BFL current state of affairs

[Loredo]

Much like I told Flying Hellfish, once you become an adult, you will realize that reality (and the rest of the world) does not care about you.  Reality is what it is, you can accept it or deny it, but it will still be reality.  Nothing needs to be proven, no work needs to be shown.  You either accept reality or you deny it, the choice is up to you.  Reality doesn't care about you and what you believe, and just like I told Mr. Hellfish, neither do I.  

 This man has a firm grasp on reality.

 We should listen to him. He knows what he is talking about.

+1 LOL

No, no, no.  He knows exactly what he's doing. 

That bullshit upthread about the network hash rate in lockstep with the amount BFL has been shipping?  Someone neutral reading this thread might well believe that, and conclude that BFL's shipping rate is tremendous.

And then they'd believe that ASICMiner might be "having issues," and not check to see what percentage they have maintained of the network all the way from 100TH to 500TH.

Don't think there aren't people who don't understand what's been happening as well as you do.  Look at that guy who asked what kind of orders won't be refunded by BFL. 

All it takes is for the bullshit to not be challenged for it to become, de facto, advertising. Which is one reason the sock puppets keep harping on "why don't you guys give it a rest..." 

[udet4food]

I don't understand why you people constantly bash this company.  Cancel the order, get a refund if you don't like it.  At least you can do that.  

Is that right?  That's really good news for a lot of people. 

Would that it were true, a lot of the posts, even in this thread, would not be made.

What method of payments cannot get refunds (not counting BTC and Bank Wires)?

All methods can get refunds. It will depend on your method of payment as to how you go about getting one.
First step is always ask BFL for a refund. If they have not shipped your product, they are legally obligated to refund your money if you ask for it.
If they refuse, the second step is always to fill a complaint with the FTC so they know BFL is violating the law.
If you paid by BTC or Bank Wire, you can either press forward with the FTC through their claims division, or you can retain a lawyer and go after BFL directly.
If you paid by PayPal you can file a dispute with them (if they close it, call them and tell them you have been scammed). If you paid via CC, you can initiate a charge back if Paypal drags their feet.

Thank you for detailed explanation.
Some methods are very complicated so waiting seems easier

[udet4food]

I don't understand why you people constantly bash this company.  Cancel the order, get a refund if you don't like it.  At least you can do that.  

Is that right?  That's really good news for a lot of people. 

Would that it were true, a lot of the posts, even in this thread, would not be made.

What method of payments cannot get refunds (not counting BTC and Bank Wires)?

Don't think for a minute we don't see what you're up to. You paid via BTC or BW (not Bruce Wagner) hoping that all others who paid via other means gets refunded, thus allowing you to move up the queue. Genius! Provided, of course, all this takes place prior to September 15, 2013, when Sonny Vleisides' probation is up due to being convicted as a felon for fleecing hundreds of millions of dollars from the elder with his 15 year running lottery scam.

Didnt know about September 15, do you say no more devices will be send after this date?

[Flying Hellfish]

Homer Simpson: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm.

Lisa Simpson: That’s specious reasoning, Dad.

Homer: Thank you, dear.

Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.

Homer: Oh, how does it work?

Lisa: It doesn’t work.

Homer: Uh-huh.

Lisa: It’s just a stupid rock.

Homer: Uh-huh.

Lisa: But I don’t see any tigers around, do you?

Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.

[Loredo]

Don't think there aren't people who don't understand what's been happening as well as you do.

Thank you for detailed explanation.
Some methods are very complicated so waiting seems easier

Quod erat demonstrandum.

[glendall]

..... This will probably happen 2 weeks from now ...

Dude have you not been paying attention? They've been saying a great amount of progress will happen in '2 weeks' for 6 months straight now. I just don't get how people can trust this company, they've done nothing to earn it.  I would put the likelihood of that latest '2 weeks' statement of actually happening at about 2% - 3%.

[Xian01]

..... This will probably happen 2 weeks from now ...

Dude have you not been paying attention? They've been saying a great amount of progress will happen in '2 weeks' for 6 months straight now. I just don't get how people can trust this company, they've done nothing to earn it.  I would put the likelihood of that latest '2 weeks' statement of actually happening at about 2% - 3%.

 Look. I really don't see what the problem is here. Just wait another two weeks. Come on. Be reasonable.

 They will most assuredly deliver.

[millsdmb]

..... This will probably happen 2 weeks from now ...

Dude have you not been paying attention? They've been saying a great amount of progress will happen in '2 weeks' for 6 months straight now. I just don't get how people can trust this company, they've done nothing to earn it.  I would put the likelihood of that latest '2 weeks' statement of actually happening at about 2% - 3%.

 Look. I really don't see what the problem is here. Just wait another two weeks. Come on. Be reasonable.

 They will most assuredly deliver.

Meanwhile, Josh goes to put in a bid for more advertising on these forums.

Don't go spending money until everyone gets a refund, Inaba.

[Syke]

Meanwhile, Josh goes to put in a bid for more advertising on these forums.

Don't go spending money until everyone gets a refund, Inaba.

Actually, they need new customers to pay for the refunds.

[millsdmb]

Meanwhile, Josh goes to put in a bid for more advertising on these forums.

Don't go spending money until everyone gets a refund, Inaba.

Actually, they need new customers to pay for the refunds.

the cycle of bullshit continues.

[Loredo]

Actually, they need new customers to pay for the refunds.

the cycle of bullshit continues.

You can view it as a cycle, true.  But there's another word for that kind of business practice.  It starts with "P" and ends with "i".

[ninjarobot]

..... This will probably happen 2 weeks from now ...

Dude have you not been paying attention? They've been saying a great amount of progress will happen in '2 weeks' for 6 months straight now.

This time is different.

[Bogart]

Jalapeno: 3575 ordered, 788 shipped, 2787 remaining, 22.04% fulfilled.
Little single: 1230 ordered, 87 shipped, 1143 shipped, 7.07% fulfilled.
Single: 2678 ordered, 233 shipped, 2445 remaining, 8.70% fulfilled.
Mini rig: 185 ordered, 25 shipped (to Josh), 160 remaining, 13.51% fulfilled.

At 400 units per day, they can finish the backlog in about 13 days now.

[arousedrhino]

How do you expect to be seen as a respected company when you treat your customers with such disdain?

Cancel the order, get a refund if you don't like it.

You can't cancel your order at this point for a refund, they just denied my request.

[bitcoin carpenter]

Dont take this to badly, but bfl customers prove how pathetic bitcoin mining characters are whille being back humped
Big bunch of hoto's

[bitcoin carpenter]

I know I was being a trill there.....
Sorry just had a bottle of wine and was just being beligerent due to frustration over the whole deal

[Syke]

You can't cancel your order at this point for a refund, they just denied my request.

Don't give up. Call Paypal and explain how BFL is violating the Paypal Terms of Service.

[DrJoeGrine]

Joshua you are a sad sock puppet. What you don't realize is Sonny is setting you up for such a monumental fall. Your lack of intelligence makes you such an easy target. Your arrogance and condescension will be the end of you. I hope your mother is proud of the dirtbag she raised. What goes around comes around. Don't drop the soap.

BTW
Will you still make your September deadline?
Why are you intent on violating FTC regulations with your refund policy?
Are you shipping 400 units per day?

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Meanwhile, Josh goes to put in a bid for more advertising on these forums.

Don't go spending money until everyone gets a refund, Inaba.

Actually, they need new customers to pay for the refunds.

(new customers to PAY for the refunds)³

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Joshua you are a sad sock puppet. What you don't realize is Sonny is setting you up for such a monumental fall. Your lack of intelligence makes you such an easy target. Your arrogance and condescension will be the end of you. I hope your mother is proud of the dirtbag she raised. What goes around comes around. Don't drop the soap.

BTW
Will you still make your September deadline?
Why are you intent on violating FTC regulations with your refund policy?
Are you shipping 400 units per day?

Yep! Joshua fell for the oldest confidence trick in the book. Sadly Luckily, he'll fail to heed your advice.