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Title: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: kokojie on July 22, 2011, 01:26:54 AM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=hd+5830&x=0&y=0

now they are in stock almost all the time due to high price.


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: geek-trader on July 22, 2011, 01:27:54 AM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=hd+5830&x=0&y=0

now they are in stock almost all the time due to high price.

Welcome to last week.  Enjoy your stay.

Sorry, couldn't resist.  ;D


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: kr105 on July 22, 2011, 01:31:58 AM
In stock. Limit 30 per customer.

LOL


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: Chick on July 22, 2011, 01:32:53 AM
In stock. Limit 30 per customer.

LOL

Sorry guys... :)


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: Starlightbreaker on July 22, 2011, 01:33:09 AM
lolwut, they have a limit now?


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: Kermee on July 22, 2011, 01:54:29 AM
In stock. Limit 9.6 GH/s per customer.

LOL

Fixed it for you ;)

Cheers,
Kermee


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: myrkul on July 22, 2011, 02:09:21 AM
See, guys.. This is how the free market works. Demand spikes, prices rise to curtail demand until it equals or drops below supply. Too low below supply, and prices will drop until demand meets or exceeds supply. See where I'm going with this?


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: jasonk on July 22, 2011, 03:04:12 AM
Got a problem with the price?  Don't buy then.  It's that simple.  If demand slows down, then the price will likely drop int he future.  Stop your bitchen!  :P


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: joulesbeef on July 22, 2011, 03:10:48 AM
much lower and they could just make more money mining than actually selling to you


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: relm9 on July 22, 2011, 03:28:02 AM
I don't even see any point in buying new hardware at this stage. Even at $100, a 5830 will take you about a month and a half to pay off. That's OC'ed too, running 24/7. These sold quick back when you could pay them off in weeks .


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: m0w3r on July 22, 2011, 03:55:42 AM
People who mine will make their money back plus more.  People who don't mine and just sit and watch TV will get programmed.


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: indio007 on July 22, 2011, 04:09:19 AM
They are eXtreme edition cards after all. They have a huge copper heatpipe + solid block.


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: AngelusWebDesign on July 22, 2011, 04:16:29 AM
I don't even see any point in buying new hardware at this stage. Even at $100, a 5830 will take you about a month and a half to pay off. That's OC'ed too, running 24/7. These sold quick back when you could pay them off in weeks .

Actually, it's 66 days for a $100 5830 -- even with a decent electric rate (8.8 cents) and proportional mining (=greater return than Deepbit PPS)
That's with a hashrate of 270, which is a target easier to hit.

If you want to go with 300 MH/s, simply subtract 10% from the payoff period -- still 60 days, not 45.


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: Desolator on July 22, 2011, 04:22:54 AM
Knowing their unusual pricing patterns, some items are actually on sale, some are fake on sale, and some are silently on sale.  This could have been any of those.  Like for example, I just recently got an i5-2400 processor there.  It was $185 + shipping.  Now 2 months later it's $195 with free shipping. Now, notice that this card has free shipping but the box is kinda huge and it's not light.  The shipping may not have been free before but it is now so...same net price?  Who knows.

This card in particular though is obviously running super short from Sapphire.  Newegg probably ordered more really quickly so Sapphire raised their price a hair and newegg was okay with that since they flew off the shelves.  It's not like newegg to just  raise prices on something.


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: Hawkix on July 22, 2011, 06:15:05 AM
I think its because it it the LAST batch of Sapphire 5830 ... Here in Europe, they were in stock for last two months, but, after few interruptions in supply, they are now marked as "product ended". So beware.


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: kokojie on July 22, 2011, 01:04:28 PM
I don't even see any point in buying new hardware at this stage. Even at $100, a 5830 will take you about a month and a half to pay off. That's OC'ed too, running 24/7. These sold quick back when you could pay them off in weeks .

Actually, it's 66 days for a $100 5830 -- even with a decent electric rate (8.8 cents) and proportional mining (=greater return than Deepbit PPS)
That's with a hashrate of 270, which is a target easier to hit.

If you want to go with 300 MH/s, simply subtract 10% from the payoff period -- still 60 days, not 45.


What's wrong with 60 day pay off? so after 60 days I would have made back the cost of the card, and still have the card that I can sell for 80% of the cost. So basically I've been making money since day 12. That's insanely good and I don't think any other investment can match the performance.


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: nebiki on July 22, 2011, 02:23:20 PM
I don't even see any point in buying new hardware at this stage. Even at $100, a 5830 will take you about a month and a half to pay off. That's OC'ed too, running 24/7. These sold quick back when you could pay them off in weeks .

Actually, it's 66 days for a $100 5830 -- even with a decent electric rate (8.8 cents) and proportional mining (=greater return than Deepbit PPS)
That's with a hashrate of 270, which is a target easier to hit.

If you want to go with 300 MH/s, simply subtract 10% from the payoff period -- still 60 days, not 45.


What's wrong with 60 day pay off? so after 60 days I would have made back the cost of the card, and still have the card that I can sell for 80% of the cost. So basically I've been making money since day 12. That's insanely good and I don't think any other investment can match the performance.

i don't see the point in buying a 5830 other than for mining.


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: kokojie on July 22, 2011, 04:47:35 PM
I don't even see any point in buying new hardware at this stage. Even at $100, a 5830 will take you about a month and a half to pay off. That's OC'ed too, running 24/7. These sold quick back when you could pay them off in weeks .

Actually, it's 66 days for a $100 5830 -- even with a decent electric rate (8.8 cents) and proportional mining (=greater return than Deepbit PPS)
That's with a hashrate of 270, which is a target easier to hit.

If you want to go with 300 MH/s, simply subtract 10% from the payoff period -- still 60 days, not 45.


What's wrong with 60 day pay off? so after 60 days I would have made back the cost of the card, and still have the card that I can sell for 80% of the cost. So basically I've been making money since day 12. That's insanely good and I don't think any other investment can match the performance.

i don't see the point in buying a 5830 other than for mining.

It's a great gaming card too for the money.


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: The_JMiner on July 23, 2011, 12:31:34 AM
id like to buy from there but import tax can hurt me ......

I'd be happy to buy it for you and export with a cheaper sales receipt.


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: kr105 on July 23, 2011, 03:53:53 AM
id like to buy from there but import tax can hurt me ......

I'd be happy to buy it for you and export with a cheaper sales receipt.
I'll be contacting you on my next purchase! I paid import taxes on my 3 5850 :(


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: Desolator on July 23, 2011, 04:44:52 AM
You thought the newegg drama was over.  You thought wrong! :P

So I got 1 Sapphire 5830 from Newegg like a week ago.  I mean I ordered it then and got it 2 days ago.  So about 1-1.5 days ago, they ran out.  There are 0 in stock :( I was about to order it then went to sleep and woke up and THEY WERE GONE!  I think some nocturnal critter like raccoons must have taken the last few overnight or something lol. That's great but now I want 2 more.  So I added myself to the auto-notify list and unhappily expected to wait a week or two.

But oh hell no! This is newegg.  They gotta screw with me in the meantime  >:( so apparently while I was gone today on lots of work appointments, apparently they got more in and then sold out again so I'm right back where I was but technically could have gotten one :( grrrrr.  I think maybe they got 1 single card returned or something cuz they don't typically run out, get more, and run out again in like 36 hours.  But knowing them, they probably just found another one they didn't know they had and sold it lol.


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: Starlightbreaker on July 23, 2011, 05:00:09 AM
if you don't mind waiting and willing to throw in some extra $$, just get 5850 from ncixus.com.

164, shipped to US.

not a bad deal.


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: geek-trader on July 23, 2011, 05:09:18 AM
You thought the newegg drama was over.  You thought wrong! :P

So I got 1 Sapphire 5830 from Newegg like a week ago.  I mean I ordered it then and got it 2 days ago.  So about 1-1.5 days ago, they ran out.  There are 0 in stock :( I was about to order it then went to sleep and woke up and THEY WERE GONE!  I think some nocturnal critter like raccoons must have taken the last few overnight or something lol. That's great but now I want 2 more.  So I added myself to the auto-notify list and unhappily expected to wait a week or two.

But oh hell no! This is newegg.  They gotta screw with me in the meantime  >:( so apparently while I was gone today on lots of work appointments, apparently they got more in and then sold out again so I'm right back where I was but technically could have gotten one :( grrrrr.  I think maybe they got 1 single card returned or something cuz they don't typically run out, get more, and run out again in like 36 hours.  But knowing them, they probably just found another one they didn't know they had and sold it lol.

The 5830 shows as in stock right now. And, I bought 2 yesterday, they shipped today.


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: Desolator on July 23, 2011, 06:04:10 AM
okay, it has been maybe 3 hours since they were out and they're now back in again? :P that's wonderful lol.  I think that makes it for the last 2 days: in, out, in, out, in :P  Technically this is the alternate model that's now back in stock but still.  Speaking of that, there's 2 sapphire 5830's in stock.  I looked at them side by side and all they changed between them was removing the clock speed stat completely from one of them.  Otherwise they're identical.  What's the difference that adds the word "extreme" to the extreme version?  The cooler?  OCing abilities?  Check em out:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102946

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102878


Oh and actually the 5850 is a pretty bad deal.  The MH/watt and MH/$ go down the toilet with that card compared to the 5830.


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: Desolator on July 23, 2011, 06:05:46 AM
OOOOOOOOOOOOKAY, it's been approximately 30 seconds since my last post and you may notice that they're

OUT OF STOCK AGAIN!  >:(

I think they never came back in stock.  I did the search and they said they were in stock but I clicked on it and they're out of stock.  So either it's a glitch or these really are selling fast! lol.  It appears to be a glitch.  If you click "add to cart" from the search results which claim they're in stock, it says in big red letters:

Sapphire Tech 100297L has been removed from shopping cart due to quantity limitation/insufficient stock. Some combo items might be affected by this.

So anyway, what's the big difference between those 2 cards?


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: myrkul on July 23, 2011, 06:09:52 AM
OOOOOOOOOOOOKAY, it's been approximately 30 seconds since my last post and you may notice that they're

OUT OF STOCK AGAIN!  >:(


Now they're just fucking with you.


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: Kermee on July 23, 2011, 06:23:29 AM
So anyway, what's the big difference between those 2 cards?

For mining, nothing.  I have both in my rigs.

Cheers,
Kermee


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: Desolator on July 23, 2011, 06:23:44 AM
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p227/wizzerd911/8dbb85cc-16e4-42ec-a12d-ca0cdfbf3546.jpg


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: pbj sammich on July 23, 2011, 12:14:39 PM
What's the difference that adds the word "extreme" to the extreme version? 

the difference is $20 dollars  ;)


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: dub0matic on July 23, 2011, 12:35:56 PM
I think the difference was free shipping  :D


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: mike678 on July 23, 2011, 03:38:34 PM
if you don't mind waiting and willing to throw in some extra $$, just get 5850 from ncixus.com.

164, shipped to US.

not a bad deal.
That's a horrible deal and if you think it's good your retarded.
311/164=1.89

You could pick up a 6950 on newegg right now for 209
400/209=1.91

Also the 6950 saves 34% more electricity.


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: Starlightbreaker on July 23, 2011, 03:58:14 PM
if you don't mind waiting and willing to throw in some extra $$, just get 5850 from ncixus.com.

164, shipped to US.

not a bad deal.
That's a horrible deal and if you think it's good your retarded.
311/164=1.89

You could pick up a 6950 on newegg right now for 209
400/209=1.91

Also the 6950 saves 34% more electricity.
i don't run my cards at stock speed.
and electricity is not really an issue for me. :P


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: mike678 on July 23, 2011, 04:13:10 PM
if you don't mind waiting and willing to throw in some extra $$, just get 5850 from ncixus.com.

164, shipped to US.

not a bad deal.
That's a horrible deal and if you think it's good your retarded.
311/164=1.89

You could pick up a 6950 on newegg right now for 209
400/209=1.91

Also the 6950 saves 34% more electricity.
i don't run my cards at stock speed.
and electricity is not really an issue for me. :P


Those aren't stock speeds -_-


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: forexmasterja on July 23, 2011, 04:47:12 PM
6950 @ 400mhash sounds a bit much

more like 375


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: mike678 on July 23, 2011, 04:50:19 PM
6950 @ 400mhash sounds a bit much

more like 375
fair enough but megahash per cost of server I'm pretty sure will still make it better then a 5830 @ 164


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: forexmasterja on July 23, 2011, 05:06:01 PM
6950 @ 400mhash sounds a bit much

more like 375
fair enough but megahash per cost of server I'm pretty sure will still make it better then a 5830 @ 164

Firstly its a 5850 and based on my math

5850 = 360/164=2.19 (I'm getting on avg 364mh from my 5850's)

and the 6950 is $209 after rebate and is actually $239 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150523

so therefore 6950 = 375/239=1.56 (WORST INVESTMENT EVER)
would have been better you went with some 6870's i get 300mhash from my 6870's and they are $174 on newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102948

6870 = 300/174=1.72

My math could be off but thats what i'm getting ..


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: Kermee on July 23, 2011, 05:17:44 PM
if you don't mind waiting and willing to throw in some extra $$, just get 5850 from ncixus.com.

164, shipped to US.

not a bad deal.
That's a horrible deal and if you think it's good your retarded.
311/164=1.89

You could pick up a 6950 on newegg right now for 209
400/209=1.91

Also the 6950 saves 34% more electricity.

You realize it's a 5850... right?  Which easily does 380 MH/s+... Not sure where you're getting 311...

Cheers,
Kermee


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: wallet.dat on July 23, 2011, 05:22:52 PM
You realize it's a 5850... right?  Which easily does 380 MH/s+... Not sure where you're getting 311...

Wrd. 5850 and 5870 used to be THE single-GPU cards to get until the supply dried up.  Then everybody had to settle for 5830s.   5850s at $150 shipped didn't last long.


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: Desolator on July 23, 2011, 05:29:49 PM
I need to make a purchase decision ASAP so instead of people totally not comparing apples to apples (comparing 1 card to another with different drivers, different mining techniques, different flags, and different overclocking settings is like comparing apples to volkswagons) I'm just gonna look at:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison

You can see, stock 5830's run at like 240 MH/s and that's what I got but turn on vectors, change the work size, and OC it to 900 on the core clock and mine gets 279.8 MH/s on average and uses around 125-155W to my best estimation.  The system idled at 110W without the card and it's 265W steady now with the card so possibly 155W on the card I guess.

Btw I'm not really going by that one famous article that was on slashdot and stuff that put together pretty graphs and stuff.  They were mostly correct but they didn't OC most of the cards at all so alright, that's reasonable, but it would appear they didn't even optimize the extra flags and there's no excuse for that.  I'll put together my own report based on that wiki article as soon as possible.

My initial finds are that all 6000 series cards from at least the 6870 on down, just based on initial price vs MH/s, are HORRIBLE.  I didn't take wattage into account but I doubt that break even point is even 3 years on electricity savings vs initial buying price and a lot of them probably aren't more power efficient at all.  For example, hash speed and spec-wise the 6870 basically is a 5830 but $35 more expensive and actually a hair slower and almost precisely the same wattage too.


Title: Re: douchebag newegg bumped the price of 5830 to $129.99
Post by: mike678 on July 23, 2011, 05:42:57 PM
oh lol my bad I thought he said 5830. That's my fault and I'm sorry for making the mistake. I just read it quickly and assumed he was talking about the 5830 since the thread is about the 5830