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Title: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 21, 2013, 08:10:55 PM
As some of you may know, mtrlt stepped up to make a GPU miner for PrimeCoin by creating a thread announcing that he will work on a GPU miner, in which he put a "Donation address" "that will also get you early private beta access to the miner". [1] (http://"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0")[4] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.msg2931303#msg2931303)

It has now been one month and three days since he created the thread [1] (http://"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0"), he has 75 of our BTC[2] (https://blockchain.info/address/1FKfgFQeZCpjGDn7ocgj26nk4K2TNiVJyD), and his last update of any sort was given out on August 14, 2013, 07:10:25 PM, Six days, and 20 hours ago. [3] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=273637)

We still have no GPU Miner.[1] (http://"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0") We might have been BFL'd. [No citation needed]

Since he was accepting "Donations", it means that he technically CAN legally run away with the BTC, AND the GPU miner and we would have absolutely nothing to prosecute him in court with. Although I am doubtful he will do this. It is possible that he is mining with his GPU miner for a long while, stashing large amounts of coins to then dump, and THEN maybe release the GPU miner. It is also possible that he had a heart attack and died mysteriously. Or maybe there never existed a GPU miner to begin with?

I place no opinion on this subject. Just being objective here. I am just making this information clearly available and understandable to the public.

You decide on how you feel about this situation.

Sources:

[1] - Original Thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0
[2] - Blockchain.Info for his donation address - https://blockchain.info/address/1FKfgFQeZCpjGDn7ocgj26nk4K2TNiVJyD
[3] - His second thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=273637
[4] - Quote of the original text of his first post in his original thread. - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.msg2931303#msg2931303

You're welcome.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: Luckybit on August 21, 2013, 08:14:36 PM
As some of you may know, mtrlt stepped up to make a GPU miner for PrimeCoin by creating a thread announcing that he will work on a GPU miner, in which he put a "Donation address" "that will also get you early private beta access to the miner". [1] (http://"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0")[4] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.msg2931303#msg2931303)

It has now been one month and three days since he created the thread [1] (http://"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0"), he has 75 of our BTC[2] (https://blockchain.info/address/1FKfgFQeZCpjGDn7ocgj26nk4K2TNiVJyD), and his last update of any sort was given out on August 14, 2013, 07:10:25 PM, Six days, and 20 hours ago. [3] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=273637)

We still have no GPU Miner.[1] (http://"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0") We might have been BFL'd. [No citation needed]

Since he was accepting "Donations", it means that he technically CAN legally run away with the BTC, AND the GPU miner and we would have absolutely nothing to prosecute him in court with. Although I am doubtful he will do this. It is possible that he is mining with his GPU miner for a long while, stashing large amounts of coins to then dump, and THEN maybe release the GPU miner. It is also possible that he had a heart attack and died mysteriously. Or maybe there never existed a GPU miner to begin with?

I place no opinion on this subject. Just being objective here. I am just making this information clearly available and understandable to the public.

You decide on how you feel about this situation.

Sources:

[1] - Original Thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0
[2] - Blockchain.Info for his donation address - https://blockchain.info/address/1FKfgFQeZCpjGDn7ocgj26nk4K2TNiVJyD
[3] - His second thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=273637
[4] - Quote of the original text of his first post in his original thread. - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.msg2931303#msg2931303

You're welcome.


Why would he scam people and ruin his ability to potentially make millions of dollars to make a few thousand?


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 21, 2013, 08:15:58 PM
Good question. The same situation applies to the BitSpend situation. It's perfectly possible the for a scammer to not think things through, or maybe a scammer would want quick, easy money. Who knows.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: MaGNeT on August 21, 2013, 08:21:51 PM
Maybe his account got hacked and it wasn't the real mtrlt.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 21, 2013, 08:23:51 PM
https://i.imgur.com/qwLseBS.png

Okay, just being silly now.

That IS a possibility. But how likely is it that he has not regained access to his account after so much time?


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: MaGNeT on August 21, 2013, 08:30:27 PM
https://i.imgur.com/qwLseBS.png

Okay, just being silly now.

That IS a possibility. But how likely is it that he has not regained access to his account after so much time?

Well, imagine he isn't using it?


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: Hydroponica on August 21, 2013, 08:32:55 PM
As some of you may know, mtrlt stepped up to make a GPU miner for PrimeCoin by creating a thread announcing that he will work on a GPU miner, in which he put a "Donation address" "that will also get you early private beta access to the miner". [1] (http://"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0")[4] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.msg2931303#msg2931303)

It has now been one month and three days since he created the thread [1] (http://"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0"), he has 75 of our BTC[2] (https://blockchain.info/address/1FKfgFQeZCpjGDn7ocgj26nk4K2TNiVJyD), and his last update of any sort was given out on August 14, 2013, 07:10:25 PM, Six days, and 20 hours ago. [3] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=273637)

We still have no GPU Miner.[1] (http://"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0") We might have been BFL'd. [No citation needed]

Since he was accepting "Donations", it means that he technically CAN legally run away with the BTC, AND the GPU miner and we would have absolutely nothing to prosecute him in court with. Although I am doubtful he will do this. It is possible that he is mining with his GPU miner for a long while, stashing large amounts of coins to then dump, and THEN maybe release the GPU miner. It is also possible that he had a heart attack and died mysteriously. Or maybe there never existed a GPU miner to begin with?

I place no opinion on this subject. Just being objective here. I am just making this information clearly available and understandable to the public.

You decide on how you feel about this situation.

Sources:

[1] - Original Thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0
[2] - Blockchain.Info for his donation address - https://blockchain.info/address/1FKfgFQeZCpjGDn7ocgj26nk4K2TNiVJyD
[3] - His second thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=273637
[4] - Quote of the original text of his first post in his original thread. - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.msg2931303#msg2931303

You're welcome.


Why would he scam people and ruin his ability to potentially make millions of dollars to make a few thousand?

I love it when people dump money into something, that doesn't exist yet. No prototype / alpha client, no investment. ::)


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: smolen on August 21, 2013, 08:33:39 PM
For what's it worth... Mtrlt is very talented developer, clearly capable of creating GPU miner for Primecoin. I used cgminer as a host for my Copperlark mining kernel, for Quark miner and upcoming Primecoin one I use reaper. (cgminer is more powerful, but reaper is much, much more flexible)
So the right question would be "How we can be sure that Mtrlt is alive and out of troubles".


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: cryptocoinsnews on August 21, 2013, 08:36:35 PM
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2013/08/21/what-happened-to-mtrlt-did-he-just-scam-us-of-75-btc/


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: gigawatt on August 21, 2013, 08:38:52 PM
Oh for shit's sake, put away your pitchforks and get off your high horses.
This amount of kicking and screaming contributes nothing.

If you were scammed and mtrlt never comes back, just cut your losses and move on.  You won't be getting your coins back.
If mtrlt does release a beta to everybody who donated, all of you personally owe him an apology.

Bitching and moaning contributes to neither of these ends, so they should be put to a stop.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: usahero on August 21, 2013, 08:39:39 PM
I think he is still working or already reaping the reward of his miner.

Even if he scammed us for 75 btc, which I doubt, he deserves the donation for his previous work on Reaper mining client. I doubt any significant number of Reaper users ever sent him any donation.

And I'm pretty sure mtrtl on this forum is the same guy who created the Reaper. Even RealSolid said so.. :)


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 21, 2013, 08:52:57 PM
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2013/08/21/what-happened-to-mtrlt-did-he-just-scam-us-of-75-btc/

Lol bro give me credit and pay me money :P

Anyways. I know that the guy is capable of making the mining client. Much in the same way BitSpend was capable of properly processing orders and BFL was capable of shipping a couple of miners. That doesn't automatically equate to legitimacy. This could orchestrate a perfect scam. Gain trust doing legitimate work, then use the trust to steal.

Just sayin.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: hasle2 on August 21, 2013, 09:40:14 PM
I'm not going to speculate on what mtlrt has/is or has/is not doing but one thing is clear: He is a terrible communicator. When people invest that much money spending a few minutes a day writing short but non trivial updates is a no brainer. It's not that hard to put out "Made some progress, x is now working but I not have challenge y to overcome. I expect y to take a-b days." or "I will not be able to work on it the next few days because of personal reasons, will post update in c days."


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: reb0rn21 on August 21, 2013, 09:45:12 PM
ppl with VPS payed him a lot more then ~70BTC to stall a GPU miner for a year  ;D

btw mrlt secret wallet  8)
http://blockchain.info/address/1DEpjpftLbsGiCJvJDp2F2quVRnymV8U5Q (http://blockchain.info/address/1DEpjpftLbsGiCJvJDp2F2quVRnymV8U5Q)


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 21, 2013, 10:18:28 PM
As some of you may know, mtrlt stepped up to make a GPU miner for PrimeCoin by creating a thread announcing that he will work on a GPU miner, in which he put a "Donation address" "that will also get you early private beta access to the miner". [1] (http://"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0")[4] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.msg2931303#msg2931303)

It has now been one month and three days since he created the thread [1] (http://"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0"), he has 75 of our BTC[2] (https://blockchain.info/address/1FKfgFQeZCpjGDn7ocgj26nk4K2TNiVJyD), and his last update of any sort was given out on August 14, 2013, 07:10:25 PM, Six days, and 20 hours ago. [3] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=273637)

We still have no GPU Miner.[1] (http://"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0") We might have been BFL'd. [No citation needed]

Since he was accepting "Donations", it means that he technically CAN legally run away with the BTC, AND the GPU miner and we would have absolutely nothing to prosecute him in court with. Although I am doubtful he will do this. It is possible that he is mining with his GPU miner for a long while, stashing large amounts of coins to then dump, and THEN maybe release the GPU miner. It is also possible that he had a heart attack and died mysteriously. Or maybe there never existed a GPU miner to begin with?

I place no opinion on this subject. Just being objective here. I am just making this information clearly available and understandable to the public.

You decide on how you feel about this situation.

Sources:

[1] - Original Thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0
[2] - Blockchain.Info for his donation address - https://blockchain.info/address/1FKfgFQeZCpjGDn7ocgj26nk4K2TNiVJyD
[3] - His second thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=273637
[4] - Quote of the original text of his first post in his original thread. - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.msg2931303#msg2931303

You're welcome.



Isn't this like the third or fourth thread you've created on this subject?

How do you get he scammed you? Did he give a date of delivery?

Prosecute him? Seriously? Are you retarded?

Furthermore you have given absolutely zero proof you donated anything in the first place.


~BCX~

1. First thread, the other thread was related but it was not this subject.
2. I did not say he scammed me.
3. I am speaking hypothetically.
4. I never said that I donated anything. I am just a reporter, reporting the facts.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: primedigger on August 21, 2013, 11:43:09 PM
I still believe that Mtrlt does and didn't intend to scam you out of your money and will give you an update soon. However, I'm not sure if a fast GPU miner for primecoins is feasible at all: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279194.msg2983323#msg2983323

Edit: Moved my lengthly explanation into its own thread.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: CoinHoarder on August 21, 2013, 11:51:49 PM
So he hasn't posted an update in less than a week and you're ready to bring out the pitchforks?

Slow your roll. At least give him.... one whole week.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: tbly13 on August 22, 2013, 12:47:47 AM
LOLLOLLOL. If he fucks everyone, Everyone fucked definitely deserves it :)


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 22, 2013, 12:50:56 AM
Reporting facts is called bitching? And bringing pitchforks?

C'mon.

Stop crying.

I expressed no opinions. Simply reported facts. Whether or not it is good or bad - you decide. Only you.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: skyhigh2004 on August 22, 2013, 12:51:06 AM
So he hasn't posted an update in less than a week and you're ready to bring out the pitchforks?

Slow your roll. At least give him.... one whole week.

Agreed.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: digitalindustry on August 22, 2013, 03:34:38 AM
Dam glad I didn't throw any money to this , maybe the free market works better in a community open environment ?

Oh well .

I think he will come up with something .


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: STT on August 22, 2013, 03:49:52 AM
just a reporter, reporting the facts.
you have nothing to fear from the truth unless you are guilty


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: DigitalMan on August 22, 2013, 03:51:21 AM
reallly odd no response


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: drummerjdb666 on August 22, 2013, 04:03:05 AM
Reporting facts is called bitching? And bringing pitchforks?

C'mon.

Stop crying.

I expressed no opinions. Simply reported facts. Whether or not it is good or bad - you decide. Only you.

Then what is the actual point of this thread?  there are still vps boys makin a fuckin killing!  Surely it's not ready yet.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: tacotime on August 22, 2013, 04:48:39 AM
Furries


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: Aragami on August 22, 2013, 05:16:33 AM
Furries

OP = furry = everyone giving him credibility = shoot me.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: bitwarrior on August 22, 2013, 07:27:12 AM
As some of you may know, mtrlt stepped up to make a GPU miner for PrimeCoin by creating a thread announcing that he will work on a GPU miner, in which he put a "Donation address" "that will also get you early private beta access to the miner". [1] (http://"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0")[4] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.msg2931303#msg2931303)

It has now been one month and three days since he created the thread [1] (http://"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0"), he has 75 of our BTC[2] (https://blockchain.info/address/1FKfgFQeZCpjGDn7ocgj26nk4K2TNiVJyD), and his last update of any sort was given out on August 14, 2013, 07:10:25 PM, Six days, and 20 hours ago. [3] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=273637)

We still have no GPU Miner.[1] (http://"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0") We might have been BFL'd. [No citation needed]

Since he was accepting "Donations", it means that he technically CAN legally run away with the BTC, AND the GPU miner and we would have absolutely nothing to prosecute him in court with. Although I am doubtful he will do this. It is possible that he is mining with his GPU miner for a long while, stashing large amounts of coins to then dump, and THEN maybe release the GPU miner. It is also possible that he had a heart attack and died mysteriously. Or maybe there never existed a GPU miner to begin with?

I place no opinion on this subject. Just being objective here. I am just making this information clearly available and understandable to the public.

You decide on how you feel about this situation.

Sources:

[1] - Original Thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0
[2] - Blockchain.Info for his donation address - https://blockchain.info/address/1FKfgFQeZCpjGDn7ocgj26nk4K2TNiVJyD
[3] - His second thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=273637
[4] - Quote of the original text of his first post in his original thread. - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.msg2931303#msg2931303

You're welcome.



Isn't this like the third or fourth thread you've created on this subject?

How do you get he scammed you? Did he give a date of delivery?

Prosecute him? Seriously? Are you retarded?

Furthermore you have given absolutely zero proof you donated anything in the first place.


~BCX~

1. First thread, the other thread was related but it was not this subject.
2. I did not say he scammed me.    { Read again the title of your thread " What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam US of 75 BTC" }
3. I am speaking hypothetically.
4. I never said that I donated anything. I am just a reporter, reporting the facts.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: lucasjkr on August 22, 2013, 08:25:44 AM
As some of you may know, mtrlt stepped up to make a GPU miner for PrimeCoin by creating a thread announcing that he will work on a GPU miner, in which he put a "Donation address" "that will also get you early private beta access to the miner". [1] (http://"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0")[4] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.msg2931303#msg2931303)

It has now been one month and three days since he created the thread [1] (http://"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0"), he has 75 of our BTC[2] (https://blockchain.info/address/1FKfgFQeZCpjGDn7ocgj26nk4K2TNiVJyD), and his last update of any sort was given out on August 14, 2013, 07:10:25 PM, Six days, and 20 hours ago. [3] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=273637)

We still have no GPU Miner.[1] (http://"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0") We might have been BFL'd. [No citation needed]

Since he was accepting "Donations", it means that he technically CAN legally run away with the BTC, AND the GPU miner and we would have absolutely nothing to prosecute him in court with. Although I am doubtful he will do this. It is possible that he is mining with his GPU miner for a long while, stashing large amounts of coins to then dump, and THEN maybe release the GPU miner. It is also possible that he had a heart attack and died mysteriously. Or maybe there never existed a GPU miner to begin with?

I place no opinion on this subject. Just being objective here. I am just making this information clearly available and understandable to the public.

You decide on how you feel about this situation.

Sources:

[1] - Original Thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0
[2] - Blockchain.Info for his donation address - https://blockchain.info/address/1FKfgFQeZCpjGDn7ocgj26nk4K2TNiVJyD
[3] - His second thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=273637
[4] - Quote of the original text of his first post in his original thread. - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.msg2931303#msg2931303

You're welcome.


Why would he scam people and ruin his ability to potentially make millions of dollars to make a few thousand?

What millions could he have made?


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: arnuschky on August 22, 2013, 08:35:37 AM

Code:
$ strings -n 20 ~/.primecoin/blocks/blk00000.dat                               
[...]
"All hail king sunny"
"All hail king sunny"
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
!100% Naturally Grown Prime Chains
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
)=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
1=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
.=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta

The first block was there already last week, the others were added between end of last week and now. I guess that's mtrlt testing, because if this is truly the only blocks mined with his GPU miner, it's nothing.

People should stop shouting scammer all the time in these forums. Development is not always straight-forward, and some people have a live as well.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 22, 2013, 03:51:59 PM
Yeah. Don't be a hitler. :P


Code:
$ strings -n 20 ~/.primecoin/blocks/blk00000.dat                               
[...]
"All hail king sunny"
"All hail king sunny"
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
!100% Naturally Grown Prime Chains
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
)=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
1=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta
.=This block was mined with mtrlt's GPU miner version 0.01 Beta

The first block was there already last week, the others were added between end of last week and now. I guess that's mtrlt testing, because if this is truly the only blocks mined with his GPU miner, it's nothing.

People should stop shouting scammer all the time in these forums. Development is not always straight-forward, and some people have a live as well.

Realize that this text can be inserted by absolutely anybody with their own regular CPU miner. This is not sufficient evidence to base any trust on.

Furthermore, I have not shouted "scammer". I asked the question, and gave it no answer.


Furries

OP = furry = everyone giving him credibility = shoot me.

I can help you with that. :P

Reporting facts is called bitching? And bringing pitchforks?

C'mon.

Stop crying.

I expressed no opinions. Simply reported facts. Whether or not it is good or bad - you decide. Only you.


You seem to have an agenda, this is your third thread on this subject.


~BCX~

Or he genuinely believes there is cause for concern. You always assume the worst.

Exactly.

If Mr. Mtrlt ends up being a scammer, it does not affect me in any way shape or form. I'm not trying to rip any BTC back outa him cause I didn't give him any BTC.

I found nobody else making a thread clearing up the information, so I created one, for the better of the community.

Seems like people just can't handle the truth, maybe in fear of Mr. Mtrlt actually having scammed people, resulting in a loss of their own profits.

Reporting facts is called bitching? And bringing pitchforks?

C'mon.

Stop crying.

I expressed no opinions. Simply reported facts. Whether or not it is good or bad - you decide. Only you.


You seem to have an agenda, this is your third thread on this subject.


~BCX~

List me this mysterious second thread that I have created on this subject. I do have memory loss problems but I'm pretty sure I can remember creating so many other threads about the same thing. :P The only one I remember was of a related subject, but not of this specific subject.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: Stinky_Pete on August 22, 2013, 04:06:09 PM
Well, my impression from mtrlt's postings is that
a) it's a lot more difficult than he thought
b) his real life suddenly altered, leaving him little time for coding or posting
c) he may have got some working code, but it's a lot slower than CPU mining

Would the donators be happy to get the hypothetical code from c)?


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 22, 2013, 04:16:17 PM
If this is the case, he certainly should be announcing it to make it clear to everyone, rather than leave us with uncertainty, where all we can do is speculate.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: arnuschky on August 22, 2013, 04:36:31 PM
Realize that this text can be inserted by absolutely anybody with their own regular CPU miner. This is not sufficient evidence to base any trust on.

Sure. Might have been part of the "download mtrlt's miner for 2BTC" scam that was floating around the forum, for example.

Has anyone observed a spike in difficulty? There was a nice chart somewhere to be found, but I can't remember the URL.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: arnuschky on August 22, 2013, 04:37:59 PM
A bit more on-topic: can anyone that donated >1BTC confirm that they haven't received the beta of the miner yet?


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: mr_random on August 22, 2013, 05:22:01 PM
Perhaps this could end up in a BFL style situation.

I suspect mtrlt is finding it more challenging than he originally anticipated to construct a GPU miner which offers superior performance.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 22, 2013, 05:24:13 PM
Perhaps this could end up in a BFL style situation.

I suspect mtrlt is finding it more challenging than he originally anticipated to construct a GPU miner which offers superior performance.

This is one of the situations I speculated about in my original post. I think that it is likely that mtrlt is not technically scamming, although still providing a very unsatisfactory result with the money he has been given. Reason or intent is unknown.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: mr_random on August 22, 2013, 05:26:46 PM
Perhaps this could end up in a BFL style situation.

I suspect mtrlt is finding it more challenging than he originally anticipated to construct a GPU miner which offers superior performance.

This is one of the situations I speculated about in my original post. I think that it is likely that mtrlt is not technically scamming, although still providing a very unsatisfactory result with the money he has been given. Reason or intent is unknown.

What if he turns around and says 'Sorry guys it was too hard for me to implement, I hit a brick wall and have given up. But I am still keeping the donations because I put all the time and effort in trying to do it and time is money'.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 22, 2013, 05:28:55 PM
That is also a possibility. I knew that it was a bad idea to donate from the start, as situations like these are painfully possible.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: garumaru on August 22, 2013, 06:02:45 PM
Perhaps this could end up in a BFL style situation.

I suspect mtrlt is finding it more challenging than he originally anticipated to construct a GPU miner which offers superior performance.

This is one of the situations I speculated about in my original post. I think that it is likely that mtrlt is not technically scamming, although still providing a very unsatisfactory result with the money he has been given. Reason or intent is unknown.

What if he turns around and says 'Sorry guys it was too hard for me to implement, I hit a brick wall and have given up. But I am still keeping the donations because I put all the time and effort in trying to do it and time is money'.

I don't know about everyone, but 75BTC is like 3 months worth of pay cheque in my country.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 22, 2013, 07:01:44 PM
Yes. Of course. But this depends what the pay check is for. Hourly wages are not determined by the strength of effort or whatnot. They are determined by their rareness.

Surely we all know what gives any given thing it's value. Everyone here must be an economics nerd since it heavily applies to bitcoin. Quantity and total market size determines value.

A similar situation applies to the hourly wage of a job.

Reason why mr. mtrlt would legitimately earn so much money if not more with such a job is because, very simply, not a lot of other people can do it. Capitalism takes place. Bam. 55 dollars an hour for the job. Or more in the commercial world. Why? Good luck finding someone else to do it for you cheaper. :P

It's normal.

Specific programming jobs like the one Mr. Mtrlt would be doing (provided he is not a scammer) are always very high paying. It's not a surprise.

Anyways. In the US, going by the federal minimum wage of just over 1000 USD, 75 BTC would be between 5-10 months of work, depending on the hours served. Gross numbers.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: snailbrain on August 22, 2013, 07:34:09 PM
maybe he's on his laptop reading this on the beach in Hawaii with a cocktail purchased with your btcs...

if it is the real guy i really don't think he needs to run away with all your 75btc.. and i don't think he would even if he's not so rich..

also he is still visiting the forum
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=9010

or maybe.. he already has given out the code/binaries and we are now in the "1 week prior public" period


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: pyromaniac on August 22, 2013, 07:37:26 PM
LOLLOLLOL. If he fucks everyone, Everyone fucked definitely deserves it :)
In my country people say same thing about president.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: igysa on August 22, 2013, 10:51:26 PM
It was very stupid to trust the guy, without seeing his previous posts here.. and when you take a look, you can see that he is like a shallow river in this department he asked money for :P
I’m shocked to see people defending him like he promised nothing.. he asked money openly and freely like no one ever did in this forum, and if you take a look at hard working honest guys like Mikaelekh, or Sunny, or name them, they would never do such a thing ! And those people deserve donations.. I gave few times.. This mtrlrmrl..he sounded very confident like "give me the money, I will give you the miner" .. he tricked people big time so obviously and some are defending him ?!  pretty BIG SCUM..

ps. saying actually that he is not a Reaper creator.. most probably copycat..


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: BazkieBumpercar on August 23, 2013, 01:25:47 AM
plot twist: miner already working and in use by donators, happy end

just guessing :P


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: Arros on August 23, 2013, 01:46:30 AM
I first have to say I'm not familiar with what's going on with the GPU miner.

I'm just curious whether the developer may do a partial/full refund if the project doesn't produce a useful miner.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: Asphyxiated on August 23, 2013, 03:47:42 AM
I first have to say I'm not familiar with what's going on with the GPU miner.

I'm just curious whether the developer may do a partial/full refund if the project doesn't produce a useful miner.

lol lol, why would he do that? they were DONATIONS, if he couldn't do it that doesnt change the fact that you DONATED money for him to try. There was no guarantee that you will get anything for paying, and if you did get anything, everyone would be getting in shortly thereafter. I chose to wait and see if he lived up to his deadlines. he didnt... many times... if this was the first or second hang up i might have some faith that this is still coming out soon but he goes missing quite often.. His last post stated that he was basically done, 1 or 2 days more work and beta would be out, big surprise that didn't happen.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: tbly13 on August 23, 2013, 05:20:21 AM
lol


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 23, 2013, 02:08:48 PM
I first have to say I'm not familiar with what's going on with the GPU miner.

I'm just curious whether the developer may do a partial/full refund if the project doesn't produce a useful miner.

lol lol, why would he do that? they were DONATIONS, if he couldn't do it that doesnt change the fact that you DONATED money for him to try. There was no guarantee that you will get anything for paying, and if you did get anything, everyone would be getting in shortly thereafter. I chose to wait and see if he lived up to his deadlines. he didnt... many times... if this was the first or second hang up i might have some faith that this is still coming out soon but he goes missing quite often.. His last post stated that he was basically done, 1 or 2 days more work and beta would be out, big surprise that didn't happen.

Yep. Because he called them donations. He can keep them by the full extent of the law. :P This is what the people who gave him nearly ten thousand dollars didn't realize. their money is gone, and they assumed too well of him.

There isn't always a happy ending.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: paulthetafy on August 23, 2013, 02:14:24 PM
Just FYI, I donated - if I receive the miner, great, if he decides to fuck off with the money, so be it, it was a donation.  The only reason I would expect him to finish it is because he is a respected developer and (hope that he) has a respect for others in the community.  I'm certainly not expecting him to finish it just because we paid him!

He knows that if he doesn't come through with it, or at least publicly show that he is trying to as he was previously, he's going to lose a lot of respect in the crypto world.  I'm not sure that would be worth $10k to him.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 23, 2013, 02:16:28 PM
I'm expecting him to finish it because he got about 7 months of the average US income in 3 weeks, regardless of whether or not they were "donations".

But that's just my opinion.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: paulthetafy on August 23, 2013, 02:39:34 PM
I'm expecting him to finish it because he got about 7 months of the average US income in 3 weeks, regardless of whether or not they were "donations".

But that's just my opinion.

Is the US average income that low?  Wow glad I don't live there!  With respect, as a developer of his talents he should be earning at least that per month. 


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 23, 2013, 03:33:33 PM
That's true, But with that wage you have quite the responsibility to deliver a product.

Anyways. Yeah. That's minimum wage. The wage of every burger-flipper, cash-register person, and waitress you see every day. :P


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: tbly13 on August 23, 2013, 04:02:37 PM
Im jealous I didnt think of it first >:(


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: reb0rn21 on August 23, 2013, 04:25:16 PM
That's true, But with that wage you have quite the responsibility to deliver a product.

Anyways. Yeah. That's minimum wage. The wage of every burger-flipper, cash-register person, and waitress you see every day. :P

Will you pls stop bullshit! ffs
The bum at the street collect more bottles and earn more in a month there!

You are comparing some high tech coding with a minimal wage from someone whos doing nothing!!!


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 23, 2013, 04:56:31 PM
That's true, But with that wage you have quite the responsibility to deliver a product.

Anyways. Yeah. That's minimum wage. The wage of every burger-flipper, cash-register person, and waitress you see every day. :P

Will you pls stop bullshit! ffs
The bum at the street collect more bottles and earn more in a month there!

You are comparing some high tech coding with a minimal wage from someone whos doing nothing!!!

List of jobs that pay minimum wage:
Certified Nursing Assistant - Self explanatory
Child Care Provider
Farm Worker - Spreading pesticides to crops, removing weeds, harvesting plants and overall taking care of things that overall are vital to getting you the food you eat every day.
Emergency Medical Technician - The people who answer 911 calls
Automotive Service Technicians - The people who fix your cars.
Income Tax Preparer
Recreational Protective Services - Lifeguards, ski patrol personnel and other people who watch over us while people are swimming.
Casheirs - The people who make all of your purchases of beer at walmart, burgers at mcdonalds and whatnot quick and easy.
Janitors - The people who clean up behind all of your messes at work, restaurants, and stores, as well as the people who clean up your diarrhea that clogged the men's restroom toilet

It goes on a lot.

I'm not complaining, I'm just pointing out the facts. If you can't handle the truth, deal with it.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: reb0rn21 on August 23, 2013, 05:07:40 PM
1. and where do you see they earn BRUTO ~1000$ a month???

2. i am not a programmer but if i was a good one i would expect wage as lawyer not less!


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 23, 2013, 05:11:11 PM
1. and where do you see they earn BRUTO ~1000$ a month???

2. i am not a programmer but if i was a good one i would expect wage as lawyer not less!

These are well-known minimum-wage jobs. Google it.

$8.00 full time (40 hours per week) is $320.00 per week = $1,280.00 per month.

Although, assuming minimum wage is 8 dollars an hour is innacurate. It varies by state, and $8 is around the highest you'll find in any state. But the federal minimum wage is 7.5. (I think)


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: reb0rn21 on August 23, 2013, 05:57:53 PM
Still that`s neto not bruto, anyway try and find any programmer do work for you for 8$/h, better offer the price to someone in face and face the consequence :P


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: Sondey10mg on August 23, 2013, 05:59:57 PM
Still that`s neto not bruto, anyway try and find any programmer do work for you for 8$/h, better offer the price to someone in face and face the consequence :P

He's not been working on it for 5-10 months...


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 23, 2013, 06:03:34 PM
Still that`s neto not bruto, anyway try and find any programmer do work for you for 8$/h, better offer the price to someone in face and face the consequence :P

I didn't say the job is overpaid. I said that because the job earns so much, it should be absolute top priority.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: CryptoBeggar on August 23, 2013, 06:05:34 PM
Is anyone giving him negative feedback? Is that even an option in a case like that? Curious...


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: reb0rn21 on August 23, 2013, 06:05:38 PM
Still that`s neto not bruto, anyway try and find any programmer do work for you for 8$/h, better offer the price to someone in face and face the consequence :P

He's not been working on it for 5-10 months...

yeah easy as pie, why don`t you do it on a day or two and earn ~75BTC, i bet someone puled your hand to pay :P

or you have a contract what you pay for and what should be delivered :)

Still i bet you gona get GPU miner, but speed ....


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: FiiNALiZE on August 23, 2013, 06:10:41 PM
Still that`s neto not bruto, anyway try and find any programmer do work for you for 8$/h, better offer the price to someone in face and face the consequence :P

I didn't say the job is overpaid. I said that because the job earns so much, it should be absolute top priority.

Dude I don't even know why you care so much; you didn't even donate.

It seems like you have a personal vendetta against mtrlt or something.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: reb0rn21 on August 23, 2013, 06:14:07 PM
also the truth is most ppl donated by grouping...  they all join and squezze 1BTC for it, so most have gave a lot less, that`s a fact :)

I bet my ass the OP did the same but he can not say :P

I hope for some mida protection and user/pass login for miner so they can`t share at the start or crack it :D


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 23, 2013, 06:19:37 PM
Still that`s neto not bruto, anyway try and find any programmer do work for you for 8$/h, better offer the price to someone in face and face the consequence :P

I didn't say the job is overpaid. I said that because the job earns so much, it should be absolute top priority.

Dude I don't even know why you care so much; you didn't even donate.

It seems like you have a personal vendetta against mtrlt or something.

This is true, I didn't donate a dime. (Partly because I didn't have a dime to donate at the time - I may have donated if I did - and If I did I would have regretted it, Big time)

Mr. Mtmrlt just got on my nerves, and I think that there is a possibility he scammed my fellow bitcoiners as well, and so, this is why I created the thread. I thought it needed a discussion place, too. :P

But the single biggest reason I created this thread is because I found it VERY suspicious that:

1. He didn't want people to know how much money he has gotten. Maybe so that other people go ahead and send him more...??

2. Now that people found out, he closed threads and deleted posts, removing all evidence. He even removed the original BTC donation address, making it difficult for people to see how much money he has received!

3. He called my stating of simple objective facts, completely lacking all and any judgement or negative statements towards him "whining", which I suspect is simply made up nonsense to cover up his past actions.

4. If he was legit, He'd come to this thread and make everything clear to all of us. But he does not.

All of this put together... isn't it just flat out suspicious?

I'm sorry Mr. Mtmrlt. I supported you at first, but now you have lost my faith.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: FiiNALiZE on August 23, 2013, 06:57:39 PM
Still that`s neto not bruto, anyway try and find any programmer do work for you for 8$/h, better offer the price to someone in face and face the consequence :P

I didn't say the job is overpaid. I said that because the job earns so much, it should be absolute top priority.

Dude I don't even know why you care so much; you didn't even donate.

It seems like you have a personal vendetta against mtrlt or something.

This is true, I didn't donate a dime. (Partly because I didn't have a dime to donate at the time - I may have donated if I did - and If I did I would have regretted it, Big time)

Mr. Mtmrlt just got on my nerves, and I think that there is a possibility he scammed my fellow bitcoiners as well, and so, this is why I created the thread. I thought it needed a discussion place, too. :P

But the single biggest reason I created this thread is because I found it VERY suspicious that:

1. He didn't want people to know how much money he has gotten. Maybe so that other people go ahead and send him more...??

2. Now that people found out, he closed threads and deleted posts, removing all evidence. He even removed the original BTC donation address, making it difficult for people to see how much money he has received!

3. He called my stating of simple objective facts, completely lacking all and any judgement or negative statements towards him "whining", which I suspect is simply made up nonsense to cover up his past actions.

4. If he was legit, He'd come to this thread and make everything clear to all of us. But he does not.

All of this put together... isn't it just flat out suspicious?

I'm sorry Mr. Mtmrlt. I supported you at first, but now you have lost my faith.

1. His BTC donation address is: 1FKfgFQeZCpjGDn7ocgj26nk4K2TNiVJyD. It's stated clearly (in bold) in his new thread.

2. He locked his original thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0) because people like you were spamming up his thread with scam accusations and such (no offense). You can clearly see he updated his OP with the link to his new thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=273637) that has everything the original post did, including the same BTC address. Look it up on the block explorer; all 75.30520335 BTC is there.

3. I don't see where he said you were whining in the original thread, but I can see why he locked it. The last 2 pages were completely off topic with jealous idiots drooling over the 75BTC he got.

4. Not sure about this one, but I hope he will clear it up soon.

The only thing he is in the wrong for right now is keeping everyone hanging. If he made a thread explaining his actions, I'm sure all of this will get cleared up.

lol also I just realized: your points 1 & 2 contradict each other. How can people keep sending him donations if he hid his donation address?


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 23, 2013, 07:13:44 PM
Still that`s neto not bruto, anyway try and find any programmer do work for you for 8$/h, better offer the price to someone in face and face the consequence :P

I didn't say the job is overpaid. I said that because the job earns so much, it should be absolute top priority.

Dude I don't even know why you care so much; you didn't even donate.

It seems like you have a personal vendetta against mtrlt or something.

This is true, I didn't donate a dime. (Partly because I didn't have a dime to donate at the time - I may have donated if I did - and If I did I would have regretted it, Big time)

Mr. Mtmrlt just got on my nerves, and I think that there is a possibility he scammed my fellow bitcoiners as well, and so, this is why I created the thread. I thought it needed a discussion place, too. :P

But the single biggest reason I created this thread is because I found it VERY suspicious that:

1. He didn't want people to know how much money he has gotten. Maybe so that other people go ahead and send him more...??

2. Now that people found out, he closed threads and deleted posts, removing all evidence. He even removed the original BTC donation address, making it difficult for people to see how much money he has received!

3. He called my stating of simple objective facts, completely lacking all and any judgement or negative statements towards him "whining", which I suspect is simply made up nonsense to cover up his past actions.

4. If he was legit, He'd come to this thread and make everything clear to all of us. But he does not.

All of this put together... isn't it just flat out suspicious?

I'm sorry Mr. Mtmrlt. I supported you at first, but now you have lost my faith.

1. His BTC donation address is: 1FKfgFQeZCpjGDn7ocgj26nk4K2TNiVJyD. It's stated clearly (in bold) in his new thread.

2. He locked his original thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258540.0) because people like you were spamming up his thread with scam accusations and such (no offense). You can clearly see he updated his OP with the link to his new thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=273637) that has everything the original post did, including the same BTC address. Look it up on the block explorer; all 75.30520335 BTC is there.

3. I don't see where he said you were whining in the original thread, but I can see why he locked it. The last 2 pages were completely off topic with jealous idiots drooling over the 75BTC he got.

4. Not sure about this one, but I hope he will clear it up soon.

The only thing he is in the wrong for right now is keeping everyone hanging. If he made a thread explaining his actions, I'm sure all of this will get cleared up.

lol also I just realized: your points 1 & 2 contradict each other. How can people keep sending him donations if he hid his donation address?

1. He hid the donation address from the thread that was exposing how much money he received, but he gladly showed his BTC address in the thread that did not have any information about how much money he received. My point holds perfectly.
2. I never accused him to begin with. I made a post with numbers on it.
3. He put it on the top of the new thread. He wasn't referring to the jealous idiots, he was referring to me after I reposted his BTC address's balance in the thread. (That is the post he deleted)

My point 1 & 2 do not contradict eachother. Please re-read what I said. He hid the BTC address after people started getting unhappy because they found out how much money was in that BTC address, then he created a new thread where he removed all posts that pointed out the blockchain.info link.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ToxicDartFrog on August 23, 2013, 07:21:14 PM
So I've never bothered with any XPM and didn't donate to this mtrlt guy either, but after seeing this thread floating here for a while I must say the fact that he hasn't popped in yet to say anything like "hey guys still working on it hit some challenges but it's still going" seems extremely suspicious. Hell, even a lot of scammers come back a few times to keep the donations rolling in.

So the way I see it either he got in trouble somehow and can no longer use the internet or he's made enough and is in full on hiding mode trying to keep away from any possibility of people figuring out who he is. Or I mean I guess he's just so honestly busy that he hasn't even thought about checking the forums but  ::)


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: FiiNALiZE on August 23, 2013, 07:23:42 PM
Sigh it really does seem you have a vendetta against him.

You're bending the facts here to make them fit your story.

There are so many logical fallacies in your argument, I don't know where to start.

How about you reread your post, mull it over for a while, then come back when you're less callow.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: peonminer on August 23, 2013, 07:23:53 PM
I say just shut up and give him/them your money!


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 23, 2013, 07:28:28 PM
Sigh it really does seem you have a vendetta against him.

You're bending the facts here to make them fit your story.

There are so many logical fallacies in your argument, I don't know where to start.

How about you reread your post, mull it over for a while, then come back when you're less callow.

Feel free to go ahead and start. I like to be corrected.

I'm not kidding.

Saying I'm wrong and not saying why it doesn't win any arguments either.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: Hilux74 on August 23, 2013, 07:29:45 PM
ReCat

Be the best person you can possibly be.

Take your own advice and stop being such a whinny pussy and stfu


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 23, 2013, 07:39:26 PM
ReCat

Be the best person you can possibly be.

Take your own advice and stop being such a whinny pussy and stfu

Please quote the places where I was whining, places where i'm posting numbers and other facts don't count, and it's normal for me to be a pussy, because that's just another word for cat. :P (see my avatar)

I'll only really take my advice with people who I think deserve it.

Thanks.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: Asphyxiated on August 23, 2013, 07:41:50 PM
That's true, But with that wage you have quite the responsibility to deliver a product.


Automotive Service Technicians - The people who fix your cars.

Not trying to be a dick here but my dad is an "Automotive Service Technician" and makes about $45/hr, not 8.95 which is Oregon's minimum wage.... not sure where you get this info from but no one at any shop my dad has worked for was paid minimum wage.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ToxicDartFrog on August 23, 2013, 07:41:56 PM
ReCat

Be the best person you can possibly be.

Take your own advice and stop being such a whinny pussy and stfu
You have 9 posts here? heh... why all the low post guys coming out of the woodwork? (guy who posted above has 3...)

Anyway, I have no investment in this whatsoever so I can be reasonable without having an agenda. It's kinda fishy this guy, whoever he is, hasn't even said a peep in quite some time now. I know if I was developing something like this and intended to deliver, I'd also be in the forums continuing hype and rolling in more donations, then when delivered no one would complain because they'd all be happy. In this case the silence is kind of weird. Either a snag was hit and he fears being able to make it work effectively, or he really has ran off.

Again, I have no investment in this, I'm just following the story and something isn't adding up.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: tbly13 on August 23, 2013, 07:50:42 PM
Maybe he had a stroke & died


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: bcp19 on August 23, 2013, 07:51:06 PM
I'm expecting him to finish it because he got about 7 months of the average US income in 3 weeks, regardless of whether or not they were "donations".

But that's just my opinion.
I'm confused here... I just got done reading:

Reporting facts is called bitching? And bringing pitchforks?
C'mon.
Stop crying.
I expressed no opinions. Simply reported facts. Whether or not it is good or bad - you decide. Only you.

Are you still reporting facts?

1) US citizens made $13,401,868,693 in personal Income for 2012 <--- THIS is called a fact http://bber.unm.edu/econ/us-tpi.htm
2) the MEDIAN income in the united states for 2012 was $39,332 ($3,277.67/month) <--- This is ALSO a fact.

(for those not in the know, median means ~50% of people made LESS and ~50% of people made MORE than $39.332.)

Using these 2 facts alone, in "one month and three days" (as you stated in your OP), mtrlt has made ~3 months of MEDIAN income for the United States. <-- yet another fact

Now, when I was still in the Navy, my income was over $5000 per month, and compared to civilians doing the same job, I was extremely underpaid.  So, now mtrlt has made less than 2 months of what I made when I was on active duty 8 years ago. <--- This again is a fact... are you writing this down?

Your <cough> FACT <cough> is..... lies.

Even now, working part time, I am making far more than your "average US income" figure.

The nest time you want to state facts, try using real ones, and NOT what some high-school dropout sweeping floors at McDonalds while scratching his ass is earning.

That said let's get down to reporting... A TRUE journalist reports this without bias or opinion.  Your thread title alone shows you fail in this respect.  When I saw you thread title my first thought was this thread belonged in one of those trash magazines next to an article on UFO's.

Damn, I was spot on.

This is an example of TRUE reporting:

It has been almost 5 weeks since mtrlt started working on a GPU program to mine Primecoins.  In order to motivate him to work faster, he asked for donations from those interested in the project.  While mtrlt has made some progress reports thus far, it is hard to follow them as his thread was starting to fill up with off-topic comments that had nothing to do with his work.  He then created a new thread to make reports, but closed it when the off-topic posts continued.  He has been silent since his last report nearly a week ago.

In other news, detractors of mtrlt have been flooding the internet with supposed facts that draw a very different picture from reality.  One poster claims mtrlt has run off with "7 months of average US income".  We checked into this claim and found that the poster thinks the 'average US income' is minimum wage.  We ran a study on the OP's title to his thread, and many people disagreed with his stated comment that "he was just reporting facts and not opinions".  We will keep you updated as more news breaks.

In related news, primedigger started a thread titled "So, why is porting primecoin mining to the GPU so difficult?".   We read through his article (which can be found at: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279194.0) and found some very interesting information.  While it is too lengthy to discuss at length here, we encourage our readers to go and check it out, I feel there is a lot of information there that may explain mtrlt's silence.

Now, back to Jill for the Weather!


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: tbly13 on August 23, 2013, 08:08:01 PM
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120329151235/southpark/images/e/ed/FaithHilling00046.png


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: bitspill on August 23, 2013, 08:16:57 PM
Bcp19, very well done :)


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 23, 2013, 09:13:59 PM
1. Average US income was assumed to be minimum wage due to the general state of the economy. This was an error on my part, and I acknowledge it.
2. I never called myself a journalist. Don't put words in my mouth.

Well, there is nothing more for me to say, because your whole debunking-of-all-my-facts streak was just correcting one erroneous statement I made. All other of my facts that you speak of as if false that I have made are correct as far as we are concerned.

The reason I chose this thread title was to gain attention to raise awareness to the situation I am trying to get eyes on. You gotta make enthusiastic titles, and asking a question like I did there is the best way. :P As I said, I'm not pretending to be a journalist or a reporter. I'm just helping people know what's going on.

Any further bias I have added past the original post has been due to my bitterness. I acknowledged it.

Even if I was biased, It still doesn't change the fact that mtrlt could have scammed us, for all we know, and I think that is something that everyone should know. Ultimately, I think you're just trying to seek ways to discredit me. Did Mtrlt pay you to write that post?  ::) He sure could have with that 45 BTC that has left his BTC address.

Or maybe I have schizophrenia. :P

You decide.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: usahero on August 23, 2013, 09:47:25 PM
This is changelog of xpm High performance miner.

Changes in -hp9:
 * Sunny's mining optimizations from 0.1.2.
* Minor mining optimizations from mtrlt and gatra.
 * Small sieve optimizations for 32-bit processors.
 * Sunny's new chains/day estimate.
 * Sunny's new 'listprimerecords' RPC command.
 * New default value for roundsievepercentage is 70 on mainnet (better chains/day, equal 5-chains/h).



So it is evident that mtrlt was working, he was doing something. It says minor, so maybe it was not such a big deal. But yeah, it would be good if he updated the status or provide the beta testers with current version. Maybe that would release some of the pressure he is currently under.

The nature of programming is, that it is done when it is done... And it usually takes much longer to complete goals than it was planned. And creating primecoin gpu miner is not piece of cake. I doubt mtrlt is using OpenCL on daily basis. He probably didn't use OpenCL for anything else but his reaper miner. So if he is not that versed in OpenCL, we should give him more time.

Would be good to hear a word from him.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: Lauda on August 23, 2013, 09:49:48 PM
http://troll.me/images/ancient-aliens-guy/i-dont-know-so-aliens.jpg
Hopefully he didn't.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: jackjack on August 23, 2013, 09:50:10 PM
Quote
Donations
Quote
He scammed us
WAT


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 23, 2013, 09:51:37 PM
Feel free to donate ten thousand dollars to me.
I might give you the secret to immortality!

(Except I won't, because it's a donation! )

Ooor, It's possible that mikaelh was paid by Mtrlt to write that? :P
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-J6vsXPgxyu8/UL--P6aHWKI/AAAAAAAABKY/Ij_UBN8LtKU/s320/giorgio-tsoukalos.jpeg


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: reb0rn21 on August 23, 2013, 10:12:41 PM
Feel free to donate ten thousand dollars to me.
I might give you the secret to immortality!

(Except I won't, because it's a donation! )

Ooor, It's possible that mikaelh was paid by Mtrlt to write that? :P
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-J6vsXPgxyu8/UL--P6aHWKI/AAAAAAAABKY/Ij_UBN8LtKU/s320/giorgio-tsoukalos.jpeg

So time for a new thread? :P

mikaelh get ready!


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: Lauda on August 23, 2013, 10:55:34 PM
Quote
Donations
Quote
He scammed us
WAT
Well this makes sense. He might have lied about the GPU miner. But he can't scam you if you donated, you didn't pay for anything.
You donated for his "work".


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 23, 2013, 11:29:07 PM
Feel free to donate ten thousand dollars to me.
I might give you the secret to immortality!

(Except I won't, because it's a donation! )

Ooor, It's possible that mikaelh was paid by Mtrlt to write that? :P
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-J6vsXPgxyu8/UL--P6aHWKI/AAAAAAAABKY/Ij_UBN8LtKU/s320/giorgio-tsoukalos.jpeg

So time for a new thread? :P

mikaelh get ready!
lol. xD


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: GSnak on August 23, 2013, 11:50:56 PM
This is an excellent thread.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 24, 2013, 12:18:29 AM
This is an excellent thread.

Thank you. I tend to make excellent threads. :P


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: FiiNALiZE on August 24, 2013, 01:08:17 AM
Alright I'll start with the first one:

1. He hid the donation address from the thread that was exposing how much money he received, but he gladly showed his BTC address in the thread that did not have any information about how much money he received. My point holds perfectly.

Your logic: People who find out how much money he made will be less likely to donate to him, so thus moving his address to a fresh thread will make him richer.

Alright there are a couple of problems. How will exposing the amount of money he made affect anything? It's like saying, "You shouldn't go to McDonalds because they made $3 billion last year." Unless you have solid proof that he is indeed scamming, not just conjecture, then it won't affect anything.

In fact, exposing the amount of money he made will make him more likely to receive donations. It's simple psychology. When someone see's that many people have trusted him, he/she will be more likely to trust him as well.

Also, I am sure that 99.99999% of everyone on this forum knows how to look up a BTC address. If he wanted to hide how much money he made, why did he use the same address?

There are a few more problems with that logic, but those were my main concerns.



And also #3:

3. He put it on the top of the new thread. He wasn't referring to the jealous idiots, he was referring to me after I reposted his BTC address's balance in the thread. (That is the post he deleted)

You're logic: He didn't want people to see his BTC address balance so he deleted your comment.

If you go to the last page of the original thread, there is someone drooling over the 74ish BTC he got. He made the new thread because people like you kept posting his 75BTC. Who the fuck cares? If he wanted to hide how much money he got, why did he use the same donation address (refer to above)? You really think he would be that stupid?


Also your last comment: He hid the BTC address after people started getting unhappy because they found out how much money was in that BTC address

Okay someone tell me that isn't jealousy. Wow, I wonder. Would they have been unhappy if those BTC were in their account?

 :'( :'( :'( Wow I can't believe mtrlt got 75BTC. Why can't I sit on my lazy ass all day and make 75BTC.  :'(

No.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: bitspill on August 24, 2013, 01:21:38 AM
All other of my facts that you speak of as if false that I have made are correct as far as we are concerned.

"Correct as far as we are concerned" What does that mean?
I thought we were talking facts here and aren't they always true otherwise they are no longer a fact.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: bcp19 on August 24, 2013, 01:33:48 AM
1. Average US income was assumed to be minimum wage due to the general state of the economy. This was an error on my part, and I acknowledge it.
2. I never called myself a journalist. Don't put words in my mouth.

Well, there is nothing more for me to say, because your whole debunking-of-all-my-facts streak was just correcting one erroneous statement I made. All other of my facts that you speak of as if false that I have made are correct as far as we are concerned.

The reason I chose this thread title was to gain attention to raise awareness to the situation I am trying to get eyes on. You gotta make enthusiastic titles, and asking a question like I did there is the best way. :P As I said, I'm not pretending to be a journalist or a reporter. I'm just helping people know what's going on.

Any further bias I have added past the original post has been due to my bitterness. I acknowledged it.

Even if I was biased, It still doesn't change the fact that mtrlt could have scammed us, for all we know, and I think that is something that everyone should know. Ultimately, I think you're just trying to seek ways to discredit me. Did Mtrlt pay you to write that post?  ::) He sure could have with that 45 BTC that has left his BTC address.

Or maybe I have schizophrenia. :P

You decide.
Thank you for your kind words, please see this thread:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280201 for my reply. (Post #4)


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: Trillium on August 24, 2013, 03:04:18 AM
ReCat uses Agitate The Masses, it's super effective!  :D


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ToxicDartFrog on August 24, 2013, 05:49:46 AM
So no matter how many people talk bad about him or support him this dude won't show up just to post even "hey i'm alive still working on it"? You'd think he'd be keeping up the hype before he delivers for more donations... Glad I have nothing to do with XPM too much oddness around it.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: usahero on August 24, 2013, 07:12:45 AM
Glad I have nothing to do with XPM too much oddness around it.

Says the UNOCS guy!!! :)


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: YipYip on August 24, 2013, 08:50:59 AM
...lolz

When it gets to BFL status then start jumping up and down

Code is created in silence not pplz rioting & swinging from the ceiling...

It wont happen over night but it will happen :D

Give it another 3 weeks and then i think maybe you can start making a LITTLE noises

BTW I earn after tax $660 per day 12 month contract rate as a programmer.... & the going rate is ~ 1000 per day to hire a Good coder (this is in australia & not even the US )

SO long story short you have paid for  1 week & 2 days work....so I would be quit if I was you otherwise he is justified to ask to be paid more !!...lolz


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: #Darren on August 24, 2013, 08:56:49 AM
Perhaps there never will be an effective gpu miner.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: rammy2k2 on August 24, 2013, 09:11:18 AM
Perhaps there never will be an effective gpu miner.

of course it wont, the coin is made for CPU only ...


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: Lauda on August 24, 2013, 09:33:45 AM
Perhaps there never will be an effective gpu miner.

of course it wont, the coin is made for CPU only ...
Most CPU coins eventually got their GPU miner so..

Patience I guess, unless he reappears soon, he's gone.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: bcp19 on August 24, 2013, 01:16:56 PM
Perhaps there never will be an effective gpu miner.
In time a GPU miner will be created, it's just like trying to juggle 10 balls at once... if at first you don't succeed, try, try again.  The individuals inate abiliy combined with a drive to succeed will determine the length of time this will take.


Title: Re: What happened to mtrlt? Did he just scam us of 75 BTC?
Post by: ReCat on August 24, 2013, 02:35:56 PM
I realize that this guy is right. I apologize for attempting to stir up the masses. I guess I'm an idiot and an ass afterall.

You can read my proper closing in the thread that guy above me created.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280201.0

I guess I will lock this thread now. It serves no purpose.