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I'm a bit confused of the new merit system because I have not received any merits directly for the posts I created but only through posts that I made in this sub forum (anti-spam campaign for example).

I'm not saying the merit system is a bad idea because it was created to fight spammers and shit posters but I feel like something is not working when it's about people that do good posts and try to help out other users.

I have a list of posts (created by me) that I think are of good quality & were helpful to the users but have not received any merits for them.

English forums:

• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2891680.msg29727954#msg29727954
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2770113.msg29460268#msg29460268
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2829299.msg29001108#msg29001108

Romanian forum:

• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2830790.msg29924129#msg29924129
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2735464.msg28397062#msg28397062

Do you think my posts deserve any merits? How can I improve?

Oh good, another post about merit.

1 - You don't get to decide what other people should be spending their merit on. Just because you think your posts are helpful, other people may not feel the same.
2 - Why is everyone so entitled? Everyone thinks it is their right to earn merit. Really you should be contributing because of a passion for crypto. Merit should be seen as a bonus, not a goal.
3 - Complaining isn't going to help.

Most of the people asking for merits seem to be sig spammers. Because of this, asking or begging for merit can give the wrong impression. This can mean that merit awarders may put you on ignore, and it probably won't get you any merit points anyway.

Thank you sir for your education has improved my level of thinking. I was some how confused by then .
It seems to be that we the newbie's are in hurry to receive merit point. And I'm sure we are doing a very big mistake. We need to take our time to learn and understand what we're doing . There's more room for improvement. Thanks

Actually you could not consider or evaluate your own post if it is good or bad. It depends on every user here in the forum to evaluate and to think that your post could be useful or not. Yet, if were going to consider that your post is useful and informative the other member could only seen this and could not give a merit. How are we going to give merits if we don't have any account of smerits to give? Besides smerits is not readily given to anyone. I do not know how to acquire smerits without receiving from the users or members here. Could anyone here can help on how to get smerits without receiving merit? Or could we buy that smerits so that we can commend these and put some merits on some commendable post. For now, we have to keep good post and hopefully it could be seen one day and will be given merits.

1 - Please read my post carefully, not just the title, I am expressing an issue with the current system that is not working for good posts.
2 - I am indeed reading/writing posts because I want to learn more about crypto. The merit system is limiting the features I can use on this forum so, indeed I'm upset I cannot link out my signature to advertise my services on this forum. Wouldn't you be upset?
3 - It's simple to dismiss something rather than trying to find a solution to it, isn't it?

I have seen merit points sent to shit posts like this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2927993.msg30066577#msg30066577) and it is clear the system does not work.
The purpose of merit points is not to make fun or harass other people on this forum but to bring value to it and help the community.


Again, I have not begged for merit, read my post carefully.



That's what I'm trying to do. I'm asking others what do they think about my posts.
Since I'm not receiving any merits I might be doing something wrong.

Indeed, if I'm doing some posts that may help out new users that do not have any sMerits to send I cannot increase my rank.
As you all remember, we all were new users at some point and it was nice for someone to give us an idea on where to direct our search or a possible solution to our problem.

I am directing this question especially to the supporters of the current implementation of the merit system.

This is because in the Romanian subforum nobody gives sMerits. There is a topic there where i explain to people how merit work and that they should not acumulate sMerits because the are wothless to them. There are a lot of good posts there with usefull information that are not merited but i`ve gave up. It`s not up to me... i`ve used all my smerits. It`s up to users to learn and understand the forum rules.

Yes, this is an issue with the fact that a lot of people who start researching this topic start asking info on the local boards first (or at least that's what I did).
So, these members are totally new and do not have any sMerit to send...

Apparently this post deservers 20 merits

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2610748.msg26567634#msg26567634

Were is the justice in this?

you just need to wait it out fella, Merit sources haven't been topped up yet and there are still plenty of shitposters hammering the forums, give it a few months and the people who deserve merits will start getting them. This wasn't an overnight fix it will take time to bed in and results to be seen

From my point of view, your good post might not be what others see as a good post. Post quality definition is somewhat objective and subjective. If you really believe your post is good, then maybe you wanted to try the services offered by some members to review your posts, like what QA did.


As far as I understand, maybe people who sent those merit liked what cryptowatcher posted. What he expressed in his post clearly shows (maybe) a majority of what some members felt about how newbies are asking a question that clearly can be answered on their own effort. I don't agree, there is indeed a decrease of shitposting. On the other hand, this clearly shows how users are interpreting good post differently, you see what cryptowatcher posted as shitposting while those who sent him merits see it as a great post.

I can recommend you some thread where you can post your assumed good post so that other members might review it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896975.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2819141.0

Aaaaand this i believe is the best. This post got 50 merits.
"Yes, yesterday he wrote that he had left 9% of his coin"
If you have time to read it all you can accumulate a lot of knowledge and your life will change forewer.

I also "filed" a complain here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896910.0 but nothing happened to this moment.

Not everybody is going to get merits for every 'good' or 'great' post because not everybody will think it so, or they might just not see it. I have plenty of posts that I consider meritable or merit-worthy but they received none. That's just how it goes. Keep posting and you will gradually get merit for other posts but I don't think people should be bringing them up every time just because nobody gave them merit.

If it were possible I would give de-merit to merit beggars. But de-merit is problematic, since scammers and shills would abuse it to lower the merit of people making sense...

Yes, I agree it's somewhat subjective but I do not agree shit posts (making fun, harassing users instead of helping them out) should be merited.
Users that do not care to help others can leave the forum - this is the purpose of it.

From the rules posted when the merit system was created it is was clearly stated that:
Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0

Thanks for the suggestions I will ask them for a review.

If you really want merits. Ask for a review.
Ask for a review from anyone above*,if you really think that your posts are worthy enough.

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*Credit: krishnaverma (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1341921)
PS,apologies for making some changes to your formatting krishnaverma (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1341921).

I understand that but the system isn't working as it supposed to for good posts. That's what I'm trying to highlight.

Instead, I have seen an increase in merit points sent out to shit posters (see my post above) which I don't think is what the merit system was created for.

1 - I have no interest in which coins you are mining or how you are doing it, therefore, to me, those are not good or useful posts. They may well be to others. Merit is subjective, which was my original point.
2 - The only thing the merit system limits is people's ability to make money from the forum. If that is your only reason for being here, then the merit system is working.
3 - I completely agree with the post you linked to. I have no issues he was merited for it.

There are some things that do not fit. We all know that there is no perfect system because there will be a gap that can not be seen. One of the things that not all posts can be observed because we all know that a lot of posts and threads are created, even reaching thousands. One of the things that must be done there is an active role to provide a report on a quality system and also not. We must play an active role to be able to give smerit because it can show that the activation we do is right to appreciate someone. If the post is not qualified then we can be silent without giving smerit. Maybe it's the most rational choice and the easiest we can do right now.

I'm not personally going to go through your posts, but I can say that the merit-giving might be a little lopsided, being given out in sections that aren't infested with shitposters (like economics and bitcoin discussion).  I dont think anyone reads posts in those sections.  I think I've given most of my merits out in meta or reputation, and those sections are ones that noobs only here to earn money tend to avoid.  But I'm giving merit and I've seen a lot of users giving it out as well. 

This isn't supposed to be quick and easy.

Ok, I respect that.

Then the issue here is that some categories may not have enough merit sources or at least we need to wait some time until everything levels out.

Actually all of us have high possibility to earn and gain merits, but it depends to us if how our how many people are attracted to our quality of post. Sometimes they were need to give suggestions and opinions or else they were need to make creative post to gain high amount of merits from the other users.

I think if you post to a thread who already have lots of reply chances for you to earn merits even if you have a good post quality is unlikely to achieve since people may think your post will no longer contribute to the topic. If you really want to get rewarded choose a good topic which you can give good contributions with, surely readers will appreciate that and you'll receive the merit you deserve.

I understand your side but we cannot force people to give some merit. There's a lot of good post out here in forum yet no one gives merit, but don't rush thing cause time will come and everyone's good post here will be appreciated, just relax and enjoy on learning more here on forum.

Interesting idea, maybe the merit sources can have control on the de-merit, since they can distribute and monitor the post quality. They are selected to take this responsibility. The perception of quality posts can differ between the different sources, but they can de-merit the ones abusing the system.
Well I guess this has been discussed before.

It's interesting you got 3 merits for this post and I still don't get what you want to say in it...

Good for you buddy :)

Exactly! majority of people who give merits don't focused on post seen in bitcoin discussion and economics, I've notice post in gambling section and altcoin are much appreciated, so if we really want to earn merits better invest in learning crypto currencies and its market so we can establish a good post or idea in different topics from this forum.

Since people here in the forum are from different countries and places, people have different ideas or thinking about somethings so maybe there are some posts that you think are good and useful but to others it is not that's why they will just ignore it. And maybe people haven't read your post since there are lots of posts in the forum that's why no merits are given to it even the post deserve to have merits.

We are posting with the best of our knowledge and idea, but maybe the legendary may not impress or not agree with our idea,and maybe that's the reason why they hesitate to give their merits to us.I suggest just keep on posting.

I like your numbering thing, will continue to use it :D

1 - Yes, I agree, only the users who find it useful should send merits. BUT sometimes there are a lot of questions - regarding mining for example - so, to avoid them I have created a thread where I answer all the future questions and offer a guide on how to do it. Maybe some users find it useful that there will be no more questions about it since that information is grouped in a thread which they can find by searching (if they search...of course).
2 - Yeah...definitely... We're not here to do investments in cryptocurrency thus trying to make a profit, we're here just for the fun :)) (I'm being sarcastic)
3 - Well.... it's the first thing we agreed on at least for half of it because I do have a problem he was merited for it. Fortunately, this will change when the merit sources kick in and nobody will have sMerit to spare an things like this.

For OP, just take it easy, maybe your post is not recognized yet by people, and some people maybe doesnt feel it as a great post.
For OP to compare, please see my thread about QuestionAuthority (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2947171.msg30272338#msg30272338) and look how much work i put into my thread making a statistics of merit activity and see how many merit i got and ask yourself do my post is merited enough? Im just applying your way OP, just want to show that kind of feeling will always be there even though you got merit for your post later. We need to calm down and keep working a great work.

I don't mind this system as a rule to fight against spammers, "bad posting" or alt accounts. My opinion is that the problem is really not enough people who can give merit. I mean this is a very active forum, there are lots of new posts in each subsection every hour. There is just not enough people to read them all, judge and give merit. One way to deal with this issue is to assign special "merit" administrators to each subsection and develop a guideline for them to give merit to everyone who deserves it. In general, it should not be "extremely difficult or next to impossible" to get merit. You should be able to gain merit from good post writing, but it does not mean that your post should be "close to genius" or "Pulitzer prize-winning" for you to gain 10 merit and up your rank. Personally, this is what I feel right now as a new-comer to this forum. 40+ "average to good" posts have not yielded me a single merit. It's not my goal of course, I enjoy writing, helping people and educating them about the crypto-world. It's just very sad that I realize someone like me can write 500 + posts and not get a single merit because...well because nobody who can give merit looked.

the same experience in getting merit dev. I've been trying to make a nice and useful post but still do not get too.
send regards for success

Yes, indeed it's not enough for the quality and time put into it. At least you received some merits for it, mine did not get any directly.

I've merited your post because this kind of posts deserve to be merited not the quick posts you see above.

Being a good speaker doesn't mean you deserve a Merit. This guy/girl deserves a merit since he/she is saying something that is great that maybe so great he can't put it into words. Well, you don't need to pay attention to your merit but to your posts that you need to post to gain some merits.

I think it is possible to happen, because it depends on the reader on how they were impress to a certain post and for them to give merits on it. Even how good it is, so let us be aware to come up a good with a quality post for us to gain merits surely.

I can see that now you have got merits for these posts. Also, I am impressed with the quality of the posts you are making ere and I think you will easily rank up with such attitude. You may consider closing this thread as the purpose of opening it is solved.

merit (as i know) as same as 'Like' on social media platform, different between it is merit use for rank uo in this forum. quality post not give you big chance for getting merit from other user from altcoins board. but, big chance for farming merit is on meta board and bitcoin board. why i say like that? altcoin board (in my opinion) focus on investment place.

That is why i told you to chill out and be patience. I know it is not easy to earn merits but it is not an impossible task too. I have read some of your posts and i can say that you have a quality in there, and you made a good and well thought posts, and some posts are from your own experience which cannot be achieved from reading or watching and you are willing to share that experience, it is a kind of a good gesture for forum in my opinion. Give it time mate, and i bet you will rank up just fine when the activity kicks in.

Not because you think you're post is good enough other users would use their merit to credit your post. Everyone is entitled to give their merit to whom they want it to give. Just continue to contribute to the community with your knowledge on crypto and aim for the goodness and success of this forum, don't be to focused on gaining merit although it's important for you to rank up but it will come and someone for sure will find your post worthy of merit, just continue the good work.

"Farming merit " ? Choose your worlds wisely. This might confuse new members. I think you were suggesting that there are more chnaces of getting merits on posts made in meta section.

My take on this:

Think about Quality, Helping, and Contributing and neglect Merits.

Don't find merit, merit will find you ;)

That's exactly what I did until now but did not receive any merits directly, only when posting in review threads or in this sub-forum. Please check my posts.

Can confirm.

I just want to speak out, What are the criteria's of having quality post in the forum, as i observed many participant are aiming to be merited because they see their post are worthy enough to acquire points but nobody cares. Somebody could elaborate us clearly how to judge posts? I've  seen a lot of quality post in the thread but nobody extend free merits..

I also see a thread that give some merits, you have to do is to provide your link so they can see your good quality post. This is an easy way for them to find out and see our good quality post. Do not be envious to other who have a lot of merit but try to make a good quality post and acceptable topic. There are also chances with similar post, so we do not receive merit, it's best to read before posting.

I have my own good quality post that I think that it deserve merit, but the reality is I don't get that merit. Then I realized that might not everyone thinks that it was good or they just do not want to spend their merit. But I do not want to focus on merit, I am here to learn about crypto, so let merit come to me someday.

What would you say if everybody had to pay to post if they are wearing any signature and only those with the most received merits could have signature and post for free? lowlife illiterate beggars are still here, they are sliding some merits through to rank up their alts. you will eventually see that the only way is to charge fees.
There are many inactive accounts, they could still join bounties, if you charge $0.1 per post, they will stop, because they have no money, they are joining bounties to get paid in the future, asking them for money now would stop them from joining, nobody is stopping me from posting with 10 accounts.

Nope. You neglect the "neglect Merits" part.

I think that merit was invented for better communication about the crypt. Thanks to the system of merits, the forum will come out on top for useful information, this will be an incentive for those who did not want to share useful information. When you write a useful post you do not need to think about rewards. Do it for our community!

I have post also that is quality but i have no merits gain. I think my post is not enough or not so quality.but just post and post that is useful for the forum.

I wanted to respond to this from the view of a merit source.

I may not view the same post that you do as "good".

But probably I just haven't read it.  As an active bitcoin enthusiast (who uses this forum to advance bitcoin) I am very busy in other projects and don't have many hours a day to search and reward posts.  But I do what I can, and I try to use all my sMerit.

Saying that, please don't PM me to look at your posts.  I read the threads that interest me.

If Theymos expected us to merit every worthy post, he would probably pay us a salary, as it's close to a full time job.  :)

Nice point!
Merit beggars seems to fall into traps of sending PMs to ask higher-ranked members to reviews their threads and send them Merits. Those sort of users almost losing their minds. All users joined the forum for their own purposes, own interests first; then if they have time they will help others users, contribute to the forum via their threads, and / or topics, and giving their sMerits away for deserved users with high-quality, constructive threads.
Merit beggars should remember Vod's recommendation and never do this stupid stuff again.

Each of us has their own perspective on deeming a merit worthy posts and the fact that there are a lot of shitposters and spammers still present in the forum despite the actions being made by reputed members of the forum, like banning them permanently, posts that are very helpful/informative get flooded easily by useless posts made by shitposters.

Good post not actually guaranteed to us to get merit, but post need contributing and helping others will help us to get merit also.
I actually try to do posting good quality, contributing and helping others first, and sure merit will come to me.
Every post I try to do the best quality.

There are a number of such threads. After the merit system was launched, I think we had more than 30 such threads each offering at least 10 merit points in the thread. Some offered as much as 50 merit points in single thread for applicants. Note that some of these threads are little harsh in giving merits. In one of the threads, I saw the OP awarding 1 merit each to almost all the applicants. So, after making 30-40 quality posts, if you have still not got any merits, you can try your luck there.

Maybe I am still new but heard a lot of the complaining about merit is probably going to be a challenge for how to make a quality post and finally can get the merit. and maybe that was the purpose of establishing merit in this forum so that no one made a post just what it is anyway.

Locking this thread as a lot of people feel the need to revive a thread started almost 1.5 months ago. Bye.