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Title: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: SgtSpike on July 20, 2013, 06:00:39 AM
I have a list of around 35,000 addresses that I would like recorded in the blockchain.  PM me for the list of addresses if you are serious about completing this bounty, and include the timeline in which you expect to complete the offer.  Send 1 satoshi to each address on the list via sendmany, send me proof of doing so by sending me the transaction ID(s) you generated, and I will send you 1 BTC once all transactions have confirmed.  You must cover the fees, which I expect to total around 0.6 BTC, but could be less.  I did a test with 2,000 addresses, and the fee was 0.0345 BTC.

Quicker is better, but if you do not complete the job within the timeline you specify, then I may send the job to another willing participant, and I will not reimburse you for whatever efforts you have made up to that point.  I will, however, PM you back to let you know if the job has been sent to someone else.


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: hl5460 on July 20, 2013, 07:13:07 AM
Well, maybe OP should place a bounty for an app for this purpose.


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: SgtSpike on July 20, 2013, 07:29:51 AM
that is a lot of work for 40$
Is it?  I was hoping some people would already have an easy way to use sendmany.

Well, maybe OP should place a bounty for an app for this purpose.
I don't necessarily want an app, I just want it done.  I know many people use sendmany for a variety of reasons - it's not a new thing.


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: DiamondCardz on July 20, 2013, 07:37:13 AM
Technically you could force send a 35,000 sat transaction with a very small fee (~0.1 BTC) or no fee at all, it'd just take a very long time to confirm. But a sendmany of 35,000 addresses? That's complete blockchain spam, might cause some issues.


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on July 20, 2013, 08:14:12 AM
Please don't do this and spam the blockchain.


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: Super T on July 20, 2013, 08:51:59 AM
Why should OP not be allowed to do this?  The blockchain is a fantastic tool for innovation far beyond currency transactions, but more fundamentally, this stuff is either allowed or it is not, and the judgement of what is allowed should not be open to interpretation, it should be the boundary of what is technically possible.

If there are reasons why this sort of thing should be prevented, then either the platform needs to be improved to better cope with the impact, or the activity needs to be systemically prohibited, the focus should be on platform evolution through innovation, not on telling off community members who are playing within the rules (albeit at the boundaries).

Just my 2c.


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: DiamondCardz on July 20, 2013, 08:58:08 AM
Why should OP not be allowed to do this?  The blockchain is a fantastic tool for innovation far beyond currency transactions, but more fundamentally, this stuff is either allowed or it is not, and the judgement of what is allowed should not be open to interpretation, it should be the boundary of what is technically possible.

If there are reasons why this sort of thing should be prevented, then either the platform needs to be improved to better cope with the impact, or the activity needs to be systemically prohibited, the focus should be on platform evolution through innovation, not on telling off community members who are playing within the rules (albeit at the boundaries).

Just my 2c.

The transaction would take up so much space that a block probably wouldn't be able to cope with many other transactions in the block that the big tx is included in, so everyone else has to wait much longer for confirmations.


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: Bitsky on July 20, 2013, 09:24:39 AM
Doesn't that conflict with the recent protocol change to reduce spam where you cannot spend single satoshis anymore?

Also, if a public protocol has to rely on "please don't do it because it would cause problems" then the protocol is desgined to fail.
The blockchain has to be able to deal with such a transaction, either by successfully processing it, or by rejecting it.
Otherwise Bitcoin would be instantly ddos'ed if this transaction would be a problem.


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: jacktarli on July 20, 2013, 11:53:55 AM
How do bounties work? What will you gain by sending BTC to all these addresses? Someone please explain in detail, thanks!


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: Abdussamad on July 20, 2013, 01:43:20 PM
that is a lot of work for 40$
Is it?  I was hoping some people would already have an easy way to use sendmany.


Yeah we all have scripts lying around that do just that... Sending a Satoshi to 35k addresses is like my hobby.


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: MPOE-PR on July 20, 2013, 02:23:17 PM
that is a lot of work for 40$
Is it?  I was hoping some people would already have an easy way to use sendmany.


Yeah we all have scripts lying around that do just that... Sending a Satoshi to 35k addresses is like my hobby.

Thread was kinda meh but snark saved it.


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: SgtSpike on July 20, 2013, 04:37:18 PM
Doesn't that conflict with the recent protocol change to reduce spam where you cannot spend single satoshis anymore?

Also, if a public protocol has to rely on "please don't do it because it would cause problems" then the protocol is desgined to fail.
The blockchain has to be able to deal with such a transaction, either by successfully processing it, or by rejecting it.
Otherwise Bitcoin would be instantly ddos'ed if this transaction would be a problem.

They wouldn't be spendable without adding to the balance in a given address, you are correct.

How do bounties work? What will you gain by sending BTC to all these addresses? Someone please explain in detail, thanks!
It just means I will send you 1 BTC when the action is complete.  It's not something that happens automatically.

that is a lot of work for 40$
Is it?  I was hoping some people would already have an easy way to use sendmany.


Yeah we all have scripts lying around that do just that... Sending a Satoshi to 35k addresses is like my hobby.
Great!  Please PM me for the list of addresses so you can get right on that!


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: Voodah on July 20, 2013, 10:37:50 PM
Guys please stop the sad "don't do it / spam! / w/e" argument...

35000 is nothing.  One small e-mail spam campaign has 50k addresses, and single mail servers handle that.

If our uber p2p fiat-killer protocol can't handle that, then FUCK US ALL. What the hell are we doing here?

We might as well go and just start a vegetable garden if caution is all we can handle.


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: Abdussamad on July 21, 2013, 04:10:53 AM
The problem is that the OP is being very cheap. He sells first bit addresses for $20 a pop on his site but wants to pay us (0.4*85/35000)= a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a US cent per address.


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: Mooshire on July 21, 2013, 04:19:57 AM
If you can't run your business yourself, don't ask other people to do the hard parts for you.


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: SgtSpike on July 21, 2013, 04:43:24 AM
The problem is that the OP is being very cheap. He sells first bit addresses for $20 a pop on his site but wants to pay us (0.4*85/35000)= a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a US cent per address.
I am open to offers.

If you can't run your business yourself, don't ask other people to do the hard parts for you.
I'm outsourcing... why is that a problem for you?


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: vm1990 on July 21, 2013, 02:21:00 PM
i dont think it would affect the blockchain that much as the transactions would have little to no fees included so they will constantly get pushed into different block, it would also take about a week to get all the transactions through the block chain XD


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: Lohoris on July 21, 2013, 02:25:05 PM
Also, if a public protocol has to rely on "please don't do it because it would cause problems" then the protocol is desgined to fail.
The blockchain has to be able to deal with such a transaction, either by successfully processing it, or by rejecting it.
Otherwise Bitcoin would be instantly ddos'ed if this transaction would be a problem.
+1

You can't just hope "everyone will be nice and good", especially since you can enforce rules.


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: grue on July 21, 2013, 02:58:42 PM
I have a list of around 35,000 addresses that I would like recorded in the blockchain.
let me guess: you're squatting firstbits addresses?


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: btcton on July 21, 2013, 02:59:17 PM
Doesn't that conflict with the recent protocol change to reduce spam where you cannot spend single satoshis anymore?

Also, if a public protocol has to rely on "please don't do it because it would cause problems" then the protocol is desgined to fail.
The blockchain has to be able to deal with such a transaction, either by successfully processing it, or by rejecting it.
Otherwise Bitcoin would be instantly ddos'ed if this transaction would be a problem.

Totally agree with you here.


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: Voodah on July 21, 2013, 09:55:42 PM
Forgot the blockchain spam. That's BS.

A lot more jackass than the blockchain spam is the mass acumulation and hoarding of first bits.

You know, in my country domain names are free to register, and we got the same kind of greedy people running crazy bots and the such to be able to register as much as possible. Thankfully they later had to and were able to cap it on a per person basis, but the damage was already done. We will not even be that lucky here. These abuses will ran rampart.

"Hey, here is a free amazing resource BTC has which, incidentally, is great for newbies, usability and further adoption."

"Oh cool. IMPERIALIST MODE ON. Let me capture them all before anyone finds out, and then sell for 20 a pop out of thin air."

Nothing further from the ideals of BTC and precisely the opposite of what we need right now IMHO, but I can't however negate the fact that a free market is a free market after all.


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: Lohoris on July 21, 2013, 10:46:35 PM
A lot more jackass than the blockchain spam is the mass acumulation and hoarding of first bits.

You know, in my country domain names are free to register, and we got the same kind of greedy people running crazy bots and the such to be able to register as much as possible. Thankfully they later had to and were able to cap it on a per person basis, but the damage was already done. We will not even be that lucky here. These abuses will ran rampart.
Yeah, I guess this is one of the reasons why firstbits is considered by many a flawed idea.
Now I agree.


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: SgtSpike on July 22, 2013, 04:20:56 AM
Forgot the blockchain spam. That's BS.

A lot more jackass than the blockchain spam is the mass acumulation and hoarding of first bits.

You know, in my country domain names are free to register, and we got the same kind of greedy people running crazy bots and the such to be able to register as much as possible. Thankfully they later had to and were able to cap it on a per person basis, but the damage was already done. We will not even be that lucky here. These abuses will ran rampart.

"Hey, here is a free amazing resource BTC has which, incidentally, is great for newbies, usability and further adoption."

"Oh cool. IMPERIALIST MODE ON. Let me capture them all before anyone finds out, and then sell for 20 a pop out of thin air."

Nothing further from the ideals of BTC and precisely the opposite of what we need right now IMHO, but I can't however negate the fact that a free market is a free market after all.
Well, the actual plan is less about jacking them and reselling them, and more about putting them on physical bitcoins, because I think that is a fantastic use for them.


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: btcton on July 22, 2013, 04:51:04 AM
Forgot the blockchain spam. That's BS.

A lot more jackass than the blockchain spam is the mass acumulation and hoarding of first bits.

You know, in my country domain names are free to register, and we got the same kind of greedy people running crazy bots and the such to be able to register as much as possible. Thankfully they later had to and were able to cap it on a per person basis, but the damage was already done. We will not even be that lucky here. These abuses will ran rampart.

"Hey, here is a free amazing resource BTC has which, incidentally, is great for newbies, usability and further adoption."

"Oh cool. IMPERIALIST MODE ON. Let me capture them all before anyone finds out, and then sell for 20 a pop out of thin air."

Nothing further from the ideals of BTC and precisely the opposite of what we need right now IMHO, but I can't however negate the fact that a free market is a free market after all.
I'm at loss here, what do you mean by firstbits?


Title: Re: [BOUNTY] 1 BTC for sending BTC to addresses via sendmany
Post by: SgtSpike on July 22, 2013, 05:52:10 AM
Forgot the blockchain spam. That's BS.

A lot more jackass than the blockchain spam is the mass acumulation and hoarding of first bits.

You know, in my country domain names are free to register, and we got the same kind of greedy people running crazy bots and the such to be able to register as much as possible. Thankfully they later had to and were able to cap it on a per person basis, but the damage was already done. We will not even be that lucky here. These abuses will ran rampart.

"Hey, here is a free amazing resource BTC has which, incidentally, is great for newbies, usability and further adoption."

"Oh cool. IMPERIALIST MODE ON. Let me capture them all before anyone finds out, and then sell for 20 a pop out of thin air."

Nothing further from the ideals of BTC and precisely the opposite of what we need right now IMHO, but I can't however negate the fact that a free market is a free market after all.
I'm at loss here, what do you mean by firstbits?
http://firstbits.net/about.php