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I'm not too sure about this new merit system.  Although these boards have been getting a lot more spam, it will be much more difficult to level up your bitcointalk account.  Most people are not even going to bother and give out merit to quality posts.

What are your thoughts, do you like the new merit system?

You mean alot less spam? Anyway, about the merit... I think there should be some tweaks done to the current system. I believe that right now the problem is that most of the users aren't getting merit with they're posts(even if the posts are good)... Maybe because other users are still not used to this new feature, maybe because they expect a half of a page post to be eligible to win merit... All i know is that getting higher rank will be much harder than before, even if your posts are good

The new system very strongly complicates receiving a new rank, but at the same time is designed to remove spam and uninterested people from a forum, we will hope that it will help it. On the other hand it would be desirable there is nobody eases by they are who is interested to be at this forum. Personally I can't earn the first merit in any way though there is a strong wish.

I meant , they added merit to stop the short spammy posts that were occuring just to level up.  The problem is even if someone posts very high quality posts is that most people are not even going to bother to send merit to that person.

Overall this system helps to avoid extra spam at this forum. On the other hand currently it is too hard to get rank up that will have influence on bounty companies (less people will be involved in bounty companies that it could be without merit system)

It's will really be hard now to get points and upgrade to the next level. But i think it is good for the community in general. they trying to make bitcointalk the best place you can source for information regarding crypto.

I admit this is hard at first. Scarcity of merits, saw great quality posts but can't give merits to the deserved writers. But I know in the future when merits are flooding this would be easier. The new system is great but it needs development and we are part of it.

I think they implement this merit system is just because brand new members can just easily go to jr member and rush to member in one month because of the burst posting everyday they are wanting to have a fair play on increasing the numbers of ranks. You can giveaways merits if you want to but give it to the deserving people

People are not demanded to post high quality posts, nobody is preventing anyone to post stupid posts (as long as it's not a pure spam). However, if one wants to go up in ranks, he would have to actually contribute to the community by posting good and constructive posts. That's the whole point of the system, it is supposed to be some kind of indication of the user's quality.

You see, there will always be good and bad(?) effect. The good thing is that, it will limit the amount of spammers who only wants to rank up and it would make the users more motivated to come up with a quality post. The bad thing is that, newbies might find it hard to rank up and since there is no criteria for a "merit-worth" post it will be up to the standard of the other user. Anyway, I guess we just have to get used to it and do something that can help the forum.

I think it will be a good system. Even in just the short time I've been here I can tell that no one is actually engaging in active discussion. There are threads with 8-10 pages and people on page 7 are repeating the same things that were said on page 2. No one is actually going to threads to engage with people, they were just going to get their post count up. This is not healthy for forum.

What's the problem for you, guys, to use search instead of creating the same threads on every board? That was discussed already about a thousands of times.

I was surprise when I saw this. I was like, this thing in not there before, I remember it was only two, the number of post and the activity :). Then come this merit system. I'm sure it will be helpful in order for people to be constructive in their post and not just putting anything under the son. :) Let see, for sure this will be part of the qualification in the future.

This is an Altcoin Discussion board so topics here shouldn't be about the forum.

Can we just stop creating new threads about merits?
 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2832728.0)

Main discussion about merit here Merit & new rank requirements. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0)   

Go check this thread by theymos. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0

Also, maybe you might want to move this thread to Meta.

The merit point system is just introduced. Most persons have not fully grab the working. It is intended to solve a problem. Over time all workings will be understood and the forum will be better for it.

Always, when something new appears, it follows a storm of reviews, comments. Some have discontent, some have delight! Now it's really hard to get a new title. Maybe in the future this system will show all its advantages, but for now it is necessary to try to bring to the community the benefits of its informative messages. ;)

This in a way simply removes spammers and those who have multiple accounts and therefore will now have more useful information and comments on the topic.

That is true new Merit system not only reduce spamming posts but it getting harder for ranks upgrade because there is specific measures required for that in the new system , lets do the best to make this forum as first learning resources for newbies and answering questions about bitcoin\Altcoins .

I think the new idea of assessing posts is uniquely good, but it needs improvement because it has weak points.
 For example .. because of the shortage of holders.

 There are very few sources now, how can they be earned .. which can cause additional speculation

I really like it the merit system. It could be fair to everybody to make a good and very quality post even I personally doubt that everybody can do it. Merit can improve everyone's constructive post. But I really don't like people who always in bias system. I believe the new merit solution is the new merit problem too.

Although this system is annoying, it was extremely effective and beautiful for the rank-and-file event. It is no longer easy for everyone to rank, and there will be no rubbish memberships at certain ranks. Those who trade accounts with illegal means are in a state of being evaluated.

I am still working out what the merit system is for and how it works.....

Well the new merit system for me is absolutely fine. Though this could be more challenging for the members to rank up, this will surely help the whole bitcointalk community even more as the members also post more quality posts and not just spam posts all around. Exchanging of thoughts and idea will become more beneficial for everybody.

I think this system needs some improvements, having merit is now a little diffcult, it's not very good for the newbies

Not sure what to make just yet but I will make a few observations. It is good in the way it went about it but I think in execution it was kind of poor. I would amend the fact that you only get half an sMerit when given a Merit because then there would be more merits in the system meaning more people being generous. Another thing is that I kind of forget I have a few so I haven't used it yet, and lastly it seems like the power is all in the legendary hands and when you centralize power we all know what happens next and its not a good outcome..

The merit system looks good, but needs some small imrovement.
I would like to have some Smerits to send for quality posting

I do not think that the new system of merits will help significantly remove substandard messages from this forum. But this innovation has virtually destroyed the established rules of transition from rank to rank, because it will already be impossible to do for years. The senior members, the heroes and the legendary became sharply recruited in terms of distribution of merit. Go from rank to rank below the senior member is almost impossible and in the future everyone will be able to make sure of this. I am also surprised that the participant has the opportunity to send just one unit of merit, a full member from four to six depending on the activity, and the senior member and above have the ability to already send tens and hundreds of merit units. This distribution of opportunities is clearly discriminatory. It is aimed at preventing new members from participating in the ICO and positively affecting only the ranks, beginning with the senior member and higher. I take this innovation dramatically negatively.

It's interesting, but the bitcointalk accounts will be sold in connection with the innovations?))) I hope the innovations will be useful if the leaders of the forum will approach the issue of spam correctly.

As long as they post quality replies, they shouldn't worried about it though, no?

Just focus on making decent posts - quality over quantity.

Say you like this new system with merit? I would like to see for how many years you will collect 100 necessary merits to the full member and for how many decades to a senior member, even if you write quality messages. The very idea of ​​merit is not bad. However, it is implemented in such a way as to exclude new participants from participation in the ICO and prevent them from moving along the existing system of ranks. Over time, this will be quite clearly manifested.

There is a Bounty in which newbies can participate too https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2851362.new#new
And they generously give Merit to active participants in the branch

It is a positive attempt to encourage better responses, and discourage spam. Some posts just compel you to praise, for the content, the words and points put across simply and concisely. Here the merit system works because we can give deserving merit there.

Funny thing, 80% of information on Bitcointalk is bullshit, or spam to develop somehow. It is not good or bad, it is the way the world works :D Forum, which is so huge and profitable couldn't work in another way. I think old system was not so bad, to get a member. I have been writing bullshit for about 4 month, and during that time in crypto I started to gain profits, filter information better and produce better information. So, bullshit that is produced by the guy with experience is more valuable, and everybody understands that. I wouldn't be surprised if no one reads this, this is bit.talk ;D
Sorry for issues in language, I am not a native speaker.

Unambiguously get the rank higher now it will become very difficult. Criteria for the quality of posts who will determine? Hero Member, who say that it is not necessary to write about this here, why did they come here? How do you consider all posts in this thread qualitative? High ranks, I wonder when you were new, did you have all the posts full of informative information? How many people, so many opinions. I agree with the previous author, the centralization of power does not give good results.

From one side it may decrease spam, but I don't know how to collect so much merits). Not much people want to give away them for free.

The intentions are very good, but the realization is crazy: there are very few merits in circulation, and they will disappear with the use.
The mining proposed is totally insufficient.
The result will be that even if you write a masterwork, nobody will give you any credit, for the simple reason that they have nothing to give.
And you can bet that will start an interesting commerce of merits...

From my point of view, this is a very convenient system for cleaning our favorite forum from spam, because most branches are simply impossible to read, and in general branches are created that clone themselves. What for? I think that Merit will help us deal with this.

i really like this new merit system, because it is not easy to rank-up with a shitpost, one-liner, like what we are witnessing before. for me this is a another challenge to us to earn merit with a high quality posts, but if you dont do any quality post you are still remain at your current rank. this is to avoid/less/moderate more spam to all member rank and higher to create many alts with a low quality posts, spam, just to rank up and to earn on what activity he/she participate.

Looks like this new system will make it almost impossible for new members to reach higher ranks, sounds like a monopoly by the typical beaurocracy to stop the public from getting its rights, we are fedup of our governments and systems in our lives already and now we are refused freedom in the online world in this forum as well, we have been deprived of our rightful ranks, it is time to speak up against this brutal new system. There were many other options to stop spam and shitposts, just minus the activity point per spam or shitposts, and if someone post more than 3 spam or shitposts per week then he can be suspended from posting for next week. But implementing a stopping system is against democracy and freedom of the forum members, i personally want this system to be removed and restore the old system.

I don't like. Because don't understand how i can get Merit if i am a beginner and can't write posts of high quality.

You get Merit when you write quality posts. Someone appreciate your post and give you merit point. The bottom line is if you write spam no one will ever give you Merit, but if you write good quality posts, that help other members, they will give you Merit and you will up rank.

if your post make other members feel fun, satified with what they need to know, may be they will give you merit for thank.

This is certainly great,thus reduce the amount of spam. But while it is almost impossible to get a new rank. When merit has just appeared , I was on one of the threads asked the question,asked to explain me the situation and what me to do(I was then lowered in rank and on the same day returned it)I was even accused that I beg some merit for me :)

Hmm , It is not effecting me a lot.
But I don't think it's a good thing. But we will see how it will go.

This system is very unfair, it highly favors the older users. A lot of these higher rank users ranked up by posting short messages.  It's exponetially harder to level up now, most people won't even bother t osend out merit.  Then you throw in the fact that people are going t osell merit and corrupt the whole system.

I agree with you, this new system cannot be justified, it will only benefit the old members that are already enjoying high ranks without the need for merit.

I totally agree; There is no way for me to achieve the next position of Full Member (I'd need 90 merit...), not talking about higher positions.

Of course, only legendaries are happy with this new system, so they can make high rewarding campaign, keeping away the concurrence.
(please note the most of them are pure shitposters, chek their posts...).
The only hope is that Theymos will understand that the system is unsustainable also from a mathematical point of view: merits after some time will disappear, so...no more merits at all.
We'll see.

It was not unfair just consider it as a new challenge to improve your post. Because most of the users in bitcointalk are joining because they just want to earn money. This principle's can't consider of this sites they do this merit systems to see how people level up their quality of post.

It's not true: there is not enough merits to disposition: as member, I've just ONE to give. Then, stop. Oh, and I've to receive TWO to give ONE.
So, merits will disappear in short time (the mining proposed can't compensate).
So, even you write masterworks, no one will have merits to offers.
I'm pretty sure the system will change; because it doesn't make other sense than to give unfair privileges to old members.

i think its a good system. i read today the first posting about it in the meta section. i wonder why so many people are so angry about the new system. the system is new and only time will tell if the system works good or not. my question is can a normal user of this forum apply as a merit source?

I understand that, but merit even for good posts rarely give because they are sold. Why would a man just to put merit, if he can sell it?

THis merit is good to prevent bad comments on different threads but it may have a bad impact on the new users of bitcointalk as they have to face lot of competition now. Their ranks will increase if both activity and merit increases. now if they don't get merit points from anyone they they may buy these points from another users. I think that nobody in this world will donate these merit points to anyone without any his own gain.

Bounties are really important part of a forum but they also cause of low quality messages on forum. Because of the some bounty campaigns, last month was a mess. Post qualities were terrible. I hope merit system will hinder spamming and rank farming.

I think that this topic is not for the altcoins section. But anyway, I think that Merit system should be a little but upgraded. What is the sense for me as a high ranked member to give away my merits? Maybe I'm just don't used to do it, but if there will some reward system for giving out merits it would be great.

I have a doubts that everyone will use it and good posts may just sink in trash posts and nobody would give them any merit. From the other hand some ppl may start creating high quality posts.

But the situation may develop in such a way that one tries,writes good,thoughtful posts,but others just don't notice it in a great many other equally good posts! And what to do then?

I prefer myself to be quite for now about this one and I choose to wait and see the result for the coming results before giving my opinion. What I know every comment opposite to this side can't change of what is already given.

I'm not sure if the merit system will be effective to prevent spammers, the fact there are still many useless posts in this board such as "great project" "I'm interested to join" "good job dev" "it has great future" and many other similar posts made by (mostly) newbie and brand new accounts.
On other hand, it will be effective to prevent account farming because it is now hard to rank up as users need both activity points and merit points to rank up.

It somehow had to happen. Remember what was the influx of new users, which was the reason for the failure of the forum servers. The forum administration was forced to introduce a system of merit

This new merit system is a good process but unfortunately as usual there are loopholes are there are some sort of agreement between users to share merit with each other to gain the merit score so I don't think this will work on long-term basis.

It is introduced to merit the post, but i don't think that it is going to make much impact. Most people will not bother to give merit.

For communication in these branches admins charge +Merit. Only need to write normal constructive messages
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2657895.new#new

That won't work as far as I know these merits are traceable which means it would get easily found out who is working with whom and that ship would not sail at all. I do like it as it is going to improve the quality of the forum and that is what we want long term I believe.

Maybe someone had good intentions to clear the forum of low-quality messages, but judging by how it was done, this innovation will only give a negative result. The gap in the powers between the ranks to the senior member and after him has been widened too. This practically makes it impossible to advance at the ranks, as it was before. Now write or do not write quality messages, almost no one gives merits. Works only exchange of merits and their purchase. In order for this to work, it is necessary not to put so much stringently the necessary number of merits. For example, 90 units of merit between a member and a full member for two months, as it was before, absolutely can not be obtained. Or is the innovation directed simultaneously at slowing progress in ranks?
         For junior members and members, I do not at all see the prospect of ranking progress. It seems that they just decided to cut off new members in the forum and strengthened the privileges of senior members and higher. In general, innovation with merit is extremely unfair.

The merit system is one of the reason for a user to ranked up slowly. The user needs to gain merit from other user by getting merit on his posts. This system is a good idea for me because, many users are abusing the forum and creating multiple accounts. By this system their latest account will struggle in ranking up easily.

As many of you are aware by now, the proposed 2015-2020 Agreement contains a new, fairly complicated, merit salary system. The new merit system can be summed up in one sentence: Oakland distributes merit money based on performance scores assigned to faculty members by evaluating the faculty member's annual report against a unit-specific performance rubric.

I agree.
The difference in the quality of the messages has not yet been noticed. But achieve next rank for beginners, like me now does not shine).

In a way it is good for the forum,  less spam by new user but I find that the merit system is a little too difficult for those people who really want to level up either by doing bounty or more post frequently as it is something new so they should be having a hard time to get merit for the post or thread they have post

i cant conclude just yet as merit system has just started, for now i can say its effective againts spammers in the forum that wants only to level up ranks, but well see whats gonna hapoen next, trully this ones really hurt to member to sr member rank, but this is not how to stop spammers i think, spammers are gonna spam no matter what, yhats who they are.

Maybe on a overall scale it is ACHIEVABLE that quality post would receive their deserved merit as viewers are always 10x 20x more than their comments. Still i felt it's so hard cause you wouldn't expect viewers to go through all 100 pages of comments to find the right one, those fighting for merit might just go for merit trades maybe among a group of people (I still not sure how it works).

Yeah and some good posts didn't get credited also because they're not known here and some don't really even care to give merit and this is the reality.
And when you give high merit to others because yoy really like their post then someone will accuse you that it's your alt account. Like wth they want us to do? Like what if I give 50 merit to theymos, is that mean that I'm his alt account?
Don't get me wrong as I'm not against with this new system but be at least fair enough to everyone.

I appreciate the intention behind the merit system, but the results are terrible.
Now old members have too much power, and the new don't have any real chance to grow up.
So, you'll have a "frozen" forum. Of course, this in some way will stop spam, but... it will stop anything.
I think that very fast there will be some change. We'll see.

I think this is going to be a hard system to deal with because there are times that people do a constructive post but they really don't get any because others are afraid to lose merits. I think there must be an alternative solution to the spammers and I don't think that it should be done this way. And it will be really hard for the new members of this forum.

I like it. But some people has many memberships and they can manipulate it on new users.
And some can sell merits. It is good but so many holes.

It is good innovative. I hope people that deserve the merit get it and not just spammers, measures should be taken to see that the merit system is not abuse by the forum members.

Although, we have no choice to conclude the new merit system to prevent spammy posts from the users. If you think that your post deserves a sMerit, then you can look for a thread which gives sMerit for your post, this service is usually can be found on the Services board.

If we see the existence of this new merit regulation also can we say for the best post rather and reduce spam, but in terms of the other is also very difficult for us to continue the higher rank again.

I don't know why so many guys care about the level.
Do we remember the original goal of the bitcointalk forum??
Let more people know the bitcoin and learn more.
So why we need high level??You still view posts even you are
a newbie.That's enough!
I support the new merit system.
No more spam!

I think that the system needs improvements. High ranks will not give merits to the newcomers of the forum for good posts, it will already be unfair.

I think it's terrible to be honest because from what I've seen, it's not deterring spam at all, and it's getting used as a popularity meter where people who've already attained legendary are giving them to their friends for inside jokes and such.  Other times, it seems to be fueling some sort of virtue-signaling handout system.  By that, I mean that there's a ton of posts along the lines of "post here and I'll see if you're worthy of having these merits bestowed upon you by my holiness".   ::)  The whole thing conjures up images of a bored rich person walking into a welfare office and inspecting the crowd of unwashed peasants and taking it upon themselves to decide who deserves their pity and who doesn't, all the while filming it for everyone to see how magnanimous they are.  I don't understand how anyone thought that this was a better system than the standard upvote/downvote that everyone else uses.  Sure, it has it's flaws as well, but this merit system just seems like a giant leap backwards.  First off, merits from what I understand, are a finite resource that decays over time, and is only created by certain crony accounts.  Everyone needs them to "level up" except for the max ranked legendaries, but they're expected to be handed out by anyone who has them?  Why would someone who isn't already max ranked and cares about leveling up give them away, thereby leaving themself with less of them?  Secondly, why is it even possible for a max ranked account to even receive them?  They have absolutely no use for them other than to use to measure their epeen.  Third, just what the hell is a "good" post and what isn't?  And even if you were to exactly quantify the necessary criteria that makes up said "good" post, anybody should know that it's rarely going to be used for that.  Also, there seems to be a significant number of people on this board who aren't native English speakers, so even if they meant to post a well thought out and constructive post, it might not come across that way because of the language barrier.  How often do you think that those posters are going to be deemed worthy of merits?  Finally, if merits are meant to highlight useful or helpful posts, why even have the various boards for noncrypto-related topics?  The merits given out in those sections seem about as rare as a fat vegan.

I am supporting the new system as well, but I think that the merit levels needed for full member,  sr. member and above are a too high.

Everybody who is taking part of bounty campaigns care about level up, because higher level means better pay for the same amount of work done.

I think it needs to be developed a bit more, people are too lazy or not bothering to give merit's to other's user's, to avoid competition lol. Certainly, there is some advantages, but still required further work

we could adopt the level matrix of dota2. you have to do something to level up and at the same time has these commend and report systems in place to prevent abuses like fraud and spams and other unrelated contents.

It's not cutting down on spam though.  The threads are still littered with nonsense posts like "I agree hugely.  Nice idea dev, I reserve translate much good for Rastafarian".  It's such a terrible system that it's actually created more spam and useless discussions in the form of talking about the terrible system.   :D  I do agree with you that it shouldn't matter, but obviously it does.

I think its a good concept to fight away spam comments. But it will be harder now for members to upgrade their rank as it now depends on number of activities and merit. Unfortunately for me I am about to rank up but my merit is not enough.

I think differently. I believe this can serve as an incentive for posts with better quality, since you can give way merit points to people according to their posts.
Some adjustments may be needed on the way, of course, but it's too early to say that this is going to be a problem.

Merit system really a good idea, i think it will stop spamming, because some people just post and wait to get rank.

Something should have been done but I think that this system has its flaws.
At the moment , i believe that merits out there and and gap between ranks is too huge.

I for one dont even believe that I am getting rank up even with good posts it will take a very long time.

First of all this must be posted in the meta section and not here in the Alt Coin Discussion. Anyways, for me as a member of this forum the merit system is quite good being implemented because this will reduce people who shit posts in this forum just to get the required activity to rank up. Lastly, people now are required to use their minds to post knowledgeable topics/posts so that people will appreciate it and give them merits. My conclusion, people will now be focusing on what they post now rather than shit posting and users will now stop account farming because of more difficult in ranking up.

Theymos will surely adjust the required merits in each rank if he sees that most of the people find it hard to get some merits from the sources,because most of the quality posts arent being recognized in each threads,as he said we should wait for atleast 1-2months so he can think about adjusting the required merits.And im sure he will adjust it we should wait further,as the matter of fact i see less people spamming around the forum from the past 2 weeks.

My only thought of the new Merit System is like Axl Rose's line "It feeds the rich while it buries the poor" from his Civil War song. While high ranking users mostly got the merits from other low ranking users, those Newbies and Jr. Members could even hardly get a merit even if their posts are good.
But then, a rule is a rule so we can do nothing about it anymore. Let's just expect that we can't read low-grade posts anymore here.

For me, this new merit system have pros and cons. Due to this merit system, people here in this forum will improve on their answers. we will see more high quality posts and relevant threads will also increase. People will strive to gain more merit so they will post more relevant questions and information. It is a great help for us. We learn more here in this forum so if more high quality posts will be posted, it will help us more in gaining knowledge. Though having this merit system also mean that it will be hard for each and everyone of us to rank up.

My take on this new merit system is leaning towards the positive. Not that i like it, i think it is design to eliminate low quality and non-sense post. People nowadays will think twice or even thrice if their posts does have sense before clicking that "POST" button. We are now more aware of what we are going to post because whether we like it or not we are after that merit that someone might give to us if ever he likes our post, but i doubt if that will happen. You are right that people will not bother to give us that precious merit because they are not used in doing that.

But then again, let us just support this new system because this is for the improvement of this forum.  

I am not aware of that merit system until I checked it on the meta section, the mods and the management just want quality post for their members because we have to admit it, there are to many spam post just to hype the coins they are promoting or supporting with that merit system people will try to post high quality of course I will give merit if one truly deserves.

Totaly agree with you. Even if you post quality posts every single day it doesn't guarantee that anyone will give you merit and thus it'll take twice more time to reach the next rank. And regarding spammers, I don't think that these system will decrease the amount of spam on the forum. They'll continue to post low quality posts just to promote their threads and I think that they don't really care about their rank.

Most of the people complains about this new merit system,few only sees what this new merit system can do.From the past 2weeks there are far less shitposter posting unrelevant topics in every threads in bitcointalk,most of the spammers stopped posting this is just of the positive things about merit system because right now most of the people are being forced to post quality contents so they can earn some merit points.

The new merit system has been a pressing matter on my mind. I don't understand this system at. I have seen someone with 700 post and 500 merit and I have seen someone with close to 1000 post and 250 merit. I dont know may be some people have the ability to just give credit to whosoever they desire. My thought is that I want this system reviewed so that of will favour everyone. However, I would appreciate if any one can give me more clarifications on this new merit system. Thank you.

Merit was created to decrease the users who are creating unconstructive post and also to hinder other users to create multiple accounts. The downside of merits is just, it was like a biased for those early users who already ranked up their account to legendary easily.

I think its disgusting I cant ranked up should i gain more merits to step up. Stocking in a member rank without merit I think Im a full member now. But merit is a policy to avoid spammers and unconstructive post

Honestly at first I was disappointed with this new merit system because as a Jr Member  it is hard for me to level up my rank again. Even how constructive, how well I post no one will bother to merit it anyway. I understand that it is their way to avoid spamming in the forum and to avoid multiple accounts. But it will decrease or lessen my chances to grow my rank and to earn more in the bounties.

In my point of view merit system will force people to post quality contents here,it will lessen shitposters and spam in the whole forum and i dont quite understand why people complaining about this.This is a verygood move from theymos,the just want to bring back the old days which this forum is known about,because most of the people in this forum is about the signature campaigns and for the money.

When i see this i was curious what is this new system
 For what using this new system of bitcoin that was merit so someone who post according to merit thay was i realize that this is the perfect idea of the developer for those who taking advantage of bitcoin forum even short post it is also counted so that when i read this i am agree to avoid spammer and thos always taking advantage.

It is totally unfair. You need to post on meta in able to get a merit but if you are posting in a regular thread, good luck to you even if your comments are helpful or quality post. Who ever suggest it is stupid because it will not solve the problem instead it will create another problem like selling their merit to be able to rank up their account. The new
 merit system will just damage the image or the reputation of the forum and sooner or later. Someone will create a forum like this that has a better policy.

That's not true. I give merit to a good post. Doesn't have to be the most brilliant post ever made but I will give merit for a good post and I don't even look at what rank the person I give the merits to are.


Yes exactly. It just creates more work for mods because it's just another thing to be abused and now they have to monitor it. I'm seeing people make good posts and not be rewarded. It's very disheartening. It's gonna be like steemit. Only the high ranks or a small group of people get merit and the rest get none just like steemit. A nonesense article that's ok quality gets high steemit rewards just because the owner owns a lot of steel tokens.


It's funny you should say that. You haven't been given a single merit points and neither have I. Most people haven't even got 1 and it's not because they don't post well it's because people don't care.

There will always be room for improvement. At first it will be quite hard for us. But we will get used to it anyway and benefit from it. We may not find it convenient as of the moment but I know in the future this will help us also improve mentally. This will force us to make more sense and compose our thoughts in a more decent way.

For example, I do not mind to distribute these likes to other users.  I will give them out, I do not mind. Just less people will participate in the campaign signatures. that's all.

It's a bummer to those that are new or those that are higher ranked and were close to increasing their rank.  Under the old system, I would have been just a couple weeks away from reaching Sr. Member status but its going to take a bit more time now.   ;D

Although I'm new and just started doing it, but I do not think that this innovation can improve the quality of posts and protect the forum from spam. The item entitled Merit undoubtedly affects only the difficulty of attaining new ranks for Bitcoin Talk. I can not really understand - WHY? After all, if a person wants to - he can just buy an account, and this is what many people who write spam are doing. Such people do not need to write something sensible, they just need to write one sentence in order to participate in the Bounty. With all this, I can not understand how it will be necessary to try to write good and high-quality posts, what would you be given the Merit? After all, there are a lot of people on this forum. The merits, there are not so many of them, and I think that they will not be enough to distribute to all those who really deserve them. And again, the more people try, the more they will not only write meaningfully and constructively, but more often! And is not it just as spam? When people write meaningfully but trying to get the Merit - write 10 to 20 (maybe I'm exaggerating - but approximately) the answers per day?

I think it was about time we switched to a merit-based system. People who submit quality posts deserve to rank up, quality>quantity.

Yes, that would be better. But as far as I understand now everything is tied to the fact that in bounty companies it is necessary to give a certain number of comments in certain time, until it changes - the quantity will not change either. And again, let's return to the fact - that the newcomers now - in fact, it is impossible to earn Merit. For example, that I would have 10 merits - it will be as it seems to me to wait a year ?! But in fact earlier, those who now have a large account - it to its level was pumped much faster. Month - and you are already a Novice, another month and you are a Member. I mean what it's all about - Merit - it could be done for the sake of people's good, but at this particular moment it's not an option! I think if you think it over carefully, you can think of something more appropriate.

We just need to reconcile ourselves with this new system, work further and hope that in the future this will bring a lot of benefits to this forum and the whole community!

I agree with you, the main problem of the merit system is that the majority of people don't care to give merit to others because they don't get anything out of it and like for most things if people don't get rewarded they won't do it.
There are probably still a lot of people that don't even know that there is this new system.

Other than that I think and hope it's gonna kill most of the spam there is nowadays on the forum, it was getting out of hand and it was even a waste of time to read most threads because people were saying nonsense offtopic just to farm up their post count and rank up.

New merit system is real bullsh.t , because anyone wants to sell you their merits! WTH? I don't understand that system!

Yes, I agree a bit with this merit rule. Merit does hinder a person for promotion. However, with the merit I think someone will be more thinking in making a post or thread, to be more useful for many people.

What i think about the merit system is , now its difficult for us ordinary members here in bitcointalk to be given a merit without any help from a higher rank members and what we so called team of higher ranks. Posting and replying good is one of the key to get merit but it depends also in a user who will give that merit , many users here in bitcointalk problems this merit system.

I think it would be better if we had a demerit system.Having a normally constructed post is not necessarily sh*t post. Some of us do simplify our post so that more people can understand what are we trying to get across. Also, we have to consider that we are an international forum, not many of us can speak english fluently when trying to post outside of our local channels. This is due to the language barrier, so probably they are trying their best to join and contribute to the forum but are hindered by their proficiency in the language. In having a demerit system, we could set a certain number of reports we can do in one day, and also, there will be a certain number of demerits we can get to warn us of our posting quality.

It seems that only Legendaires are happy with the new system, because the situation is frozen in their advantage.
I appreciate the intention, but the real problem is that merits are too scarce, and only a few people can give them.
For example, even if I read a good post, I can't give any merit.
And I understand that Members have just ONE merit to give, and Full Members just a few. The system can't work in this way.
I'm pretty sure that will be major changes in short time. At least, I hope.

It has been demonstrated in multiple forums and spaces (for example Steemit) that a system of stimuli or rewards based on likes, votes or "merits" is called to fail since the only ones that tend to earn points are the most popular members, and not necessarily those who work more or those who write quality content. And that's why people reward more someone who uploads a ridiculous video, while someone can make a great effort to write a true masterpiece and hardly pick up a point in his favor.

The new merit system is a good idea and i agree with it. But for those who are new and just starting it so hard for them to rank up.they need to post an excellent topic just to earn merit. It so hard to rank up but thats ok to prove that you do hard work to rank up.

The new system will reduce spamming and more quality post will be posted on the forum.

My thoughts on this score are as follows. that now it will be very difficult to climb the ranks of those who sit on the forum for their pleasure and who have no friends. Soon people will stop placing merits just like that.

I personally don't like the new merit system. But I think that it also somewhat allows the moderator to prevent people who just spam or post comment without much sense. However, it affects everyone thus it's harder to rank up now.

It also bothers me that even if you are trying your best to really be careful in posting and making it a quality post, no one gives out merits so you are stuck in your current rank.

I don't like the system,  I think it needs a lot of improvements. Merits are given by people who have smerit,  but nobody can make them give it to you even if you have written the best text in the world. I like the idea,  but it is so raw and under worked.

I think, that the new merit system is real crap(
I believe,that the managers wanted to make something useful...But it's not good result(

On the one hand, this idea is rational, because a lot of people have entered the forum in recent months. If they all began to raise ranks, the situation would not be very pleasant, especially in bounty campaigns. But on the other hand, to raise the rank now - almost impossible task. For example, I need ninety merits to get the next rank. Need I to create ninety useful themes for it?

A nice move to get rid of the fake accounts but it's absolutely skimp.Some people who would jump the rank were victims of this situation.Could be given merit according to membership level.Obviously nobody gives merit to anyone easily.
This is a quality forum and managers will be able to solve this problem.

I think merit system is one solution that they are trying to implement because there are a lot of scammers now. People posting non-sense in on the decline now because you are now aware that garbage posting is not allowed in this forum. Although i maybe affected because ranking-up would now be difficult but still i support this move by the administrator.

Honestly, I don't like a merit system because for me it looks like unfair to me. Supposed to be I'm gonna be a full member but due to my job is so busy I standby this account for a while. Now, It looks like my chance to be a rank of full member is never gonna happen that I need 90 more merits in order to rank up.

Well, I understand having a merit points to avoid those pow quality posters as well as spammers people here. Also, as I observed the merit system is in favor for those high rank that they can easily give merit to those people they know even the post is not so good as a quality post and even how good and even how quality post you have, I don't think there is some will give you. So for me merit is not a good idea at all. Just my opinion.

The thing is, noone is using it, and noone will be using it. There is no motivation for me to give a merit to someone.. This way, nobody will be able to rank up. It's ridiculous to think that this will ever work. I will never be able to gather 110 merit to rank up.. there is no way. There must be another way.

I think they make or implement this merit system its because their are a lot of users especially the brandnew is rushing their account to become jr member and rush to a member in just one month. In case of that thing to prohibited, the solution is the merit system with this, the number of ranks would be fair. You can give merit for those people who deserves it.

C ввoдoм нoвoй cиcтeмoй зacлyг, я тeпepь зacтpял в cвoeм paнгe, тaк кaк никтo дaжe и нe пoдyмaeт пocтaвить мнe или кoмy-тo eщё зacлyгy бeзвoзмeзднo. Кaждый пытaeтcя eё тeбe пpoдaть. Я кpaйнe нe дoвoлeн этoй cиcтeмoй.

Baм дaли xoть oднy зacлyгy? Heт, и нe дaдyт бeзвoзмeзднo, дaжe ecли вы этoгo зacлyживaeтe. Maкcимyм ктo мoжeт пocтaвить вaм зacлyгy жтo вaш дpyг.

The new user limitations are brutal... I can't have a conversation with someone via private messages or even have a decent conversation on a thread, because of the harsh limits.

The system is good in general, but will surely limit the forum advancement to existing, established members. Oh well.

This merit system is new in this forum, though it is becoming difficult day by day and we are totally dependent upon the higher ranking member. Like me many people are trying to make quality post, but i am trying to post something which is easily understandable to everyone in this forum but none give merit and I am stuck in same position.
Please send merits.

I think if a committed merit system can only be given to an account that can make a truly quality post it will be a little inconvenient, both for beginners and old like members, personally I agree with merit system, even though I am new jr. member that means something good for me can be even better in contributing in this forum. merit system will be more useful for the progress and existence of a better forum.

On my opinion, i think the merit system is to stop spamming and to not rush all newbie to rank up on jr member. So it will be hard for us to level up our account. They need quality and long post in this forum. So like me, i just choose the only topic i understand about crypto. But i know there will be a good reason for the merit system. All i have to do now is to make extra effort and more patience.

People are not spreading the merit out.  I think the requirements to level up are too strict but it can be adjusted as the mods seem fit. 

Thank God I managed to get into the wave and get at least a little bit in this sphere, but it is already evident that there are a lot of novices and this machine will not stop.
not a bad system to weed out a small fish, but the growth of users gives and the demand for crypto currency. so it was hard for me to judge

It's good if you are legendary or a hero member within range of ranking up lol

Everyone else has a much harder time now, making high ranks that much more valuable.

I think this is a problem for non native English speakers. The vast majority of this forum is in English. Italian community, from my perspective, is much smaller compared to the size of some others. Even quality contents in there wouldn't get any merit, simply because there are few users logged in. And writing a marvelous post in English is kinda tricky for me, since i'm not honed like you in English. I'll try to do my best to deserve being rewarded, but that won't be an easy task. Even working as translator didn't help me gain credit to my community, even doing a great job. Well, time will tell.

I think the merit allocation system should be improved . It is to strict and centralized right now . Also , the main problem is that merit system wouldn't solve the spam problem , just look in random altcoin discussion thread and you will find it is full of useless spam . Wanna defeat spam ? Disable signatures , this will solve the spam problem , as well as lower forum traffic .

Merit is can be given by your friends

I have exactly the same opinion!

1) Most of the user won't bother to give merit to those who deserve.
2) Hero/Legendary are more recognized by the other users, not only for the post, but also for the colorful signatures and avatars.
3) Most merit will be given to those who give airdrops or manage campaigns in the time of distributing tokens.
4) Will get harder and harder to rank up! I'm almost half way to Senior, and now need to get merit somewhere.
5) Start to see post ending in "if you though my post was helpful please give me some merit".
6) There are still a bunch of people that never heard about merit.
7) There will be quality posts with no merit, and shit posts from "friends" with +50 merit.

And so on... and so on...

I really think that this system can be good for the forum, but it's not well thought!
This is benefic for the old people versus the new one instead of being benefic for the quality posters!

A few thoughts...

Spam levels reduced? No. People can still post as much rubbish as they used to - there's no penalty for posting garbage.  Negative merit would be a way of restricting this.  eg. The more negative the merit of someone, the longer wait time between each post they can do - Of course it could also be open to abuse, with people giving negative merit out of vindictiveness or simple boredom.

Abuse of the system? Absolutely! There is already ample evidence to support the fact that people with multiple accounts are giving Merit to themselves; trading merit for other benefits; various abuses by members with high rank (lots of merit) but low morals.  (Look in the Meta section for tons of examples)

Quality posts get rewarded? Not necessarily.  Any new system takes time to become broadly adopted.  Many people may not even realise there's a merit system been implemented yet.  Other issues, such as bouncing the user off the thread when giving merit, will also need attention.

Harder to rank up?  Possibly.  It will depend on the uptake of merit system use and willingness of members to award merit to posts that aren't necessarily a lengthy dissertation, but simply a quality comment on a thread that adds value to the discussion. (Maybe like this one?)

I believe that can be frustrating, but a good thing. It filter out the spammer and people with low quality content. Now people will be putting out more useful content. The only unfair problem I see with this is the unfair merit that might be distributed. People who make post with quality will probably get no merit and people with crappy post will probably get merits.

The problem is when you make good posts but get nothing. The only merit I have was from you. I need like 250 or something ridiculous to level up. It's not fair if the people in the thread you are posting in are too stupid or useless to read and give merits. You could write good posts all day long and get nothing. It's not gonna work.

This is what I have been saying all along. Unless you build mechanisms to create incentives for merit sources or more senior members, the system will never take off.

Because whether they give merit or not, it doesn't make a difference for them. Giving merit is not affecting their lives in any way. Merit has to be an integral part of a user's experience on this forum, otherwise it will never work. You can count on it.

I couldn't agree more!
what it seems to me up until now is that this will benefict higher ranks and in a short time the forum will be flooded with newbies and jr and members that can't get up on the ranking system... (the merit steps between ranks are ridiculous and can't work well)
buddies will give merit between eachother, legendaries will get merit from lower ranks because they are legendaries, and the rest will be always begging for a bit of merit...
merit is not that bad though, it would be a good idea, but maybe not so closely tied to rank.....
not exactly sure but maybe the formula for activity calculation could also have merit in it... and posts would only be counted towards activity if they would be longer than 50 or 70 chars