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So I did some math. According to bfl.ptz.ro and the BFL blog:

Jalapeno: 3575 ordered, 788 shipped, 2787 remaining, 22.04% fulfilled.
Little single: 1230 ordered, 87 shipped, 1143 shipped, 7.07% fulfilled.
Single: 2678 ordered, 233 shipped, 2445 remaining, 8.70% fulfilled.
Mini rig: 185 ordered, 25 shipped (to Josh), 160 remaining, 13.51% fulfilled.

Plugging in their current value to weight the total fulfilment, I come to 10.99% of the order book shipped out. This most likely excludes a much more significant amount of non declared miners at the tail end of the order queue, since the general public is less likely to have known about the website.

Discuss.

Well, my two jalapenos have shipped and I have tracking information. Was from a Nov 21st order.

Now that difficulty hit 50mill, watch mass shipping en route  ;D

Still waiting on my SC July 15 order..

Ouch. And we just hit 50M difficulty. Let's see what an expert has to say about ROI.

I read somewhere that they were going to descend on the post office like a horde of angry locusts and ship all orders at once... This will probably happen 2 weeks from now (after difficulty goes up by another 50%)

But honestly, whatever is in the backlog will never make ROI. It is a write-off folks. BFL had their window of opportunity but it has long since closed. Wonder if they are going to come out with Gen2 plans (and perhaps upgrade orders that have been in the queue for over 6 months) or just close up shop.

Any truth to this?  Is it discussed anywhere else?

http://bflfraud.com/category/bfl-fraud/

I was just jokingly alluding to a shipping promise made at the beginning of the year ;)

Found it:
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html#post10249

Someone doesn't understand how bitcoin mining works...

And my only disappointment is that apparently I'm not getting a mug, due to being an international order. Ahh well!

Well sure, if you paid in USD *and* have free energy *and* live a long life. Go for it.

Shut the fuck up!

That was fast. Any chance of having the total amounts of units sold revealed?

Coming from the guy who doesn't understand the concept of answering a simple question, one that's been asked literally over 100 times since last November.

What's the latest info pertaining to the FCC certification you promised in two week back in November, 2012?

Bonus question: And why did you delete the quote?

You miss the point.  You complain that "whatever is in the backlog will never make ROI." and "BFL had their window of opportunity bit it long since closed." as if they are somehow separate issues.  They aren't, which is where you don't understand (you're not alone) how bitcoin mining works.  If BFL had shipped in November, difficulty would be in the same place it is now (actually, it would be much, much higher).  What you and many others fail to understand is that YOUR unit is not the only unit shipping and that is the only scenario where early shipping is beneficial to YOU.  Otherwise, it doesn't much matter when the shipping happens, because your relative difficulty will be functionally the same.  

There is no "window of opportunity." Closed or open... hashrate is hashrate, no matter when it ships.

Fair enough. But BFL is not the only one shipping and adding to the overall hash rate. So every day a customer spends in the BFL backlog they will have to compete with all order ahead of them as well as all other ASICs being deployed by the likes of ASICMiner and Avalon. The first mover advantage that made BFL attractive to customers has long gone.

Yes, BFL basically is.  Who else is shipping any sort of volume with regards to hashrate? 

Not Avalon... they are just trickling out hashrate.  ASICminer was having issues and delays last I heard.  Who else?

Like you said "hashrate is hashrate". It is not about shipping. It is about deploying.

Who's deploying then?  The network hashrate seems to be going up in lockstep with the amount of hashrate we are shipping out, give or take a slight deviation.

BTW Josh, when will BFL refund the Express Shipment Upgrade price when the package is sent with USPS instead of the the express option paid with this upgrade? Never?!

Yeah I know - now answer from BFL on valid questions...

ASICMiner still has 12% of the network hashrate, even at this difficulty. I assume they have not been sitting still. Sure, they might have hit a delay when it comes to shipping mini blades to customers, but that does not mean they are unable to serve their own needs. http://blockchain.info/pools

If the exponential hashrate is solely due to BFL shipping then congrats, it means you are doing something right. I wonder how many late pre-orders were aware of what was in store for them (in terms of hashrate in the backlog) especially since you jacked the prices and stopped refunds.

I'll let other people bash you. But aren't you embarrassed with the company's performance? If this is my company, I don't and be on any forum until things changed. I.e. work got done and everyone receive their order.
Regards,
Brian

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back on your deployment thus far ;)

There is only one thing we say to the God of Death, "two more weeks."

I'm having a hard time with the charts but didn't the network add 200,000 GH in the last month?  So you're saying you've shipped 40,000 Jalapenos, or 4,000 Singles, or 400 Mini-Rigs or some sort of combination of those in the last month, give or take a slight deviation?

2012
September -  "Just you wait"
October -  "Just you wait"
November - "Just you wait"
December -  "Just you wait"
2013
January - "Just you wait"
February -  "Just you wait"
March -  "Just you wait"
April - "Just you wait"
may - "Just you wait"
June - "Just you wait"
July - "Just you wait"
August -  "Just you wait"
 

"our work flow"

Bitfury in Ukraine put up 100TH/s online recently, just for testing  ;)  ASICMiner probably "matched" that.
In my estimate, BFL shipped ~50-100 Mini rigs so far.

 

Why does BFL keep acting like they're the only ones selling/shipping ASICS?

I keep hearing "You obviously don't know how Bitcoin difficult works"

because AM and Avalon had deployed only 200TH/s combined. That clearly means that network hashrate of 400TH is pure BFL. [/sarcasm]

What do you mean so far?  What's the time frame on so far?  Last month hashrate went up 200,000 Gh right?  I was having a hard time reading the blockchain chart although from personal experience I see BTC Guild's total pool rate every day and total Gh basically doubled so it seems right.  Inaba said that the network hashrate is going up lockstep with the amount of hashrate they are shipping out, give or take a slight deviation.  He would know the total hash rate they are shipping out so are you saying the network didn't add 200,000 Gh or you are saying they haven't shipped 200,000 Gh?

No disrespect to Josh, but I think that its a combination of all the current builders of asic machines starting to ramp up production.

I feel whats most frustrating is that BFL were one of the first to market these ASICs, but will be amongst the last to deliver.

If I ordered a bitfury board today, more than likely I would receive on or around November time.  The jalapeno I ordered in July may not even be being built at that point.

I get it that there may be huge numbers of orders or production bottlenecks etc, but to come out and say the backlog (at that time) would be cleared by end of september (and then subsequent BFL employees to say that wouldn't be possible)  without saying exactly why is slightly disengenuous.

Was it Josh being over enthusiastic with the estimates?

I really don't mind waiting TBH but its the attitude of BFL that is making me re evaluate my decision to choose them to help build my Bitcoin mining operation.

Can you verify or evidence that 25 mini-rigs were sent to Josh?

This from someone who is afraid to say how many units overall they ship.  :D

People who ordered Avalon chips delivered in China reported getting their shipments a couple of weeks ago.
Batch 3 has arrived in the states and hit China quite some time ago.
ASICminer has been deploying more hashrate and selling hardware.
There isn't more than 10TH/s coming out of BFL this month given the rest of the deployments. Less if Bitfury is actually beta testing.

They have many more minirigs to ship, not to mention singles.

I don't think they are the only ones responsible for 200TH/s increase.

I agree with Josh though, Avalon is out, ASICMiner sits tight, they don't have ASIC h/w problems but more logistics issues.
It is not trivial to deploy large scale farms.  Cabling, HVAC, new transmission lines to data centers.  Basically you need to build
new data centers before deployment.  Besides they are heavily mining so it is not in their interest to sell hardware.  They do it to diversify
and keep constant share of the pie.

Everyone forgets bitfury.  Just like last year, everyone was discounting him with his 100GH/s FPGA rack.
I think bitfury and BFL will be responsible for majority of hash rate increase from now on.

KNC is a joke and probably a scam.  Others are basically pre-order websites.

If that's correct, that is about 58TH. But the network has exploded hundreds of TH over the past months. Surely, those are not GPU miners.
If those are true numbers, and if BFL is the only significant shipper of asic hardware, then whose the entity using asic hardware to mine with while most people wait painfully for BFL hardware?

I'm also curious about the above claim that Josh received 25 mini-rigs. I know a guy that ordered a mini-rig in the first week or pre-orders and is still waiting for 2/3rds of his order. Wow, after more than a year of waiting. Such treatment of other people's money seems criminal.

If this guy paid his rigs with BTC he will never see ROI. The opportunity window for ASICs is now history.

Not true.  ASICs are the future and we just have to deal with that.  Once 28nm and lower chips come along (and they will) GH/s will start to increase wildly to account for the high difficulty.  Not only that but remember these are essentially still first gen devices, once the basic designs are down, improvements will be made in time.

ASICs just serve to make it more difficult for the hobbyist miner to achieve a return.

Actually, it is important when it ships.
Some of the first customers that ordered BFL  asics hoped to receive them
while block reward would sill be at  50 BTC.  Now it's 25, and it's not gonna stay 25 forever either,
alghough it's quite likely that at the time of the next halving all currently used asics will be not worth the electricity they consume.

BFL Shipping in volume, LOL nice one Josh

How's the backorder queue going, still on track to get it cleared by November, December, January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September ?

Read the forums and check the pre-order statistics. Only a small fragment of the ordered Gen1 ASICs is already delivered. Take into account that ASICMINER and maybe others work hard to keep their share when the large amount of outstanding orders is delivered. A bitcoin ASIC generation with 22-28nm is far away and the performance gain from 65nm-110nm to 22-28nm is too small compared to the CPU->GPU->FPGA->ASIC transitions. If you don't pay for your ASICs and you have minimal/zero operating costs you might be fine - all others better buy BTC instead of ASICs.

I think I might be one of the few people who didnt pay anything for asics (BFL, avalon and KNC) and get free power. My ROI is off the charts, however I do sympathise with other asic customers where ROI is of the utmost importance.

On another note, I believe that most miners (and the mining industry) will be the potential death of bitcoin. Too many people only mining for profit and at the same time don't give a shit about the bitcoin industry. Remember, without general public interest and growth we are doomed. If you see a chance to educate and possibly implement bitcoin as a payment system or alternative to fiat then at least try.

Well, most "miners" are not miners but hashing power sellers. There are only a few miners: Pool operators, P2Pool miners and solo miners. The rest has nothing to do with bitcoin mining - they have no vote.

You understand what I mean though. :)

Agreed.

The entire eco system depends on people buying things with bitcoin, and the main reason I am mining is to re invest my BTC in business that do just that.

The main barrier is popular opinion. My mum (who I told about my mining idea) didn't want to be involved because she was worried that it could be used for illegal purposes.  just type it into google and most of what you see will be bitcoin fraud this or illegal use that.

Until that perception changes, we are fighting a losing battle.   

I am trying to spread the good word, that bitcoin prices in relation to fiat are reasonably stable and therefore are a good investment.

Care to back up such a claim with any sort of proof?

*mumbles something about delusions of grandeur*

LOL  I am Soooooooooooooooooooo  glad I got away from this Train Wreck of a company.    And got my Refunds(All of them too).  What a bunch of goofballs thinking they can tell me I cant get a Refund..  I just feel sorry for all the other Noobs over there that don’t know how to stand up for themselves..

Josh reminds me of Joseph Goebels after year 1943 :-)

Someone doesn't understand how supply chain and fulfillment works otherwise you would not have predicted the end of September to clear 421 days of backlog in the remaining 33 working days (you don't work on weekends right) that you have between now and the end of September.

Here you are again making open ended statements without the next sentence.

It's like High School, show your work (math) or you get no credit.

Much like I told Flying Hellfish, once you become an adult, you will realize that reality (and the rest of the world) does not care about you.  Reality is what it is, you can accept it or deny it, but it will still be reality.  Nothing needs to be proven, no work needs to be shown.  You either accept reality or you deny it, the choice is up to you.  Reality doesn't care about you and what you believe, and just like I told Mr. Hellfish, neither do I. 

Reality?! I'm not happy with this, but I can accept that my BFL Single SC will never reach break even. What I absolutely cannot accept is, that I paid an express upgrade, the product is shiped with USPS and I did not get a refund of the upgrade price - is this your reality? Is your reality to defraud customers?!

 This man has a firm grasp on reality.

 We should listen to him. He knows what he is talking about.

The problem is, Josh, that while you and your BFL colleagues may know the reality of the situation, those of us who have bank rolled your company do not, because you just won`t tell us.  You expect us to be content with riddles and pie in the sky shipping estimates.

Whilst at the same time, taking what seems like a hoiler than thou I know more than you do attitude towards us.

How do you expect to be seen as a respected company when you treat your customers with such disdain?

The reality is that because of BFL's inability to ramp up production, out of the bitcoin network's 400 TH/s, BFL hardware is a minuscule portion.

Hey, try BitSynCom (aka FukUNow), you'll be ignored all together.  I personally know of a guy who ordered early in October batch #1 Avalon
and got ignored until May.  Most trade-in customers have been ignored since April. By ignored, I mean no emails, no order ids, no
contact of any kind.  Makes you feel like you are not a customer.

With BFL, at least I got support emails back within a week.  Same goes for bitfury.  

Are they IBM, Microsoft or Cisco in terms of customer support?  Of course not.  
They are a small company.

I don't understand why you people constantly bash this company.  Cancel the order, get a refund if you don't like it.
At least you can do that.  With BitSynCom is like talking to a wall.

Can you read and understand: I REQUESTED A REFUND FOR MY EXPRESS SHIPMENT UPGRADE!

What happened? BFL ignored my express upgrade and shiped with USPS and BFL ignored my refund request! BTW, BFL ignored my Jan 2013 refund request as well. You ask why people constantly bash this company. No wonder when they ignored and defraud their customers and do not deliver what they paid for.

Is this Used Care Salesmen still on here pimping Pintos?

BFL has bigger things to worry about than people who can do math adding up the shipped hash rate and realizing that BFL is not shipping much.

BFL got subpoenaed a few days ago by a regulator.
The Kansas AG is investigating BFL.
PayPal is pissed at BFL.
The FTC is investigating BFL.
The KC police department is investigating BFL.
Even Sonny's probation officer is sniffing around his latest investment scam.

Now that pre-orders are drying up, Josh is back trying to milk the last few dollars out of bitcointalk.

I upgraded an order from a Jalapeno model to a Single SC model, back before the price raise. At the time, I SPECIFICALLY asked whether or not this would affect my place in line for shipping, and BFL told me in no unclear terms that it wouldn't. They lied to me. They are now shipping Jalas to people who ordered in LATE NOVEMBER, while my Single SC order dated late JULY is still far, far from being produced. They were on a contract with a LOT of people who depended on them to ship IN ORDER, which they completely failed to do. Now all the earliest, largest order-holders are watching their expected return dwindle to nothing, all the money they invested is going to people who ordered Jalas months after them.

In short: BFL is a scam. They are basically running an investment LOTTERY... BFL LIED TO ME AND THEY ROBBED ME. They do not respond when I write them asking for a refund. They banned me from their shoutbox.

This is what I see happening during September at BFL: at least one very large order-holder will ask for a refund on the order of six-figures, which they will deny. Then, they will be hit with a lawsuit from a high-powered law firm, and shut down during investigation by the FTC. Their executives will be arrested for investment fraud. The only people who will make any money are those who manage to get a device delivered by the end of August. All others will lose their entire investment in BFL.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/BFLrobbedme.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/Bigblock462/media/BFLrobbedme.jpg.html)

I just had to repost this  :D

Good luck getting your refunds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know some forum members who probably aren't on the same page as you, and I'm sure there are plenty more of these out there.

https://i.imgur.com/vxHVjqml.jpg

That is almost 600GH/s in that picture.

Speaking about being an adult, when are you going to answer the question posed by several of your adult peers?

What's the status of the FCC certification you're on record in stating would be available in two weeks back in November of last year?

Why do you continue to ignore this question each and every time it's been asked (over 100 times now), and not just by me, your favorite nemesis?

Josh is only here because his rainbow poodle is in heat and Sonny's dick is sore, thus he's seeking a fix, knowing damn well we'll stick it up his ass.

I'm utterly amazed at the network hashrate BFL has shipped. One question: Those fans from BFL, are they hooked up in parallel or in series? Also, when you overclock BFL's fan, does that effect the clock buffers or the moffits(?)?

That's not true. Those that had the forward thinking and due diligence to check with their credit card issuer to determine what payment protection exists an whether they are covered for a sufficient period of time and used that card to pay will be fine. ;)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=272585.0

ONLY pay for pre-orders on card!

Seems you are just unlucky, Single SC generates too much heat

I cant wait for reality to hit the company soon to be formerly known as BFL. Get the popcorn  ;D

Is that right?  That's really good news for a lot of people. 

Would that it were true, a lot of the posts, even in this thread, would not be made.

What method of payments cannot get refunds (not counting BTC and Bank Wires)?

Well, I certainly don't want to speak for The Labs if an official spokesman is here.  Josh, would you like to answer this question?

Josh, I'm requesting a refund on my Single SC order that you failed to ship within 54 weeks. I paid in bitcoin. Let me know, pal.

All methods can get refunds. It will depend on your method of payment as to how you go about getting one.
First step is always ask BFL for a refund. If they have not shipped your product, they are legally obligated to refund your money if you ask for it.
If they refuse, the second step is always to fill a complaint with the FTC so they know BFL is violating the law.
If you paid by BTC or Bank Wire, you can either press forward with the FTC through their claims division, or you can retain a lawyer and go after BFL directly.
If you paid by PayPal you can file a dispute with them (if they close it, call them and tell them you have been scammed). If you paid via CC, you can initiate a charge back if Paypal drags their feet.

Don't think for a minute we don't see what you're up to. You paid via BTC or BW (not Bruce Wagner) hoping that all others who paid via other means gets refunded, thus allowing you to move up the queue. Genius! Provided, of course, all this takes place prior to September 15, 2013, when Sonny Vleisides' probation is up due to being convicted as a felon for fleecing hundreds of millions of dollars from the elder with his 15 year running lottery scam.

I found a photo of the current state of affairs.

Seems they were mining with preordered rigs after all. rig fire =O

http://consciouslifenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Figure-8.jpg

+1 LOL

Are you sure?   How did he do that when his boards did not work and he is waiting for new ones?

No, no, no.  He knows exactly what he's doing. 

That bullshit upthread about the network hash rate in lockstep with the amount BFL has been shipping?  Someone neutral reading this thread might well believe that, and conclude that BFL's shipping rate is tremendous.

And then they'd believe that ASICMiner might be "having issues," and not check to see what percentage they have maintained of the network all the way from 100TH to 500TH.

Don't think there aren't people who don't understand what's been happening as well as you do.  Look at that guy who asked what kind of orders won't be refunded by BFL. 

All it takes is for the bullshit to not be challenged for it to become, de facto, advertising. Which is one reason the sock puppets keep harping on "why don't you guys give it a rest..." 

Thank you for detailed explanation.
Some methods are very complicated so waiting seems easier

Didnt know about September 15, do you say no more devices will be send after this date?

Homer Simpson: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm.

Lisa Simpson: That’s specious reasoning, Dad.

Homer: Thank you, dear.

Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.

Homer: Oh, how does it work?

Lisa: It doesn’t work.

Homer: Uh-huh.

Lisa: It’s just a stupid rock.

Homer: Uh-huh.

Lisa: But I don’t see any tigers around, do you?

Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

Dude have you not been paying attention? They've been saying a great amount of progress will happen in '2 weeks' for 6 months straight now. I just don't get how people can trust this company, they've done nothing to earn it.  I would put the likelihood of that latest '2 weeks' statement of actually happening at about 2% - 3%.

 Look. I really don't see what the problem is here. Just wait another two weeks. Come on. Be reasonable.

 They will most assuredly deliver.

Meanwhile, Josh goes to put in a bid for more advertising on these forums.

Don't go spending money until everyone gets a refund, Inaba.

Actually, they need new customers to pay for the refunds.

the cycle of bullshit continues.

You can view it as a cycle, true.  But there's another word for that kind of business practice.  It starts with "P" and ends with "i".

This time is different.

At 400 units per day, they can finish the backlog in about 13 days now.

You can't cancel your order at this point for a refund, they just denied my request.

Dont take this to badly, but bfl customers prove how pathetic bitcoin mining characters are whille being back humped
Big bunch of hoto's

I know I was being a trill there.....
Sorry just had a bottle of wine and was just being beligerent due to frustration over the whole deal

Don't give up. Call Paypal and explain how BFL is violating the Paypal Terms of Service.

Joshua you are a sad sock puppet. What you don't realize is Sonny is setting you up for such a monumental fall. Your lack of intelligence makes you such an easy target. Your arrogance and condescension will be the end of you. I hope your mother is proud of the dirtbag she raised. What goes around comes around. Don't drop the soap.

BTW
Will you still make your September deadline?
Why are you intent on violating FTC regulations with your refund policy?
Are you shipping 400 units per day?

Yep! Joshua fell for the oldest confidence trick in the book. Sadly Luckily, he'll fail to heed your advice.

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu68/Bdots_photos/the-soap-don-t-drop-the-soap-demoti.jpg

 :D

I will do that, I already filed a report with the FTC too.

The point I was trying to make is that you will not get the refund from BFL. Paypal, the FTC or my credit card issuer will have to. If they were an upstanding business they would have immediately processed my refund request.

According to the law, a sale is only a sale if you actually received your merchandise. Respond back to BFL that you don't wish to cancel a sale, that you wish to cancel an order. If you like, you can say the reason is because the sale never took place because you never received your product.  ;D

BFL is sneaky saying all sales are final. While true, it does not apply to you.

Very true! Never considered that. A sale != order

+1 to you good sir!

Avalon Batch #3 have just been delivered over the past week or two.

Avalon batch #1, 2 and 3 would be about 132TH/s if half of B3 was 4module and the rest 3
Asicminer is about 42.53TH/s

So, that's about 175TH/s right there.  Almost half.

There's also Bitfury out there, and those Avalon chips, if they ever ship. And we're one more month away from KnC, then HashFast.

The problem with what Josh is saying is that A) they couldn't possibly account for even half of the network right now and B) Their customers are still going to get fucked by everyone coming out with chips in September/October/November.
_____

The other thing this shows is that they took these orders knowing that their customers would never ROI in any reasonable time.

Josh is essentially saying they knew they were going to take the difficulty up to 50 million, even when the price of bitcoin was only $5-$10.

So if you bought a 30Gh/s unit from them for $1000 (or whatever) it would still only mine about $2.5-$5 a day worth of bitcoin. That means, excluding electricity, it would take years to ROI in USD. And of course a BTC profit is very unlikely, ever.

It's only because the price of bitcoin has gone up that customers might see a USD profit. When they sold these they knew they were ripping off their customers, and Josh is basically admitting it.

This is probably the dumbest post I've ever read on these forums.

If BFL was the only company shipping ASICs, then this statement would be mostly true.

However, you're not the only company shipping ASICs. You forgot about ASICMINER and Avalon you silly goose you. Or was this just an attempt at satire?

Note the keyword "if". As in if the rabbit didn't stop to take a shit, it wouldn't have been attacked, killed, then eaten by a coyote.

If BFL had shipped all pre-orders in November, they would have had mega more orders, thus difficulty would be in the same place it is now (actually, it would be much, much higher), and there probably would have been less competition.

If BFL's product line is still so profitable to possess, then what's the big deal in not refunding to all those who ask as they've so gracefully done in the past, for they'll still be able to sell those units to non-monumental assholes?

Surely, they're expecting to build more units after the backlog is shipped, otherwise why the hell are they paying 0.00000001+ BTC for advertising.

They are doing so many things ass-backwards at Camp BFL, it boggles the mind. All they would have to do is snap a simple motherfuckin' pic each showing 200-400 shipping boxes on the dock and posting said pic on the their forum, then they wouldn't have to pay one more motherfuckin' dime for advertising because in this tightly niche market, action speaks louder than words (read advertising copy).

Since they don't do that, there's only one--ONLY ONE--motherfuckin' conclusion to come to--THEY ARE IN THE MOTHERFUCKIN' SCAMMING BUSINESS!

"Get your refund, refunds are fun, get it now, don't walk - run!"

I take it you've never read your own posts, then?  That explains a lot...

Here is my prediction of what will happen to bitcoin in 2014. All tech at 65nm or above will become unprofitable to run. Chips at 28nm / 24nm will still be profitable, but only for large mining operations running on industrial electrical rates, in areas with the absolute lowest electricity costs in the world. This means bitcoin will become a network run by a very few, very rich people, who run incorporated mining operations and pay taxes on their mining profits to fiat governments, and only in very select geographical regions. Oops, not very decentralized anymore. Meet the new boss, it's the 1% and they are keeping the fiat status quo in place. Strangely like the old boss...

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Wont happen. It will be like GPU mining, those with cheap electricity will be profitale and those without have to decide what to do

You don't have a rebuttal, so you delete the part in the quote where you are proven wrong and post a snide remark.

Classic Inaba. Thanks for making me smile. :)

And if exchange rate drops all those asic machines become fancy doorstops.  Then you can buy them for cheap.  Patience is a virtue.  It is a long road till block rewards go to 0.

The total number of orders is about 5-10 times bigger. So it seems BFL is really sending out proucts containing 300+ chips daily. This giving me hope

Long story short, you don't care about anyone except yourself.

This is really starting to get sad Josh. You take the time to post nonsensical replies such as this, but refuse to respond to honest questions and criticisms.  No one wants to listen to your cynicism and platitudes (although I'm honestly impressed that you managed to fit three in one sentence). So if you don't have anything meaningful or worthwhile to post..... just go away.

You SPEAK UTTER FUCKING NONSENSE....!

Well you deserve big boy pants dont you.....So what u are trying to say is that you will do what you want and there is no "FAIR" or "RIGHT" there is just what happens in life and as far as you are concerned you are going to do "IT"

Sorry to break your self deluded bullshit...but there is a circuit breaker if you get tooo out of control ...its called "PRISON"

Ask Sonny I am sure he will explain how it works...

Based on what I've read, you self test for FCC compliance.  You do not file something with the FCC.  The FCC can request from your company a copy of your testing.  If they find that you're in violation, they can have you stop shipping out products or fine you (Or both).  BFL doesn't have to file anything with the FCC unless that is requested of them.

So I think you're banging your drum about a situation that doesn't exist.  You'd basically have to prove to the FCC that BFL is in non-compliance, they'd have to request from BFL the testing results, and then if they are incorrect, then maybe they'd fine them until they are compliant.

Everyone with a non-compliant machine gets to fix it themselves, because the FCC requires the OPERATOR to fix the device, not the manufacturer.  So if you manage to prove that your device isn't compliant, you also get to not use it any more unless you can fix it so it is compliant.

The point isn't whether BFL is compelled to get FCC certification. The point is that BFL boasted that they were "two weeks" from getting it back in November of 2012. Phineas is just reminding BFL of their promises, and of the fact that BFL was boasting about a certifying product that could not possibly have existed at that time (given what we know now).

Once I become an adult? Listen kid I have shoes older than you.

You will need to show your work, it will happen right after you hear the words: "Will the defendant please rise"

You will care......soon.

You have shoes older than me?  Did you steal them from your daddy?  From the way you write, I'd put you at about 15 or 16.  Prove me wrong.  Show your work.  And by Show your Work, I mean try to write a post that isn't full of juvenile stupidity.  Good luck, I'm betting you'll need it.

Once again, Inaba dodges the question as to why BFL is only shipping a few dozen units a day.
Inaba will not state for the record how many units have shipped, nor will he state how many units they have to go.
This dodge coincides with a BFL video that shows the largest pile of boxes at about 4 dozen (they probably skipped a day or two of shipping to get a big pile for the cameras).
At this rate the BFL backlog will extend past September, they still have 85% of their backlog to work through after 4 months of shipping.

Meanwhile:
100TH/s came online in the last 10 days time.
Avalon batch 3 is coming online.
120TH/s of Avalon chips are sitting in customs.
Difficulty is at 50 million.

Inaba has no work to show, except for this:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

See how this happy happy joy joy talk that spews out of an opening that you call your mouth goes down @ Lansing Correctional

Heres a link to help you get a feel for your new home

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lansing_Correctional_Facility

You may want to change your name to Biatch so as to help streamline the onboarding process

Also as part of the induction process you will be finding new uses for the abuse spewing hole that you call a mouth 8)

Good Luck With That

Shut up you fucking cunt.

I'll take that bet,

Since I have your attention and you are in a talkative mood,

Going to have your backlog shipped by the end of September?

[Queue the Crickets]

Yes I may not have 39 year old (your age) shoes, but maybe a belt.

What 39 year old uses the word "troll" in every other sentence.

We got rid of Richard Nixon and got you instead. Poor trade.

When you were 4 I was selling my first consulting company to Bell South Junior.

Hope you enjoy cockmeat sandwiches Joshua.

I was just looking over the List of evidence against Sonny in a previous thread and some common themes jumped out at me


Sonny is the king of the LONG CON ...not the fast.. wham.. bamm... "HE STOLE OUR MONEY" deal but the LONG CON !!

On the indictment documents he had pplz "INVEST" 26 million and returned 9 million with theft of 15 million

So long story short he will steal 2 out of three dollars..currently backorder queue is sitting @ ~ 10.9% of shipped units on a weighted average of all product lines

in about 3 weeks he will be off probabtion so I think we are getting to his "See you later moment "

AWESOME!

Allow me to reply to this post prior to reading subsequent posts.

This is exactly correct! I could care less about ANY FCC or UL requirements on BFL products. This is not the issue!

The issue is that Josh, speaking in the capacity of BFL, lied... Let me repeat that--JOSH LIED! ... about BFL being in the process of getting FCC certification. And that lie only had one purpose--to pacify those in the market for ASIC-based bitcoin miners so that BFL would recognize more sales. Josh's lie with his FCC statement accomplished that feat.

If only one person purchased because of said lie, than the sale was conducted under false pretense. Sadly, we're not talking about a single buyer, but thousands. Ironically, those thousands of buyers have yet to receive what they paid for after that November 2012 announcement by Josh Zerlan was made. I repeat, not a single November 2012 order has been processed, but I wouldn't be surprised if Jody already printed out FedEx shipping labels for such while caressing her 63-year-old cameltoe.

If a company is capable of lying about something so mundane as having their entire mining rig line in the process of getting FCC certification, what the FUCK else are they lying about? And what the fuck is wrong with you people who stand behind BFL espousing that BFL is not lying about anything? If Sonny Vleisides is a Saint since he claimed to turn over a new leaf after serving his felony conviction for fleecing the elderly outta hundreds of millions of dollars with his 15 year running lottery scam, then I will start sucking dicks. Prove to me Sonny's a Saint, and I'll show you one happy cocksucker--ME! (No offense to the gay community!)

Bottom line, people who ordered based on Josh's statement about the FCC certification which is a proven lie have to now claw like animals to obtain a refund. Those who don't request a refund and receive there equipment months from now are double fucked.

BFL was once in position to be the shining star of the Bitcoin community. Sadly, they will become a Super Nova, competing in brightness to Avalon.

My next thread will be all about Jeff Ownby. You're goin' love it!

YOU SEE THAT! Josh completely ignores the FCC posts, opting to talk about shoes.

Seriously, this boy ain't right!

LoLz  ;D

Josh, why you so douchy tho?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_complex

"The superiority complex is one of the ways which a person with an inferiority complex may use as a method of escape from her or his difficulties. She or he assumes that she or he is superior when she or he is not, and this false success compensates her or him for the state of inferiority which she or he cannot bear. The normal person does not have a superiority complex, she or he does not even have a sense of superiority. She or he has the striving to be superior in the sense that we all have ambition to be successful; but so long as this striving is expressed in work it does not lead to false valuations, which are at the root of mental disease.

...

An individual who is not properly trained to answer life's problems may turn from striving for superiority in useful ways to that of a personal superiority at all cost. If an individual cannot be better than another on their own merit, they will attempt to tear down another person or group to maintain their superior position."

I will now formally request from Sonny Vleisides' probation officer a statement regarding him and BFL. I want a fuckin' piece of paper in my slimy barn wood stealing hands reflecting that Sonny Vleisides has been serving his probation period without one iota of an issue. This way it puts the probation officer's neck on the line if BFL ceases to exist after September 15, 2013.

These lyin' fuckin' clowns are goin' down one way or another. I guess that explains why BFL never sued me for defamation, libel or slander. Because why give a lawyer money that can be used in Sonny's new lifestyle after he dissolves BFL.

Perhaps Sonny will pull a Francisco Hernando and move to Equatorial Guinea to base his next long con from.

They're also known to paint their poodles rainbow colors.

BFL video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti6bLEF2NYI&feature=youtu.be

I keep commenting under fratoritylife, but they delete.

 ???

I am in disbelief here

y'all already know where the BFL warehouse is.

some of you guys should be good enough to ninja in the facility to install a hidden camera by the dock(?) area if any to see how much shit they ship a day.

do a surveillance or some shit like that.

nobody thought about that?

who needs a camera to tell they aint shipping shit  :D other more serious laws are in question, I would imagine.

Maybe I have, or maybe I haven't, either way there's a hotel a block away of which some of the rooms have an excellent view of the dock. I'm just sayin'!

Yay, December shipping for Jalapenos, might even see the first 2013 orders shipped next week if we are lucky!
Little Single starting to make some progress too. Other units oh well....

Camel Toe lady has made mistakes in the past. Perhaps she meant the above.

Just do it cop-show style - a stakeout.  Sit in a car and watch to see how many boxes get picked up by the mail. Or bribe the mailman.

That is his M.O. brother, on his own website he has been MIA for over a week except to make stupid one line comments like "Maddox is the man" and then randomly ban people from the site or the shoutbox and then you never see him again.
Meanwhile he leaves Jody holding the bag having to take shit from every customer because she doesn't have enough inventory to ship 5 days of orders out in a given day.
And of course as soon as I ask about whether he will make his our deadline of the end of September, he quietly slinks back under his rock.

Ok, reality is what it is. Said that , here is my address to send me some BTC that you made with customer money. After that , in about two weeks, I show you some proof of work.

Thanks,

BTC address :  1BFoz7yRGWDaWVqc9otmZGu5kCS4jXx8m

Yeah, you're about as scary as Xian.  I'll get right on it, sparky.

Don't take anything he says personally, boys.  It's all calculated to drum up business.

Take it as a sign BFL sales have stagnated.

Shut up and pay me  ;D

Nice of Josh to pop in and make a stupid comment YET AGAIN.  I just hope you do that in your lunch break and not when you should be making the miners that we have paid you to make.   

What do you actually do for your company?  I can`t believe PR is your only responsibility.

He is the one who makes sure that BFL has all the parts needed to assemble product.
You know, the guy who didn't realize that Singles needed power supplies, or MOSFETs, or boards to put the chips in.
He got the fans AND boxes though!

http://butterflylabs.com/jobs/

Looking for communications director. I'd rather eat shit and die than take that job with Butterflylabs.

not to mention it probally comes with a free prison term  ;D

HAHAHAHA, cant tell if trolling or sincere.

Hes the official ..BFL sockpuppet !!

Josh you must have missed my question about whether you were going to make the end of September to get the 419 days of Backlog cleared?  

In case you have sight problems......

Josh you must have missed my question about whether you were going to make the end of September to get the 419 days of Backlog cleared?

You junior have Failed the Hardest.
You won't make September, October or November.

I wish there wasn't so much hostility on the board between the community and Josh. We might be able to get more information about why things are taking so long without turning the discussion into personal attacks.

BFL has a huge interest in ramping their production up since if they can really clear the queue there's a ton more money to be made. I'm glad the Jalapenos and Little Singles are moving, but the rate of Singles is a bit concerning. Could we get some more info about why the production has been so uneven across the different models please?

 You must be relatively new here; unaware of the history of Butterfly Labs up until this point...

 I might recommend against going down that rabbit hole entirely.

Bravo!

Further proof that...

That boy ain't right!

lol.

this guy.

you mean, huge interest to keep them afloat while everybody trying to pull their money out?

quote !!!

"Why work for Butterfly Labs?

There's nothing more rewarding than working on interesting projects. Here at Butterfly Labs, we bring our experience to market for specialty applications in Industry, Education and Government. Each project is unique, well funded and has a real world application. It's a deeply rewarding environment."

http://butterflylabs.com/jobs/

Ain't that right, Josh?
Gaggle, gaggle, gaggle! Yep, Sonny! Gaggle, gaggle...

don't forget coffee mugs. miners don't work w/out coffee..

Why do you think they would have a huge interest???  What possible reason would anyone have in shipping you a product that returns it's cost in 60 days??? If you can answer that question you will understand what's going on.

~The reason there is so much hosility, is because Josh appears to have some wierd superiority complex when it comes to customers.  He ignores totally legitimate questions and instead chooses to insult the asker rather than divulge the truth. He have over $5k of my money and as such, I wanna know what is going on.

All I want is the truth.  But that seems difficult for Josh atm, leaving Jody to cope with all the questions from customers.

It was mainly this fact that put me on this crusade. If he was civil, I wouldn't be here, but Josh dictated the path.

Add to the lie about the FCC certification, and you see why BFL is in the position that they're in.

Back in November, 2012, a bitcoiner kindly asked BFL about the FCC certification and how it's going. Josh kindly replied that BFL should have an answer in two weeks. I've shown that the FCC website had no record of them submitting any devices. I, among others, kindly asked, at first, why that's the case. Josh never answered the question. This has been going on for almost 10 months now.

Josh lied so that more sales would be made at BFL, thus giving him a bigger commision, while all those who ordered due to that lie are FUCKED. And all from a company whose CEO, Sonny Vleisides, came here and stated that he's a new man and turned over a new leaf after his mommy got him an account on some dating service where he met his cousin and had a baby named Indy. Sadly, Yifu stood too close to this man in NYC, for the lies rubs off Sonny onto him.

I can only imagine Josh's sad puppy eyes when Sonny's old Laissez Faire City buddies stop by the plant to talk about old times, while Josh is sitting there unable to converse at their conning level. I'm willing to bet Jeff Ownby gives him a quarter every day to buy a clue.

And, if you think that I'm running outta ammo on these bastards, you're sadly mistaken, just like you're sadly mistaken that if you're at the end of the queue you're going to get your mining rig(s) before the end of the year.

For shits and giggles, somebody get one of them countdown clocks that can be embedded in these posts set to end on September 16, 2013, the day after Sonny Vleisides' probation is scheduled to end due to his felony conviction for fleecing hundreds of millions of dollars from the elderly with his 15 year running lottery scam. Sadly, he was never charged with fleecing hundreds of millions more with his Laissez Faire City and other gambling site scams. Now, he's got people pissed off wanting their money back with his Webspawner.com site, of which now is in Jeff Ownby's name, the VP of BF Labs Inc.

I honestly believe there ain't an honest person at BFL.

I have got a feeling that if you look at the video they just released and the the "143" units on the shipping doc are one and the same days/production PR events ...

Me thinks that once again it was all a dog and pony show with smoke and mirrors ...a BFL special

This is definately going down as a Nigerian 149 scam ...just a few more days or TWO WEEKS (trade mark) and the prince (Josh) will be able to release the 100 million to your bank account....

I have to agree, if they send all current orders in one month, the diffculty would be so huge, unless they lower prices a lot no new customers will buy new units. Seems the waiting game is good for their business

I can't believe what I just read.  Of course it isn't.  There are many other manufacturers shipping as well, independent of BFL's fucked up timeline.  This is why the earlier YOUR customers receive their order, the better.  I can't believe some of the bullshit you try to sell to people as fact.   :D

You must be new here...

It's not difficult, you start typing and it all comes together....

The problem is the truth hounds him, that is where his real torment lays.

You can't say anything when you are truly fucked.

Even their own customers are truly fucked. Everyone knows it, they just live in lala land.

 I'm right there with you. I used to be a happy customer of Butterfly Labs.

 And then Josh Zerlan came along and took a big 'ole dookie on the entire company image and community goodwill they had just managed to salvage after delays on their FPGA launch.

 I feel bad for the troops on the ground at Butterfly Labs who are just trying to do their jobs without having to deal with all this public backlash brought on from their figurehead.

 A sad state of affairs to be sure.

Same here.

Josh creates all sorts of unnecessary assholes. He leaves an indelible impression on the community...when he doesn't even have to.

BFL needs to evaluate his contribution and discharge his ass. Probably deduct from his payments all the ungodly image he has created and centered on them in the community.

The guy is a Asshat  Plain and simple ....

Like Hitler the power has gone to his head....

"No you will get you bags soon and this train is NOT going to Auswitchz"

"No you will get your MINER soon and we are NOT going to mine with your equipment "

Like many poor souls on corresponding trains...both BFL customers are heading for a similar fate :(

I am sure Sonny has a "Final solution" once his probation is up....Argentina may well be both Sonny and the remenants or the Nazi's final location...

Eichmann = Vesellies  dont they seem to fit liek hand in glove ...hmmmm

It all makes sense....lolz

If the glove doesn't fit you must acquit.

How about we lay off the Nazi references and just stick to the facts as I have yet to see any crimes against humanity yet in his posts and what has transpired so far. Guy is an ass hat... more over a liar and given the fact his company is all about denying customers proper refunds he is bordering on being criminal, and I bet he will get his day in court.

It had been quiet a while since hitler came up in conversation and they where having another Documentary on Hitler's girfriend/butler/pastry chef  or some other obscuro reference ...so i thought it appropriate to throw Sonny in the ring as well

...(Seemed liek a good idea at the time) ...I think if he does do a "Flash Gordon" in the comming weeks I think there will be his very own personal war crimes tribunal @ the Hague (well maybe Kansas but close enough)   :P



 

Sparky?

Sparky is the name we reserved for you, remember when you plugged the power supply into the Epic Fail of the first revision of your production boards? Take that Jalapeno motherboard and fill it with ASICs, now plug it in to the power supply.......SPARKY!