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Title: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: cloon on July 14, 2011, 07:42:21 AM
It'll be great, if everyone uses after this poll the same symbol.

Think of usability!

This is not the Poll about the international code BTC ony about the sign like $ but for bitcoin
If you got another symbol writ and i'll put it in the poll.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: BitcoinPorn on July 14, 2011, 07:46:17 AM
And with one poll, one thread from a year ago http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=41.0 , has became two.

For your next trick, pull a rabbit out of your ass.

This is the only winner

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3629/hashbtc.jpg

But ฿ is second.

Note: The first and last options are no characters at all.   Bottom shows up as just a square.   Top one starts off with a  B but ends with a square character.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: cloon on July 14, 2011, 08:16:43 AM
ok yours is the winner write it with normal keyboard!^^


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: julz on July 14, 2011, 08:19:13 AM
I vote: forget about the glyph for now.

Use a sexy .png something like the image above, or the letters BTC.

Go for a proper unicode character once the bitcoin economy has some serious scale to it.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: wareen on July 14, 2011, 08:24:18 AM
I vote: forget about the glyph for now.

Use a sexy .png something like the image above, or the letters BTC.

Go for a proper unicode character once the bitcoin economy has some serious scale to it.

+1

The #-B is a great idea - I've tried to scale it down in the other thread (https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=41.msg361946#msg361946). Not sure if it works though.

Getting it into a Unicode revision will take a while, so I suggest we decide on a new symbol and propose it soon.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on July 14, 2011, 09:18:13 AM

#B

or

#B


either way


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Pentium100 on July 14, 2011, 09:40:08 AM
Why does it have to be a symbol, like $?

Why can't it be a letter combination (so you can type/print it on any computer, cell phone, typewriter), for example, Bc or Bt?


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: wareen on July 14, 2011, 09:43:34 AM
Why can't it be a letter combination
We already have a de-facto standard Bitcoin currency code: BTC
This discussion is about a single-digit symbol, which is kind of complementary for most (all?) currencies.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Alex Beckenham on July 14, 2011, 09:57:33 AM
None of the above. (Or possibly the last option, which for me just shows as a square).

My favourite can be seen here: http://ilovebitcoin.com



Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: BitVapes on July 14, 2011, 10:18:19 AM
None of the above. (Or possibly the last option, which for me just shows as a square).

My favourite can be seen here: http://ilovebitcoin.com



Indeed the one that shows up as 'just a square' for you is the one featured on the link you shared. Ƀ  

 also like it, and would use it on my bitcoin web store if it rendered properly in all browsers.  As you demonstrated, it often does not.  Therefore for now I use BTC and ฿


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Alex Beckenham on July 14, 2011, 10:37:28 AM
None of the above. (Or possibly the last option, which for me just shows as a square).

My favourite can be seen here: http://ilovebitcoin.com



Indeed the one that shows up as 'just a square' for you is the one featured on the link you shared. Ƀ  

Cool thanks, in that case I'll put in my vote for the square :)

http://ilovebitcoin.com/images/bitcoinheart.png


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: cloon on July 14, 2011, 11:31:09 AM
We see: ฿ is the favorite but it is already in ust by thailand
does someone know, if its "allowed" to use?

If not, there will be Ƀ the next favorite


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: brandon@sourcewerks on July 14, 2011, 12:17:29 PM
BTC - ฿

As a developer, I like the symbol above. --voted


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: kloinko1n on July 14, 2011, 01:44:45 PM
I find the list unnecessarily limited to capitals.
Capital 'B' stands for Byte, not bit, so for the bitcoin I propose the ␢ (I just hope it won't show as a square) :)
(description: minor 'b'with a horizontal line through the stem.
Edit: well, not quite totally horizontal...


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: dacoinminster on July 14, 2011, 02:40:36 PM
Can you add an option for "none of the above"?

Here is what I think it should look like:

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/998/btcc.png


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: phelix on July 14, 2011, 03:29:07 PM
witch....   hmm it's really hard to decide.

what about this one: http://gremlindog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/witch.jpg

(nerds: note the moiré effect zooming in and out)

zLOL


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: XIU on July 14, 2011, 03:48:47 PM
We see: ฿ is the favorite but it is already in ust by thailand
does someone know, if its "allowed" to use?

If not, there will be Ƀ the next favorite

And the $ is used only in the USA...


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: TheBitMan on July 14, 2011, 03:55:35 PM
We see: ฿ is the favorite but it is already in ust by thailand
does someone know, if its "allowed" to use?

If not, there will be Ƀ the next favorite

And the $ is used only in the USA...
I am use to the $ here in America, but I think the B with the line through it doesn't look to good I go with Ƀ
1.5Ƀ   looks pretty cool


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: BitcoinPorn on July 14, 2011, 04:28:34 PM
hahaha, I just seen the results, why is this a poll again?

Majority has ruled on this one long ago, and has ruled again.

I expect the topic to come back up in a month.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: TheBitMan on July 14, 2011, 05:16:56 PM
Have we decided if the symbol goes before the number or after?

(I'll just use B as the symbol) Do we write B7.12 or 7.12B? Or do we write B7,12 ?


Most currency's say $ amount.. or (Euro symbol) amount.. but it would be pronounced dollars 15 which no one says here...In the US as I know of. But Bitcoin..being the new amazing currency it is should be pronounced 7.12B and if you are out of the US please tell me why a comma is used instead of a decimal?   ???


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Leon on July 14, 2011, 05:41:12 PM
Pointless poll really. Voted for the obvious.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: PCRon on July 14, 2011, 06:19:58 PM
Have we decided if the symbol goes before the number or after?

(I'll just use B as the symbol) Do we write B7.12 or 7.12B? Or do we write B7,12 ?


Most currency's say $ amount.. or (Euro symbol) amount.. but it would be pronounced dollars 15 which no one says here...In the US as I know of. But Bitcoin..being the new amazing currency it is should be pronounced 7.12B and if you are out of the US please tell me why a comma is used instead of a decimal?   ???

what ever happened to registering with the (I assume I will get this wrong) International Symbols Org?


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: qwk on July 14, 2011, 06:26:32 PM
The bitcoin WITCH symbol:

http://i53.tinypic.com/2aaaglu.jpg


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: BitcoinPorn on July 14, 2011, 08:10:04 PM
qwk has visualized what I have been thinking, but then thinking I was crazy too as "Which" is spelled correctly in OP


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on July 14, 2011, 08:49:12 PM
Looks like my idea didn't make the cut:

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/474/90338483.jpg


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on July 14, 2011, 08:52:13 PM
The bitcoin WITCH symbol:

http://i53.tinypic.com/2aaaglu.jpg

Am I the only one who noticed that the end of the witch's broom looks like a flying squirrel?


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: skull88 on July 14, 2011, 11:41:35 PM
and if you are out of the US please tell me why a comma is used instead of a decimal?   ???
Because we use a decimal to separate sequences of three digit to make them better readable.
And we don't use a comma for that because the decimal was already in use for making roman numerals better readable, so when we switched to Arabic numerals the most logic thing to make them better readable was doing the same like with the roman numerals, put a decimal between them. And if the decimal is already in use to make your numbers better readable, than you use a comma. :)

ontopic: ฿, because the B symbol with 2 vertical lines is already adopted by the biggest part of the community as the bitcoin symbol. For fonts 2 vertical lines makes it unreadable, so 1 line is the way to go. And yes it is already used for thai baht, just like the $ sign is also used for more than one currency.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Alex Beckenham on July 15, 2011, 12:03:40 AM
and if you are out of the US please tell me why a comma is used instead of a decimal?   ???
Because we use a decimal to separate sequences of three digit to make them better readable.
And we don't use a comma for that because the decimal was already in use for making roman numerals better readable, so when we switched to Arabic numerals the most logic thing to make them better readable was doing the same like with the roman numerals, put a decimal between them. And if the decimal is already in use to make your numbers better readable, than you use a comma. :)

So your sig talks about winning 100.000 BTC. I'd very much like to win a hundred thousand bitcoins.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: OgNasty on July 15, 2011, 01:57:27 AM
So your sig talks about winning 100.000 BTC. I'd very much like to win a hundred thousand bitcoins.

Click the link then...

Thanks for putting up a poll.  It was hard to tell that this symbol is overwhelmingly preferred from the other post.  Just think if you only allowed 1 vote...


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Pentium100 on July 15, 2011, 05:43:30 AM
Why can't it be a letter combination
We already have a de-facto standard Bitcoin currency code: BTC
This discussion is about a single-digit symbol, which is kind of complementary for most (all?) currencies.

In Lithuania (where I live) the currency has no nonstandard symbol. Litas is written as Lt (instead of the standard LTL) and centas is written as ct. 100ct = 1Lt.
In Russia the ruble is written as pyб. and the kopek (0.01rub.) as к. or кoп. , which is Cyrillic.
Latvian Lats is Ls.

Actually, there seems to be quite a few (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_sign) currencies that are written in the alphabet of the country that uses them.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on July 15, 2011, 06:36:41 AM
Why can't it be a letter combination
We already have a de-facto standard Bitcoin currency code: BTC
This discussion is about a single-digit symbol, which is kind of complementary for most (all?) currencies.

In Lithuania (where I live) the currency has no nonstandard symbol. Litas is written as Lt (instead of the standard LTL) and centas is written as ct. 100ct = 1Lt.
In Russia the ruble is written as pyб. and the kopek (0.01rub.) as к. or кoп. , which is Cyrillic.
Latvian Lats is Ls.

Actually, there seems to be quite a few (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_sign) currencies that are written in the alphabet of the country that uses them.

My dad was born in Lithuania, and I was born in Chicago. Any chance we are related? We seem to think alike. We're on the same forum and both of us have commented on this tread. It really would be weird if you enjoy eating kugelis like I do.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: julz on July 15, 2011, 07:12:35 AM
Thanks for putting up a poll.  It was hard to tell that this symbol is overwhelmingly preferred from the other post.  Just think if you only allowed 1 vote...

I don't think this poll gives validity to 'overwhelmingly preferred' either.

For starters - it would make more sense to give an indication of what the existing symbols are currently used for.
Would ฿  get quite as many votes if it was mentioned alongside that this is already the symbol for the Thai Baht?

What is the rationale for the options given?  There are clearly others such as ƀ  (not that I'd vote for that either)

A proper poll wouldn't be conducted in this forum anyway I guess..  as bitcoinporn mentioned..  it'll probably just crop up again here in a mashed around form.

These polls are damaging in my opinion because they are so 1 dimensional.
It focuses on what looks good/familiar, without adequate consideration of the long term possibility of getting a genuinely unique-to-bitcoin glyph into the standards.
A difficult feat for sure - but better for bitcoin I reckon.

Boycott all existing glyphs for now and just use BTC until we get our own!


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: wareen on July 15, 2011, 07:46:35 AM
Boycott all existing glyphs for now and just use BTC until we get our own!
+1

I don't agree that polls about currency symbols in this forum are necessarily damaging though - there are however two distinct groups and I think that should be clearly pointed out: the one that wants a symbol they can type right now (which this poll seems to be about) and the one that favors a more long-term solution with a novel and unique glyph.

I'm personally in the second group because I don't see the big disadvantage of using "BTC" or an image in the meantime until we make it into the Unicode standard - I'm more interested in the long-term viability of Bitcoin and just recycling a symbol which is already in use will always be a poor compromise in my opinion.

With the #-B variants we already have proposals for really compelling glyphs (in terms of appearance as well as inherent representation of Bitcoins foundations). I'm working on a font representation of the glyph right now which can hopefully serve as a starting point for further discussion and finally a well structured poll for a long-term new symbol.

I don't condemn anyone wanting to use an existing symbol right now and the Baht symbol seems to be the consensus among this group (as the result of this and the previous poll seen to agree). We certainly can do much better in the long term though.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: julz on July 15, 2011, 08:02:02 AM

I don't agree that polls about currency symbols in this forum are necessarily damaging though -
I guess 'damaging' is a bit of a strong word - but I think it helps entrench the shallow 'oh that looks good enough' choice. Using an existing glyph out there on websites does the same I guess.


..I don't see the big disadvantage of using "BTC" or an image in the meantime until we make it into the Unicode standard - I'm more interested in the long-term viability of Bitcoin and just recycling a symbol which is already in use will always be a poor compromise in my opinion.
Agreed.


With the #-B variants we already have proposals for really compelling glyphs (in terms of appearance as well as inherent representation of Bitcoins foundations). I'm working on a font representation of the glyph right now which can hopefully serve as a starting point for further discussion and finally a well structured poll for a long-term new symbol.
Nice. It's easy to throw up a poll with existing glyphs.. but creating good looking fonts is tricky I believe. I'd like to see what the community can come up with that is unique to bitcoin - and then it might be good to have a sticky poll.



Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: D.H. on July 15, 2011, 08:35:57 AM
This discussion is about a single-digit symbol, which is kind of complementary for most (all?) currencies.

Certainly not for all. A lot of currencies have "symbols" that are multiple characters. http://www.xe.com/symbols.php. It is also worth noting that for example in Sweden "kr" is listed as the "symbol" for swedish krona when it is really just an abbreviation of "krona", not a "symbol". When I log in to my bank online, amounts are simply listed without a symbol (e.g. 14515.45).

So that's another option, don't bother with a symbol at all. Use the currency code (BTC) when it is necessary to avoid confusion. In Switzerland, CHF is used as both the symbol and the currency code by the way.




Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: wareen on July 15, 2011, 08:58:01 AM
Certainly not for all. A lot of currencies have "symbols" that are multiple characters.
Thanks for pointing that out - I realized that myself upon some further research.

Quote
So that's another option, don't bother with a symbol at all.
I think we should have a symbol in the long-term because... we can :D
Settling for BTC in the meantime is probably the best solution for now.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Jessynoo on July 15, 2011, 10:48:56 AM
Just adding a couple more Unicode candidates:







Ɓ
Ƅ




Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: BitVapes on July 15, 2011, 11:29:50 AM


lol what is ੳ it looks like a Mexican jumping bean


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Jessynoo on July 15, 2011, 11:43:08 AM

lol what is ੳ it looks like a Mexican jumping bean


http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/0a73/index.htm (http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/0a73/index.htm)

Not my favorite to be honest. I quite like this one:

http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/d6b/index.htm (http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/d6b/index.htm)

Too bad it's a digit


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: XIU on July 15, 2011, 03:08:43 PM
is pretty cool yeah


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Pentium100 on July 16, 2011, 01:09:19 AM
My dad was born in Lithuania, and I was born in Chicago. Any chance we are related? We seem to think alike. We're on the same forum and both of us have commented on this tread. It really would be weird if you enjoy eating kugelis like I do.

I doubt that we are related, though I do like kugelis (especially the sides/edged).


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Xephan on July 16, 2011, 06:13:26 AM
We see: ฿ is the favorite but it is already in ust by thailand
does someone know, if its "allowed" to use?

If not, there will be Ƀ the next favorite

And the $ is used only in the USA...

The general dollar sign $ is used in so many common situations and countries that people dealing with international transactions would by habit verify which currency is it referring to. However, using a symbol currently only used by a specific currency would create a potential for errors if not outright frauds. Just imagine if you had a contract for ฿100.00 thinking it was 100 bitcoin but the other person pays you 100 baht instead.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: julz on July 16, 2011, 06:25:55 AM
We see: ฿ is the favorite but it is already in ust by thailand
does someone know, if its "allowed" to use?

If not, there will be Ƀ the next favorite

And the $ is used only in the USA...

The general dollar sign $ is used in so many common situations and countries that people dealing with international transactions would by habit verify which currency is it referring to. However, using a symbol currently only used by a specific currency would create a potential for errors if not outright frauds. Just imagine if you had a contract for ฿100.00 thinking it was 100 bitcoin but the other person pays you 100 baht instead.

+1

That's a good point.
This is yet another case of the bitcoin community being it's own worst enemy.

A complete disregard for standards and existing systems is not going to give bitcoin plausability with merchants.
We need integration with other economies.

While I see much potential for bitcoin, and believe it may ultimately become a widespread and useful system - It's by no means obvious that the timeframe for that is necessarily short.
What if it's 50+ years before it 'takes off'?   
The way the general public and business perceive bitcoins could well keep it on a hobby scale for decades, even though the underlying technology and potential are fantastic.




Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: anu on October 20, 2011, 11:43:38 AM
Just imagine if you had a contract for ฿100.00 thinking it was 100 bitcoin but the other person pays you 100 baht instead.


Agree! Also, I don't think this will help Bitcoin adoption in Thailand which is something I am working on. Thailand already has a law against community currencies. As far as I know this law hasn't been used against Bitcoin yet, but this is something that may change if "patriots" there get annoyed.

Please don't.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Gabi on October 20, 2011, 12:06:55 PM
Good luck for thailand to attack bitcoin  :)


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: cbeast on October 20, 2011, 12:09:19 PM
I don't think this is currently being used.

http://badexample.mu.nu/archives/prince%20symbol.jpg


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: anu on October 20, 2011, 12:26:50 PM
Good luck for thailand to attack bitcoin  :)

This is besides the point. Of course there is no way the Thai govt can reach 99% on this forum. My point is that things might become difficult for Thai bitcoin adopters.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: BitcoinPorn on October 20, 2011, 02:25:50 PM
I still feel it could be argued strongly that there will be more people actively using the symbol to represent Bitcoin than the Thai money.  


Also from /r/Bitcoin

Quote
[–]Shuai 6 points 1 hour ago
uhm.
$ is used for more than one currency as well.

Quote
[–]kdoto 1 point 36 minutes ago
In fact, the dollar sign and symbols very similar to it have been used for dozens of different purposes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_sign


Basically, it is not big deal, except to the people who are making it out to be a big deal in 'what if' land


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: anu on October 20, 2011, 02:55:16 PM
I still feel it could be argued strongly that there will be more people actively using the symbol to represent Bitcoin than the Thai money.  

there are 70 Million users of Thai Baht. I think Bitcoin has a long way to go to get there.

What's the reason
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Bitcoin.png/120px-Bitcoin.png
is not in the list? Can't be an issue to make a font file containing this symbol, can it? No need to hijack an existing one!

I vote for restating the vote and include this symbol.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: BitcoinPorn on October 20, 2011, 06:57:07 PM
there are 70 Million users of Thai Baht.

Where did you pull that number from?

Or you assume all Thai people use or care for their currency symbol.   I wish the US dollar symbol would get hijacked and used for something better by some other land, shake things up a bit.

An issue with creating a new symbol is the installing it to new systems.  There is still a couple of the symbols used in the original post that do not show up on my computer, just a blank square.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Gabi on October 20, 2011, 07:06:55 PM
I still feel it could be argued strongly that there will be more people actively using the symbol to represent Bitcoin than the Thai money.  

there are 70 Million users of Thai Baht. I think Bitcoin has a long way to go to get there.

What's the reason
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Bitcoin.png/120px-Bitcoin.png
is not in the list? Can't be an issue to make a font file containing this symbol, can it? No need to hijack an existing one!

I vote for restating the vote and include this symbol.
We need a symbol that exist in the unicode, something that don't require people to install additional fonts...


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: anu on October 20, 2011, 07:21:13 PM

We need a symbol that exist in the unicode, something that don't require people to install additional fonts...

Short term convenience is reason enough to try and hijack one?

I remember people hat no issue with installing fonts that only had a € symbol. At some point I guess someone in the EU administration used a process the Unicode consortium provides to apply for the symbol. Maybe we could use the same process which is outlined here:
http://www.unicode.org/pending/proposals.html

I am sure if the tech laggards in the EU admin could do that, we can, too. In the meantime, providing a font file for download will be sufficient.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: BitcoinPorn on October 20, 2011, 07:54:10 PM
In the meantime, providing a font file for download will be sufficient.

lol, sure. The public has spoken on this subject quite a few times already, it is funny to see the people who feel so strongly about not sharing a symbol.   No matter what the Thai can now say they are part of Bitcoin history  ;)   


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: anu on October 20, 2011, 07:56:43 PM
Basically, it is not big deal, except to the people who are making it out to be a big deal in 'what if' land

Doing what-if is what we call being intelligent. Most invertebrates don't do that - they only respond to immediate stimuli.

And WHAT IF this is being used by the Bitcoin haters to show that we just behave like the immoral scum they believe we are? You are right, if no one makes a big deal out of it, it won't be. But the press and other people with agendas are known to make a big deal out of even real non-issues.

No idea if it makes sense to talk to you about the right of people not to get trampled all over them - which is just what hijacking the Baht symbol is. Maybe you just give a shit. People in the 3rd world have been kicked in their faces many hundred years. One more kick can't hurt, can it? As Gabi said - there is probably nothing the Thai government can do about it. The OpenSource community has been known to give, not to take from others just because they can't defend themselves.

Another what if: What if Bitcoin had been named ExabyteCoin? Would you have the guts to use €? Because this is exactly the same size of deal!

Boycott all existing glyphs for now and just use BTC until we get our own!

+1


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: BitcoinPorn on October 20, 2011, 08:00:43 PM
Another what if: What if Bitcoin had been named ExabyteCoin? Would you have the guts to use €?
Of course not, that is a symbol people care about, don't you get it ;)


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: anu on October 20, 2011, 08:48:03 PM
there are 70 Million users of Thai Baht.

Where did you pull that number from?
70 Million inhabitants. If you choose to subtract children, you also need to add user of Thai Baht in the bordering countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_baht
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Thailand
Or you assume all Thai people use or care for their currency symbol. 

Most people wouldn't care. Most are currently busy with unstable politics and the flood desaster. Reason enough to steal from them? Just like ore companies from China stealing rate earths and stuff from the Africans because they don't know better?

An issue with creating a new symbol is the installing it to new systems.  There is still a couple of the symbols used in the original post that do not show up on my computer, just a blank square.

Again: Is this a good enough reason to steal it? They designed it, they registered it with the Unicode Consortium. It's theirs. What you, Gabi and a few others display here is pure chauvinism.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: BitcoinPorn on October 20, 2011, 08:53:45 PM
a few others display here is pure chauvinism.

'few'  :D I am sorry you see sharing as stealing, and also really sorry the vocal minority must be so angry


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: anu on October 20, 2011, 08:56:12 PM

'few'  :D I am sorry you see sharing as stealing, and also really sorry the vocal minority must be so angry

You don't mind if I share your car and your wallet, do you?

Sometimes sharing adds. Not in this case. I am not angry, I am worried and disappointed.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: BitcoinPorn on October 20, 2011, 08:57:45 PM
You don't mind if I share your car and your wallet, do you?
You have gone mad  :D   Explain your analogy how that even works the same as a symbol everyone can use and it still hold value for each person


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: anu on October 20, 2011, 09:36:09 PM
You have gone mad  :D   Explain your analogy how that even works the same as a symbol everyone can use and it still hold value for each person

OK, I give you that: It isn't the best analogy. Still, using the word 'sharing' is just a euphemism. Man, you really don't get it, do you. This is wrong. This can fly in our face. Big potential for really big trouble. Why do you insist to put Bitcoin into danger?

At least you should figure out if the Thai government really can't get us: Are we violating some international law? If yes, an official complaint from the Bank of Thailand is just what some senators in the US or some commissioners in the EU need to promote themselves. Do I need to remind you that we're just 2.54cm from being declared enemy in the war against drugs?

But then: Viel Feind, viel Ehr'  ;D


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: zooko on October 20, 2011, 11:36:26 PM
I use "ⓑ".


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Xenland on October 20, 2011, 11:39:05 PM
The last one makes most sense i picked the last one in fact my websites updates will feature the newly chosen symbol


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: tardo on October 21, 2011, 12:36:58 AM
Ⓑ is definitely my favorite. It looks like a coin with a "b" on it so it's the most suitable in my opinion. I actually don't like ฿ and it's already taken which will cause confusion.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Gladiator on October 21, 2011, 01:28:47 AM
"B" is the kind of symbol that does not go well with piercing lines. Especially not two.
"lB" kind of symbol would look nice.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: dunand on October 21, 2011, 02:01:34 AM
Ⓑ is definitely my favorite.

I hate it because it looks like the Boston Bruins logo. :)

http://www.jeffs-icons.com/71354/LK-Boston_Bruins-1.gif


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: BitcoinPorn on October 21, 2011, 11:04:48 AM
And the $ is used only in the USA...

The vocal minority representing Thai refuses to accept sharing.

Quote
In addition to those countries of the world that use dollars or pesos, a number of other countries use the $ symbol to denote their currencies, including:
Nicaraguan córdoba (usually written as C$)
Samoan tālā (a transliteration of the word dollar)
Tongan paʻanga

An exception is the Philippine peso, whose sign is written as .
The dollar sign is also still sometimes used to represent the Malaysian ringgit (which replaced the local dollar), though its official use to represent the currency has been discontinued .
Some currencies use the cifrão , similar to the dollar sign, but always with two strokes:
Brazilian real
Cape Verde escudo
Chilean peso
Portuguese escudo (defunct)

The cifrão is also used to account for over 130,000,000 domestic standard U.S. Mint (1986+) bullion U.S. silver dollars as one dollar per one troy ounce fine (99.9%), thereby avoiding confusion with debased U.S. trade dollar-denominated tokens and Federal Reserve notes.[citation needed]

In Mexico and another peso-using countries, the cifrão is used as a dollar sign when a document uses pesos and dollars at the same time, to avoid confusions, but, when it used alone, usually is represented as US $ (United States dollars). Example: US $5 (five US dollars).[citation needed]

In the United States, Mexico, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Pacific Island nations, and English-speaking Canada, the dollar or peso symbol precedes the number, unlike most currency symbols. Five dollars or pesos is written and printed as $5, whereas five cents is written as 5¢. In French-speaking Canada, the dollar symbol usually appears after the number, although it sometimes appears in front of it, or instead may even be totally absent.

That is not even getting into the whole section of $ in programming languages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_sign



Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: theymos on October 21, 2011, 11:15:05 AM
I don't think a character symbol is really necessary. Just use BTC.

On images, the B with four vertical lines is unique and clear.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: BitcoinPorn on October 21, 2011, 11:19:22 AM
I'd personally love to see a revote in a month. Let this discussion die down, let no sides have some kind of large opinion.  Believe it or not I don't care that much about it lol, it's that attitude that keeps me from downloading any files to see things that show up as blank boxes on my screen though too, like a lot of people I think.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: anu on October 21, 2011, 12:27:03 PM
I don't think a character symbol is really necessary. Just use BTC.

On images, the B with four vertical lines is unique and clear.

#2


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Xenland on October 21, 2011, 02:22:44 PM
Please read this page and decide for your self how much of a cultural impact all the other logos have(link below) you'll see on the left a bunch of questions/statements click on them to see their research facts.

http://www.ecogex.com/bitcoin/


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Xenland on October 21, 2011, 08:22:28 PM
I didn't get it.... :(


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on October 21, 2011, 09:09:26 PM
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR9KgPUGRt0PjM9t3a9xz-ZfFcOt5ByHVjNkwpHLVh64gILQyYGHQ

Witch Bitcoin Symbol


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: bitcoinminer on October 21, 2011, 09:14:54 PM
+1

beat me to it lol...

I love that people don't know how to read or write on the internets.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: cbeast on October 22, 2011, 02:09:38 AM
I didn't get it.... :(

I don't get this thread. Is there ever going to be a consensus on a symbol? Does it even matter?


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Xenland on October 22, 2011, 03:08:01 AM
I didn't get it.... :(

I don't get this thread. Is there ever going to be a consensus on a symbol? Does it even matter?
It really doesn't matter in the end. All sellers/buyers need to know is what currency is accepted and what currency the buyer has and can pay with.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: bitcoinminer on October 27, 2011, 07:08:44 PM
I vote for:

B$


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 27, 2011, 07:23:15 PM
I am going to third B$. That would be too funny.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: RandyFolds on October 27, 2011, 07:31:27 PM

I can't believe this took four pages and three months. It should have been the first response.


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: BitcoinPorn on October 27, 2011, 07:36:17 PM
I am going to third B$. That would be too funny.

I would change all Bitcoin related images I use on any sites to the B$ symbol if enough people are down.  I would like that official too.  No one would have to download any special characters.   Does any other currency use two characters?


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: BitcoinPorn on October 27, 2011, 07:42:49 PM
You know that the reason why it's being suggested is because it's "BS", right?
I would hope so, if not, I am not in!


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Rassah on October 27, 2011, 07:44:42 PM
If we're going with two symbols, anyway, why not B↑ or B↓ depending on your sentiment/opinion? (Bruce would likely use B↑↑↑)


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on October 27, 2011, 07:45:53 PM
If we're going with two symbols, anyway, why not B↑ or B↓ depending on your sentiment/opinion? (Bruce would likely use B↑↑↑)

No, bruce would likely use ฿♂y


Title: Re: Witch Bitcoin Symbol? EVERYONE VOTE AND USE!!!
Post by: RandyFolds on October 27, 2011, 07:53:16 PM
If we're going with two symbols, anyway, why not B↑ or B↓ depending on your sentiment/opinion? (Bruce would likely use B↑↑↑)

No, bruce would likely use ฿♂y

I just burst out laughing. Jesus Christ, you are on fire Matthew.