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I don't know if boxing fans here are aware of the latest news: For those who have yet to hear, it was announced on Monday that Saul “Canelo” Alvarez had tested positive for “trace levels” of Clenbuterol during voluntary pre-fight screening for banned substances ahead of his May 5 rematch with Gennady Golovkin.
http://www.fighthype.com/news/article32541.htmlThey blame it on the contaminated meat in Mexico which is really plaguing the country now. But I don't know if this is intentional or what and they are pointing fingers to the meat industry for using Clen to raised and breed their cattles to be more lean with less fat on it. What's your take on this? But I hope that GGG vs Alvarez II will push thru this May to settle once and for all who is the true p4p king.
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They blame it on the contaminated meat in Mexico which is really plaguing the country now. But I don't know if this is intentional or what and they are pointing fingers to the meat industry for using Clen to raised and breed their cattles to be more lean with less fat on it.
What's your take on this? I remember the topic of tainted meat being a past issue in both the NFL and UFC. Here's a news story from 2016 about a NFL player being exonerated for a positive PED test claiming he consumed tainted beef in mexico. NFL player’s ‘tainted Mexican beef’ steroid excuse actually workedHouston Texans offensive tackle Duane Brown had his 10-game suspension for violating the league’s policy on performance-enhancing drugs overturned, successfully claiming he ingested bad beef while on vacation, ESPN reported Tuesday. Brown was suspended last season after he tested positive for clenbuterol, which is on the league’s banned substance list. He appealed the suspension and won, arguing that the result was based on eating too much meat during a trip to Mexico. Brown’s appeal included receipts for 10 hamburgers and two steaks during his trip to Baja, according to the report. The NFL and NFLPA sent a joint statement to players warning them about the contaminated meat that could trigger a positive test. https://nypost.com/2016/05/03/nfl-decides-texans-peds-were-actually-mexican-meat/ Frank Mir is one UFC fighter I can remember offhand who also claimed their positive PED test was a result of consuming tainted meat. ... I think there is a relationship between cardio in combat sports like boxing or mixed martial arts and steroid abuse. Steroids damage the heart and cardiovascular system which causes fighters to have lower endurance. Of course, this is a generalization. The quantity and type of steroids an athlete abuses can have varying effects. Looking at the first GGG versus Canelo fight, the endurance of GGG is one thing which stood out. It is possible that Canelo has abused steroids which could be one reason he'll never match GGG's high pace and output.
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March 10, 2018, 09:05:20 AM |
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I don't know if boxing fans here are aware of the latest news: For those who have yet to hear, it was announced on Monday that Saul “Canelo” Alvarez had tested positive for “trace levels” of Clenbuterol during voluntary pre-fight screening for banned substances ahead of his May 5 rematch with Gennady Golovkin.
http://www.fighthype.com/news/article32541.htmlThey blame it on the contaminated meat in Mexico which is really plaguing the country now. But I don't know if this is intentional or what and they are pointing fingers to the meat industry for using Clen to raised and breed their cattles to be more lean with less fat on it. What's your take on this? But I hope that GGG vs Alvarez II will push thru this May to settle once and for all who is the true p4p king. The decision as to whether the march will put through will be left in the hands of the boxing federation to make and there is nothing we can do about it but some factors are important here and that is 1.Since its being established that the banned substance was from meat which he possibly could not have his personal diary farm to raise cows for him to consume and the test was something he did voluntarily, i think he should not be punished to the extreme because of that. 2. The amount of enthusiasm the match has generated which would translate to revenue. If the enthusiasm is something that high, then we are sure the match would hold but if not, they can afford to rule against him which would mean the game won't hold. Just hold on and let them decide.
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Would you really believed his alibi? I mean he is a professional boxer and his diet is on a strict regime, meaning all the food he eats and even the water he drinks is examined and screened by his dieticians. If he get passed by his drug test it would mean a bad thing for Golovkin. He is obviously heavy and Clenbuterol is used for cutting down weight. Blaming the meat he eats only makes a lot of parties involve, I wouldn't be surprised if the cattle producer will be the one to take the fall here.
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In response to the positive test, Golden Boy said that Alvarez would soon move his training camp to the United States from Mexico and put forward additional drug testing.
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Every sport athlete that is caught with steroids on their system has a lot of excuses. But it looks like this meat contamination in Mexico has a lot of athletes affecting as far as going back as 2011. And almost all athletes has been affected as well. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/drugsinsport/8835036/Clenbuterol-positives-due-to-meat-contamination-gives-fresh-hope-to-Callum-Priestley-and-Alberto-Contador.htmlI don't know but its seems fishy to me. This has been outbreak ever since so I think that camp should be very careful what his team is feeding him. Although I was quite surprise Canelo's performance during the first fight. I still JMM monstrous look during the last Pacquiao fight so it really hard not to be suspicious athletes from Mexico. I'm thinking that they maybe masking steroids abused all the while, IMHO.
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In response to the positive test, Golden Boy said that Alvarez would soon move his training camp to the United States from Mexico and put forward additional drug testing.
I am sure that he was really doping because his alibi is really funny blaming something that you ate as a result meanwhile he failed to mention the exact food that he ate which caused the positive test in the first place.
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I tend not to believe the athlete in cases like this. There is so much money involved that I think steroid use is much more common than tests show. They must have ways to hide their use from the system, only that from time to time someone gets caught.
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In response to the positive test, Golden Boy said that Alvarez would soon move his training camp to the United States from Mexico and put forward additional drug testing.
I am sure that he was really doping because his alibi is really funny blaming something that you ate as a result meanwhile he failed to mention the exact food that he ate which caused the positive test in the first place. This should really be focused on if the issue is true or just a pure alibi.It havent even mentioned about the result on the food which have been consumed.They are no diverting the issue and it turns out that nothing happens.For the fans then you cant do something but to wait for their fight on more months because of such issue.
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This is not a newly banned substance and is considered a dope since 2007. Alvarez is also not a newbie who doesn't know what to eat. So, clearly it's intentional. The amount of dope found in the test too would verify that.
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I really think this is a shame, and I hate every time I see top athletes getting caught on doping. We look up to them and thing they are amazing for what they can achieve, and when we see this, we just don't know for sure if we can trust them or not. Don't get me wrong, they are still amazing athletes, and even I the common folks like us, consumed the same substance he did, we would not achieve his performance. They are still beasts, but they are getting an edge over their competitors, and that is a shame. Because we think they are amazing, and maybe they competitors would have beat them, if it wasn't for the cheating.
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In response to the positive test, Golden Boy said that Alvarez would soon move his training camp to the United States from Mexico and put forward additional drug testing.
But the damage has been done already. Intentionally or not. It has somewhat put questions on his 1st performance against Golovkin. Would you really believed his alibi? I mean he is a professional boxer and his diet is on a strict regime, meaning all the food he eats and even the water he drinks is examined and screened by his dieticians. If he get passed by his drug test it would mean a bad thing for Golovkin. He is obviously heavy and Clenbuterol is used for cutting down weight. Blaming the meat he eats only makes a lot of parties involve, I wouldn't be surprised if the cattle producer will be the one to take the fall here.
Every athlete from Mexico should be aware of this issue because its been ongoing for quite some time now. That's why the alibi is somewhat sketchy. I haven't seen the amount of clen found on his system. But if such amount is high, then there will be doubts on him. Maybe its just another excuse from this camp so that they can get away with steroids abuse because Saul Alvarez looks really different. In response to the positive test, Golden Boy said that Alvarez would soon move his training camp to the United States from Mexico and put forward additional drug testing.
I am sure that he was really doping because his alibi is really funny blaming something that you ate as a result meanwhile he failed to mention the exact food that he ate which caused the positive test in the first place. Yeah, we can't denied that is probably been doping specially for this fight because he wants to take some edge. Golovkin is far more stronger in my opinion, although Canelo has a very tough chin, but during the fight he seems to be like Margarito, the more he was hit, the tougher he becomes. Of course this is just my speculation.
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This is a really unfortunate situation but i think the fight will take place as planned because there is a lot of money to be made and i believe the Mexican meat story and there is only a small trace found in his system ,in my opinion GGG won the first fight and this is the perfect second fight and i am sure this is going to be another great fight .
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I am heartbroken, he is my favorite fighter. I think he was setup by GGG. He is that type of a fighter.
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I am heartbroken, he is my favorite fighter. I think he was setup by GGG. He is that type of a fighter.
A setup? It's the last reason that I would think of. Oh, yes! maybe triple G have an insider on Canelo's boxing team and that guy/gal intentionally put a contaminated meat on the latter's meal or strong enough, directly gave him a tablet which supposed to be CLEN. Well, that's possible LOL. Anyway, I think the fight will be postponed due to the fact that it's unfair. Some old matches are defaulted too due to that issue, so why wouldn't they do it now. (haven't read the news, is it already postponed?)
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This is not a newly banned substance and is considered a dope since 2007. Alvarez is also not a newbie who doesn't know what to eat. So, clearly it's intentional. The amount of dope found in the test too would verify that.
It's probably just as you're saying. Also this was a single test. He has to be tested again and probably will be. A single test doesn't mean anything, you have to get another sample tested and if both of them are positive then you're in trouble. If it's a trace it could've been a single dose added to his meal or water to make him test positive and start the witch hunt. If he was really using he'd not have a trace because such small amounts don't give you any advantage. You are either on it or not.
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I am heartbroken, he is my favorite fighter. I think he was setup by GGG. He is that type of a fighter.
Looks like GGG has failed the test,if you are a professional athlete you must be careful about what you intake and not to blame something else after getting caught, since you are accusing GGG i am telling that if Canelo is to win the fight he needs some booster as he is not going to last next time around as we do not even believe the judges. ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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I am heartbroken, he is my favorite fighter. I think he was setup by GGG. He is that type of a fighter.
Looks like GGG has failed the test,if you are a professional athlete you must be careful about what you intake and not to blame something else after getting caught, since you are accusing GGG i am telling that if Canelo is to win the fight he needs some booster as he is not going to last next time around as we do not even believe the judges. ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) Do you know what's going on? I think you've mistakenly swapped triple G and Canelo. Have a look on the title, it's Canelo that got positive on the CLEN test. Anyway, I think the fight will be postponed due to the fact that it's unfair. Some old matches are defaulted too due to that issue, so why wouldn't they do it now. (haven't read the news, is it already postponed?)
Just an addition to what I've said earlier, If I were them I'll truly postpone the fight. Why? It'll be controversial after all. By any chance, Alvarez have defeated triple G , what's gonna happen? I'm absolutely sure triple G will point it out on the use of drugs that's why he lost the fight. That's an easy & legit statement.
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I am heartbroken, he is my favorite fighter. I think he was setup by GGG. He is that type of a fighter.
WTF are you talking about? How did you know that it was a setup by the GGG himself or his camp? Do you have proof of that or are just completely trolling? I am heartbroken, he is my favorite fighter. I think he was setup by GGG. He is that type of a fighter.
Looks like GGG has failed the test,if you are a professional athlete you must be careful about what you intake and not to blame something else after getting caught, since you are accusing GGG i am telling that if Canelo is to win the fight he needs some booster as he is not going to last next time around as we do not even believe the judges. ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) Another one. Its Canelo not GGG who have failed the test.
The best thing to do is just to postpone the fight until the camp of Canelo really proves that they are not using steroids here. Although for me this is a honest mistake, but it already put some questions on his performance not just on their first fight but around his previous win.
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March 12, 2018, 08:57:42 PM |
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I am heartbroken, he is my favorite fighter. I think he was setup by GGG. He is that type of a fighter.
WTF are you talking about? How did you know that it was a setup by the GGG himself or his camp? Do you have proof of that or are just completely trolling? Obviously not trolling. I strongly believe that a setup is possibly made, maybe by GGG maybe not. I would be really disappointed if he took it by his own will. Who knows maybe Canelo doesn't feel ready for the fight so he took something that sustains somewhat of a banned substance to postpone the fight for a little. ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
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