoin   raised up from 6000 to 11000 in just  a month , what do tou think its going to happend in this month , i think  that will going  reach 20000$ , in just this month.

Bitcoin successfully managed to go from 7385$ per coin to an all time high 11849$ per coin thus making a little over than 4000 dollars of profits in just one month !
This is nothing less than a revolution in the modern's world economy that no one can deny , and an unprecedented achievement in the cryptocurrencies land .

And even tho hopeless attempts to harm bitcoin's growth path have been made by what we may call shit coins that have been developed and launched by the same people , the upper limit of bitcoin can't be predicted since we don't really know how much bumping can people do in a very short amount of time .

Bitcoin is by far superior to any other altcoin and there isn't any competitor that has enough weight to start a race with bitcoin , furthermore people are getting rid of their shit coins in order to invest more in bitcoin and that will only make this fantastic invention much stronger .

You seem mighty sure of that. Remember, trading analysis can only take you so far as long as you don't understand market psychology. We are facing mild mainstream interest (2018-2019 are the years that will either make or break crypto, imo) and pullback might not come as soon as some you seem to think.

In my own opinion, I think the price will settle to 15k$ plus, it will go to the moon when December ends I think, people will have their bonuses at work and some will find something for investment and because cryptocurrencies are being famous, investors will go to cryptocurrency and the demand will grow. I also think that after December it will settle of to 14k$ and will have a price of 40k$ @ the end of the 2018.


13k-25k is a large leap of price, it would take a month for the price to be that high. I even heard that the bank of Indonesia will ban cryptocurrencies in 2018, true or not if this will happen, it will be a huge factor on BTC price especially because there are so many Indonesian citizen in this community.

Seems like BTC is sustaining its $11k price right now. We still haven't seem a drop after a brief drop to 9k, so there might be another price correction before the end of the year or probably we can see $12k

Looks to me like the price is stabilizing and building momentum right now just below its ATH. Based off this I'm expecting it to break $12,000 in the next day or two.

From my point of views that the price of bitcoin at the end of this year is approx $13000 - $15000 . Now the time the price of bitcoin is $10000 and the demand of bitcoin is countinously increases by the people reguraly . People attached more towards the bitcoin because bitcoin help the people more like financially and full fill their need. So the price of bitcoin is also increases day by day and it may reaches to $15000 at the end of this year

yes, $12k maybe is the next higher price for bitcoin at the end of this year. I hope that correction price does not drop too far because if this is happening, maybe people still get panic and they do fast selling their bitcoin. it seems the price is around $10k-$11k so maybe if there is correction price happen, the price will down to $9k.

The demand is increasing every single moment and what is really driving that demand is unknown yet except the belief that CME futures entrance into the market is. So far the momentum has been high and that has been generating some concerns though that there may be some pull back afterwards. For now, bitcoin seems unpredictable as it has broken past all odds, so we just get to keep watching where it all leads us.

$13,000 is realistic and believable up to $15,000 unlike those other predictors are saying it can possibly go at $20,000 for this year end. We are near to $13,000 and there's a possibility that everything can be seen as everything is always special to bitcoin, it always give us surprises.

I never know the price that occurred at the end of 2017, but i strongly believe that bitcoin is the best digital currency right now in the world.
So i am very optimistic that by the end of this year the bitcoin price could reach $ 15,000 per coin, as i see the current price chart slowly showing an increase and it is not wrong if i predict that by 2018 bitcoin prices could reach $ 20,000 per coin even more.

Anything can happen to bitcoin price because bitcoin has ability to rise few thousand USDs in few days,but $20K by end of the year looks impossibe I predict that bitcoin will end this year with $15K.
And also possiblility for price correction will occur because the price keeps increasing throughout the year without any price correction so price correction may occur at $15K and price will dip little after reaching this price.

I'd say that 15000$by the end of the year is not very realistic and to 12000$ we are very close. But everything depends on the situation on the market in the upcoming period and if the price will go on the wave of current rise up and high demand surprises are possible. But just in case I'm ready also for some corrections.

Probably we are gonna end up to 13,000 USD because its the nearest price for 11,000 and I would think people are still thinking twice or maybe thrice before investing in bitcoin which why I think the demand for bitcoin would not be sufficient to get the price at 15,000 USD by the end of the year. But anything can go right or wrong so who knows bitcoin has surprised time and time again.

People will be looking for pullbacks @ $15k and $20k.  Other upward numbers don't matter as much as these round numbers right now.

A few weeks ago I would've said 12k but that looks like falling in a matter of hours or days, so I'm guessing $13-$15k is a good region but maybe we will go even higher towards maybe $16-$18k. Bitcoin has a very strong upward momentum the last months.

It's possible it could go higher than $15k before the end of the year sure, but if it does get higher than $15k that quickly there will no doubt be a correction. A lot of the November growth was from bullishness from futures markets. That is priced in now, so I don't think growth will be as crazy as November anymore. I mean it nearly doubled in one month haha. So I think $2k-$4k growth up to that $13k-$15k level in December would be good and would not require a correction.

I am sure that the price of bitcoin will cross 15k$ +  at the end of this year.Even it may reach more then that value.Bitcoin has more potential and power to raise that value.If you get some dollar for New year treat means,you can inverse now.

I think that price will fall dawn because of holidays, people need to get ready to Christmas

Historically this has never happened. Bitcoin has increased in price just about every December. People don't risking their holiday money on an investment with very high volatility.

Compare it to the chart last year. People are even buying more crypto's during holiday season. They are wise enough to spend more money than to spend it for buying gifts and taking vacation leaves. Everyone is wealthy during this season but at this moment it is totally different. Many are choosing to invest more with bitcoin and other crypto related investments rather than spending it to an expensive gifts.

One potentially big thing happening before this end of this year is that not one but two different Bitcoin Futures markets will be opening in the US in December, starting Dec. 11.  It is unclear if this will be good/bad/indifferent for BTC price but it could cause a move one way or the other.

Personally I'm expecting:
end of 2017: $13k
end of 2018: $25-30k
end of 2019: $50-60k
Mid 2020: $100k

Fingers crossed!

Today price of the bitcoin is already 11,600 dollars plu and I think it will increase more so we can make more profit if the price will increase very high. I think the possible price of the bitcoin before end of this year 2017 will be 12k dollars upto 15k dollars. Buy more bitcoin and keep holding bitcoin and wait the price to increase more and sell it to make more profit.

Nice. I like the predictions. I think 2018 and 2019 it'll go a bit higher than that but I wouldn't complain about those numbers :)

Well that was already reached today,and seems that the upward trend continues,until now the market has continued to evolve favorably,every time you talk about a cap is reached,the approach is effectively how long it will be sustainable.

Nearing ($500 away) $13k as we speak......correction might follow though in the next days.

Expect to double your value of bitcoin each year as many expect. I think the value of bitcoin in the future will not deviate much from your expectations. It could even be better.

$15,000+ in my opinion.

if we see the price, I think the trend shows the price will increase more and maybe will be more than $13k and I hope it will reach $15k. maybe we can see $15k in this december and we still have much time to see the price increase. so I think we can prepare to place our selling order taking profit but if the price is getting down for a while, then we can start to buy more bitcoin so we can sell at the higher price later.

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My prediction on the end of 2017 is bitcoin price will go $14000 or $14500 as long as investors will keep investing the price will continue to increase and I would be glad if it will just continue to increase i mean we will all be glad if that happens.

Maybe we'll find a place on top of it all, as long as investors keep pressing there will be a time to touch $15,000 year-end or maybe more than this. I was just thinking about when the big correction, Scratch one's head. I just feel afraid it will be back to $10k again.

we get 13$k today so maybe we get more than 15k by the end of 2017

crazy bitcoin keep incrase

It looks that way, 12k was broken as I said and even 13k wasn't too far away from being breached. Sadly even if I were to get a new year gift it's not enough of an investment that it's really worthwhile! Better do some work instead and invest that money  :-[

15k+ in euro's  ;D

Bitcoin could be reach possibly more than $15k with its movement in the market. I am confident it will reach because of bitcoin popularity it bring awareness to the users. So, once it has continues support from the users bitcoin may hit the price more than that.

I don't get all this talk about "the big crash coming". Are you guys not paying attention to what has been going on this year. Yes there used to be big crashes when Bitcoin was tiny and hardly anyone knew about it so there wasn't much of a network effect therefore there wasn't much money sitting on the side when crashed came, so it would take 6 months or so for the price to recover. Late 2013 crash can't be included because that was prolonged enormously by the Mt. Gox hack/crash.

The "big crash" has already come multiple times this year. Since Bitcoin start going bananas in the spring we've had crashes/corrections that took us back to right around what the price was before each run-up. That June/July crash lasted a month and a half until the price came all the way back up, when Bitcoin was smaller that would have taken half a year. The september crash was also over a month, years ago that would have taken half a year. The two november crashes only lasted about a week each, years ago they would have taken half a year to come back up.

We're on an s-curve of adoption. And 2017 was the true start to the climb up the spine of the "S". This means everything is happening much quicker. While the percentage booms/busts aren't as big as in the early days because it's much harder to move a much larger price point, the period of the boom-bust cycle has shortened dramatically. These are still "the big crash" that Bitcoin used to experience, as all these correction go back to around where the boom of that cycle started, but its all at an incredibly sped up timeline because we're at the start of Bitcoin mass adoption.

Here's some of the big boom-bust cycles (approximate prices from off the top of my head):
$2   -  $30    -  $3
$50 -  $200  -  $60
$100 - $1100 - $200
$1400 - $3000 - $1750
$3000 - $5000 - $2950
$5000 - $7800 - $5500
$7800 - $11400 - $8400

Next one:
$11400 - $16k??? - $12k???

Only difference is the size of Bitcoin has increased leading to small boom-bust cycles whose period is much quicker. So there is no "big crash" coming, we're just getting them regularly now and they don't last nearly as long as they used to.

$15,000 is what on my mind too as we are getting close to the ending date of this year chances of seeing this price is still possible. I'm not into saying that it was difficult to be reached but instead it is very easy, I have read that 2018 will be another great year for bitcoin as $20,000 is the speculation of most and definitely going to be reached. This end of the year will be one of the best and will lead to a great opening year of the next one.

It will be much more high and especially in next week because its end of the year and if we start to do analysis of bitcoin with last year’s so you will understand clearly that every end of the year bitcoin price reached to the highest price and this year also it going to happen so we need to wait little more than there is a big change coming in our life and this year was also better than last year because bitcoin is accepted to many countries in this year.

things as they are - we can see the market has suffered no dump today after yesterday nights big moves, in fact it appears to be lining up for another upturn - point to 17-18k by xmas, best case 20k.

in fact it looks on recent evidence that attempted dumps are now being exposed for what they actually are and either being laughed at or ignored completely.

its clearly gone exponential.

While I certainly see some logic in your point the obvious thing to point out is that it isn't possible at all to say if those crashes this year were 'big' crashes or merely just blips and minor warnings for what is to come? Actually I'm in agreement we won't see such a big crash but just because bitcoin is becoming more popular does not mean this, in fact it probably lends itself to the opposite.

Right now, I do not know what will be the price of bitcoin by the end of this year. Now, the price of bitcoin is very unpredictable. Yesterday it's 650K pesos now its 718K pesos. I do not see any reason for now to dump but I am still worrying about the next dump

Well, in my humble opinion, I think that bitcoin should be over 15,000 or there is such an option that it will reach this mark now it will drop a little and come back

Not a bad prediction at all.

I think we may actually see another burst in price. Since it's holiday season i think it'll be interesting to see whether or not people give bitcoin to each other as Christmas and New year gifts and therefore inspire more people to invest in BTC. If this is true, then we can definitely see some sparks of brilliance from bitcoin price again.

This momentum alone should be able to push us over the $15k resistance, though, expect some dips. Don't panic, rather grab the opportunity and if a dip does occur, buy it as hard as you can.

Exactly, everyone should be satisfied with these numbers though it can still go more and expect that by the year 2018 everything will be better. And still on this prediction that at the end of the year $13,000 - $15,000 has been passed, so we had to move for another greater number.

Price is currently at 11.3k and as it falls back from the 11.8k and all this was just because of selling people sell their coins to get profit because they are waiting for this moment from a long time and all this fall will be overcome in coming four to five hours and then prices will be in steady manner and maybe price will end up with 15k or more all this is depending on the investor no that how many will come and join bitcoin,

$15k already achieved today so lets hope for even bigger number in coming days and don't be surprised if it achieves the price of $20k in next week and if it does then it would be an win win situation for all the users of bitcoins.

Damn its gone from $11k to $15k in what 3 days? This is too insane. There's gotta be a correction coming in the next few days.

No correction will be coming mate this is because of supply demand all the people here are bit satisfied with the price and they don’t need any of correction and they want to continue the same flow in future so that the earning profit can be more faster for them, and till the end of year prices will climb up to the 25k and I am sure most of people will agree with me because bitcoin has increment of 4 thousand dollar in 2 days.

Unexpectedly growth of bitcoin was too faster due to in demand stocks of this crypto currency in digital community. I was not shocked when bitcoin value touches almost $17,000 and above the highest peak in the current.

I guess before end of this year bitcoin value will be flat into $20,000 or less. Increasing fast of bitcoin was due to high numbers of remittances happen this week. Many people buy bitcoin because sending of this thing is much easy compared to sending in other remittances center.

To find exact price of bitcoin I think it’s very difficult but its very clear and confirm that the price of bitcoin will be high and it’s also confirm that bitcoin will reached to the record price this year if we compare the price of bitcoin with last year so its price is very high then before and that one of the good quality in bitcoin that it trying to push it price from high to highest that why everyone want to join bitcoin and next year its users will be more increased then this year which will make bitcoin more a strong and powerful.

The end of 2017 the price predictions will be in the range of  $13k-$15k  definitely because the price reach $17 k arround and fall down $12k -13k and it's in $14k so it continues goes up and down and it reached a record price comparison of last year but it rate was not constant so in the end of December last it continues happen like this only in between this chistmase also there so the end of this year suerly price predictions in between $13k -$15k absolutely.

Well in my own point of view I think bitcoin will continue to in increase as the month goes by. It happen that BTC already reaches $17,000-$18,000 last week. And now it gradually fall down without a clear vision what is affecting with it that cause fall down. But im sure after this quite fall down bitcoin will rises again and reach $19,000-$20,000 before the end of the year. We all know that bitcoin can do it because of the huge demand in the market.

Umm what? You wrote there will be no correction literally after the correction had already happened and is still happening. What are you talking about? Price hit $19k (at least on GDAX) and is now $14k and has twice fallen under $14k. You don't call that a correction??!?

As I said there would be a correction and there has been one. Hopefully we've already hit the bottom at $13.5k and we'll continue rising a bit this month.

Why not make it $20k? There are big investors coming this sunday and I think it'll be the reason of becoming the price of bitcoin to burst up. Or maybe more than $20k after Sunday. Then hard fork is also coming on Dec 15 we all don't know, there is also possibility that bitcoin price can increase also or maybe decrease a little.

Maybe the end of the year is just like the $13k- $15k title. The price difference in recent days is too great. Time to buy in bitcoin and wait for the new year will come.

It is really possible just like you have said. However, the hype has been pretty too much lately so I am not sure what the aftermath of the launch of the BTC future is going to be like, but a whole lot of people are expecting a huge correction which I am really looking forward to, to buy anyway. Nevertheless, the price prediction around $18-$20k sounds pretty reasonable if we do not get anything to pull us back after then.