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Title: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Stedsm on January 27, 2018, 09:16:18 AM As we are all aware of the fact that a new "Merit" based system is in action, will the trust system get eradicated or may become obsolete?
Let's say that someone received a negative feedback for doing something bad like - account farming / sales / scam / spam / etc. As we can see in their trust rating, it will be dark red. But the main question here is, if such people realize what they did and actually start contributing to the forum and get merit points as well from established people here (as nobody can be stopped to give them merit points but we can decide that whose points are worth to be considered), will these people get another chance to start trading / given jobs like management or able to join signatures? That's something hit on my mind and I thought that it's better to ask because both these systems can't go hand-in-hand (based on what I'm observing after the implementation of merits). Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: actmyname on January 27, 2018, 09:19:40 AM You should at least use the trust system to contain scams. At the very least it should prevent people from being scammed by other users.
And you can't really have merit = reputation. High-quality posts don't always correlate with a user being trustworthy. Perhaps a large portion of the time, yes. But then how would you tailor to successful transactions between individuals? It doesn't seem right to send them merit as that was the argument with trust: bad post quality ≠ scams. Why can't it exactly go hand-in-hand? Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2018, 09:22:12 AM As we are all aware of the fact that a new "Merit" based system is in action, will the trust system get eradicated or may become obsolete? Let's say that someone received a negative feedback for doing something bad like - account farming / sales / scam / spam / etc. As we can see in their trust rating, it will be dark red. But the main question here is, if such people realize what they did and actually start contributing to the forum and get merit points as well from established people here (as nobody can be stopped to give them merit points but we can decide that whose points are worth to be considered), will these people get another chance to start trading / given jobs like management or able to join signatures? That's something hit on my mind and I thought that it's better to ask because both these systems can't go hand-in-hand (based on what I'm observing after the implementation of merits). Trust is more prevalent in the marketplace, I frequent and trade in collectibles tons.. now every trade I look at trust ratings, I don't adhere to the 2 levels of DT as the standard setting and I have a few exclusions on my list - but that is my bible when it comes to trading. if someone I trust or have dealt with has dealt with someone I will ask them if the other party is a good trading partner, then based on the amount to transact I then make a decision about using escrow or not. with 30+ people in that Sub I don't even have to look, I know its an instant trade with no escrow some deals for 5+ BTC.. so no - we need both systems and both can go hand in hand if they are embraced by all Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: supermandre on January 27, 2018, 09:25:03 AM No bruh it will still not be obsolete because the people behind giving the red trust are still giving red trust to those people that they THINK have questionable merits from their OWN judgement.
Those with red trust are not worthy given merits based on the post I read from the almighty DT's. They will also not be taking red trust because their judgement are final and cannot be reversed forever. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Lutpin on January 27, 2018, 09:26:26 AM ~snip~ You look fat in comic sans.You should start using papyrus, cs doesn't fit you. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: krishnaverma on January 27, 2018, 09:27:49 AM As we are all aware of the fact that a new "Merit" based system is in action, will the trust system get eradicated or may become obsolete? Merit is to judge the quality of the posts made by that person. Trust is related to the credibility. I think trust should be given more value as a cheater (scammer) is likely to cheat the merit system as well. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2018, 09:27:57 AM ~snip~ You look fat in comic sans.You should start using papyrus, cs doesn't fit you. I can't take his posts seriously in that font.. makes me think he is trolling us. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: otrkid70 on January 27, 2018, 09:31:02 AM As we are all aware of the fact that a new "Merit" based system is in action, will the trust system get eradicated or may become obsolete? Let's say that someone received a negative feedback for doing something bad like - account farming / sales / scam / spam / etc. As we can see in their trust rating, it will be dark red. But the main question here is, if such people realize what they did and actually start contributing to the forum and get merit points as well from established people here (as nobody can be stopped to give them merit points but we can decide that whose points are worth to be considered), will these people get another chance to start trading / given jobs like management or able to join signatures? That's something hit on my mind and I thought that it's better to ask because both these systems can't go hand-in-hand (based on what I'm observing after the implementation of merits). Trust is more prevalent in the marketplace, I frequent and trade in collectibles tons.. now every trade I look at trust ratings, I don't adhere to the 2 levels of DT as the standard setting and I have a few exclusions on my list - but that is my bible when it comes to trading. if someone I trust or have dealt with has dealt with someone I will ask them if the other party is a good trading partner, then based on the amount to transact I then make a decision about using escrow or not. with 30+ people in that Sub I don't even have to look, I know its an instant trade with no escrow some deals for 5+ BTC.. so no - we need both systems and both can go hand in hand if they are embraced by all I agree. I also use the trust system for selling and buying. I rely on it to see if there is any Questionable history with the user. I will ignore a Red "Spammer" or "Shitposter" when conducting business though as it has nothing to do with Trust and the deal we would be making. The trust system is Very much needed and i hope it stays. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: actmyname on January 27, 2018, 09:33:23 AM ~snip~ You look fat in comic sans.You should start using papyrus, cs doesn't fit you. I can't take his posts seriously in that font.. makes me think he is trolling us. I find that offensive! Anyway, like I said—these two systems should work somewhat independently of each other as they serve different purposes. Since theymos quickly pumped this out to prevent tagging spammers, the trust system should still remain. Make sense? Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2018, 09:33:59 AM As we are all aware of the fact that a new "Merit" based system is in action, will the trust system get eradicated or may become obsolete? Let's say that someone received a negative feedback for doing something bad like - account farming / sales / scam / spam / etc. As we can see in their trust rating, it will be dark red. But the main question here is, if such people realize what they did and actually start contributing to the forum and get merit points as well from established people here (as nobody can be stopped to give them merit points but we can decide that whose points are worth to be considered), will these people get another chance to start trading / given jobs like management or able to join signatures? That's something hit on my mind and I thought that it's better to ask because both these systems can't go hand-in-hand (based on what I'm observing after the implementation of merits). Trust is more prevalent in the marketplace, I frequent and trade in collectibles tons.. now every trade I look at trust ratings, I don't adhere to the 2 levels of DT as the standard setting and I have a few exclusions on my list - but that is my bible when it comes to trading. if someone I trust or have dealt with has dealt with someone I will ask them if the other party is a good trading partner, then based on the amount to transact I then make a decision about using escrow or not. with 30+ people in that Sub I don't even have to look, I know its an instant trade with no escrow some deals for 5+ BTC.. so no - we need both systems and both can go hand in hand if they are embraced by all I agree. I also use the trust system for selling and buying. I rely on it to see if there is any Questionable history with the user. I will ignore a Red "Spammer" or "Shitposter" when conducting business though as it has nothing to do with Trust and the deal we would be making. The trust system is Very much needed and i hope it stays. Exactly - take Lauda for instance, has god knows how many negs for all the good work they have done - I would send them 5BTC right now for a deal and not even think about it. we need both as both systems go hand in hand Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Stedsm on January 27, 2018, 09:40:14 AM Why can't it exactly go hand-in-hand? I am now clear about the fact that trust is for credibility and merit is just for the removal of spam as Merit will only be used to circulate the given number to those who contribute to the forum and actually deserve to be here, but that doesn't guarantee that they may not scam us nor does it guarantee that they won't be spamming in the future. What to be done with the merits given to such people who start spamming once they gained the rank and/or get accepted in signatures? Is there any way to take those merits back? Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Lutpin on January 27, 2018, 09:42:05 AM ~snip~ You look fat in comic sans.You should start using papyrus, cs doesn't fit you. I can't take his posts seriously in that font.. makes me think he is trolling us. Anyway, like I said—these two systems should work somewhat independently of each other as they serve different purposes. Since theymos quickly pumped this out to prevent tagging spammers, the trust system should still remain. Make sense? Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2018, 09:42:43 AM ~snip~ You look fat in comic sans.You should start using papyrus, cs doesn't fit you. I can't take his posts seriously in that font.. makes me think he is trolling us. I find that offensive! Anyway, like I said—these two systems should work somewhat independently of each other as they serve different purposes. Since theymos quickly pumped this out to prevent tagging spammers, the trust system should still remain. Make sense? one merit for giving me eye cancer... laughs in this place are important as well! Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: actmyname on January 27, 2018, 09:43:49 AM What to be done with the merits given to such people who start spamming once they gained the rank and/or get accepted in signatures? Is there any way to take those merits back? Just reject them from signature campaigns. Or report their posts. It's too much work for some spammer to produce high-quality posts and then all of the sudden lose all that progress. Hopefully the system just shapes them into a better poster entirely and they won't have to have the risk of being banned. After all, we still have mods and the blacklists from a lot of signature campaign managers ;)Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2018, 09:47:06 AM What to be done with the merits given to such people who start spamming once they gained the rank and/or get accepted in signatures? Is there any way to take those merits back? Just reject them from signature campaigns. Or report their posts. It's too much work for some spammer to produce high-quality posts and then all of the sudden lose all that progress. Hopefully the system just shapes them into a better poster entirely and they won't have to have the risk of being banned. After all, we still have mods and the blacklists from a lot of signature campaign managers ;)That Just made me throw up in my mouth.. this behavior from a legendary member is unacceptable. I'm giving you a merit for it though! Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Lutpin on January 27, 2018, 09:47:26 AM What to be done with the merits given to such people who start spamming once they gained the rank and/or get accepted in signatures? Is there any way to take those merits back? Just reject them from signature campaigns. Or report their posts. It's too much work for some spammer to produce high-quality posts and then all of the sudden lose all that progress. Hopefully the system just shapes them into a better poster entirely and they won't have to have the risk of being banned. After all, we still have mods and the blacklists from a lot of signature campaign managers ;)Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Barcode_ on January 27, 2018, 10:00:25 AM The trust system will still be an important function on this forum, with the trust system in place, users are most likely to prevent themselves from getting scammed by fake sellers in the marketplace by looking at trust records, getting an trusted escrow for deals between buyers and sellers is always much more recommended as some green trust accounts might have been sold away on this forum and scammers might be using these accounts to plot for new scams.
Secondly, users on this forum does have an alternative way to voice out their concerns over websites that does not credit their deposit, casinos that does not payout the big winnings to players who won rightfully could start a new topic on the scam accusation section with all the evidence posted in the proper format. DT members would investigate and follow up with the proper actions to be taken against the scammers. I have personally avoid dealing with some members on this forum due to their red trust ratings, and I believe the trust system would not become obsolete just because of the new merit system in place now. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 02:09:19 PM ~snip~ You look fat in comic sans.You should start using papyrus, cs doesn't fit you. I can't take his posts seriously in that font.. makes me think he is trolling us. I find that offensive! Anyway, like I said—these two systems should work somewhat independently of each other as they serve different purposes. Since theymos quickly pumped this out to prevent tagging spammers, the trust system should still remain. Make sense? You clearly have an ego issue or maybe even mental issues.You are adding negativ trust calling people scammers who simply asked for a small loan without colleteral. Myself i got a negativ feedback from you asshole for buying an account for a customer so he can publish pictures on this board. You are clearly abusing that system and you should be banned from this forum ASAP Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Lutpin on January 27, 2018, 02:13:34 PM You clearly have an ego issue or maybe even mental issues.You are adding negativ trust calling people scammers who simply asked for a small loan without colleteral. Rule #1 of lending is, no collateral no loan. Can't you even follow rule 1?Myself i got a negativ feedback from you asshole for buying an account for a customer so he can publish pictures on this board. Buy a copper membership (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2385104.msg24371150#msg24371150) instead. That way you can use your actual account and not a purchased one.The money goes to the forum you are using for promotion, not some account farmer in *insert random country here*. Farming doesnt get rewarded and everyone benefits. You are clearly abusing that system and you should be banned from this forum ASAP You should learn a bit more. Keep asking questions, get answers.Soon, you'll have the hang of how things are going. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: hilariousetc on January 27, 2018, 02:17:10 PM As we are all aware of the fact that a new "Merit" based system is in action, will the trust system get eradicated or may become obsolete? Let's say that someone received a negative feedback for doing something bad like - account farming / sales / scam / spam / etc. As we can see in their trust rating, it will be dark red. But the main question here is, if such people realize what they did and actually start contributing to the forum and get merit points as well from established people here (as nobody can be stopped to give them merit points but we can decide that whose points are worth to be considered), will these people get another chance to start trading / given jobs like management or able to join signatures? That's something hit on my mind and I thought that it's better to ask because both these systems can't go hand-in-hand (based on what I'm observing after the implementation of merits). No. Feedback/trust are completely separate systems and should be kept so. That's not to say people can't redeem themselves by being a quality contributor, but merely doing so won't or shouldn't necessarily eradicate or invalidate past 'crimes'. It would also depend on the type of crime or infraction that someone did. Some people can certainly be forgiven in some circumstances whilst other's can't. Sometimes people can change their ways or be forgiven for petty crimes made out of desperation or naivety, but some are so serious they shouldn't be forgotten about or 'expunged' from their record here and merely getting merit points shouldn't overrule that. Each situation should be taken on a case by case basis though. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 03:57:42 PM You clearly have an ego issue or maybe even mental issues.You are adding negativ trust calling people scammers who simply asked for a small loan without colleteral. Rule #1 of lending is, no collateral no loan. Can't you even follow rule 1?There is no forum rule asking for colleteral Myself i got a negativ feedback from you asshole for buying an account for a customer so he can publish pictures on this board. Buy a copper membership (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2385104.msg24371150#msg24371150) instead. That way you can use your actual account and not a purchased one.The money goes to the forum you are using for promotion, not some account farmer in *insert random country here*. Farming doesnt get rewarded and everyone benefits. Its allowed according to forum rules to buy accounts.I don't need to act like your stupid ego tells you You are clearly abusing that system and you should be banned from this forum ASAP You should learn a bit more. Keep asking questions, get answers.Soon, you'll have the hang of how things are going. I'm in crypto since 2012 and don't need to scam people by giving loans for such high interrest rate. You losers should first educate yourself. I made a copy of all your listed loans and will forward it soon to your tax department. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Lutpin on January 27, 2018, 04:09:19 PM There is no forum rule asking for colleteral There is no forum rule against scamming either, you still don't do it.Community rules add limits where the forum can't. One rule the community agrees on (it's even in the lending guidlines and stickied in the section) is the collateral rule. You may disagree with that, but a majority of users does not, there is consensus for this rule. Its allowed according to forum rules to buy accounts.I don't need to act like your stupid ego tells you Again, forum rules and community rules. The first part are the rules the forum makes (those that can get you banned). They might allow it.The second part are the rules that the community agrees on (those that you eg can get negative trust for). Account sales are frowned upon and it's likely for you to get either neutral of negative feedback when you are participating in them. You may dislike this, I may even disagree with this, but that's the community consensus. I'm in crypto since 2012 and don't need to scam people by giving loans for such high interrest rate. I havent been lending since early 2016, gains that were made have been reported should they fall under any taxable event.You losers should first educate yourself. I made a copy of all your listed loans and will forward it soon to your tax department. You don't need to worry about how I tax my crypto, that's for my CPA and tax office to determine. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 06:56:56 PM community consensuce ?
LOL what a joke. I'm a long time member and i never consent to any of that action nor the majority of these members here. Its only a small group with ego issues who try to play sheriff and defend their own scammy business. But its nice they listed each and every loan they gave.......their taxdepartment love this kind of people. And maybe you can explain to me even if somebody would be breaking a community consensus (which doesn't exist and he never agreed on this so its not liable to him) how a simple question if he can get a small loan without colleteral makes him a scammer that people post a feedback with the title "scammer" Show me the proof that he is a scammer and not just a broke guy trying to find a start. You dickheads deserve to be called scammers for your poor arguments and trying to force your so called "community consensus" which doesn't exist and more important which have no impact on the rules members agreed on. You dickhead even understand what terms are ?Its a legal contract between the forum owner and the community member and you fuckhead think you can just edit or add some points based on a few brain fucked community members ? Go back you redneck from where you came from if you don't understand the diffrence. Demanding themself a free market but calling people scammers who are simply buying accounts or just ask for a small loan. You deserve to get kicked out of the crypto community Giving me negativ trust and calling me a scammer because i bought for a customer an account so he can post pictures even its not against forum terms ? Where did i scammed someone you asshole @actmyname .Which term did i broke ?Show me the term which i broke you punk for giving me and hundred of other peoples your poor comments Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Lutpin on January 27, 2018, 07:10:48 PM Sorry, all I could understand was someone being butthurt and a few insults.
If you want to further pursue this discussion, start a reputation thread about your rating. I'll leave you one thing, though: [EDU] The Rule of "No Collateral, No Loan" - IGNORE AT YOUR OWN RISK! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577765.0) (sticky thread, thus sanctioned by moderation) Due to scams a "rule" has been created which, while not currently "enforced", is basically a minimum requirement to get a loan. Note that this isn't an official forum rule, it's just a rule that most lenders will follow. The rule of "No Collateral, No Loan" means that in order to get a loan you must give collateral that is equal, or preferably higher to the amount you are being loaned. If you completely ignore this sticky and make a loan request with no collateral, without having massive trust on the forum, the chances of you getting negative trusted feedback and therefore having a Trade with Extreme Caution tag is almost 100%. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 07:14:56 PM Sorry, all I could understand was someone being butthurt and a few insults. If you want to further pursue this discussion, start a reputation thread about your rating. I'll leave you one thing, though: [EDU] The Rule of "No Collateral, No Loan" - IGNORE AT YOUR OWN RISK! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577765.0) (sticky thread, thus sanctioned by moderation) Due to scams a "rule" has been created which, while not currently "enforced", is basically a minimum requirement to get a loan. Note that this isn't an official forum rule, it's just a rule that most lenders will follow. The rule of "No Collateral, No Loan" means that in order to get a loan you must give collateral that is equal, or preferably higher to the amount you are being loaned. If you completely ignore this sticky and make a loan request with no collateral, without having massive trust on the forum, the chances of you getting negative trusted feedback and therefore having a Trade with Extreme Caution tag is almost 100%. LOL Are you so dumb ? You show me something like that, that this is a rule ?It just says he might get.It doesn't say its not allowed to ask for loan without collateral. Nice interpretation to your farvorite heh ? Quote Due to scams a "rule" has been created which, while not currently "enforced", is basically a minimum requirement to get a loan. Note that this isn't an official forum rule, it's just a rule that most lenders will follow. Like i said a small group abusing the trust system for an inoffical rule which nobody accepted. Today i make an inofficial rule that from day 28.01.18 each lender will get a negativ trust for lending coins for a higher intterest rate than 0.01% per day .Thats the minimum requirement most people are asking for and if not given it could lead to a negativ feedback..... Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2018, 07:18:01 PM Lutpin is right and secondary to that you come across as a right tosser
Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 07:22:10 PM Lutpin is right and secondary to that you come across as a right tosser says a troll based on your trust feedback lol I just proofed there is no such rule. You guys are clearly abusing the trust system. You abuse them against me i will start abusing it against you guys.You can expect to get tomorrow 50 negativ feedbacks for breaking my inoffical not enforced rule Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Lutpin on January 27, 2018, 07:32:50 PM You can expect to get tomorrow 50 negativ feedbacks for breaking my inoffical not enforced rule Knock yourself out. 50 negs for disagreeing on a post, that's a new one. I'm sure theymos will have a nice place on the trust spam banlist for you.It's proven btw, you should have lookeded that up before posting. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 07:47:47 PM You can expect to get tomorrow 50 negativ feedbacks for breaking my inoffical not enforced rule Knock yourself out. 50 negs for disagreeing on a post, that's a new one. I'm sure theymos will have a nice place on the trust spam banlist for you.It's proven btw, you should have lookeded that up before posting. Its the same reason you guys give negativ feedback. Its based on an unoffical rule which i decided with 3 other people will be created today but which won't be enforced. Since you break this rule not important its unoffical and you never consent to it 50 people who will agree with me is going to negativ feedback you. The same way you guys negativ feedbacked me and defended it. Its based on an unoffical rule which i never consent on. So i'm basicly just going to use the same reason on which you guys gave me negativ feedback (or wait nobody showed me a rule which is against buying accounts) so if you ask to get me banned maybe first ask to get yourself banned for giving negativ feedback for unoffical non enforced rules Will see how you guys will change quickly your minds once you will get 50 negativ feedbacks from random people for breaking their own unoffical rule you never consent to Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Lutpin on January 27, 2018, 07:51:16 PM so if you ask to get me banned maybe first ask to get yourself banned for giving negativ feedback for unoffical non enforced rules I didn't even give you feedback. I simply disagreed with your post, which was enough for you to go on this...rant.Will see how you guys will change quickly your minds once you will get 50 negativ feedbacks from random people for breaking their own unoffical rule Nobody will, your feedback doesnt matter. At best, it's an annoyance. But those can be ignored. As might your posts be by many.The biggest impact you will have is...well, yeah... Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 07:57:13 PM so if you ask to get me banned maybe first ask to get yourself banned for giving negativ feedback for unoffical non enforced rules I didn't even give you feedback. I simply disagreed with your post, which was enough for you to go on this...rant.Will see how you guys will change quickly your minds once you will get 50 negativ feedbacks from random people for breaking their own unoffical rule Nobody will, your feedback doesnt matter. At best, it's an annoyance. But those can be ignored. As might your posts be by many.The biggest impact you will have is...well, yeah... Quote <Slck><ognasty> @lutpin: Really should kill himself. <Anduck>ognasty wtf? <Anduck>you seriously just said that lutpin should kill himself? <Slck><ognasty> I'm tired of the harassment. <Slck><ognasty> Every day a new alt... I'm done with it. <Slck><ognasty> All because he's mad I'm getting paid for my signature... <Slck><ognasty> No amount of harassment will change it, yet he won't stop. <Slck><ognasty> I'm not going to put up with another two weeks of this. <Anduck>shutdown the computer = no more harassing <Slck><ognasty> Shutting down the computer doesn't stop them from making threads and leaving BS trust posts. Looks like other serious people also claim you guys abused the trust system Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2018, 08:01:17 PM so if you ask to get me banned maybe first ask to get yourself banned for giving negativ feedback for unoffical non enforced rules I didn't even give you feedback. I simply disagreed with your post, which was enough for you to go on this...rant.Will see how you guys will change quickly your minds once you will get 50 negativ feedbacks from random people for breaking their own unoffical rule Nobody will, your feedback doesnt matter. At best, it's an annoyance. But those can be ignored. As might your posts be by many.The biggest impact you will have is...well, yeah... Quote <Slck><ognasty> @lutpin: Really should kill himself. <Anduck>ognasty wtf? <Anduck>you seriously just said that lutpin should kill himself? <Slck><ognasty> I'm tired of the harassment. <Slck><ognasty> Every day a new alt... I'm done with it. <Slck><ognasty> All because he's mad I'm getting paid for my signature... <Slck><ognasty> No amount of harassment will change it, yet he won't stop. <Slck><ognasty> I'm not going to put up with another two weeks of this. <Anduck>shutdown the computer = no more harassing <Slck><ognasty> Shutting down the computer doesn't stop them from making threads and leaving BS trust posts. Looks like other serious people also claim you guys abused the trust system Get a decent source dickhead. OG is the biggest trust abuser out there, he also doesn't pay back BTC loans in full. Lutpin is legit and you are a scummy moron Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Lutpin on January 27, 2018, 08:01:42 PM Looks like other serious people also claim you guys abused the trust system I'm mellow with Og and last I checked Og was mellow with me.If they aren't, that's too bad, but nothing I can change about that. Way to pull out 2 year old logs that should remain burried in order to stirr some shit, though. Next time, try something that isn't resolved/ancient. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 08:10:02 PM Its just a proof you small "lender group" have a clearly ego issue who are abusing the trust system.
Nothing more.I guess people can see for what you guys are giving negativ feedback and thats you who deserve the most negativ feedback from the community. It will surely help your lending threads Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2018, 08:12:11 PM Its just a proof you small "lender group" have a clearly ego issue who are abusing the trust system. Nothing more.I guess people can see for what you guys are giving negativ feedback and thats you who deserve the most negativ feedback from the community. It will surely help your lending threads Did you not get a loan?? Butt hurt as you couldn't buy some rice and peas?? Why all the hatred? It's not going to get you any merits Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Lutpin on January 27, 2018, 08:14:40 PM Its just a proof you small "lender group" have a clearly ego issue who are abusing the trust system. TBalls, you doing loans? Haven't seen you give one, you're too tight a cunt for that.I havent been giving any in over 2 years either, haven't even really started with it before I had enough. So neither you or I are lenders, now where's that group everyone is talking about? That background noise is always saying you and talks like we do something, but...I didnt. What did you do again? Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2018, 08:17:08 PM Its just a proof you small "lender group" have a clearly ego issue who are abusing the trust system. TBalls, you doing loans? Haven't seen you give one, you're too tight a cunt for that.I havent been giving any in over 2 years either, haven't even really started with it before I had enough. So neither you or I are lenders, now where's that group everyone is talking about? That background noise is always saying you and talks like we do something, but...I didnt. What did you do again? Too tight? Cheeky fuck.. but no I do not offer a loan service or escrow or manage campaigns. I do buy collectibles, speak out against scams and make merit points rain.. Maybe one of the above pissed the prick off Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 08:19:50 PM There are enough threads showing what you both losers are doing.
I made my point if my negativ feedback won't disappear i will take action to teach some people a lesson since i don't need any positiv feedback like you losers but also won't allow anyone to make any kind of false claim against me. P.S Wer hat Angst vor dem schwarzen Mann Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2018, 08:22:31 PM There are enough threads showing what you both losers are doing. I made my point if my negativ feedback won't disappear i will take action to teach some people a lesson since i don't need any feedback like you losers Listen Fuck Face.. take 3 seconds to click your trust, now look at who has left you trust.. It might be a good idea to write the name down or take a picture as you seem to get confused easily. Then come back into this thread, open the thread and look at my name, then look at the name of the other person you have been rude to.. oh shock and fucking horror.. you are having a rant at the wrong people. are you off your meds? has your mrs left you? or is it that you are genuinely just off your fucking rocker. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: otrkid70 on January 27, 2018, 08:25:15 PM This thread has 38 Replies on it (39 for mine) The thread Went off topic on Reply #18
Thule just move on Bro it Sucks that you got negative feedback for Acct. buying but it's just the way it is. Highjacking this thread will get you nowhere. Open a thread on Reputations or something. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 08:28:58 PM There are enough threads showing what you both losers are doing. I made my point if my negativ feedback won't disappear i will take action to teach some people a lesson since i don't need any feedback like you losers Listen Fuck Face.. take 3 seconds to click your trust, now look at who has left you trust.. It might be a good idea to write the name down or take a picture as you seem to get confused easily. Then come back into this thread, open the thread and look at my name, then look at the name of the other person you have been rude to.. oh shock and fucking horror.. you are having a rant at the wrong people. are you off your meds? has your mrs left you? or is it that you are genuinely just off your fucking rocker. The abuser is participating on that thread and you defended him with your poor argumentations trying to tell people falsly that guideliness are forum rules where i clearly proofed its not. The one who needs to understand to admit who was false is you guys, Lauda just joined the party with the next false claim "Account sales encourage scams, spam, and account farming." Let's see how they will react tomorrow with 50 negativ feedbacks for giving false feedbacks. I bet they will be very loud on that forum Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2018, 08:33:29 PM Quote <Slck><ognasty> @lutpin: Really should kill himself. <Anduck>ognasty wtf? <Anduck>you seriously just said that lutpin should kill himself? <Slck><ognasty> I'm tired of the harassment. <Slck><ognasty> Every day a new alt... I'm done with it. <Slck><ognasty> All because he's mad I'm getting paid for my signature... <Slck><ognasty> No amount of harassment will change it, yet he won't stop. <Slck><ognasty> I'm not going to put up with another two weeks of this. <Anduck>shutdown the computer = no more harassing <Slck><ognasty> Shutting down the computer doesn't stop them from making threads and leaving BS trust posts. Looks like other serious people also claim you guys abused the trust system https://i.imgur.com/4NGDmVE.png ha ha ha - you keep on backing the right horse son... the bloke you use to add to your defense doesnt even believe in bitcoin.. everything is USD to him ! Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 08:41:48 PM i showed proof you guys are abusing the Trust system from many sources.I give a fuck what your deals are.
@Launda Your abuse of Merit https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2829282.0 Waiting also for your proof for the claim "Account sales encourage scams, spam, and account farming." Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: owlcatz on January 27, 2018, 08:52:45 PM Are you a fucking moron or something? The "proof" is right in the damn reference link - here let me show you, kiddo:
https://archive.is/QvnqD#selection-2203.0-2203.35 See that? That's you, trying to buy an account. ::) Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 08:57:02 PM Are you a fucking moron or something? The "proof" is right in the damn reference link - here let me show you, kiddo: https://archive.is/QvnqD#selection-2203.0-2203.35 See that? That's you, trying to buy an account. ::) I guess you are the idiot since i asked for the rule which doesn't allow to buy accounts ? Also a nice read the same old team accused of scam TMAN Lauda minifrij https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0 Funny they stick together Lauda got kicked out of staff because of that Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: actmyname on January 27, 2018, 08:59:18 PM i showed proof you guys are abusing the Trust system from many sources.I give a fuck what your deals are. i sHOwEd ProOF YoU gUYs aRE AbuSInG tHe TrUSt SyStEM fRoM mAnY sOuRcES.i gIvE a FuCK WhAT yOuR DeALs aRe. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Lutpin on January 27, 2018, 09:00:48 PM I had to merit this, I'm sorry. I know it is a waste of 1 sMerit, but please actmyname, give that 0.5 sMerit you have received through this to someone who needs it.
I trust you to select the right person. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 09:03:23 PM 23h after that the negativ feedback will start.
These are honest clear feedbacks from real people who i'm currently collecting who had issues with you guys in the past. So no fake feedbacks. Let's see how you will react tomorrow to these feedbacks which will be 100% unique and real from real diffrent community members. It's even easier to collect them than i thought since you guys have threads everywhere people claiming you abused the trust system. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Lutpin on January 27, 2018, 09:04:48 PM Did anybody tell them about DT yet? ::)
Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 09:22:34 PM Did anybody tell them about DT yet? ::) No but i will recommend also everyone who doesn't trust you to leave a honest feedback. Shouldn't be an issue for you since you are accepting and defending Lauda's and actmyname's behavior and according to them they can give negativ feedback if they just don't trust you You opened the box of pandora ......ok we can also use it Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Lutpin on January 27, 2018, 09:24:51 PM Will they say funny things on my trustpage?
Like "A highly non respectable member of a family .his father was in nazi army and his mother was a kkk member" (yes, that's an actual quote from it)? If so, I demand some creativity, shorena has gotten one about f*ing someones sister and not calling the next day, and I get only nazi feedback? That is unfair. I demand same rules for everyone. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 09:27:26 PM I guess more something like scammer,not trust worthy, fake bounties,no payments etc.....
Since you guys don't have a single proof of your own claims so why should we have ? You post something to hurt us most by writing scammer,account farming etc with no proof at all which is basicly misleading so i guess you have no issue if we will mislead in your guys trust feedback since who cares about truth since you don't for you Lauda https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2834516.new#new Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: actmyname on January 27, 2018, 09:40:10 PM You post something to hurt us most by writing scammer,account farming etc with no proof at all which is basicly misleading so i guess This is better reserved in a Reputation thread but you literally said, "If you accept escrow i will take it" on an account sale thread.What more proof do we need to show intent? Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 09:43:38 PM You post something to hurt us most by writing scammer,account farming etc with no proof at all which is basicly misleading so i guess This is better reserved in a Reputation thread but you literally said, "If you accept escrow i will take it" on an account sale thread.What more proof do we need to show intent? Show me the proof it was against the terms back in that time or even today Before making that offer i was checking terms and even asked a mod if we are allowed to buy accounts and after that you guys come here abuse the trust feedback and abuse me claiming i'm a scammer ,account farmer etc .... Its a clear abuse.You guys give a fuck what you claim till somebody starts to hurt you guys for your actions Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: owlcatz on January 27, 2018, 10:01:34 PM That's bullshit dude - I have a neg from a DT1 user myself .. Do you think I give any fucks at all? Fuck no, I wear it as badge of honor! ::)
You are kind of really boring at this point to be honest.... Move on, it's just a trust rating, who gives a fuck? :P Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2018, 10:04:08 PM That's bullshit dude - I have a neg from a DT1 user myself .. Do you think I give any fucks at all? Fuck no, I wear it as badge of honor! ::) You are kind of really boring at this point to be honest.... Move on, it's just a trust rating, who gives a fuck? :P We have matching ones.. I wonder if any of his "members" have matching tattoo's like us? Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 10:12:46 PM TMAN Lauda Physical Lu..... one group....
SHow me the proof.Easy as that.Where is the proof of that rule which i broke. You fuckers are changing topic since you clearly now i didn't broke any rules and that you abuse the trust feedback and merit for your own benefit It just needs a single line to discredit me. Show me proof that it was against the rules to buy accounts And to the 3 people who gave me negativ feedback....i can tell you tomorrow you will have a heavy day. Lauda it won't hep that you delete my posts on your threads.You won't be able to hide that information and massiv negativ feedback tomorrow anymore. You fucked with the wrong guy My badge of honor is to destroy the people who tried to abuse me and i exectly know where they get their majority of income and how important their fake image is Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: otrkid70 on January 27, 2018, 10:19:23 PM TMAN Lauda Physical Lu..... one group.... SHow me the proof.Easy as that.Where is the proof of that rule which i broke. You fuckers are changing topic since you clearly now i didn't broke any rules and that you abuse the trust feedback and merit for your own benefit It just needs a single line to discredit me. Show me proof that it was against the rules to buy accounts And to the 3 people who gave me negativ feedback....i can tell you tomorrow you will have a heavy day. Lauda it won't hep that you delete my posts on your threads.You won't be able to hide that information and massiv negativ feedback tomorrow anymore. You fucked with the wrong guy My badge of honor is to destroy the people who tried to abuse me and i exectly know where they get their majority of income and how important their fake image is It's NOT against the rules to buy accounts but it is not recommended. I understand your issue with this i agree unless you are trying to scam in some way acct. buying is ok. Go Easy on Lauda she is female don't disrespect her plz. I don't agree with what Lauda does but i will not Disrespect a female. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Lutpin on January 27, 2018, 10:19:41 PM The more you discuss this, the more negs you get, so my suggestion would be, keep it up.
Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 10:28:20 PM I don't make a cent with that account else you guys.
Showing proof and discrediting you guys would lead in a loss of your campaigns. Lauda abusing merit system in inner circle https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2829282.0 Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on January 27, 2018, 10:36:48 PM Let's see how you will react tomorrow to these feedbacks which will be 100% unique and real from real diffrent community members. You don't have to wait to know how Lauda or anyone else will react. It'll be a huge, gaping *YAWN*. But if you need to keep yourself in a state of arousal for a day, who am I to stop you. None of this should come as a surprise to you, since bidding on accounts has earned people negs since at least 2016 (though the hit rate isn't 100%). Oh yeah...the trust system. Nope, won't become obsolete. It's stuff like this that it's supposed to be used for. The shitposting was a bit of a gray area even as far as I was concerned, but account sellers are some shady-ass mo fos who need to be tagged as soon as they open their mouths. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 10:42:27 PM Quote Oh yeah...the trust system. Nope, won't become obsolete. It's stuff like this that it's supposed to be used for. The shitposting was a bit of a gray area even as far as I was concerned, but account sellers are some shady-ass mo fos who need to be tagged as soon as they open their mouths. Of course it won't become obsolete because you keep using it for your own benefit. A simple look at Lauda's trust page shows that majority of trust are from people in this thread who are defending Lauda and their scammy action right? The Pharmacist ?actmyname,Lutpin ? All who gave me negativ trust. All coincidence i guess LOL https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=101872 OH i just saw TMAN got merit from Lauda and Lutpin Lutpin from TMAN and Lauda and Lauda from TMAN and Lutpin ohhhh what a coincidence.And thats not abuse you fucking scammers Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Lutpin on January 27, 2018, 10:48:23 PM A simple look at Lauda's trust page shows that majority of trust are from people in this thread who are defending Lauda and their scammy action I did no such thing. I would never taint myself touching your trust page. That's abnormal even to think about.right? The Pharmacist ?actmyname,Lutpin ? All who gave me negativ trust. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=101872 Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 10:56:56 PM Arround 22 more hours to go.After that people who still negativ trusted me will feel how it is to get hit from a bulldozer for trying to abuse me with false claims.
I got already 20 people ready and a lot of researched content which i'm going to push on top. People will regret to ever touched my account since i got behaved to fight for the truth and exposing to majority scamming accounts like Lauda will be a pleasure Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Lutpin on January 27, 2018, 11:04:20 PM Just start your charade already, or do you count down in bed too?
"Around 3 seconds to go until you will feel how it is to get hit from a bulldozer." Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2018, 11:05:56 PM Quote Oh yeah...the trust system. Nope, won't become obsolete. It's stuff like this that it's supposed to be used for. The shitposting was a bit of a gray area even as far as I was concerned, but account sellers are some shady-ass mo fos who need to be tagged as soon as they open their mouths. Of course it won't become obsolete because you keep using it for your own benefit. A simple look at Lauda's trust page shows that majority of trust are from people in this thread who are defending Lauda and their scammy action right? The Pharmacist ?actmyname,Lutpin ? All who gave me negativ trust. All coincidence i guess LOL https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=101872 OH i just saw TMAN got merit from Lauda and Lutpin Lutpin from TMAN and Lauda and Lauda from TMAN and Lutpin ohhhh what a coincidence.And thats not abuse you fucking scammers Lutpin and I play squash on a Tuesday, I play golf with Lauda on a Sunday but I have no fucking idea why they are leaving merits for each other. Thanks for brining that to my attention. I'll get an answer out of Lauda tomorrow Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Vod on January 27, 2018, 11:09:16 PM Arround 22 more hours to go.After that people who still negativ trusted me will feel how it is to get hit from a bulldozer for trying to abuse me with false claims. You are angry with them because they abused you with the trust system. So you are getting together friends to abuse them with the trust system. Do it then go away - because you are being a hypocrite. :) Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 11:40:49 PM I read a lot of stuff about Lauda and always see the same people defending her.Abusing trust against people who are against her.Changing Trust and Merit between themself and pushing each other.
People who write the truth about that group are basicly being ignored and most important abused. So to teach them a lesson there is only one way.To go for their beloved accounts. I need to do it in a legit way so it will be longterm.Thats why i'm contacting people who got abused by them and ask them to join. I got already 50% of my goal.So once the time is down they will start adding their real feedback. I will start adding some special threads here on BCT which i will massivly share to over 200 crypto message boards.500 telegram groups and at some youtube channels to create some attention. Since they are running services i know for sure they are going to respond very quickly once they see these actions are real. They will have to defend themself against massiv evidences which will discredit them for sure. I gave them a fair warning and a possibility to quit it. Since i guess i know Lauda very well from reading so much content i guess i can be pretty sure there won't be any removel since he/she belives to not be responsible or activ to non important people. There was a nice word he/she used that basicly discredits every member on this board which has no high power on that messageboard. He/She forgat only one thing.I don't need power on that messageboard i'm a king of marketing and with that attribute i will get my attention everywhere i want to if the benefit justifies it and trust me Lauda's behavior and some other members here justify it since it will be a personal satisfaction for me @TMAN you can do shit.You already lie when you open your mouth.Reading your older posts i can clearly see you always change your content. You have been accused to scam together with Lauda so yeah you are already being discredited and proofed to be a lap-dog of Lauda Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 28, 2018, 02:26:46 AM Guys have a read of the rules
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0 Its clearly saying selling accounts is allowed So they all abused massivly their power and i bet they got tons of their own alts Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: owlcatz on January 28, 2018, 02:52:33 AM Guys have a read of the rules https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0 Its clearly saying selling accounts is allowed So they all abused massivly their power and i bet they got tons of their own alts No You retard. You haven't listened to anything people have been telling you. Yes, it's allowed on forum rules, but it's highly frowned upon because so many people get scammed. that's why people neg trust people who try and buy accounts. It's a "community thing" that apparently you are too retarded to understand or get. LOL.... Nobody here with any cred has alts, we don't fucking need that bullshit you idiot.... :P Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: FroyoBoy on January 28, 2018, 02:58:15 AM How can i get merit ? I am new here.
Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: supermandre on January 28, 2018, 03:15:19 AM Hi Thule,
I keep reading bad stuff about Lauda and company. I suppose they are really hated for their abuse of the trust system. I noticed almost all members here doesnt like them but I dont know why they are still here. It makes me angry and feel this forum is very biased and power tripper. Everyone just kiss their ass so they won't get neg trust but does not sincerely like them. If polls will be created on which member should be kicked out I'm pretty sure its them. I admire your courage for stepping up and be the voice of the quiet majority here. Please be the instrument to change this forum to be better and destroy the evils like Lauda and company. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: BlackPanda on January 28, 2018, 03:18:32 AM As we are all aware of the fact that a new "Merit" based system is in action, will the trust system get eradicated or may become obsolete? System trust will still be the benchmark, I think the system trust is much higher because not everyone can get it. System trust remains a thing to see that the account does have a good reputation. The existing merit system I think will help eliminate some spammers because only people who have good post quality can get it, it is still in development stage and hopefully merit system can be in accordance with fact because most of the time some of the conditions are often misused.Let's say that someone received a negative feedback for doing something bad like - account farming / sales / scam / spam / etc. As we can see in their trust rating, it will be dark red. But the main question here is, if such people realize what they did and actually start contributing to the forum and get merit points as well from established people here (as nobody can be stopped to give them merit points but we can decide that whose points are worth to be considered), will these people get another chance to start trading / given jobs like management or able to join signatures? That's something hit on my mind and I thought that it's better to ask because both these systems can't go hand-in-hand (based on what I'm observing after the implementation of merits). Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: owlcatz on January 28, 2018, 03:29:24 AM How can i get merit ? I am new here. Certainly not like this. Go back the beginner section please. the bar is higher now sorry. Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 28, 2018, 04:09:34 AM Guys have a read of the rules https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0 Its clearly saying selling accounts is allowed So they all abused massivly their power and i bet they got tons of their own alts No You retard. You haven't listened to anything people have been telling you. Yes, it's allowed on forum rules, but it's highly frowned upon because so many people get scammed. that's why people neg trust people who try and buy accounts. It's a "community thing" that apparently you are too retarded to understand or get. LOL.... Nobody here with any cred has alts, we don't fucking need that bullshit you idiot.... :P You peace of shit are not making any rules same with the small group of parasites who are trying to milk the community as much as possible Quote System trust will still be the benchmark, I think the system trust is much higher because not everyone can get it. System trust remains a thing to see that the account does have a good reputation. The existing merit system I think will help eliminate some spammers because only people who have good post quality can get it, it is still in development stage and hopefully merit system can be in accordance with fact because most of the time some of the conditions are often misused. That system has been already used in many message boards and it got abused to death.Best example Lauda and his/her group who already increased their merit heavily by exchanging merit points. So spammers will just create themself so called trustworthy accounts and start creating services to scam people. Thats the box to pandora since merit sugguest fake reputation Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 28, 2018, 04:10:47 AM How can i get merit ? I am new here. Certainly not like this. Go back the beginner section please. the bar is higher now sorry. Why not ? Maybe he can join your circle and you upvote his BS posts like you do on your mates ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=313016 Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: owlcatz on January 28, 2018, 04:13:20 AM You are just a fucking idiot and now you are on ignore. How I spend my merits have nothing to do with your wank ass.. So... that said, Fuck off and have a great night! ;D
Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 28, 2018, 04:16:00 AM Ignore on a scammers account.
I must be really sad about it Its so funny people from Lauda group joining this thread to defend him/her and when checking their trust feedback and merit you can instantly see its somebody from their circle abusing the trust system An argument which can't be destroyed or defamed because its being displayed on forum software where noone has access to Title: Re: Will Trust System become obsolete? Post by: Thule on January 28, 2018, 05:02:55 PM Anyone taking Lauda for his ITO must be insane.He is so hated by the community because of his massiv abuse that he has to defend himself with his group everywhere.
He has already been in the past exposed for a big scam and lost his position as moderator. Anyone taking him needs to know it will light a very bad light on your ITO. TMAN was part of that scam thats why he keeps defending Lauda as he is part of the group. You can read it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.msg17624090#msg17624090 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1786074.msg17811352#msg17811352 another scam of TMAN https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2214957.msg22327483#msg22327483 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1775044.msg17703267#msg17703267 Have a look who exposed them and have a look at their profil how they are trying hard to destroy his rep |
