Will Trust System become obsolete?

[Stedsm]

As we are all aware of the fact that a new "Merit" based system is in action, will the trust system get eradicated or may become obsolete?
Let's say that someone received a negative feedback for doing something bad like - account farming / sales / scam / spam / etc.
As we can see in their trust rating, it will be dark red.
But the main question here is, if such people realize what they did and actually start contributing to the forum and get merit points as well from established people here (as nobody can be stopped to give them merit points but we can decide that whose points are worth to be considered), will these people get another chance to start trading / given jobs like management or able to join signatures?

That's something hit on my mind and I thought that it's better to ask because both these systems can't go hand-in-hand (based on what I'm observing after the implementation of merits).

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[actmyname]

You should at least use the trust system to contain scams. At the very least it should prevent people from being scammed by other users.

And you can't really have merit = reputation. High-quality posts don't always correlate with a user being trustworthy. Perhaps a large portion of the time, yes. But then how would you tailor to successful transactions between individuals? It doesn't seem right to send them merit as that was the argument with trust: bad post quality ≠ scams.

Why can't it exactly go hand-in-hand?

[TMAN]

As we are all aware of the fact that a new "Merit" based system is in action, will the trust system get eradicated or may become obsolete?
Let's say that someone received a negative feedback for doing something bad like - account farming / sales / scam / spam / etc.
As we can see in their trust rating, it will be dark red.
But the main question here is, if such people realize what they did and actually start contributing to the forum and get merit points as well from established people here (as nobody can be stopped to give them merit points but we can decide that whose points are worth to be considered), will these people get another chance to start trading / given jobs like management or able to join signatures?

That's something hit on my mind and I thought that it's better to ask because both these systems can't go hand-in-hand (based on what I'm observing after the implementation of merits).

Trust is more prevalent in the marketplace, I frequent and trade in collectibles tons.. now every trade I look at trust ratings, I don't adhere to the 2 levels of DT as the standard setting and I have a few exclusions on my list - but that is my bible when it comes to trading. if someone I trust or have dealt with has dealt with someone I will ask them if the other party is a good trading partner, then based on the amount to transact I then make a decision about using escrow or not.

with 30+ people in that Sub I don't even have to look, I know its an instant trade with no escrow some deals for 5+ BTC..

so no - we need both systems and both can go hand in hand if they are embraced by all

[supermandre]

No bruh it will still not be obsolete because the people behind giving the red trust are still giving red trust to those people that they THINK have questionable merits from their OWN judgement.
Those with red trust are not worthy given merits based on the post I read from the almighty DT's. They will also not be taking red trust because their judgement are final and cannot be reversed forever.

[Lutpin]

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You look fat in comic sans.
You should start using papyrus, cs doesn't fit you.

[krishnaverma]

As we are all aware of the fact that a new "Merit" based system is in action, will the trust system get eradicated or may become obsolete?

Merit is to judge the quality of the posts made by that person. Trust is related to the credibility. I think trust should be given more value as a cheater (scammer) is likely to cheat the merit system as well.

[TMAN]

~snip~

You look fat in comic sans.
You should start using papyrus, cs doesn't fit you.

I can't take his posts seriously in that font.. makes me think he is trolling us.

[otrkid70]

As we are all aware of the fact that a new "Merit" based system is in action, will the trust system get eradicated or may become obsolete?
Let's say that someone received a negative feedback for doing something bad like - account farming / sales / scam / spam / etc.
As we can see in their trust rating, it will be dark red.
But the main question here is, if such people realize what they did and actually start contributing to the forum and get merit points as well from established people here (as nobody can be stopped to give them merit points but we can decide that whose points are worth to be considered), will these people get another chance to start trading / given jobs like management or able to join signatures?

That's something hit on my mind and I thought that it's better to ask because both these systems can't go hand-in-hand (based on what I'm observing after the implementation of merits).

Trust is more prevalent in the marketplace, I frequent and trade in collectibles tons.. now every trade I look at trust ratings, I don't adhere to the 2 levels of DT as the standard setting and I have a few exclusions on my list - but that is my bible when it comes to trading. if someone I trust or have dealt with has dealt with someone I will ask them if the other party is a good trading partner, then based on the amount to transact I then make a decision about using escrow or not.

with 30+ people in that Sub I don't even have to look, I know its an instant trade with no escrow some deals for 5+ BTC..

so no - we need both systems and both can go hand in hand if they are embraced by all

I agree. I also use the trust system for selling and buying. I rely on it to see if there is any Questionable history with the user.  I will ignore a Red "Spammer" or "Shitposter" when conducting business though as it has nothing to do with Trust and the deal we would be making.   The trust system is Very much needed and i hope it stays.

[actmyname]

~snip~

You look fat in comic sans.
You should start using papyrus, cs doesn't fit you.

I can't take his posts seriously in that font.. makes me think he is trolling us.

I'm not trolling you. How dare you think that I'm trolling you?
I find that offensive!

Anyway, like I said—these two systems should work somewhat independently of each other as they serve different purposes. Since theymos quickly pumped this out to prevent tagging spammers, the trust system should still remain. Make sense?

[TMAN]

As we are all aware of the fact that a new "Merit" based system is in action, will the trust system get eradicated or may become obsolete?
Let's say that someone received a negative feedback for doing something bad like - account farming / sales / scam / spam / etc.
As we can see in their trust rating, it will be dark red.
But the main question here is, if such people realize what they did and actually start contributing to the forum and get merit points as well from established people here (as nobody can be stopped to give them merit points but we can decide that whose points are worth to be considered), will these people get another chance to start trading / given jobs like management or able to join signatures?

That's something hit on my mind and I thought that it's better to ask because both these systems can't go hand-in-hand (based on what I'm observing after the implementation of merits).

Trust is more prevalent in the marketplace, I frequent and trade in collectibles tons.. now every trade I look at trust ratings, I don't adhere to the 2 levels of DT as the standard setting and I have a few exclusions on my list - but that is my bible when it comes to trading. if someone I trust or have dealt with has dealt with someone I will ask them if the other party is a good trading partner, then based on the amount to transact I then make a decision about using escrow or not.

with 30+ people in that Sub I don't even have to look, I know its an instant trade with no escrow some deals for 5+ BTC..

so no - we need both systems and both can go hand in hand if they are embraced by all

I agree. I also use the trust system for selling and buying. I rely on it to see if there is any Questionable history with the user.  I will ignore a Red "Spammer" or "Shitposter" when conducting business though as it has nothing to do with Trust and the deal we would be making.   The trust system is Very much needed and i hope it stays.

Exactly - take Lauda for instance, has god knows how many negs for all the good work they have done - I would send them 5BTC right now for a deal and not even think about it. we need both as both systems go hand in hand

[Stedsm]

Why can't it exactly go hand-in-hand?

I am now clear about the fact that trust is for credibility and merit is just for the removal of spam as Merit will only be used to circulate the given number to those who contribute to the forum and actually deserve to be here, but that doesn't guarantee that they may not scam us nor does it guarantee that they won't be spamming in the future. What to be done with the merits given to such people who start spamming once they gained the rank and/or get accepted in signatures? Is there any way to take those merits back?

[Lutpin]

~snip~

You look fat in comic sans.
You should start using papyrus, cs doesn't fit you.

I can't take his posts seriously in that font.. makes me think he is trolling us.

I'm not trolling you. How dare you think that I'm trolling you? I find that offensive!

Anyway, like I said—these two systems should work somewhat independently of each other as they serve different purposes. Since theymos quickly pumped this out to prevent tagging spammers, the trust system should still remain. Make sense?

FTFY.

[TMAN]

~snip~

You look fat in comic sans.
You should start using papyrus, cs doesn't fit you.

I can't take his posts seriously in that font.. makes me think he is trolling us.

I'm not trolling you. How dare you think that I'm trolling you?
I find that offensive!

Anyway, like I said—these two systems should work somewhat independently of each other as they serve different purposes. Since theymos quickly pumped this out to prevent tagging spammers, the trust system should still remain. Make sense?

one merit for giving me eye cancer...  laughs in this place are important as well!

[actmyname]

What to be done with the merits given to such people who start spamming once they gained the rank and/or get accepted in signatures? Is there any way to take those merits back?

Just reject ^th_em from signature campaigns. Or report their posts. It's too much work for some spammer to pr_oduce high-quality posts and then all of ^{the sudd}en lose _{all that} progress. Hopefully the system just shapes them into a better poster entirely and they won't h^{ave to have the risk of bein}g banned. After all, we still have mods and the blacklists from a lot of signature campaign managers

[TMAN]

What to be done with the merits given to such people who start spamming once they gained the rank and/or get accepted in signatures? Is there any way to take those merits back?

Just reject ^th_em from signature campaigns. Or report their posts. It's too much work for some spammer to pr_oduce high-quality posts and then all of ^{the sudd}en lose _{all that} progress. Hopefully the system just shapes them into a better poster entirely and they won't h^{ave to have the risk of bein}g banned. After all, we still have mods and the blacklists from a lot of signature campaign managers

That Just made me throw up in my mouth..

this behavior from a legendary member is unacceptable. I'm giving you a merit for it though!

[Lutpin]

What to be done with the merits given to such people who start spamming once they gained the rank and/or get accepted in signatures? Is there any way to take those merits back?

Just reject them from signature campaigns. Or report their posts. It's too much work for some spammer to pr_oduce high-quality posts and then all of ^{the sudd}en lose _{all that} progress. Hopefully the system just shapes them into a better poster entirely and they won't h^{ave to have the risk of bein}g banned. After all, we still have mods and the blacklists from a lot of signature campaign managers

I've read your post with red/blue 3D glasses. Can confirm: better than LSD.

[Barcode_]

The trust system will still be an important function on this forum, with the trust system in place, users are most likely to prevent themselves from getting scammed by fake sellers in the marketplace by looking at trust records, getting an trusted escrow for deals between buyers and sellers is always much more recommended as some green trust accounts might have been sold away on this forum and scammers might be using these accounts to plot for new scams.

Secondly, users on this forum does have an alternative way to voice out their concerns over websites that does not credit their deposit, casinos that does not payout the big winnings to players who won rightfully could start a new topic on the scam accusation section with all the evidence posted in the proper format. DT members would investigate and follow up with the proper actions to be taken against the scammers.

I have personally avoid dealing with some members on this forum due to their red trust ratings, and I believe the trust system would not become obsolete just because of the new merit system in place now.

[Thule]

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You look fat in comic sans.
You should start using papyrus, cs doesn't fit you.

I can't take his posts seriously in that font.. makes me think he is trolling us.

I'm not trolling you. How dare you think that I'm trolling you?
I find that offensive!

Anyway, like I said—these two systems should work somewhat independently of each other as they serve different purposes. Since theymos quickly pumped this out to prevent tagging spammers, the trust system should still remain. Make sense?

You clearly have an ego issue or maybe even mental issues.You are adding negativ trust calling people scammers who simply asked for a small loan without colleteral.
Myself i got a negativ feedback from you asshole for buying an account for a customer so he can publish pictures on this board.
You are clearly abusing that system and you should be banned from this forum ASAP

[Lutpin]

You clearly have an ego issue or maybe even mental issues.You are adding negativ trust calling people scammers who simply asked for a small loan without colleteral.

Rule #1 of lending is, no collateral no loan. Can't you even follow rule 1?

Myself i got a negativ feedback from you asshole for buying an account for a customer so he can publish pictures on this board.

Buy a copper membership instead. That way you can use your actual account and not a purchased one.
The money goes to the forum you are using for promotion, not some account farmer in *insert random country here*.
Farming doesnt get rewarded and everyone benefits.

You are clearly abusing that system and you should be banned from this forum ASAP

You should learn a bit more. Keep asking questions, get answers.
Soon, you'll have the hang of how things are going.

[hilariousetc]

As we are all aware of the fact that a new "Merit" based system is in action, will the trust system get eradicated or may become obsolete?
Let's say that someone received a negative feedback for doing something bad like - account farming / sales / scam / spam / etc.
As we can see in their trust rating, it will be dark red.
But the main question here is, if such people realize what they did and actually start contributing to the forum and get merit points as well from established people here (as nobody can be stopped to give them merit points but we can decide that whose points are worth to be considered), will these people get another chance to start trading / given jobs like management or able to join signatures?

That's something hit on my mind and I thought that it's better to ask because both these systems can't go hand-in-hand (based on what I'm observing after the implementation of merits).

No. Feedback/trust are completely separate systems and should be kept so. That's not to say people can't redeem themselves by being a quality contributor, but merely doing so won't or shouldn't necessarily eradicate or invalidate past 'crimes'. It would also depend on the type of crime or infraction that someone did. Some people can certainly be forgiven in some circumstances whilst other's can't. Sometimes people can change their ways or be forgiven for petty crimes made out of desperation or naivety, but some are so serious they shouldn't be forgotten about or 'expunged' from their record here and merely getting merit points shouldn't overrule that. Each situation should be taken on a case by case basis though.