Good posts not rewarded with merits

[vlad230]

I'm a bit confused of the new merit system because I have not received any merits directly for the posts I created but only through posts that I made in this sub forum (anti-spam campaign for example).

I'm not saying the merit system is a bad idea because it was created to fight spammers and shit posters but I feel like something is not working when it's about people that do good posts and try to help out other users.

I have a list of posts (created by me) that I think are of good quality & were helpful to the users but have not received any merits for them.

English forums:

• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2891680.msg29727954#msg29727954
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2770113.msg29460268#msg29460268
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2829299.msg29001108#msg29001108

Romanian forum:

• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2830790.msg29924129#msg29924129
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2735464.msg28397062#msg28397062

Do you think my posts deserve any merits? How can I improve?

[1714906661]

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[o_e_l_e_o]

Oh good, another post about merit.

1 - You don't get to decide what other people should be spending their merit on. Just because you think your posts are helpful, other people may not feel the same.
2 - Why is everyone so entitled? Everyone thinks it is their right to earn merit. Really you should be contributing because of a passion for crypto. Merit should be seen as a bonus, not a goal.
3 - Complaining isn't going to help.

[Jet Cash]

Most of the people asking for merits seem to be sig spammers. Because of this, asking or begging for merit can give the wrong impression. This can mean that merit awarders may put you on ignore, and it probably won't get you any merit points anyway.

[Kwame Genius]

Oh good, another post about merit.

1 - You don't get to decide what other people should be spending their merit on. Just because you think your posts are helpful, other people may not feel the same.
2 - Why is everyone so entitled? Everyone thinks it is their right to earn merit. Really you should be contributing because of a passion for crypto. Merit should be seen as a bonus, not a goal.
3 - Complaining isn't going to help.

Thank you sir for your education has improved my level of thinking. I was some how confused by then .
It seems to be that we the newbie's are in hurry to receive merit point. And I'm sure we are doing a very big mistake. We need to take our time to learn and understand what we're doing . There's more room for improvement. Thanks

[burakdat]

Actually you could not consider or evaluate your own post if it is good or bad. It depends on every user here in the forum to evaluate and to think that your post could be useful or not. Yet, if were going to consider that your post is useful and informative the other member could only seen this and could not give a merit. How are we going to give merits if we don't have any account of smerits to give? Besides smerits is not readily given to anyone. I do not know how to acquire smerits without receiving from the users or members here. Could anyone here can help on how to get smerits without receiving merit? Or could we buy that smerits so that we can commend these and put some merits on some commendable post. For now, we have to keep good post and hopefully it could be seen one day and will be given merits.

[vlad230]

Oh good, another post about merit.

1 - You don't get to decide what other people should be spending their merit on. Just because you think your posts are helpful, other people may not feel the same.
2 - Why is everyone so entitled? Everyone thinks it is their right to earn merit. Really you should be contributing because of a passion for crypto. Merit should be seen as a bonus, not a goal.
3 - Complaining isn't going to help.

1 - Please read my post carefully, not just the title, I am expressing an issue with the current system that is not working for good posts.
2 - I am indeed reading/writing posts because I want to learn more about crypto. The merit system is limiting the features I can use on this forum so, indeed I'm upset I cannot link out my signature to advertise my services on this forum. Wouldn't you be upset?
3 - It's simple to dismiss something rather than trying to find a solution to it, isn't it?

I have seen merit points sent to shit posts like this one and it is clear the system does not work.
The purpose of merit points is not to make fun or harass other people on this forum but to bring value to it and help the community.

Most of the people asking for merits seem to be sig spammers. Because of this, asking or begging for merit can give the wrong impression. This can mean that merit awarders may put you on ignore, and it probably won't get you any merit points anyway.

Again, I have not begged for merit, read my post carefully.

Actually you could not consider or evaluate your own post if it is good or bad. It depends on every user here in the forum to evaluate and to think that your post could be useful or not. Yet, if were going to consider that your post is useful and informative the other member could only seen this and could not give a merit. How are we going to give merits if we don't have any account of smerits to give? Besides smerits is not readily given to anyone. I do not know how to acquire smerits without receiving from the users or members here. Could anyone here can help on how to get smerits without receiving merit? Or could we buy that smerits so that we can commend these and put some merits on some commendable post. For now, we have to keep good post and hopefully it could be seen one day and will be given merits.

That's what I'm trying to do. I'm asking others what do they think about my posts.
Since I'm not receiving any merits I might be doing something wrong.

Indeed, if I'm doing some posts that may help out new users that do not have any sMerits to send I cannot increase my rank.
As you all remember, we all were new users at some point and it was nice for someone to give us an idea on where to direct our search or a possible solution to our problem.

I am directing this question especially to the supporters of the current implementation of the merit system.

[sparg]

I'm a bit confused of the new merit system because I have not received any merits directly for the posts I created but only through posts that I made in this sub forum (anti-spam campaign for example).

I'm not saying the merit system is a bad idea because it was created to fight spammers and shit posters but I feel like something is not working when it's about people that do good posts and try to help out other users.

I have a list of posts (created by me) that I think are of good quality & were helpful to the users but have not received any merits for them.

English forums:

• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2891680.msg29727954#msg29727954
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2770113.msg29460268#msg29460268
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2829299.msg29001108#msg29001108

Romanian forum:

• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2830790.msg29924129#msg29924129
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2735464.msg28397062#msg28397062

Do you think my posts deserve any merits? How can I improve?

This is because in the Romanian subforum nobody gives sMerits. There is a topic there where i explain to people how merit work and that they should not acumulate sMerits because the are wothless to them. There are a lot of good posts there with usefull information that are not merited but i`ve gave up. It`s not up to me... i`ve used all my smerits. It`s up to users to learn and understand the forum rules.

[vlad230]

This is because in the Romanian subforum nobody gives sMerits. There is a topic there where i explain to people how merit work and that they should not acumulate sMerits because the are wothless to them. There are a lot of good posts there with usefull information that are not merited but i`ve gave up. It`s not up to me... i`ve used all my smerits. It`s up to users to learn and understand the forum rules.

Yes, this is an issue with the fact that a lot of people who start researching this topic start asking info on the local boards first (or at least that's what I did).
So, these members are totally new and do not have any sMerit to send...

[sparg]

Apparently this post deservers 20 merits

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2610748.msg26567634#msg26567634

Were is the justice in this?

[TMAN]

Apparently this post deservers 20 merits

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2610748.msg26567634#msg26567634

Were is the justice in this?

you just need to wait it out fella, Merit sources haven't been topped up yet and there are still plenty of shitposters hammering the forums, give it a few months and the people who deserve merits will start getting them. This wasn't an overnight fix it will take time to bed in and results to be seen

[joniboini]

1 - Please read my post carefully, not just the title, I am expressing an issue with the current system that is not working for good posts.

From my point of view, your good post might not be what others see as a good post. Post quality definition is somewhat objective and subjective. If you really believe your post is good, then maybe you wanted to try the services offered by some members to review your posts, like what QA did.

I have seen merit points sent to shit posts like this one and it is clear the system does not work.

As far as I understand, maybe people who sent those merit liked what cryptowatcher posted. What he expressed in his post clearly shows (maybe) a majority of what some members felt about how newbies are asking a question that clearly can be answered on their own effort. I don't agree, there is indeed a decrease of shitposting. On the other hand, this clearly shows how users are interpreting good post differently, you see what cryptowatcher posted as shitposting while those who sent him merits see it as a great post.

I can recommend you some thread where you can post your assumed good post so that other members might review it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896975.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2819141.0

[sparg]

Apparently this post deservers 20 merits

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2610748.msg26567634#msg26567634

Were is the justice in this?

you just need to wait it out fella, Merit sources haven't been topped up yet and there are still plenty of shitposters hammering the forums, give it a few months and the people who deserve merits will start getting them. This wasn't an overnight fix it will take time to bed in and results to be seen

Aaaaand this i believe is the best. This post got 50 merits.
"Yes, yesterday he wrote that he had left 9% of his coin"
If you have time to read it all you can accumulate a lot of knowledge and your life will change forewer.

I also "filed" a complain here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896910.0 but nothing happened to this moment.

[hilariousetc]

Not everybody is going to get merits for every 'good' or 'great' post because not everybody will think it so, or they might just not see it. I have plenty of posts that I consider meritable or merit-worthy but they received none. That's just how it goes. Keep posting and you will gradually get merit for other posts but I don't think people should be bringing them up every time just because nobody gave them merit.

[Totscha]

If it were possible I would give de-merit to merit beggars. But de-merit is problematic, since scammers and shills would abuse it to lower the merit of people making sense...

[vlad230]

1 - Please read my post carefully, not just the title, I am expressing an issue with the current system that is not working for good posts.

From my point of view, your good post might not be what others see as a good post. Post quality definition is somewhat objective and subjective. If you really believe your post is good, then maybe you wanted to try the services offered by some members to review your posts, like what QA did.

I have seen merit points sent to shit posts like this one and it is clear the system does not work.

As far as I understand, maybe people who sent those merit liked what cryptowatcher posted. What he expressed in his post clearly shows (maybe) a majority of what some members felt about how newbies are asking a question that clearly can be answered on their own effort. I don't agree, there is indeed a decrease of shitposting. On the other hand, this clearly shows how users are interpreting good post differently, you see what cryptowatcher posted as shitposting while those who sent him merits see it as a great post.

I can recommend you some thread where you can post your assumed good post so that other members might review it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896975.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2819141.0

Yes, I agree it's somewhat subjective but I do not agree shit posts (making fun, harassing users instead of helping them out) should be merited.
Users that do not care to help others can leave the forum - this is the purpose of it.

From the rules posted when the merit system was created it is was clearly stated that:

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0

Thanks for the suggestions I will ask them for a review.

[pugman]

If you really want merits. Ask for a review.

I will update here the threads where senior members are helping the new members to earn some merits for quality post.

1) TMAN's Level up challenge.-- UPDATED...

Created on January 26 - will last for a week.
2) Anti-Spam Merit giveaway

Created on January 26 - is open
Thread locked for now.
3)sMerit Post-Review

Created on January 25 - is open
4) Merit System Upgrade

Created on January 26 - is open

Only for Full members, Sr. Members and Hero Members
5) Topic & Post Review (Specific Areas) - sMerit to give
6) Merit giveaway for Jr Members and newbies

This is my own giveaway.

Ask for a review from anyone above*,if you really think that your posts are worthy enough.
*Credit: krishnaverma
PS,apologies for making some changes to your formatting krishnaverma.

[vlad230]

Not everybody is going to get merits for every 'good' or 'great' post because not everybody will think it so, or they might just not see it. I have plenty of posts that I consider meritable or merit-worthy but they received none. That's just how it goes. Keep posting and you will gradually get merit for other posts but I don't think people should be bringing them up every time just because nobody gave them merit.

I understand that but the system isn't working as it supposed to for good posts. That's what I'm trying to highlight.

Instead, I have seen an increase in merit points sent out to shit posters (see my post above) which I don't think is what the merit system was created for.

[o_e_l_e_o]

1 - Please read my post carefully, not just the title, I am expressing an issue with the current system that is not working for good posts.
2 - I am indeed reading/writing posts because I want to learn more about crypto. The merit system is limiting the features I can use on this forum so, indeed I'm upset I cannot link out my signature to advertise my services on this forum. Wouldn't you be upset?
3 - It's simple to dismiss something rather than trying to find a solution to it, isn't it?
I have seen merit points sent to shit posts like this one and it is clear the system does not work.
The purpose of merit points is not to make fun or harass other people on this forum but to bring value to it and help the community.

1 - I have no interest in which coins you are mining or how you are doing it, therefore, to me, those are not good or useful posts. They may well be to others. Merit is subjective, which was my original point.
2 - The only thing the merit system limits is people's ability to make money from the forum. If that is your only reason for being here, then the merit system is working.
3 - I completely agree with the post you linked to. I have no issues he was merited for it.

[gilangIDR]

Not everybody is going to get merits for every 'good' or 'great' post because not everybody will think it so, or they might just not see it. I have plenty of posts that I consider meritable or merit-worthy but they received none. That's just how it goes. Keep posting and you will gradually get merit for other posts but I don't think people should be bringing them up every time just because nobody gave them merit.

I understand that but the system isn't working as it supposed to for good posts. That's what I'm trying to highlight.

Instead, I have seen an increase in merit points sent out to shit posters (see my post above) which I don't think is what the merit system was created for.

There are some things that do not fit. We all know that there is no perfect system because there will be a gap that can not be seen. One of the things that not all posts can be observed because we all know that a lot of posts and threads are created, even reaching thousands. One of the things that must be done there is an active role to provide a report on a quality system and also not. We must play an active role to be able to give smerit because it can show that the activation we do is right to appreciate someone. If the post is not qualified then we can be silent without giving smerit. Maybe it's the most rational choice and the easiest we can do right now.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Do you think my posts deserve any merits? How can I improve?

I'm not personally going to go through your posts, but I can say that the merit-giving might be a little lopsided, being given out in sections that aren't infested with shitposters (like economics and bitcoin discussion).  I dont think anyone reads posts in those sections.  I think I've given most of my merits out in meta or reputation, and those sections are ones that noobs only here to earn money tend to avoid.  But I'm giving merit and I've seen a lot of users giving it out as well. 

This isn't supposed to be quick and easy.