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I don't know if boxing fans here are aware of the latest news:


http://www.fighthype.com/news/article32541.html

They blame it on the contaminated meat in Mexico which is really plaguing the country now. But I don't know if this is intentional or what and they are pointing fingers to the meat industry for using Clen to raised and breed their cattles to be more lean with less fat on it.

What's your take on this?

But I hope that GGG vs Alvarez II will push thru this May to settle once and for all who is the true p4p king.

I remember the topic of tainted meat being a past issue in both the NFL and UFC. Here's a news story from 2016 about a NFL player being exonerated for a positive PED test claiming he consumed tainted beef in mexico.


Frank Mir is one UFC fighter I can remember offhand who also claimed their positive PED test was a result of consuming tainted meat.

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I think there is a relationship between cardio in combat sports like boxing or mixed martial arts and steroid abuse. Steroids damage the heart and cardiovascular system which causes fighters to have lower endurance. Of course, this is a generalization. The quantity and type of steroids an athlete abuses can have varying effects.

Looking at the first GGG versus Canelo fight, the endurance of GGG is one thing which stood out. It is possible that Canelo has abused steroids which could be one reason he'll never match GGG's high pace and output.

The decision as to whether the march will put through will be left in the hands of the boxing federation to make and there is nothing we can do about it but some factors are important here and that is

1.Since its being established that the banned substance was from meat which he possibly could not have his personal diary farm to raise cows for him to consume and the test was something he did voluntarily, i think he should not be punished to the extreme because of that.

2. The amount of enthusiasm the match has generated which would translate to revenue. If the enthusiasm is something that high, then we are sure the match would hold but if not, they can afford to rule against him which would mean the game won't hold. Just hold on and let them decide.

Would you really believed his alibi? I mean he is a professional boxer and his diet is on a strict regime, meaning all the food he eats and even the water he drinks is examined and screened by his dieticians. If he get passed by his drug test it would mean a bad thing for Golovkin. He is obviously heavy and Clenbuterol is used for cutting down weight. Blaming the meat he eats only makes a lot of parties involve, I wouldn't be surprised if the cattle producer will be the one to take the fall here.

In response to the positive test, Golden Boy said that Alvarez would soon move his training camp to the United States from Mexico and put forward additional drug testing.

Every sport athlete that is caught with steroids on their system has a lot of excuses. But it looks like this meat contamination in Mexico has a lot of athletes affecting as far as going back as 2011. And almost all athletes has been affected as well.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/drugsinsport/8835036/Clenbuterol-positives-due-to-meat-contamination-gives-fresh-hope-to-Callum-Priestley-and-Alberto-Contador.html

I don't know but its seems fishy to me. This has been outbreak ever since so I think that camp should be very careful what his team is feeding him. Although I was quite surprise Canelo's performance during the first fight. I still JMM monstrous look during the last Pacquiao fight so it really hard not to be suspicious athletes from Mexico. I'm thinking that they maybe masking steroids abused all the while, IMHO.

I am sure that he was really doping because his alibi is really funny blaming something that you ate as a result meanwhile he failed to mention the exact food that he ate which caused the positive test in the first place.

I tend not to believe the athlete in cases like this. There is so much money involved that I think steroid use is much more common than tests show. They must have ways to hide their use from the system, only that from time to time someone gets caught.

This should really be focused on if the issue is true or just a pure alibi.It havent even mentioned about the result on the food which have been consumed.They are no diverting the issue and it turns out that nothing happens.For the fans then you cant do something but to wait for their fight on more months because of such issue.

This is not a newly banned substance and is considered a dope since 2007. Alvarez is also not a newbie who doesn't know what to eat.
So, clearly it's intentional. The amount of dope found in the test too would verify that.

I really think this is a shame, and I hate every time I see top athletes getting caught on doping. We look up to them and thing they are amazing for what they can achieve, and when we see this, we just don't know for sure if we can trust them or not. Don't get me wrong, they are still amazing athletes, and even I the common folks like us, consumed the same substance he did, we would not achieve his performance. They are still beasts, but they are getting an edge over their competitors, and that is a shame. Because we think they are amazing, and maybe they competitors would have beat them, if it wasn't for the cheating.

But the damage has been done already. Intentionally or not. It has somewhat put questions on his 1st performance against Golovkin.


Every athlete from Mexico should be aware of this issue because its been ongoing for quite some time now. That's why the alibi is somewhat sketchy. I haven't seen the amount of clen found on his system. But if such amount is high, then there will be doubts on him. Maybe its just another excuse from this camp so that they can get away with steroids abuse because Saul Alvarez looks really different.


Yeah, we can't denied that is probably been doping specially for this fight because he wants to take some edge. Golovkin is far more stronger in my opinion, although Canelo has a very tough chin, but during the fight he seems to be like Margarito, the more he was hit, the tougher he becomes. Of course this is just my speculation.

This is a really unfortunate situation but i think the fight will take place as planned because there is a lot of money to be made and i believe the Mexican meat story and there is only a small trace found in his system ,in my opinion GGG won the first fight and this is the perfect second fight and i am sure this is going to be another great fight .

I am heartbroken, he is my favorite fighter. I think he was setup by GGG. He is that type of a fighter.

A setup? It's the last reason that I would think of.
Oh, yes! maybe triple G have an insider on Canelo's boxing team and that guy/gal intentionally put a contaminated meat on the latter's meal or strong enough, directly gave him a tablet which supposed to be CLEN.
Well, that's possible LOL.

Anyway, I think the fight will be postponed due to the fact that it's unfair. Some old matches are defaulted too due to that issue, so why wouldn't they do it now. (haven't read the news, is it already postponed?)

It's probably just as you're saying. Also this was a single test. He has to be tested again and probably will be. A single test doesn't mean anything, you have to get another sample tested and if both of them are positive then you're in trouble. If it's a trace it could've been a single dose added to his meal or water to make him test positive and start the witch hunt. If he was really using he'd not have a trace because such small amounts don't give you any advantage. You are either on it or not.

Looks like GGG has failed the test,if you are a professional athlete you must be careful about what you intake and not to blame something else after getting caught, since you are accusing GGG i am telling that if Canelo is to win the fight he needs some booster as he is not going to last next time around as we do not even believe the judges. :P

Do you know what's going on? I think you've mistakenly swapped triple G and Canelo. Have a look on the title, it's Canelo that got positive on the CLEN test.


Just an addition to what I've said earlier, If I were them I'll truly postpone the fight. Why? It'll be controversial after all. By any chance, Alvarez have defeated triple G , what's gonna happen?
I'm absolutely sure triple G will point it out on the use of drugs that's why he lost the fight. That's an easy & legit statement.

WTF are you talking about? How did you know  that it was a setup by the GGG himself or his camp? Do you have proof of that or are just completely trolling?


Another one. Its Canelo not GGG who have failed the test.

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The best thing to do is just to postpone the fight until the camp of Canelo really proves that they are not using steroids here. Although for me this is a honest mistake, but it already put some questions on his performance not just on their first fight but around his previous win.

Obviously not trolling. I strongly believe that a setup is possibly made, maybe by GGG maybe not. I would be really disappointed if he took it by his own will. Who knows maybe Canelo doesn't feel ready for the fight so he took something that sustains somewhat of a banned substance to postpone the fight for a little. ???

That is a common issue for mexican boxers. No doubt why alvarez can take Triple G's hardest punches. Tho it is still disappointing that after he became what he is right now. He still continue to use the this type of substance. I am not sure tho if the fight was canceled.

They probably didn't think they'd be caught and blamed it on the meat. I don't buy it. Although i'd love to see the rematch with GGG, canelo probably don't believe he can beat the guy fair and square. I don't think he can beat golovkin.

Here's the latest update on this drama.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/boxing/5773326/saul-alvarez-passes-drug-tests-gennady-golovkin-rematch/

So its already a GO. So for now let's say we should all blame the Mexican cattle farm industry for using Clen. Lol. Another great fight for the fans.

Whether we like it or not, it looks like Canelo Alvarez legacy is already tainted with the failed drug test. And no matter what explanation or excuses, not only in boxing, in the public eyes, once you are caught you are a cheater, your credibility in question.

Interesting to see how one expert opinion on the matter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKXiWuF86BU

GGG making a lot of noise or maybe hyping the fight. As he called Canelo a cheater.


https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-canelo-cheating-using-drugs-de-la-hoya-dirty--126405

We can understand where GGG is coming from. And I agree that it will somewhat put a stain of Canelo from his past and future fights. And his opponents can make a excuses that he is on PEDs, when this lost.  ;D

Canelo Alvarez to have April 10 hearing after temporary suspension


http://tv5.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/22889219/canelo-alvarez-temporarily-suspended-nevada-state-athletic-commission

So the fight is still up in the air. But I'm sure that they will let this fight push through. Maybe the Nevada Commission just put this as front so that it will looks like they are really bring fair here.

There's too much money in the line that I doubt that they will jeopardized this fight. One way to do is have Canelo submitted for random blood or urine testing to see if he is actually using Clen or not.

Yes, I don't think that NSAC will postponed the fight because its schedule on Cinco-de-Mayo as we all know if being celebrated in US soil and as far as I can remember Oscar dela Hoya almost loves to fight around that time because its like New Year, of course resulting to more ticket sales.

I just pity GGG, because he really don't know if the fight will still push through because we don't know what will be the NSAC final decision. Maybe he will just continue to train and hope that the fight will go as plan and be ready.

Well it look likes Canelo is withdrawing his fight with Golovkin because its unlikely the NSAC will likely allow him to fight and might be looking for a long term suspension. See the video below.

http://fighthype.com/news/article32862.html

So Golovkin will have to look for another dancing partner here. I hope that the rematch will push immediately as Golovkin i not getting any younger as well.

The reputation of some Mexican boxing superstars were tainted when it comes to banned substance use. I saw the fight between Alvarez vs Golovkin and i could say that GGG dominated Alvarez through out the fight and how much more if he had not used that banned substance.  :)

I really think that he should be suspended as well because it's without doubt that he has been doping for a very long time now and he has been able to evade them but has been unlucky to have been caught this time around. Doping is not good for the sports and all measures should be taken against him irrespective of the excuses that he brings forth.

It's really was a close fight. But I still do believed that Golovkin won the first fight. Yeah it looks like some Mexican boxing stars were caught and was allowed to continue and still fight. But I guess Saul Alvarez case was different, I can only speculate that the NSAC may have been found "conclusive' evidence to warrant Saul to be suspended, that's why Golden Boy pre-empts it by having Saul Alvarez withdraw the fight in anticipation of the NSAC suspension.

This will really put a question mark on Canelo's record specially after he retires. This will haunt him and detractors will used this argument to attack his reputation.

I guess it's no wonder he was able to withstand the beast that is Golovkin for 12 rounds, I mean Canelo's physique was seriously ripped for the fight which would have been suspicious if he wasn't an elite level fighter. Just goes to show what a complete monster Golovkin is, he was fighting (and arguably beating) the second best fighter in his weight category, a man 10 years his junior, a man who used performance enhancing drugs, and STILL beat/drew with him. Barring the score card fiasco (I really hope that judge isn't working for boxing anymore, outrageous), he clearly won the fight in terms of shots landed and heaviest hits. That being said Canelo is still a great fighter, just sucks that he had to stoop to this level against Golovkin.

Great analyst mate. Just by looking at his physique during the fight one has to wonder how he get so ripped with more muscle and less body fat. Again, we may compare it to another Mexican great JMM, who went from flabby to a hulk during the last fight with Manny Pacquiao and everyone was accusing him of taking performance enhancing drugs (PED), sadly though Manny was KO cold.

Going back to Canelo we all know how tough he is, but we have the same observation. He was able to stand toe to toe with Golovkin and sometimes looks stronger and the heavier puncher between the two that sometimes its hard not to question if he has already taken PEDS during the fight to be able to get that body to the next level.

Another twist in the drama. It was reported that Canelo Alvarez went into a hospital in Mexico to undergo a knee surgery. Maybe he is taking advantage of his suspension or probably he really needed this surgery, which is the first time we heard that he is injured. But at least Golden Boy, his promoter confirms that he really did go to a hospital but neither confirms if its all about his knee or something else.

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-surgery-cosmetic-says-golden-boy--127145

It's easy to say that it came from meat but what I don't understand is that do they have proof that it can be found in meat? If you think about it, we should test all the meat that we eat and see if there is a possible "banned substance" included in the meat. If ever there is, there is a small chance that it could be detected because if you eat only a small portion like 0.02 mg of something, it's too tiny of weight to be identified in your system. That's just my thought about it.

I think the substance is not from the meat because you are right we just eat a small amount of it. Illegal substance use is common to mexican boxers just like in the case of Julio Ceasar Chavez Jr. In my opinion they used illegal substance to have advantage over GGG because they know that they will lose that fight.

I doubt it, I read some news about Canelo Alvarez who thought that he was wearing doping, but after the test result was not proven, yes because he is one of the athletes yes can be said very good and honest.

Probably it's like that. It's going to be a negative impact for his team. Something like that shouldn't be tolerated especially in professional sports. I think there are other people or sportsmen do that but hide it. It's sad that they are trying to do shortcuts.

We can only speculate if he is really using PED's or not. But again, we wouldn't be suspended if they haven't found high enough dosage on his system. How much meat this he consume really? Yes, he and his team are now tainted because of this news. But I still wanted to see the fight and we can compare it against his performance in the first fight and at least see some 'difference' specially in his body composition and strength.

Its final: NSAC has suspended Canelo Alvarez for 6 months.


https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-suspended-six-months-failing-ped-tests--127289

So most likely the rematch with Golovkin will happen around September. Golovkin though will still push for the supposedly schedule fight on May 5 against Vanes Martirosyan.

So its being concluded and for boxing fans out there 6 months suspension is much better than 1 year which supposedly to have that decision and its been reduced.

According to the article:

Alvarez acknowledged that clenbuterol was in his system when he twice tested positive in February, but the former super welterweight and middleweight champion didn’t admit intent to use that banned substance.

Admit or not, or whatsoever the reason the decision had been made already.

OK. So we are almost there. GGG vs Vanes this "Cinco De Mayo"

Who you got?

The favorite here is GGG and its just a question on what round should he KO or TKO Vanes. GGG looks solid again while Vanes weigh in below at 159.6 lbs. And Vanes was out of action for about 2 years so I wouldn't be surprised if we gonna see some ring rust and GGG taking advantage of it.

I thinks on the first fight  the real winner is Gennady Golovkin because he landed more  sloid punch on there first , rather than alvarez and we prove that alvarez he is a cheater by using a substance known clenbuterol that found in the meat they eat,so therefore maybe the fight GGG vs Alvarez  maybe cancelled or not  but  in my own thought golovkin prove that he is now the true p4p king,because he fight cleaned without cheated and  thats the nature of real fighters.

Yes, I agree with you that Golovkin is the real winner on their first fight in my opinion. However, the judges sees otherwise. That's why a second fight is needed to settle who's really the best p4p. They have their excuses about the Clen thing, and he was already suspended. So we need to wait a little bit longer and hope that they will fight again in the future. On the other hand, GGG is fighting again and I hope he win convincingly and send the message to the division. If I'm not mistaken he is chasing Hopkins record of 20 title defense in the Middle Division. Let's see if he can tie the record and go after Canelo to break it.

Well, GGG proves who is the King of the Middleweight division, by taking out Vanes in just 2 rounds, Lol. I though Vanes could keep it with GGG at least 4-5 rounds but I guess he really too much. Note: It was Vanes' first KO loss in his 13 year old career. So GGG now tied BHop's record for most title defenses in MW at 20. Can he break the record with a fight with Canelo next year? Remains to be seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tWB0jeGZAU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hIH__KHQQU - Post Fight Interview

Who could blamed Vanes for not taking the fight though? He hasn't fought for at least a year and not a true MW. I know he campaigns at 154 lbs and that's his division. But going up to 160 and fighting a champion like triple G is a opportunity not to be missed, I'm sure he got a good payday as well. Remember that Triple G hits Canelo with that kind of shot but Canelo didn't go down. So the real fight is really between those two. This fight is just like a workout for Triple G and he hasn't break any sweet yet. So let's wait and see if the fight is still open when the suspension on Canelo is lift next year.

Note: Vanes' manager is Don King, quite surprise that he is still managing boxers still after the much publicized Tyson case.

Yes, I agree with you mate. Maybe they can't really find a suitable fighter that is willing to face one of the dangerous boxers we have right now. But I'm not really sure if Vanes really got a huge pay. As you have said, he has a long layoff and not even at par with GGG. I guess GGG camp is somewhat close to Don King  that's why he got the fight in just a short notice.

Vanes taking a crack at Canelo Alvarez regarding PEDs found on his system:


https://www.boxingscene.com/martirosyan-now-i-see-why-canelos-eating-kind-meat--127897

Again, he was clearly beaten and outclassed by Triple G. Just funny that we was able to crack jokes after his devastating lost. He made the wrong game plan of fighting toe-to-toe with one of the dangerous boxer right now. Let's hope that the fight with Alvarez will really push through this September (according to Golden Boy).

Ok after so much drama surrounding part 2 of the GGG-Canelo fight, it looks like it will finally push through after the negotiations failed when Golovkin, after winning our Vanes wanted to have a lion share of the split. However, Alvarez and Golden Boy was pissed because it was already agreed about the pursed initially. But after so much back and forth war of words. Oscar was able to save the fight with GGG getting 42.5% as opposed to his 50% which he is initially asking. So we are finally getting another good fight.

https://www.boxingscene.com/golden-boy-prez-hail-mary-de-la-hoya-saved-canelo-ggg-2--129081