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First of all, please do take note that the sole reason for this post is to “update” others that have been stuck in the same place as I have been in regards to an investment I have made in Monkey Capital last year in the sum of about 25BCH. This is not to speak only “for” Monkey capital, (Factory Banking/Futereum), It is simply a re-checking of facts and the current status of the project. And The naming of various reasons why one should perhaps re-consider.

Let’s start where the project started, the aim of the project at first was something totally different than what the products out there now represent, almost none of the promises that were made in the first 2-3 months into the project were kept, instead, plans got changed all the time, swaps happened, people got left behind occasionally, dumps happened, prices fell, so on so on.  We’ve seen done many times in crypto and it leaves you with a scammy feeling so you run from these devs and their projects. 

I too started having doubts so I have personally left and have not been around or in the project at all, as it seemed to be a never ending ride of getting my hopes up only to get them smashed back down, by the non-execution of things stated by Daniel Harrison.  They simply didn’t deliver as promised and rumors of lawsuits against Daniel was the final straw for me.

However, I personally liked Daniel and his style and his ideas were amazing to me so I have recently gone back and checked on the project (as I am still waiting for the delivery of a few hundred COE in my name, and what I have found does seem like after all the emotional-rollercoaster ride it may end up well for the investors, not because it only sounds promising but as well because there are hard facts and developments that simply can not be denied. This is not about if or if not Daniel Harrison is a good person, or if the accusations that have lots speaking for them as well as against them are true or untrue, this is about the project and if or if not it has solid merit and active development and if it will ever see the light of day, and quite frankly if the team and Daniel Harrison continue like they have been doing or if they deliver on what I think is a coin with a billion+ market-cap potential.  Dan’s ideas can be revolutionary for crypto if the only execute on their ideas and business plan.  I truly believe in the potential of MC tech. 

First of all, there is the main website that has been up for a while: FactoryBanking.com
Some things are not functional and do not work yet, however, the website is up, along with the 2 smartcontracts (products as I call them) Futx and Futr (Futx which is/got listed on cryptopia).
If these 2 Smart contracts have been built and have been put into place, one could safely assume that the COE and MNY smart contracts will also be built and put into place. Which would complete the current set-up and make COE a very valuable asset if FUTR and FUTX work out. And it seems to me like there is a large chance of that happening if one considers all the factors, but mainly POV.

POV (Proof of Value) As they call it is their main invention, now while anyone can practically copy it and implement the POV principle for their own (pow) currency, which may happen, but we all know very well that those that are first will usually do best. (Bitcoin and Ethereum are proof of that).  One can easily see that 99% of all currencies out there currently are basically nothing but a copy of those, and while the Futx and Futr are as well only ERC20 tokens, they apply a mechanism (POV ) that is totally new to the market and will either succeed in taking over or fail. I do not think there is an in-between, it will be either or and in case of success (which is very likely considering the model and the math, value harnessing and functionality) COE (therefore my investment in Monkey capital) will also have been a success. And at the end of the day, one can throw accusations around as long as they want, I myself doubted and have even left as I didn’t think it will result, but if at the end of the day the project succeeds then all the struggle and accusations become irevelant instantly. Why? Simple, Almost each and every project struggles, and has their ups and downs, as well as the changes plans on the go… and while MC was exceptionally good at doing just that, driving some of the investors insane along the way, if at the end of the day (and it has not even been 1 year) the project succeeds in some shape or form, and gives me a +ROI then in my book it was a good investment, and whatever happened along the way simply becomes irrelevant.  Look at all the chaos and accusations around bitcoin and ETH yet who regrets investing in them?  If something has great potential to be revolutionary and great team is put into place then I have always taken the calculated risk and bet big on that coin and it’s team.  And I have been right most of the time thus far.

So before closing this up, if you invested in Monkey Capital and have sent in your COE or MNY for the swaps last year, do yourself the favour and check out the current standing of the project.  Just take a closer look like I just have and you may change your minds. 

Also, Everyone (Absolutely EVERYONE) should also give a listen to the following 2 PODCASTS that are out so far as they well describe exactly why POV could possibly be a groundbreaking thing to crypto.

Episode 1: The Blockchain you Don’t know (With Roger Ver)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsHnlTk6zhI (Don’t forget that Roger Ver isn’t just your average investor, him being on this podcast does speak volumes by itself)

Episode 2: Show me the Value https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJCS-XiOdyM

(Give special attention to the final few minutes of this one). 

Best wishes to everyone and remember to always do your research and always diversify.

I need a Vietnamese translation, thanks  :-* :-*

I will agree with most of the above post.

Sure, not everything worked out as planned, but in what project does that happen? The undeniable and much more important thing here is that even after all the FUD and negativity this project went throu, it is still going, (And not in a invest now kind of way) more in a "Its delivery time" Kind of way. Still plenty of FUD around, but the non-stop delivery of products and news, just cant be denied, Especially since the current model is built on smart contracts...

It is also true that it does not really matter how it works out in the end, whats important is that it DOES work out in the end and that investors are not at a loss, and i just cant see how investors here will be at a loss if they continue the work they have been doing going forward.

I’m personally looking forward to seeing what Dan has to offer. 

Great post, man.  You really did your homework.

And don’t worry, I got angry at Dan and team a few times and ran my mouth and got banned out of chat.  But I still lived their ideas and tech so I really hoped they’d come back to them and that’s lookimg very probable. 

What a thrilling journey it has been so far, however the real fun is yet to begin so I highly suggest everyone should stay tuned!

But now lets take a step back here. I want to sound objective as possible even though I am a big time (and long time) supporter of this project and everything/everyone involved in it. I don't want to talk about the exact amount I have invested but it is in the tens of thousands like many of the people I have had the great pleasure to communicate with.

Before I found Monkey Capital in the end of June 2017 I had just made some very costly investing mistakes prior to that. The usual beginner errors really - did not read the white papers of the coins I bought, did not do proper research and assessment etc., you've all been there surely, if only for a brief period.

One night I was scrolling through Coinmarketcap and happened upon MNY and was very impressed by the daily trading volume which was at its peaks in the millions! (remember, at that time not that many newly listed coins/tokens boasted such numbers). I decided to investigate. I stumbled upon an extremely well written, thorough and captivating white paper which I studied for a good two-three days before I bought my first MNY tokens - I did not want to repeat my previous mistakes. Upon further research I found out that another token which had grabbed my attention previously was related to the project - that token being Coeval (COE). I hadn't been too keen on purchasing it due to its high price but it had definitely made a lasting impression.

Fast forward to now. I've been part of all the highs and lows together with the other investors. There have been big price drops, which most of the time kind of brought some of the community a bit closer but also made some other people feel in despair. There have been price leaps from which many profited. There have been many changes to the original white paper over the months and this is really important in my opinion to understand - every single change has been a step forward, an improvement. Even though I was in agreement with every newly taken approach, I did not have many objections to the alterations - to me that signaled that the creator of the project has the ability to identify that which needs improvement and not risk any setbacks.

I have had the great pleasure to get to know Daniel over the last few months via chats and conversations. I can only say positive things as a result of all of those interesting and meaningful dialogues. My questions have always been answered thoroughly and truthfully and I've always been shown the utmost respect. I honestly think that the amount of negativity towards him is, well, unfounded, considering how much effort he has been putting in. Of course there are people who will disagree with me, which is normal - everyone is encouraged to have their own opinion.

Thank you to the author of the thread for sharing his views and to the other individuals who have posted as well. All that needs to be said about the innovative Proof of Value (POV) has been perfectly distilled in the above posts. I invite everyone to research more into these concepts, keep an open mind, and understand just how groundbreaking this stuff is. Please visit https://factorybanking.com/ and learn more, I am quite sure you will not be disappointed.

I'd like to thank all of the people who have been supportive of this project along with me. It has really been a pleasure to go through the last 7-8 months with you guys. I want to thank Dan for not giving up even a little bit and always enduring the ever increasing (now fading) hate and FUD while still working hard and making sure that he delivers. No one can deny that this kind of tenacity is admirable.

Lets all enjoy being part of something revolutionary together as a community! :) ;)

I want to know the specific functions of each coin. I have one crypto that pays a sort of dividend based on transaction volume of another. Anyone know if this has that? Also what's the end-goal? Is there going to be a crypto exchange? And again, what are the functions of these coins in that case?

The encryption now there are some bad development, some people began to retreat, forget the thoughts and efforts to achieve the goal, we are not afraid of failure, fear is a pure quanqian behavior.

This is particularly insightful! 您是否使用Google Translate应用程序来执行此任务的翻译？ ::)

This deserves a bump! Aside from the staggering volume the last 3 days, this community provides exceptional value!

And I gotta bump this just cause it feels right!   ;D

Another bump! Staggering 24hr volume, this project is obviously changing crypto as we know it!

Cryptopia!

This is added value! Amazing! Just shows that when you haven’t accomplished anything, make a YouTube video with clips of monkeys, that confirms you have still accomplished nothing!


Take notes haters! This is how it’s done!

Ground breaking!

Congratulations All! Another Bump!

I can tell this is really gaining steam now.

I know this may sound aggressive but can we reach $900 today for 24hr volume!?!???

TLDR - “I took out a personal loan because I was fooled by someone who admitted they have bi polar disorder. Instead of learning my lesson I am encouraging more people to follow me into complete financial ruin. But hey what’s it’s matter it’s only money”

Look at the noob trying to string a sentence together.  Brother, you ain’t never gonna get you a lambo if you don’t learn to do a bit of research before you speak.  Over the coming weeks and months you’ll see real development.  Don’t buy but do take notes and enjoy the show.  ;)

I will be awaiting a formal apology when this fade into oblivion

I will be awaiting a new lambo when Dan the Man delivers the goods.  ;)

Did you even read any of the post? or just the title?

You are practically calling Roger Ver an idiot, you do know that?.

There is a very glass clear model/innovation that has been already delivered, things that are new and actually hold value, most always take its time. Said model has very little to do with anything in the past, but much more with the future.

Why people who hold ICO`s and such dont like and agree with the innovation is also glass clear, they will have to deal with much less funding then they got so far, but not less than they need, all this does is delete the people that personally enrich themself instead of working on the product/innovation they promise to deliver.

Time to start writing the formal apology.

As predicted your fearless leader bailed.

Where are those goods you were talking about?

Bailed?  Don’t get so excited, he takes long lunches.  ;)

Are you able to contact Daniel?

A few months ago I sent my COE for a swap to an address he provided in the Monkey Capital chat room, but I never received anything in return, and now that chat room is gone.

It was only 1.9 COE (was 2, but I lost 0.1 in fees moving in/out of Cryptopia), about $200, and I have pretty much written it off.

It amazes me that Daniel is still working on projects. I just saw the latest you mentioned here.

MEW
https://etherscan.io/address/0x235820ae833175459677b88cd818390f77746f07

You people must have Stockholm syndrome or be utterly delusional. You've been scammed, DMH is a scammer, and this is yet another iteration of the same dumb scam that has been going on for months.

If you have any sense left in you, report this to the SEC and hope they'll shut him down for good:

https://www.sec.gov/whistleblower

Hey, a genius.  Dump or buy.  Otherwise get out of the way.

Hey Topham

So i read the contract details - does that mean that all the listed contracts will payout the specified coins into my wallet which i provided at swap? I ask because it said MNY was due to 15 march so either delayed or i misunderstood something?

Thanks!

Yes, most likely we are utterly delusional. Vlad must be aswell, Roger ver also, and the next guy on the podcast (hint, he may just be someone known to the industry) aswell.

It is also most likely that the fact that Futr/Futx can be swapped back for Eth at some time in the future, cause thats what they are mined with, this must also be delusion. Countless developments such as a new office, and the smart contracts that are about to be released on top of those already released, that is also delusion.

It seems to me as if the majority of those who come in here complaining just go on and go on and go on about the past, instead of looking at the project now and being contributive. I admit that there have been numerous deadlines and promises that have not been met, Daniel admits this also, and almost each and every of the finest top notch projects out there admit the same about their project. Sometimes things do not go according to plan and thats just the way it is. It is however undenieable fact that there has been delivery and there still is on continous basis.

Thanks for reading, And now lets pay attention to the current state of the project, look at the deadlines set, the excuses given if they are missed, and judge something that is still ongoing when its done. And saying this is simply the new "scam" is as rediculous as it gets, check your facts.

Can’t wait for COE!!!  BOOM!!!   ;D

I’m not too familiar with hybrid synthetics. 

I thought you were suing him, Vlad? And now you're back shilling his next iteration of this scam? I understand the reason, you want your money back. But you know as well as I do that the only way to get your money back is for a greater fool to get SCREWED as badly as you got screwed.

Whether Daniel set out to be a scammer from the start, or whether he accidentally turned into one because he had no idea what the hell he was doing and was frantically trying to cover his ass with no regard for ethics (how many ponzies begin), the obvious fact is that he is totally unreliable. You will never get any results from that loser. He is truly the biggest loser in crypto. Nothing but lies and empty promises meant to string people along and give them hope that maybe this time it's different.

Take whatever you have left and put it in some real projects. ICX, WAN, BBN (!), TRAC, anything good. Even if you put in $5000 you'll make more from that than from waiting for the world's biggest loser to become something other than a loser.

At best, Monkey Capital was nothing but his own little experiment to try to prove to himself that he was not a total loser and disappointment to everyone. But if he wanted to do that, he shouldn't have done it with our money.

If you think this is going anywhere, you are totally delusional and I feel sorry for you guys. Snap out of it. It's been like 9 months of this.

There is a reason we wont "snap out of it". That reason in specific is that there are still developments going on. Why would anyone in their right mind ditch something that is still under development. I would effectivly work against my own investment by doing that.

5Years is the normal turn around time before a investment ussually fully paid for itself and is generating profits (in the non cyber world). Now a bunch of people who have absolutly no clue  of business come in to each and every project (crypto project) and expect a full return of, and 100`s of % in profit within days, or max a few months. (Crypto People) ... Because thats what they have gotten used to during 2017, because it was "the norm". The fact that MC/FB did not yet deliver a return on investment and is still setting things up (the office) (smart contracts) (websites) and so on, in my view only provides further evidence that the project is (once built) built on solid fundaments.
Reminder, a scam looks like this: Website comes online, people send in their money, websites goes offline, aswell as the devs, as they are doing their next thing.
And not like this: Website and someone with their real name and HUGE credentials come online, create, walk into a trap and use all funds gained from the projects to try and rescue it (buy coe back up), and then just continue and continue on with the project, and trying to turn it into something valuable, coming up with things, putting them into place, getting a new office ready, and starting to work on deals with VERY decently sized partners.

For those that cant see throu that, it probably and most definitly is better you stay away from FutX/FutR, and most likely any other crypto project tbh - as 95% of them truly are pure crap with 0 innovation, which does not happen to be the case here, if you like it or not, FB/MC HAS inovated, and still does so.

And you shilling this shit. Shame on you.

Lets go back a bit:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2010103.msg26647092#msg26647092

https://i.imgur.com/DTmIVOi.png

https://i.imgur.com/ebybDe6.png

I recon you got paid for shilling (as you have some positive trust), or you are just stupid.
Which is it?

I've been with this project since beginning, and all was delivered was promisses NOTHING ELSE. Wake the fuck up.
I've even pushed this project founders to PAY BITCOINTALK BOUNTIES they own. And guess what - the did not pay. Their own community tried to have some dignity and they paid from their own pockets.
So cut the shit about project being developed.


What the founder did after monkey capital failure? - he created FAKE TEAM (because no one wanted to work with him), which he placed on top of money sucking smart contract. AFTER he was found out, he simply connected all shit to monkey capital tokens (which he still holds hostage in his swap wallets) And that your legitimacy.

If there is "smart contract" - it does not give ANY LEGITIMACY to any project. Especially when founder is a SCAMMER.
Project development? Where? Because someone said so and made some primary school level movies on youtube, using some stock clips?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/daniel-harrison-accused-of-30m-crypto-fraud-cn6b0hgrm


Do you know who recently he put in charge of this project?
A "teenager" living at grandads, who want to mine with antminers because he have "free electricity" at grandads place XDDDD

https://i.imgur.com/Uc6ur5w.png

https://i.imgur.com/uclTwRA.jpg

And there is his success story lol

https://i.imgur.com/I6cydQw.png


If you have been with project from beginning, you would know that daniel have habit of "making fake VOL" on exchanges to look them legit before dumping. In some cases it can be used to make some profits (like when COE was listed on cryptopia for first time). He is buying his own tokens. Toham was selling. There is your success story.

And guess whats 24h VOL on cryptopia for last few weeks. See below.

https://i.imgur.com/Zba8cDc.png

0.0005BTC 24h vol.

https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Exchange/?market=FUTX_BTC


Btw - project development - see below. Questions answered by current project leader.

https://i.imgur.com/13u2OwJ.png


Dude.
He scammed his community on milions. He took LOAN from his community which he does not want to pay back (!!!!!!).
He tried to FORCE his community to sign support letter (against lawsuit) in echange for RELEASING THEIR OWN TOKENS!!!!

DO not SHILL this shit.

Bah, eat a fat one. 

I’ve never heard MC or any other crypto use the term “hybrid synthetics”.

You don’t have to make stuff up to make friends, dude.

Nobody pays me to “shill”.  I call them as I see them whether scammers or high potential coins/devs and that’s exactly what I’m doing here.  My track record is ridiculously good so far, ~5 years - at least 80% accurate, with most up 100X.

Finally, I’ll shill whatever I want cause that’s how I do and any profits I make will be cause I put my money where my mouth is.

Now go eat a fat one.  Wait, you already did.    :-*

You better look at your previous posts - screenshots.
This is not 100x.
There is no potential. Which ico would like to use it? Which ico would like to be associated with scammer? LOL wake up.
You actually confirmed that you are shilling a scam. Because you want your money back. LOL. That's great thing to brag about.

You never heard of "hybrid synthetics"?
Do you know why? Because they make stuff up as they go. Reverse FIbonacci my ass.

Maybe you should read the OP where I was pretty clear that I was really angry with Dan because he didn’t deliver as promised.  And like I said, I call it the way I see it and his behavior looked scammy so I let him have it, publicly and in private chat.  I even got banned from their monkey channel. 

But I didn’t sell my Zur, Monkey or COE.  I did sell some pre on some fluke spike but that’s it. 

Nobody gets every pick right everytime.  NOBODY.  You just have to be right more often than you’re wrong and to do so with some regularity.  MC and dan aren’t a sure thing, I made that clear as well, but I like what they’re doing and I like the risk vs the potential reward so I’m putting my money where my mouth is.

That’s the biggest vote of confidence I can give any coin or dev.

Best of luck! 

Every token or coin Daniel touched, falls into oblivion LOL. All of them. You did not sell your stuff because you cant. There are no buyers.

Do you like what "they" are doing? Are you even aware that  this pattern happened before? Big words, and no delivery? Just few months ago.

There is no potential. Only risk. Once burned, you should learn to avoid a person who burned you. Instead we have here some kind of Stockholm syndrome.

Stay away of this "project"

Because they realize that no actual development is going on, just a whole lot of fluff talk from an unhinged person with no ability to fulfil a promise or stick to a business plan. It's not like I invested in Amazon and got angry about their lack of profits on paper (ie. reinvested profit). I invested in a total utter lunatic circus. Daniel lied so many times and made so many unfulfilled announcements that people would forget all but the most recent ones.

Were you there when he created Synthetic Zur and announced that he was going to fraudulently present it as a ZUR feed on Coinmarketcap? Remember he told us that we were going to pump ZUR sky high by buying Synthetic Zur on Waves, because that fake token would manipulate the price of the real Zur coin? It never worked, but a lot of people bought Synthetic ZUR, Daniel got money, and then never mentioned it ever again.

That's just one of dozens of incidents of him lying to and defrauding people, and I doubt anyone even remembered it until I mentioned it. There were just too many stupid scammy ideas like this to count. And I'm supposed to stick around for years waiting for him to build "the world's first trillion dollar corporation"? (That's how he referred to Money Capital on the Goldseek Radio show, by the way). I'm sorry, the guy's a complete fuckup.

I understand the delusion, because I was deluded too. But at some point you have stop living in a dream and actually look at what actions are going to bring you the best results.  Waiting for a reckless maniac with narcissistic personality disorder and no tech background to create a successful tech company is just a total waste of your time. Think about opportunity cost. I won't presume that Daniel's stuff is your only investment, I hope you're in lots of other projects and that Daniel's are a maximum of 10% or something. But focus on the others, this will go nowhere --- and, if I may say so, it will actually be worse than going nowhere, because Daniel is the type of person who leaves a trail of destruction and broken people behind him.

I refuse to be broken, because my woman depends on me being strong. So I got the hell out and rebuilt. Be very careful of that man.

Daniel leaves a trail of destruction? My personal experience is otherwise.
As previously mentioned, i 100% agree that errors have been made. Erros however do not = a scam.
In the end, it can only be one way or the other, and quite obviously if i see sufficient reasoning to believe MC/FB will turn out very well for its investors i will simply stick with it until he either drops the project or completes it. To me it currently looks like it will get completed, to each their own. But Calling a project a scam that is in active development is rediculous imo. You can call it so, but that is then nothing but your opinion.

Lol. You must be following different project.
So tell me, what he built, which overturns all project from total failure to successfull?
Where's COE on cryptopia? Where's PRE on hitbtc? How futrx doing on cryptopia?




So, where's people money? Why there is class lawsuit?

lol

I would tell you, if you would then stfu... but i fear that will probably not be the case... you would just keep on coming back with the same thing over and over which pretty much simply translates to: I invested in a project and it currently seems i cant cash out 500%+ after 9 months so i have to keep on wasting endless amounts of my and others time on/in a project i dont even believe in anymore because thats the mature thing to do.
So... why would i bother.

For anyone interested what POV and this project is, and more importantly so (Is becoming) simply Check out factorybanking.com, when everything is said and done and everything is in place, the amount of credibility and innovation backing this project will be removing any doubt. For those that have those.

LOL dude.

We all have been there. Its not first time things are said and nothing is done.

LOL.

Get facts right, what was done, what happened, NOT what you think will happen LOL.

I’ll give you that, it’s been a huge circle jerk but I just love Dan’s grand ideas and their originality and I’m hoping he’s got too much to lose to not be honest and do his best to make things work.  He definitely has the talent, brains, connections and money so if he fails to deliver then he’s simply insane.  Possible but not probable.  I’m taking these odds to LamboLand. 

So very first post on the forum..  Usually lurk around soaking up knowledge etc, never wanted or needed to post..  But couldn't past the opportunity to try and figure if this project still has a heartbeat..   Still hold a shit ton of COE...    Yep, this salty ass newb bought in at its peak cost (around $1,700-2,000 a piece maybe higher, ouch) on waves dex.... I liked the idea, so i bought in..  obviously what happened next felt not so happy in my crypto wallet which became zero fast (its a big boy game, I aint mad)..   I've held on to the coin not only cause... well you cant get rid of it but also see that there is a following for there commander and chief Daniel.  I can see he's creating culture and is still pluggin' away..  Don't know his story but got to respect that..   So Daniel, Whats next?   

I put the cry in crypto

You keep reframing the issue as us running away from the project because we are impatient and don't understand that it takes time to build a business. That's not it at all. If Daniel had ever said "Here's my business plan" and then followed it, and we could see that he was making even modest progress, then we would have waited. But what we saw time and time again was Daniel coming up with some hot new idea to get more of our money, and then completely fail to execute on the idea, and then tell us that the original idea is stupid and we are idiots for supporting it (acting like we thought of it and not him), and then banning anyone who criticized him for not doing what he himself decided was an amazing and brilliant new idea. Anyone who has dealt with a person with narcissistic personality disorder will be very familiar with the last point in bold.

All businesses have to overcome obstacles, but when the main obstacle is that the person running the business is destructive and toxic and unable to control his actions or emotions, then there is so little chance of the business succeeding that it makes no logical sense to waste time on it, let alone financial and emotional resources.

Daniel is like the polar opposite of King Midas - everything he touches falls apart. The chances of him changing are almost zero. Monkey Capital was a catastrophic circus, and Factory Banking will be too. This is why I'm not waiting. I have happily waited 8 or 9 months for other projects because I can see that they are genuinely building the underlying business. There's a big difference.

And by the way, the reason I'm popping back in for the first time in 6 months or so is because I don't want more people to buy into such a terrible project and lose their money. I wrote off my money, it's too late for me. But hopefully other people will read this and think twice before investing in Factory Banking. I don't want more people to get screwed.

thanks to that information guys,so what happen now to this project?

Which kind of shows you didnt look into futx/futr? In all honesty, there was more then plenty of stuff that was not executed and i think it makes more sense to look at what there already is, then to say wait more.

When did you last see dan coming up with "new" stuff that requires money/investment? Those last things were Futr/x, those are backed by eth at 85% in the worst case scenario. Thats better then any other project has ever offered, if they fall to 0 ever then thats that.

If you believe a damn thing a serial liar has to say, then maybe you can rely on such guarantees. There is more than enough reason to never believe a single thing Daniel says ever again. That's the thing about fraudulent behavior, lies, and scams. You can't just wake up one day and say "Hey guys, THIS time it's different! THIS time I'm not lying, and THIS time my guarantee is worth a shit." There is such a thing as precedent, and after DOZENS of precedents set by Daniel himself, I really don't care what he says about any new token he puts out. Based on previous behavior, I have every reason to believe that this time will be deceitful and fraudulent just like it was every other time in the past.

So, telling me "this project is actually good" doesn't mean anything to me. What matters is that it is run by a serial con artist who is holding a small group of people by the balls, who will swear by Daniel to the grave because they can't admit to themselves that they got dragged into a crazy man's toy box.

Just so everyone is clear 55Domanins is Dan.

Hi Dan. Your project is still a healing pile of suck. Stick to making YouTube videos, even though a 7 year old could make something better it’s a step up from anything you do in crypto

This is proove of how smart you are. If that is your conclusion then it really does not wonder nore surprise me that you conclude just as quickly and baseless on other things.

It has much less to do with dan and much more with the people who wrote that code. Dan came up with the idea but he did not write the code/smart-contracts. You dont have to believe dan in this very specific case, you have to believe the code. If Futx/r was fraudelent in code, it would have been figured out by now. The only thing that can/could be changed is the receiving address of the fee`s, therefor its a fool-proof method/innovation that does not require any believe in Dan... It is simply my logic and the one of a few others that if that code/smart-contract has been delivered, and the mny/coe smart contracts are set to be released soon, and once they are released, that maybe, just maybe, things will actually start to take form and it has simply been nothing but a a bumpy road. Im not saying which of the 2 is more likely, im just saying there has been some delivery of real products and that therefor it is probable and thinkable that that will cotinue to happen so.

I can say with certainty 55domains isn’t Dan.  I’ve known him for a year. 

That said, I’ve still got faith in Dan, I just wish he’d hurry up.   :D

LOL and what's there?
An iffy smarcode skimming fees?
An angry half dead "community" (whole 30 chatty people), which partly turned to shillers because they want money back?
An ongoing class lawsuit?
A fake team behind everything?

LOL.



And how would you change already deployed Smart Contract? Delegate? Good luck with that

Congratulations on the pump earlier today Dan. You’ve done it again. Master in building a market

According to this document (https://www.silvermillerlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/2018-3-7-DE-28-AMENDED-COMPLAINT.pdf), as of March 7, 2018 Vlad (the guy who started this thread) was still suing Daniel. Yet here he is saying he has faith in Daniel. lol. Monkey Capital is such a ridiculous circus.

My name is Vlad not Vladimir - I am not suing Daniel.  Dumbass.

No offense taken.  :)

ODDIN, son of Bor, what pump does thou speaketh of?

Dude, please don’t tell me it was Zur cause I can actually sell/trade that one. 

I did not understand your post, the project itself was forgotten and now it will resume development? Can I trade these tokens on waveswallet.io?

Proove this to me and i am with you. You cant becuase its simple assumption and totally untrue.

Zurcoin.org?
futrcoin.com?
m0nk3y.com?
All of which are constantly getting changes and updates, especially MC and Futr (currently)
An iffy smartcode skimming fees? please do step forward and explain the "iffy" part, and if you dont understand the "skimming fees" part you clearly have no idea about finance. Nothing is iffy, its very clear, claiming otherwise without prooving such statement is rubish.

Anyways, i am done fighting over who is right and who is wrong. I agree with OP because i happen to believe the fact that 3 months ago everything was at near 0, and now there are pages upon pages, whitepapers, vids, (hardfork episodes), Pov (smart contracts), news site, new office, and still tons and tons that is being worked on, that fact shows clear and constant development, therefor calling the project a scam is nothing more then an opinion, which i personally do not agree with. And telling anyone it is one way or the other is rediculous. Its time that the project comes together, and in the coming few months i will either have been right or wrong, either way, we will clearly know. So there is not reason to keep on saying its good, or its bad. Lets just find the medium where we say: We will see.

Dan domains. Stop posting so often and go make a YouTube video. That’s will surely solve the problem.

It only shows that you do not even follow project.

Fake team was created by daniel on futereum website - now removed.
Pile of fake profiles of hot chicks etc.

He even pretended to be a girl when he wrote about his own project. Another fake.

https://i.imgur.com/xsOzc4B.jpg

And now, some time ago there was a "team" on factorybanking website - see below

https://i.imgur.com/JDvmtRT.png

Can you find it now? LOL

You know NOTHING about this iffy project. You just want to shill this shit.



Lol, do not forget monkey.com ... ops its not there, wonders why. We know why. Do you?
And which updates you talking about? website update saying "in future we do this" "spacex and fibonacci cars" and other shit. lol.

Iffy smartocode? 15% of instant fees, + PENALTY fees etc - iffy enough. Oh forgot most kimportant things, to make it work you need something like $600.000.000 paid in.
Btw hows mining is going, and buying back from exchange, still "discounted ETH?" LOLL!!!!!


LOL its still at "0". news site? where?, new office? LOL!!!
NOTHING is worked on. Try to find leaders of this project. Whooops you cant because no one is listed responsible on any websites.


Its not an opinion. its a FACT.


And guess what - newly appointed CEO = "TopHam" just left.
And guess what - their main youtuber just deleted all his videos about project.

LOL!!!!

Whatever you say. Sadly none of it convinces me, and i tend to have good instincts. Some of what you pointed out is correct, however you also simply disregard tons and tons of things that would speak against you and your clan of haters. What exactly is your goal? Are you happy if Dan actually leaves and stops working on the project? Thus officially making it a fail? As development continues i think you need to start considering the option that that wont happen, and that the project will simply continue on until its a success. And if im wrong, im wrong, so what? I always liked my ods and i still like them, why would i activly work against a project i have my money invested in aslong as its not officially over? Thats some A-class stupidity.

Speaking for myself, I don’t want to see more people get sucked into a lunatic’s scam and have havoc wreaked on their lives. It seriously depresses me to think about how badly some people got screwed by Monkey Capital. Like that pastor guy who invested $100,000, because he’s a mystical person by nature and fell for Daniel’s hack hypnosis techniques, thinking there was “something special in the air” when Daniel spoke. You could see him desperately trying to remain hopeful as he grew more and more concerned with Daniel’s lunatic behaviour and recklessness. The poor guy, he’s just some nice guy who was prone to being manipulated because he thought his emotions were God speaking to him. He got screwed. Sure, he was gullible, as I was, and obviously we didn’t protect ourseves enough, but still - I don’t want to see other naive people get screwed.

And some of the Goldseek listener lost their houses over this lousy sham. Goldseek’s Chris is also a piece of shit who used obvious hypnosis techniques on his listeners, but so did Daniel. And he spoke with utmost confidence about Monkey Capital becoming the world’s first trillion dollar corporation. The entire initial pump of COE came from Goldseek listeners pumping in tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands each. Daniel understood the demographics of Goldseek’s listeners very well and his manipulation was custom tailored to fool them into handing over their wealth. Crypto projects never market themselves specifically to that demographic, only Daniel did because he knew he could manipulate them more easily than other people. Their tendency to believe in conspiracies is a kind of mysticism, making them prone to Daniel’s hypnosis. Make no mistake, Daniel is a purposefully manipulative and deceitful predator.

And Monkey Capital always had FAKE TEAM MEMBERS. Daniel would simply call to talk to someone and if they expressed possible interest in some sort of discussions of partnership, he would put them on his website without them actually being on the team. Or he would recruit people with his his smooth talk and make them a team member but then continue doing everything himself and never even call them. He was just milking them for legitimacy. Once his reputation in the industry became so bad that nobody trusted him as far as they could throw them, he started making his own investors part of the team. But then if they actually tried to do their jobs he would do things like declare them traitors and try to have them ostracized by the community. Daniel has no team. There is only Daniel plus a bunch of placeholder photos on the website.

And apparently nothing has changed in that regard.

Daniel was and is a complete mess of a person and can’t create anything other than a complete mess of a project, and a mess of people’s lives. Stay away, everyone. That means stay away from anything with name
Monkey Capital, M0nk3y, Factory Banking, or his name Daniel M. Harrison.

I have personally been offered a position which i kindly rejected. And never have i been mentioned anywhere on any website, which leads me to believe (rightfully so) that everyone mentioned has also agreed to be mentioned, or do i just happen to be the exception given your theory?.

I am, and neither do i think anyone else is saying, to invest any further into MC, All i am seeing is that developments are still ongoing, why would i conclude before they are over? Daniel is not even offering anything such as "COE" or any other tokens one could buy/invest in currently. THE only product on the market currently is Futx/r which is at its core, an ethereum backed token, for one to say that that is a scam, is the same thing as to state that ethereum is one. They are the same thing, and all you do by buying(mining) the token is store your eth in a smart contract for a certain period of time, getting back more eth than invested if enough people do it, and 15% less if the project does not work out. I would all day long prefer 15% less over 100% less, (the way it is with any other project currently) if it does not work out.

That being said, i am not saying buy this or buy that. I am saying it is much more constructive to watch the developments and see what happens then it is to constantly call it a scam while development is still going on.

..... LOL

https://i.imgur.com/RWHU97a_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

https://i.imgur.com/01MyxI2_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

https://i.imgur.com/kofvrcr_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

Kexus Maximus.

You are not getting 15% less. Eth dropped lots. And its locked in Smart Contract, you cannot take it out :)

For someone who has been with this project since the beginning, you have a very short memory, or you are purposefully being deceitful because you are shilling what's left of the Monkey Capital scam.

Perhaps you forget this list: https://icobench.com/ico/monkey-capital/team

• Stefan Hickmott was never the CFO. He had one phone call with DMH and then was put in the white paper, website, and ICO advertising sites as the CFO to build credibility. Stefan never game permission, never had any kind of agreement written or verbal, and received zero consideration. All he received was mother's quilting business getting dox'ed and griefed by crazy scammed Monkeys.
  
  
• Seth Shapiro is an advisor? You mean the same Seth of which DMH was posting extortion "you screwed my investors, pay us back now or suffer the consequences" Seth?
  
  
• Darshan Vyas said Loud Capital never had any agreement, was not an investor, and the entire SpaceX investmnet was all speculative gobbledygook. But that didn't stop DMH from usurping Darshan and Loud's credibility in the white paper did it?
  
  
• Simon Barry was supposed to build this media empire we kept hearing. It's more like DMH home producing a Youtube video with bad audio and using some default Wordpress template for this website.
  
  
• Sriram Durvasula - who?
  
  
• Sam Chua - Remember in the white paper (https://icobazaar.com/static/02490af8e6f8e9f13bbe9054d3626763/MC_Whitepaper.pdf) where Sam is listed as an independent auditor, when Sam is actually DMH's own personal, paid assistant whom DMH screwed for $50k.
  

See the link above all the other advisors who never did anything except for Josh Hawley who became symbolic CEO and then bailed in a blaze of fire and brimstone, and Peerchemist, the only legitimate person on that list, who bailed as soon as he realized it was a scam and there was no substance there. He even burned his COE rather than sell it to the masses (good show, Mr. Peerchemist) and warned his investor friends who had put in $500k+ in the project to bail. Unfortunately, Peer's friends decided to stay with the cult promises and lost everything.

And you can move beyond just the people misrepresentations and go back over the long history of other misrepresentations. Remember GFL? There was never any agreement, yet that didn't stop DMH from making actual offer for securities options that was never honored. This isn't even COE/MNY/MARS/PRE/WTF/ZUS counterparty guarantee bullshi/COA hostage token ambiguity, this was an actual offer that had zero substance or backing (sounds like grounds for class action lawsuit part deux).

Many, many, many more instances to mention but people can use the search function for that. Just wanted to call you out on the BS assertion "everyone mentioned has also agreed to be mentioned."

"Which leads me to believe".

I can only speak from personal experience. I will call the show to be over when its over, why would i do so before that?
So other people dont invest? There is nothing to invest in right now, other then futx/r, as already mentioned those are essentially backed by eth, so yes, if eth falls then those do aswell in value.... hows that the fault of the currency/concept thou. I stick to the fact that i would much rather see every ICO use the same model instead of the simple ICO method. It is undenieable that NO PROJECT needs 200M or 500M or even just 30M for developments, atleast none that has so far came into existence. Those numbers are rediculous in every sense. Would people look at the concept that has actually been created by Fbanking, and start to insist on the fact that such money is simply not needed to create any of the promises, then that would stop the real scams. You all are in here saying MC/FB is/was a scam, before the show is even over, well what about every single other ICO out there? Raising 30M, 50M 100M? and simply pocketing the money using only a very small % of that to continuously develop so called "new" things that are nothing but a copy of BTC or ETH with some fancy terms on top, with a few exceptions of course, are those not all scams? Those infact are the real scams, and people will realise this when one after the other will start to simply vanish into thin air, and at this point people will wish they had bought a token they could exchange back for 85% the Eth or the BTC they invested.
 As far as i am aware MC canceled the ICO just before it started, while they could have very well held the ICO and also taken in Millions upon Millions from the crypto community.

That's because you're just an investor from the community. The people he listed as team members without their agreement were people whose business reputations he could leverage. Why we would he be that anxious to put a random investor's face on the website?


Because it's a serial scam with continuous new iterations. If you were not in a state of delusion fueled by confirmation bias you would be able to run back over all the previous iterations in your mind and see it. Daniel literally created a CULT so he could string people along indefinitely rather than just commit a one-off scam. It would have been better if he had just vanished after dumping his COE. At least then people would have immediately known he was a scammer and moved on, rather than getting strung along with false hope and open wallets for the next year.

I would love to see Daniel M. Harrison in prison. That is where he belongs. If Martin Shkreli got 7 years Daniel should too.

Updated Notice on Lawsuit Against Monkey Capital ICO and Daniel Harrison


Amended complaint: https://www.silvermillerlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/2018-3-7-DE-28-AMENDED-COMPLAINT.pdf

I'm not sure who knows about it, but one of the plaintiffs in this lawsuit took his own life back around Christmas time. From what I understand, he had invested in Monkey Capital not just with his own money but also on behalf of some family members. His name is still listed as a plaintiff despite not being here anymore.

This is by far the worst result of Daniel M. Harrison's scam.

Hello i had buy premine pre in hitbtc but this was delisted }. I spend 0.32 btc, when I can recover my money for real I feel cheated, the project is still alive, I am very confused please help. We need serious and responsible people

Your money is gone dude

Your money is gone. It's an exit scam but disguised as "trying to make it work."

If you purchased any Monkey Capital tokens on Waves DEX or PRE on Hitbtc, it's all gone.

If you purchased COE via an OTC deal direct from DMH, you need a lawyer - like this lawsuit here (https://www.silvermillerlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/2018-3-7-DE-28-AMENDED-COMPLAINT.pdf). Note: notifying the SEC and CFTC in the US might help accelerate criminal prosecution.

If you sent PRE "premine" in for redemption, no one ever received anything despite the public offer.

If you purchased Golden Fleece (GFL) and sent it in for the options offer, you will get nothing other than GFL's prior generous distribution of 1:1. People who overpaid for GFL options on Waves Dex thinking they'd get a huge options multiplier got screwed.

If you loaned DMH money personally through PLC, you won't get your money back. You might have been able to cash out on some early PRE distribution on Hitbtc, but that was a small window when DMH was pumping PRE.

If you purchased ZUS (Zur Waves) which was minted infinitely to 300+ billion tokens on the premise that you'd get some counterparty guarantee to Zur or some other form of buyback/token swap, you are sadly mistaken. DMH was minting money with zero intention of doing anything with ZUS.

If you hold MNY, MARS, PVT or any other Waves token from Monkey Capital, and sent it in for token swap or "buyback" you will never receive new tokens. DMH doesn't have the money to pay for gas to distribute the new tokens. It's worthless. Period. Full stop.

If you purchased COA because DMH threatened that your COE would be held hostage (after you already sent COE in for token swap/buyback), that was a stupidity tax. Sorry.

If you have hope that something will come out of FUTX/FUTR, you are living in a fantasy world. DMH and Craig bailed on the project and handed it over to their lone remaining cult follower, The Topham, who mines crypto in this grandfather's basement at a net loss because he receives "free electricity" (i.e. his grandfather pays more for electricity than he makes in crypto mining). Oh, he also bailed, because when people asked him what his vision was as CEO of the project, he didn't know. Apparently, "rainbows and unicorns" wasn't a good enough answer for Monkey bag holders.

If you doubt any of this, remember, there is a long history of people leaving the project. Peerchmist bailed. Josh Hawley the CEO/COO bailed and was vilified. Carl, husband to a hacker extraordinaire who always gets her revenge, bailed. Jason Coombs, who took six months to see perform basic Monkey math (i.e. anything multiplied by zero is still zero), bailed. Eric Gould aka Bear, the chairman of the board was never actually made an officer despite the public claims by DMH, was fired or bailed or something. Monkey was in arrears on payment for the domain and it was easier for DMH to go l33t speak than run a legitimate business on monkey.com. Justen Bontekoe the first community manager bailed. Hero aka Jeff Heberling, the second and community manager, committed suicide (http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/triblive-times-express/obituary.aspx?n=jeffrey-k-heberling&pid=187700388&fhid=9723) (rest his soul).

Yet despite all this, if you still believe in rainbows, unicorns and factory banking, you can join the daily trading volume of 0.019 BTC of FUTX here: https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Exchange/?market=FUTX_BTC. Monkey bag holders will be grateful for your donation.

The logic makes no sense. Daniel if he were a "scammer" would have been much better of to vanish incase he actually was the person who dumped coe "hint: he was not", and to then just do hes next thing. Why would anyone scamming people just continue on and on with the same thing, pulling in less and less money, to the point where it is now and has been for quite some time where he makes next to no money. Yet he continuous on and on with the project, if daniel was a scammer he would have long left and done the next thing. Like every scammer has done in history so far. He would have also not canceled the ICO, if stealing money was the objective.
There are half a million things he would not have done or would have done differently if he was a scammer.

But as said, to each their own. At the end of the day, i am aswell as anyone else is, entitled to my own opinion.

I and so do a few others, choose to wait and see. It is clear at this point that no one will invest any new money unless some real developments/partnerships do actually come to light. I personally feel/see that developments keep on going, so personally i will wait until the result is crystal clear. You treat MC as thou what you are saying is the only truth/fact.... It Is not. There are many different view points and many different opinions. And development is still ongoing, therefor it is only reasonable to wait and see if it will result.

Monkey bag holders? All fut/x will be swapable for eth. it has nothing to do with "bag" holding, unless you are saying that holding eth is "bag holding".

Stating one wont get "their money back" for PLC, is assumption.
Why does one need a lawyer if they purchased COE otc? to create another just as useless lawsuite that holds no ground what so ever?
GFL? really? those guys are the very definition of a failure, look at where they are at with the project. Nothing, yet Dan again is supposed to be at fault? GFL is worthless and thats because they arnt getting anything done. If you are looking for a scam, look no further, you just found one. (and even here i admit that i dont know what the future brings, but the project does certainly look more dead than alive to me, so does the money people invested)
The tokens sent in for the buyback wont get delivered? Now that is some new information i certainly did not hear before. Oh wait, its also not a fact its just assumption.

I think Daniel completely disappearing from every forum from twitter, from the project, from telegram and just hiddig behing fake accounts to try and shill this rubbish should tell everyone what they need to know. If anyone is in any doubts literally stay away.

Lol, youre expecting LOGIC from person with psychical issues

LOL!  Wake up :)

55domains, your continued delusion incredible to see. Is another user handle of yours elliotness? Whether it is or not, you remind me of him: the truth is right in front of your eyes and you seem to be aware of it, but you are unwilling to accept it because part of your identity is an absolute refusal to give up or quit something you’ve started. That’s a characteristic that has probably served you well for most of your life. It will not serve you well when you are waiting for a scammer to come up with a viable business. And Daniel is absolutely a scammer, whether he set out to be one or just fell into being one because he’s completely inept.

Your dismissal of criticism over the failure to carry out the multiplier swap is ridiculous. GFL did not
fail to execute the swap, Daniel did. Daniel is 100% at fault for promising that to investors and not delivering. Whether GFL is a good investment is besides the point. The point is that it’s yet another example of Daniel scamming us.

 Wake up from your trance.

That is not a handle of mine.

I am definitly not aware of your proposed truth. How is it that if or if not GFL is a good investment or not is not the point? GFL just as MC has not resulted, and so have hundreds of other projects that are ungoing not yet completed their promises. Fact is: Developments have been made and are currently still being made.
If your response to that is that i am just blind then i must ask, are you? How come that i am supposed to just disregard the fact that MC/FB is still being developed?
It has so far not resulted in something, i can go and find you tons of project who have also not yet resulted, but are still going on.
It may or may not be a scam, i am not claiming one or the other. What i definitl am claiming is that there is constant development still going on, and that i personally prefer to wait and see outcome of a given project/investment before concluding one thing or the other.

 ::)  Lord almighty.  ::)

jsmithuk mentioned the GFL multipliers as an example of how Daniel M. Harrison deceived us and failed to deliver. That was the point. Your response to that was:

GFL? really? those guys are the very definition of a failure, look at where they are at with the project. Nothing, yet Dan again is supposed to be at fault? GFL is worthless and thats because they arnt getting anything done.


That is a complete deflection. Daniel is at fault for failing to deliver the multiplier, absolutely he is the one at fault for that. Nobody said Daniel was at fault for where GFL is at with their project. That has nothing to do with the multiplier. Daniel deceived us and failed to deliver. Daniel deceived us and failed to deliver. Daniel deceived us and failed to deliver. That is the point, and the fact that you are deflecting your own attention away from that pattern and focusing on irrelevant information like GFL's performance, is probably the reason why you still think there's hope for this "project" while most of us don't. Look at that list that jsmithuk posted and notice the pattern.

So they say. But time and time again they have deceived us and failed to deliver.


Because time and time again they have deceived us and failed to deliver. Countless plans and projects have been introduced under the Monkey Capital banner, that then turned out to be obvious deceptions. If they want us to trust that their "development" is legitimate this time, they can pay us back for all the money we put into previous deceptions which evaporated into thin air.


That is completely irrelevant. What matters to this project is the pattern of precedents set: time and time again, Daniel M. Harrison has deceived us and failed to deliver.

It is.


You are too trusting of people who time and time again have deceived us and failed to deliver.




The project/investment is finished. When they deceived us and failed to deliver on their original plans, the project was finished, and what they are doing now bears no resemblance to what people originally invested in. Maybe you invested in each additional scam Daniel introduced, so it feels like the project is a continuation of the first one. But it's not. This whole thing has been a series of short term scams introduced one after another. He created a cult of people he can repeatedly deceive.

So ask yourself, are people like me just too impatient to wait for a promising reputable project to complete its development? Or are we noticing the pattern of deception and failure to deliver on many many plans and promises over an extended period of time?


And with that, I'm done with this topic. I think I've done my part to warn new investors to stay away from Monkey Capital, M0NK3Y, Factory Banking and anything associated with Daniel M. Harrison. To the people already in too deep, just get out of this joke of a "project". The market is low right now and might be that way for a while, so you can dollar-cost average your way into some projects that have actually potentially and ride them up during the next run.

Later.

So youre back LOL - that was quick, not CEO anymore?
Youre just blinded fool top.

Just getting started?

Where are MNY tokens? 15 march was deadline was it?
Where is COE? 31 march was deadline?
Where is great youtuber Cooper?
Who is the Boss now?

Etc

Thanks for you input. I hope at the very least that if progress continuess and new real partnerships and developments are made, that you wont stay stubborn and keep on fudding till the very end. (such as the previous 2 smart contracts - which clearly are DEVELOPMENT)

The time will come where COE/MNY get delivered, then the project will move on and keep on delivering, maybe a few changes in the plan will still be made (and it will not be executed exactly as stated on factorybanking.com right now)
But is that not natural? i have my own ideas/plans in regards for crypto aswell, and i have spent most of the past 1-2 years to figure out how to do it in such a way that the plan just keeps on getting executed with no downtime/changes what so ever... but even i after 2 years (and let me mention here that decently big names are already involved) must admit that it is not as easy as it seems. You walk into laws that change the whole thing you didnt think of, you walk into resistance you didnt expect, and you walk into unexpected cost. (and allot more). Thats the nature of every project/plan.

Accusing Daniel of being a scammer for simply not executing the same way as promised, and changing the plan over time, to me seems like and early conclusion. Thats nothing but the natural course, how many projects can you name that are not having their downs and plan changes? Some more then others, and execution by daniel has 100% not been the best out there, infact, i agree that it has been poor in many cases, however Aslong as Daniel is around (and he is) and keeps on developing (and he is - Even if some developments are probably not official yet) = he is still going on with the project and trying to make it a success.
No one with the intention of scamming would do that, ever. Therefor I will wait, and therefor i hope if more developments come in that people dont stay stubborn the way they are now, and actually look at the developments. That i believe to be the purpose of this post, to officially monitor new developments.

saludos sabe alguien si entregaran los PRX a cambio de los PRE??? ayuda porfavor

No.

Nothing was delivered, project seems finally dead.

You were scammed.

I read it the information above in this project,it looks like a comprehensive one,and i want to follow it and might investing it a little  soon

Project is alive and well, just because dan is working on stuff and stopped updating people who anyways do nothing but complain - it dosnt mean its dead, it means you arnt getting updates.

And it means no monkey lambo for him.   ;D

LOL you liar.

Remind me, what were march deadlines?

Daniel Harrison Daily Activity Log:

8am - Wake up and read telegram channels and bitcointalk
8:30am - post on one of 37 different alias pretending to be project supporter
9:00am - stimulants  and coffee
10:am - post one one of 37 alias again
10:30am - contemplates bringing something of value to project
12:00pm - never brought anything of value so does more stimulants
2:00pm - creates another fake deadline for project
3:00pm - makes a YouTube video
4:00pm - figures out how to get back into Singapore without being arrested
6:00pm - stimulants
9:00pm - calls someone a dumb cunt
10:30pm - writes an article using only abstract verbs/adjectives that has no substance
11:00pm - realizes he accomplished nothing again, contemplates impending lawsuit
11:30pm - stimulants until 4am

Hahaha, I got such a huge laugh out of that.  Even my 9 year old read the whole thing. 

2 merit points for creativity. 

But seriously, CUCK, you’re gonna see me driving a Monkey Lambo soon. 

xoxo,

Dan’s sock puppet #7.   :-*  [That’s a good number].

From 7/7/19, the day COE was sold. Here they are - the actual transcripts of the COE introduction! Decide for yourself now if anyone was pushed into this and not properly warned:

DANIEL: “Since you ask ... You can buy coeval off waves \/ these are discounted tokens (put in coeval\/btc) and then sell the coeval for MNY on the day. Don't tell anyone I told you this but this gets you 5x the number of tokens (look at the description of the coeval token and you'll see what I mean) "I actually did NOT mean to put this in the general chat room! LOL. Oh well we may as well leave it here now. But we don't bring it up again. “

INVESTOR: ”So if bitcoin is set to go 15x in the next 3 years as per the article you linked, why shouldn't I just hold my btc? Do you see the monkey token appreciating much more than 15x in value over the same timeframe?

DANIEL: "It's a great question and I think there is a great argument for holding. MNY will likely go higher in that period IF WE GET IT ALL RIGHT but with BTC you don't have that IF. So while I suggest that MNY is worth the risk (or I wouldn't be doing it in the first place), frankly it will a) increase so much you don't need to invest much and b) you shouldn't diversify away from BTC like that in that quantity anyway in my view. Just fractionally.",

INVESTOR 2: What is COEVAL?

DANIEL: OK I may as well explain what COEVAL is as there are a ton of questions about this. First of all, COEVAL are not sold by us; they are more like options that belong to various people in the project (I say they are LIKE that. They actually belong to some people in the project and some other people who when we made them we let have 5 COEVAL here and there just to see how this whole thing played out. Like I say, we are innovating with this market; we are doing things no one has done in crowdfunding EVER BEFORE. Now THAT is something I am proud of, yes.) They let the holder convert at a discount. There's 100,000 COEVAL in total, which means there is 1 COEVAL for every 1000 MNY, plus the 80% discount (which is to say 5-for-1). Therefore, 1 COEVAL has a price of 5000 MNY. Now, if the COEVAL you buy is 0.2 BTC, that means you paid about $500 or so for it. So, that would mean that we'd have to raise $10m for the COEVAL to have real value. Like I say, in effect this is a call option. I haven't encouraged people to go out buying up COEVAL for 2 reasons: there is mathematically complex issues in the price calculation of COEVAL-MNY and also it belongs to individuals, but if individuals who hold COEVAL wish to trade COEVAL that's their choice. For disclosure purposes, I own approximately 5,000 COEVAL but I will not sell any of the COEVAL I personally own for a minimum of 3 years as per the agreement in the WP regarding Management sale of MNY etc. COEVAL are tradable at the 80% discount on any ICO carried out by Monkey Capital now or in the future too.

I hope that answers all the questions I have had flood my inbox on the functionality of COEVAL. As to what price COEVAL are worth buying at, hmmm ... I am not gonna answer that. If 0.2 BTC \/ COEVAL is $10m raised, then that just means you gotta guess how much we are gonna raise and buy below the price we are gonna raise at. Why did we create COEVAL? OK here is why: I love mathematical complexity and wanted to make the whole crowdfunding process a bit more fun and it's also part of the whole evolution of the product process we figured that could catch on. If you think about it, just as options price in the likelihood that a particular event will or will not happen, so do COEVAL price in confidence in the raise. It's probably one of the cooler innovations we came up with in that sense and I should probably be making an even bigger fuss about it. But as the ICO process began to get underway, I thought it was just one thing too many to discuss. Well, I mentioned it by accident in Slack last night (I thought it was a private chat I was on) and now I have had a zillion private questions about it, so ... reap what you sew I guess. That's how COEVAL work anyway.,

INVESTOR 3: When will COE be green ticked by Waves as an official asset?

DANIEL: I have not discussed it with the guys with respect to COEVAL and very much doubt I will bother as I am not sure I necessarily think it's a good idea to have them Green Ticked. Are you a gambler? Can you price events for killer profits? If yes and yes, try it. If no: steer clear of these kittens!

INVESTOR 2: How do we know what price is a good price for COE?

DANIEL: It's fucking hard to price. A bit like buying BTC in 2011. It's a risk. Worth it? Well, funnily enough, I think long term these COEVAL could be crazy crazy. But. Who knows. I would not suggest trading them. I would actually suggest doing what I am going to do and hang on to them. Hang on to tiiiiny bits maybe if you are tempted to buy them I guess.

INVESTOR 4: COEVAL is $4 - so should I buy it here?

DANIEL: … right NOW IF you can find COEVAL for sale at where it's been trading I guess it's very a good bet. But I don't know how long that statement holds true for.

Full story here: https://medium.com/@dmhco/ico-litigation-whats-legal-about-it-2db59c8d2b73

From 7/7/19, the day COE was sold. Here they are - the actual transcripts of the COE introduction! Decide for yourself now if anyone was pushed into this and not properly warned:

DANIEL: “Since you ask ... You can buy coeval off waves \/ these are discounted tokens (put in coeval\/btc) and then sell the coeval for MNY on the day. Don't tell anyone I told you this but this gets you 5x the number of tokens (look at the description of the coeval token and you'll see what I mean) "I actually did NOT mean to put this in the general chat room! LOL. Oh well we may as well leave it here now. But we don't bring it up again. “

INVESTOR: ”So if bitcoin is set to go 15x in the next 3 years as per the article you linked, why shouldn't I just hold my btc? Do you see the monkey token appreciating much more than 15x in value over the same timeframe?

DANIEL: "It's a great question and I think there is a great argument for holding. MNY will likely go higher in that period IF WE GET IT ALL RIGHT but with BTC you don't have that IF. So while I suggest that MNY is worth the risk (or I wouldn't be doing it in the first place), frankly it will a) increase so much you don't need to invest much and b) you shouldn't diversify away from BTC like that in that quantity anyway in my view. Just fractionally.",

INVESTOR 2: What is COEVAL?

DANIEL: OK I may as well explain what COEVAL is as there are a ton of questions about this. First of all, COEVAL are not sold by us; they are more like options that belong to various people in the project (I say they are LIKE that. They actually belong to some people in the project and some other people who when we made them we let have 5 COEVAL here and there just to see how this whole thing played out. Like I say, we are innovating with this market; we are doing things no one has done in crowdfunding EVER BEFORE. Now THAT is something I am proud of, yes.) They let the holder convert at a discount. There's 100,000 COEVAL in total, which means there is 1 COEVAL for every 1000 MNY, plus the 80% discount (which is to say 5-for-1). Therefore, 1 COEVAL has a price of 5000 MNY. Now, if the COEVAL you buy is 0.2 BTC, that means you paid about $500 or so for it. So, that would mean that we'd have to raise $10m for the COEVAL to have real value. Like I say, in effect this is a call option. I haven't encouraged people to go out buying up COEVAL for 2 reasons: there is mathematically complex issues in the price calculation of COEVAL-MNY and also it belongs to individuals, but if individuals who hold COEVAL wish to trade COEVAL that's their choice. For disclosure purposes, I own approximately 5,000 COEVAL but I will not sell any of the COEVAL I personally own for a minimum of 3 years as per the agreement in the WP regarding Management sale of MNY etc. COEVAL are tradable at the 80% discount on any ICO carried out by Monkey Capital now or in the future too.

I hope that answers all the questions I have had flood my inbox on the functionality of COEVAL. As to what price COEVAL are worth buying at, hmmm ... I am not gonna answer that. If 0.2 BTC \/ COEVAL is $10m raised, then that just means you gotta guess how much we are gonna raise and buy below the price we are gonna raise at. Why did we create COEVAL? OK here is why: I love mathematical complexity and wanted to make the whole crowdfunding process a bit more fun and it's also part of the whole evolution of the product process we figured that could catch on. If you think about it, just as options price in the likelihood that a particular event will or will not happen, so do COEVAL price in confidence in the raise. It's probably one of the cooler innovations we came up with in that sense and I should probably be making an even bigger fuss about it. But as the ICO process began to get underway, I thought it was just one thing too many to discuss. Well, I mentioned it by accident in Slack last night (I thought it was a private chat I was on) and now I have had a zillion private questions about it, so ... reap what you sew I guess. That's how COEVAL work anyway.,

INVESTOR 3: When will COE be green ticked by Waves as an official asset?

DANIEL: I have not discussed it with the guys with respect to COEVAL and very much doubt I will bother as I am not sure I necessarily think it's a good idea to have them Green Ticked. Are you a gambler? Can you price events for killer profits? If yes and yes, try it. If no: steer clear of these kittens!

INVESTOR 2: How do we know what price is a good price for COE?

DANIEL: It's fucking hard to price. A bit like buying BTC in 2011. It's a risk. Worth it? Well, funnily enough, I think long term these COEVAL could be crazy crazy. But. Who knows. I would not suggest trading them. I would actually suggest doing what I am going to do and hang on to them. Hang on to tiiiiny bits maybe if you are tempted to buy them I guess.

INVESTOR 4: COEVAL is $4 - so should I buy it here?

DANIEL: … right NOW IF you can find COEVAL for sale at where it's been trading I guess it's very a good bet. But I don't know how long that statement holds true for.

COE distributions have now been done for all the original investors that sent them in for the swap!

https://monkey.capital website is back up again and updated!

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For more info and updates:

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I got 2 coeval dropped in my wallet... COE distributions are most certainly not 'done' for all original investers that sent in for the swap, and even if they were (which they aren't) they are worth jack shit (where the hell did you pull $380 for 0.1 COE from???), nor ever will be. Looking forward to seeing daniel sentenced towards the end of the year and getting his pretty ass fucked good style in jail.