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Title: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: patr on July 28, 2013, 10:21:59 PM Hello everyone.
I have a little trouble with auctions. This week a won 2 auctions but the sellers did not sell it to me. I followed rules of the auction but I guess they wanted more money. So I wasted my time bidding and waiting till end of auction. These auctions are about thousand of dollars but are not fair at all. Is it possible to have some more members to lead the aution and have clear rules ? So this night I won this auction : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263381.msg2819483#msg2819483 Code: Hi, After time was over I won with 2 @ 80BTC. after half a hour the thread closed down so I could not reply anymore. This is the reaction of the senior member of the auction : Code: Hi, So This is not fair I think, Is there anyway the auctions can be more fair ? (please help me out, I don't who owns this forum) Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: pheaonix on July 28, 2013, 11:18:37 PM there are practically no rules for the auctions subforum, or this forum in general.
i highly suggest investing into this instead. you will get a much higher return. https://bitfunder.com/asset/ActiveMining Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: TheAndy500 on July 29, 2013, 12:52:34 AM Looks like you won to me. Give him some negative feedback.
Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: Birdy on July 29, 2013, 01:11:33 AM Looks like you won to me. Give him some negative feedback. This.Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: Rodyland on July 29, 2013, 01:28:31 AM Report as scammer?
Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: keatonatron on July 29, 2013, 03:25:15 AM The starting price was 80 and you bid 80... What's the problem?
When he comes back with "You were supposed to bid more than 80 btc" you should reply and say "Okay, I hereby increase my bid to 80.1 btc" ;D Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: MXRider on July 29, 2013, 04:31:06 PM I was actually surprised that there was only one PUBLIC bid in that auction.
1) Starting price was 80BTC and technicality or not, I consider your bid as invalid since you didn't bid 80.5 or more. I've been always reasonable with my trades and kept my word and this time it's no different. 2) I also wrote that I have private bids around 90-95BTC. I'm still getting PM's from people who want to bid more than 80BTC. I don't see how you won this one. Seems to me that you were just shooting lowball offers and hoping for the best. Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: Birdy on July 29, 2013, 04:41:27 PM I was actually surprised that there was only one PUBLIC bid in that auction. 1) Starting price was 80BTC and technicality or not, I consider your bid as invalid since you didn't bid 80.5 or more. I've been always reasonable with my trades and kept my word and this time it's no different. 2) I also wrote that I have private bids around 90-95BTC. I'm still getting PM's from people who want to bid more than 80BTC. I don't see how you won this one. Seems to me that you were just shooting lowball offers and hoping for the best. If you say 80 BTC is the start price, then a bid of 80 BTC is ok. Don't make the start price 80 Btc if you don't want to sell it for 80 Btc! That's not reasonable in any way. Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: patr on July 29, 2013, 04:48:08 PM I was actually surprised that there was only one PUBLIC bid in that auction. 1) Starting price was 80BTC and technicality or not, I consider your bid as invalid since you didn't bid 80.5 or more. I've been always reasonable with my trades and kept my word and this time it's no different. 2) I also wrote that I have private bids around 90-95BTC. I'm still getting PM's from people who want to bid more than 80BTC. I don't see how you won this one. Seems to me that you were just shooting lowball offers and hoping for the best. Who are you kidding? If you read reactions of all people here. Everybody agrees with me. If your a honest (adult) you admit it and make me the winner of the auction. Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: cp1 on July 29, 2013, 04:50:37 PM All you can do is leave negative trust and post in the scam accusations. This forum is like bitcoin itself -- no rules, anonymity, full of scammers. If you did win you must use escrow as you're just as likely to get scammed as get the product.
Take your 160BTC and buy 35 Asic Miner (not active miner!) shares instead. Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: patr on July 29, 2013, 04:55:13 PM All you can do is leave negative trust and post in the scam accusations. This forum is like bitcoin itself -- no rules, anonymity, full of scammers. If you did win you must use escrow as you're just as likely to get scammed as get the product. Take your 160BTC and buy 35 Asic Miner (not active miner!) shares instead. I agree but he is a senior member who is able to edit and close threads. He should be an example of fair trade that's why I started this. Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: MXRider on July 29, 2013, 05:13:26 PM Posts in the auction section can not be edited.
Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: patr on July 29, 2013, 05:16:44 PM Posts in the auction section can not be edited. The auction was closed so i was not able to post about what happend, on all other auctions i was able to do that. So it was closed somehow. I think you now more about that. Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: a2offrb on July 29, 2013, 05:19:07 PM Go to the ebay.com
Select any auction with ANY starting price. If starting price is 500USD like example, CAN YOU BID 500??? If not - > Then MXRider is right here. If you can-> Then you are right. Thats it. But as i know in auction is that thing like "Starting bid". Its also starting price. Its bid have done by OWNER. You cannot use that price as bid because its bidden already. End of story Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: cp1 on July 29, 2013, 05:20:17 PM He can close his own threads, but not other threads. So your scam accusation thread can't be closed by him.
Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: Kouye on July 29, 2013, 05:21:29 PM Seems to me that you were just shooting lowball offers and hoping for the best. He was probably hoping for the best. But he was NOT shooting lowball offers, as he bid for the starting price YOU decided. If you wanted at least 80.5 per unit, you should have stated a starting price at 80.5. This is no scam in my opinion, but it's very rude. You, also, were hoping for the best. And you lost. Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: patr on July 29, 2013, 05:24:37 PM Go to the ebay.com Select any auction with ANY starting price. If starting price is 500USD like example, CAN YOU BID 500??? If not - > Then MXRider is right here. If you can-> Then you are right. Thats it. But as i know in auction is that thing like "Starting bid". Its also starting price. Its bid have done by OWNER. You cannot use that price as bid because its bidden already. End of story This is no ebay. If you can start bidding 80BTC then I start bid 80 BTC. And any normal thinking person who start the auction would no be fair and make me the winner. This is about thousand of dollars so this would be childish. Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: grue on July 29, 2013, 05:26:57 PM see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_price https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auction Quote Alternatively, if the seller has set a minimum sale price in advance (the 'reserve' price) and the final bid does not reach that price the item remains unsold.[14] Sometimes the auctioneer sets a minimum amount by which the next bid must exceed the current highest bid. Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: patr on July 29, 2013, 05:27:48 PM Seems to me that you were just shooting lowball offers and hoping for the best. He was probably hoping for the best. But he was NOT shooting lowball offers, as he bid for the starting price YOU decided. If you wanted at least 80.5 per unit, you should have stated a starting price at 80.5. This is no scam in my opinion, but it's very rude. You, also, were hoping for the best. And you lost. I don't think it's scam, but it''s not fair. And is not good for the trust of this forum. I thinks it's childish. Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: Peter Lambert on July 29, 2013, 05:34:36 PM Go to the ebay.com Select any auction with ANY starting price. If starting price is 500USD like example, CAN YOU BID 500??? If not - > Then MXRider is right here. If you can-> Then you are right. Thats it. But as i know in auction is that thing like "Starting bid". Its also starting price. Its bid have done by OWNER. You cannot use that price as bid because its bidden already. End of story Typically, if you say the auction is starting at price 80, then the first bidder is allowed to offer 80. If you want the first bid to be higher than 80, you need to explicitly say 'greater than 80'. PM offers do not count for auctions. If they want to bid they need to post in the auction thread. Anybody who does not sell to the winning bidder deserves a scammer tag. The whole notion of a 'reserve price' seems silly to me, if you are not going to sell below a certain price, then start the auction at that price. All the rules of the auction should be clearly laid out in the opening post of the auction thread. As in contracts, anything not explicitly stated should be assumed to go in the favor of the person who did not write the rules. This discussion should be in 'Meta' or 'Trading discussion', not in 'auctions' since it is a thread about auctions, not actually an auction. Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: rammy2k2 on July 29, 2013, 06:05:10 PM Negative feedback is the way, thats why we have this option ;)
Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: MXRider on July 29, 2013, 09:20:46 PM Negative feedback is justified, I agree.
I honestly think that your bid wasn't valid. I thought so when the bid was placed and I still think so. I didn't say anything at the time because I assumed someone else would place a higher bid. Instead of that I got several PMs from people asking "how much do you want, what is your highest bid" etc. What I don't understand is why you didn't try to resolve this with me first. You just told me that you are disappointed. I probably would have extended my offer of free escrow + free shipping + free hosting for a few days if you had offered a little bit more after the auction (like 85BTC). But instead you posted a thread where people are suggesting a scammer tag for me. Are you guys fucking kidding me? Do you honestly think that I should be in the same category with Pirate, Clipse and all the other assholes who have actually stolen something. I value my reputation and it's a shame that this thread even exists. I would really like to resolve this with OP but how? I don't feel like selling anything to him after this public lynching. I'm open to suggestions. Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: TheAndy500 on July 29, 2013, 10:07:19 PM Do you honestly think that I should be in the same category with Pirate, Clipse and all the other assholes who have actually stolen something. Yes I value my reputation and it's a shame that this thread even exists. I would really like to resolve this with OP but how? I don't feel like selling anything to him after this public lynching. I'm open to suggestions. Here's a suggestion: Send him what he rightfully won in the auction. Your excuses are both bull. You say the starting bid is X, he bids X, that's a valid bid. You're the only person who is having trouble with that concept. As for "private bids", you can just make that up. "Oh I don't like the result of my auction, I'll just say I had a private bid for more." Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on July 29, 2013, 10:17:12 PM > I don't feel like selling anything to him after this public lynching
Selling it to him for 80 BTC will end up with everyone forgetting in a few days. Negative feedback lasts forever. Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: MXRider on July 29, 2013, 11:22:40 PM Do you honestly think that I should be in the same category with Pirate, Clipse and all the other assholes who have actually stolen something. Yes I value my reputation and it's a shame that this thread even exists. I would really like to resolve this with OP but how? I don't feel like selling anything to him after this public lynching. I'm open to suggestions. Here's a suggestion: Send him what he rightfully won in the auction. Your excuses are both bull. You say the starting bid is X, he bids X, that's a valid bid. You're the only person who is having trouble with that concept. As for "private bids", you can just make that up. "Oh I don't like the result of my auction, I'll just say I had a private bid for more." Date Registered: March 09, 2013, 10:22:21 PM So I doubt you know anything about Pirate, Clipse or any other real scammers. But hey, start a scam accusation thread and we'll see how that goes. Here is my suggestion: when I've sold those units for 88-95BTC each, I'll ask my buyers to confirm here that the deal was real and actually completed. We'll see how real those private bids were ;) Apparently people are ready to do literally whatever it takes to get their hands on an ASIC miner. I've got news for you, I ordered and paid these units over a year ago. That's long before you even knew about bitcoin. There's no way I will listen to an idiot like you and make my decision based on your suggestions. Go home, son. To OP: I'm sorry for the trouble I may have caused. It would have been nice from you to reply to my message and say what you told here. Your message said that you were disappointed and you hope I keep my word. I thought that was about me promising to cover escrow fees. Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: Kouye on July 29, 2013, 11:36:28 PM I probably would have extended my offer of free escrow + free shipping + free hosting for a few days if you had offered a little bit more after the auction (like 85BTC). Hahaha. Be warned, next time you randomly reply to a MXRider auction, offering the price he imposes, if you win, you'll have to PM him with a bid + 5% offer, or you won't be taken into account. Seriously, MXRider, learn how to, or don't anymore, please. Title: Re: Unfair traders of auctions Post by: TheAndy500 on July 30, 2013, 12:47:32 AM Apparently people are ready to do literally whatever it takes to get their hands on an ASIC miner. I've got news for you, I ordered and paid these units over a year ago. That's long before you even knew about bitcoin. There's no way I will listen to an idiot like you and make my decision based on your suggestions. Go home, son. I'm not even going to respond to your insults-based-on-how-long-I've-been-registered-on-a-forum. But you're accusing him of doing "literally whatever it takes"? You mean like bidding on an auction? Seriously? |