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Title: #1183469 “trugad” trust farming (multiple users)
Post by: nullius on February 25, 2018, 09:08:31 PM
This thread is a fork of a thread which was started by #1183469 “trugad”, then apparently locked by him after things didn’t go his way.  Besides providing a place to continue discussion if warranted, the principal purpose hereof is to discuss appropriate action as for users who sent positive trust feedback to “trugad” upon his own admitted solicitation:

And then another question: how to earn a positive "trust"? I asked my clients to write me a positive opinion, but they do not count.

Pertinent links:

  • Parent thread, currently locked: “I need your advice. Administration is powerless.” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3014024.0)
  • 2018-02-25 03:42:02Z archival snapshot (https://web.archive.org/web/20180225034202/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3014024.0) (immediately after the thread was locked)
  • 2018-02-25 00:57:17Z archival snapshot (https://web.archive.org/web/20180225005717/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3014024.0) (used by me as reference link in negative feedback for “trugad”)
  • Screenshot of “trugad’s” trust page, taken by me at 2018-02-25 01:31:15Z (uploaded by me while preparing this post) (https://web.archive.org/web/20180225200503if_/https://i.imgur.com/4TFrKx1.png) — N.b. that several more positive feedbacks have come in since then.
  • My post quoting my negative trust feedback to “trugad” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3014024.msg31005716#msg31005716).  Contains information with convenience links as for all users who had left him positive feedback as of that time.

Following is a mostly chronological list of users who have left positive feedback for “trugad”—based on the key date of 2018-02-21, when ibminer left “trugad” negative feedback.  Unless otherwise stated, allegation of risked BTC is 0.0 and no reference link is provided.  Almost all the comments are only generic praise.  Comments are quoted only where I have not previously provided documentation (new feedback in the past 16 hours or so).

  • 2018-02-23: #1423659 “George51rus” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1423659)
  • 2018-02-23: #1224024 “ZhyravlikO” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1224024) (Also sent positive feedback to “George51rus”, apparently simultaneous.  Thus, simultaneous trust flowing “ZhyravlikO” → “trugad”, “ZhyravlikO” → “George51rus”, and “George51rus” → “trugad”.  Moreover, “ZhyravlikO” is the only user who had ever before left “trugad” positive feedback, on 2018-01-26.)
  • 2018-02-23: #896783 “sensei stupid” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=896783)
  • 2018-02-23: #1107542 “veranika55” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1107542)
  • 2018-02-23: #1411750 “JohnPain” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1411750)
  • 2018-02-23 (twice!): #1205302, “bivins1” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1205302)  Both allege 2.0 BTC transaction; no reference links (just like most of them).
  • 2018-02-24: #1421907 “MDL Talent Hub” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1421907) Alleges 0.02 BTC transaction and reference link.
  • 2018-02-24: #1707152 “YaNinaMurmansk” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1707152) Alleges 0.66 BTC transaction and reference link.
  • 2018-02-25 (new): #1706912 “heavensuperman” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1706912) Generically alleges reference link to a bounty thread.  No plausible explanation of how they transacted.  No risked BTC alleged.  Comment: “Awesome bounty manager! :) I'm realy trust him.”
  • 2018-02-25 (new): #1712409 “Cardalex” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1712409) Comment: “Very honest and decent bounty manager. Hard-working and studious. I recommend.”  No risked BTC or reference link are alleged.

I will immediately follow up with quotes of negative feedback which I myself have already left.  This provides further documentation, as well as translation of some Russian.  I have only processed a few thus far, since I don’t shoot from the hip; it takes time for me to consider these and write informative comments.

At my exclusive discretion, I reserve the right to publicly post any PMs received by me (0) on the subject of negative trust feedback left by me, and/or (1) in relation to such a public discussion as this one.

This thread is self-moderated to prevent trolling.  I will be fair.  In particular, I wouldn’t want to lose the posts of people who object to their own negative trust feedback; indeed, it may be noted, I tend to archive those.

This post may be edited to add or update information as the thread progresses, and/or to correct typographical errors.


Title: Re: #1183469 “trugad” trust farming (multiple users)
Post by: nullius on February 25, 2018, 09:09:02 PM
#1423659 “George51rus” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1423659)

Date: 2018-02-25
Risked BTC amount: 0.0
Reference: https://web.archive.org/web/20180225034202/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3014024.0

Quote from: nullius
Involved in trust farming.  Confessed spammer #1183469 “trugad” said in referenced thread (q.v.), “how to earn a positive ‘trust’? I asked my clients to write me a positive opinion, but they do not count.”  I checked #1183469’s trust feedback, and found in the pertinent time frame a slew of mostly generic, mostly undocumented feedback left in a patent (but futile) attempt to counteract a DT member’s negative “red trust” tag left for “trugad” on *2018-02-21*.  This includes the following:

#1423659 “George51rus” to #1183469 “trugad”
Date: 2018-02-23
Risked BTC amount: 0.00000000
Reference link: (none)
Comment: “Meнeджep чтo нaдo, eгo бayнти вceгдa тoлкoвыe” (approximate translation: “The manager you need / the right manager, his bounty is always sensible”)

Moreover, on the same day as “George51rus” sent positive feedback to “trugad”, “George51rus” received positive feedback from #1224024 “ZhyravlikO”, who also that day sent positive feedback to “trugad”.  “ZhyravlikO” had previously sent positive feedback to “trugad”, and is the *only* user who had ever done so before ibminer left negative feedback for “trugad”.

At the time of this writing, following are all feedbacks ever sent by #1224024 “ZhyravlikO”:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1224024

#1224024 “ZhyravlikO” to #1423659 “George51rus”:
Date: 2018-02-23
Risked BTC amount: 0.00000000
Reference link: (none)
Comment: “He пoдвeл, дoвepяю” (approximate translation: “Does not let me down, I trust [this person]”)

#1224024 “ZhyravlikO” to #1183469 “trugad”:
Date: 2018-02-23
Risked BTC amount: 0.00000000
Reference link: (none)
Comment: “Responsible, decent, worthy of approval”

#1224024 “ZhyravlikO” to #1183469 “trugad”:
Date: 2018-01-26
Risked BTC amount: 0.00000000
Reference link: (none)
Comment: “Excellent bounty manager!”

“trugad”:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1183469

From “trugad” having admitted soliciting trust, and simultaneous trust flowing “ZhyravlikO” → “trugad”, “ZhyravlikO” → “George51rus”, and “George51rus” → “trugad”, I conclude that “George51rus” is implicated in trust farming.

This feedback is made consistently with my trust feedback policy:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3009256.0



#1224024 “ZhyravlikO” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1224024)

Date: 2018-02-25
Risked BTC amount: 0.0
Reference: https://web.archive.org/web/20180225034202/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3014024.0

Quote from: nullius
Involved in trust farming.  Confessed spammer #1183469 “trugad” said in referenced thread (q.v.), “how to earn a positive ‘trust’? I asked my clients to write me a positive opinion, but they do not count.”  I checked #1183469’s trust feedback, and found in the pertinent time frame a slew of mostly generic, mostly undocumented feedback left in a patent (but futile) attempt to counteract a DT member’s negative “red trust” tag left *2018-02-21*.

Following are feedbacks pertinent to #1224024 “ZhyravlikO”.  Note that at the time of this writing, this includes all trust feedback which “ZhyravlikO” has ever sent.

#1224024 “ZhyravlikO” to #1423659 “George51rus”:
Date: 2018-02-23
Risked BTC amount: 0.00000000
Reference link: (none)
Comment: “He пoдвeл, дoвepяю” (approximate translation: “Does not let me down, I trust [this person]”)

#1224024 “ZhyravlikO” to #1183469 “trugad”:
Date: 2018-02-23
Risked BTC amount: 0.00000000
Reference link: (none)
Comment: “Responsible, decent, worthy of approval”

#1224024 “ZhyravlikO” to #1183469 “trugad”:
Date: 2018-01-26
Risked BTC amount: 0.00000000
Reference link: (none)
Comment: “Excellent bounty manager!”

#1423659 “George51rus” to #1183469 “trugad”
Date: 2018-02-23
Risked BTC amount: 0.00000000
Reference link: (none)
Comment: “Meнeджep чтo нaдo, eгo бayнти вceгдa тoлкoвыe” (approximate translation: “The manager you need / the right manager, his bounty is always sensible”)

“trugad”:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1183469

“George51rus”:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1423659

From “trugad” having admitted soliciting trust, and simultaneous trust flowing “ZhyravlikO” → “trugad”, “ZhyravlikO” → “George51rus”, and “George51rus” → “trugad”, I conclude that “ZhyravlikO” is implicated in trust farming.

This feedback is made consistently with my trust feedback policy:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3009256.0



#896783 “sensei stupid” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=896783)

Date: 2018-02-25
Risked BTC amount: 0.0
Reference: https://web.archive.org/web/20180225034202/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3014024.0

Quote from: nullius
Involved in trust farming.  Confessed spammer #1183469 “trugad” said in referenced thread (q.v.), “how to earn a positive ‘trust’? I asked my clients to write me a positive opinion, but they do not count.”  I checked #1183469’s trust feedback, and found in the pertinent time frame a slew of mostly generic, mostly undocumented feedback left in a patent (but futile) attempt to counteract a DT member’s negative “red trust” tag left *2018-02-21*.  This included the following:

#896783 “sensei stupid” to #1183469 “trugad”:
Date: 2018-02-23
Risked BTC amount: 0.00000000
Comment: “he is a good people and im realy trust him. he so help full”
Reference link: (none)

“trugad”:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1183469

This feedback is made consistently with my trust feedback policy:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3009256.0



I left off there, only because time constraints so necessitated.  I may continue at any time.

At my exclusive discretion, I reserve the right to publicly post any PMs received by me (0) on the subject of negative trust feedback left by me, and/or (1) in relation to such a public discussion as this one.

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