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Title: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: BitJohn on October 13, 2013, 02:28:19 AM I liked the listing poll so much which coin is just plain broken....and needs to go? Here is your chance pick one that you don't like and list the reasons if a coin has valid arguments I will then create a poll listing the coins that had the best arguments for removing them. Again the poll will open after we have a list of coins with valid reasons to be considered.
Things not to put.... "Why did he pick my favorite coin?" I will delete these "Die Shitcoin die!" I will delete these "I hate all coins but CAPS!" I will delete these "Whats the weather going to be Wednesday?" I don't know "Why isn't the coin I hate mos in the list?" Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: meta.p02 on October 13, 2013, 02:42:04 AM I vote for the removal of:
Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: BitJohn on October 13, 2013, 02:43:07 AM I vote for the removal of:
Paycoin is pretty new lets try to pick ones that haven't just hit the exchange :) Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: meta.p02 on October 13, 2013, 02:46:17 AM Sure.
What are some other coins that are kind of dead right now? How about Elacoin? Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: portice on October 13, 2013, 02:49:17 AM CL, cause noone likes Russian premines or Russians in general
Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: BitJohn on October 13, 2013, 02:50:21 AM Sure. What are some other coins that are kind of dead right now? How about Elacoin? elacoin should probably make the poll. Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: BitJohn on October 13, 2013, 02:51:08 AM CL, cause noone likes Russian premines or Russians in general Again pretty new and traded elsewhere also everyone likes arbitrage.Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: loveys on October 13, 2013, 02:53:47 AM GIL,CSC,PYC
Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: BitJohn on October 13, 2013, 03:00:13 AM IF you list a coin make an argument with facts and details please.
Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: Simran on October 13, 2013, 03:04:33 AM I say anything that has some time being alive with low volume.
Any coin that has been made by Hazard(Or payed to be made by him). Anything that's obviously just a scamcoin. If I have anymore reasons, I will create a new post. Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: Oldminer on October 13, 2013, 03:09:30 AM Stable coin has done nothing since the dev disappeared some time ago.
And Royalcoin..was just a pump 'n dump. Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: claycoins on October 13, 2013, 03:27:39 AM ELC, AMC, NBL all have low hashrate sub 5mhs and no or little dev support.
Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: sam53 on October 13, 2013, 03:28:22 AM Casino coin has nothing new, and it was listed by cryptsy shortly after it is launched, it is a typical pump and dump. Now the dump is done, it is dead, I don't see any need that it is continuously be listed there.
We should put a rule that a new coin can be listed only after a week it is launched. If not enough people mine it, then there will be no trades, only dumps from devs and their friends. Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: kelsey on October 13, 2013, 06:48:07 AM saw this thread and wondered where to start?
Glad its not turned into a delist coins you troll/dislike thread, but yeah coins with no support from a dev team are just a waste of space. Math's well thought out post just above is a good start. Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: ZirconiumX on October 13, 2013, 08:26:05 AM I think QRK should be moved to LTC, since its price has dropped fairly significantly from the initial price, and there is an awful lot of them out there.
Matthew:out Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: meta.p02 on October 13, 2013, 08:38:15 AM I think we should have a separate topic for "bringing down" coins from BTC to LTC/XPM market... very low-value coins (GDC@33, QRK@135 as mentioned above, as well as STR@127, BQC@805, EMD@660, GLC@331, SBC@311)
Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: badger_hunter on October 13, 2013, 09:50:07 AM I don't think it makes much sense talking about de-listing coins as it creates instability and people will just sell off every coin which looks like it might get de-listed
The better option would be to have a league system so in the top class you would have the most respected coins like BTC, LTC, NMC, then in the next league down would be like DGC, MEG, CGB and so on to the very bottom league where you would have the most shitty coins. when a coin is not doing to well it would get relegated to a lower league and others promoted when doing well. you could have higher buy/sell fee's for the lowers leagues as their would be less interest. It could be quite a big thing when a coin is promoted, and every new coin should maybe start in the bottom league. also every coin should have a Star rating which people could vote on, would give a good idea of which are the most popular and safe investments. Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: sumantso on October 13, 2013, 11:59:14 AM CL, cause noone likes Russian premines or Russians in general Hold your horses. I have 2 CL I need to sell. Now I have to find my wallet. Just delete all those which keep on dropping and show minimal trades. I don't care useless coins being there, except the exchange remains sluggish all the time and most of these useless coins are just eating resources. Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: muddafudda on October 13, 2013, 12:14:39 PM TIX-for scam only.
Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: gica_contra on October 13, 2013, 01:20:16 PM ELC - interesting concept but it's pretty much dead in the water.
Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: HabbyGab on October 13, 2013, 02:05:10 PM TIX-for scam only. Sure, let's just delist all the coins that actually have services, active development, hashrate and no premine ::)I vote for CSC (low volume and hash), JKC (same, also the coin literally has no purpose), PYC (developer went silent after making lots of promises and not fulfilling them), PXC (Nowadays pretty much established as a thought-out scam alongside phenixex), ELP (no purpose, low hash), STR (low hash, no purpose and low volume), NBL (no purpose, near non-existant volume), EZC (near non-existant volume) I also vote on GDC being moved to LTC market. GME is pretty much the same in amount of coins produced, and it's only on the LTC market. Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: lemons on October 13, 2013, 03:08:51 PM Here is a short list with reasons. These are of my opinion and I am sure that I missed some coins. Yes to these coins: AmericanCoin (AMC) - This coin appeared during the flood of copy and paste coins a few months ago. The developer has not been on these forums since the week or so since it was released. This was an obvious copy and paste, pump and dump coin. The average hash rate is less than 1 MH or so. CasinoCoin (CSC) - The developer hasn't logged into this forum since early August and the GitHub hasn't been touched in 2-3 months. This coin appears to have no active developer or community. ElaCoin (ELC) - This coin has seen attempted revivals numerous times only to see failure. The minimum difficulty is hard coded at roughly .8, and with the minimal hashing power this coin sees, transactions may take days. Development appears to have stopped. The average hash rate is less than 1 MH or so. JunkCoin (JKC) - Its name is junk, literally. There has been no active development in quite some time. Nibble (NBL) - The coin appeared to have a decent start, but I haven't seen any development activity on the forums. The hash rate is consistently, and dangerously low at around .25 MH. RoyalCoin (RYC) - This coin appeared during the flood of copy and paste coins a few months ago. The developer has not been on these forums since the week or so since it was released and the website is now defunct. This was an obvious copy and paste, pump and dump coin. The average hash rate is around 5 MH and because of the difficulty adjustment, blocks take hours to find. StableCoin (SBC) - This one has an average hash rate the last day or so of around 10 MH, but the developer has disappeared and development has not been picked up by the remnants of the community, if one exists. XenCoin (XNC) - The developer has not been on this forum in almost two months. There is no active development. Maybe to these coins: ElephantCoin (ELP) - Again, relatively new to the exchange and depending on who you ask, this coin was possibly created by and for a group of people that have developed several other coins for the purpose of getting them listed on an exchange and then allowing the coin to diminish. This coin probably needs more time to get an accurate opinion. EZCoin (EZC) - Although the developer is somewhat active, there is not a lot going on with this coin. This one could go either way. Gil (GIL) - Is Hydroponica still supporting this coin or did he give up? If he has given up, this coin should be let go. The hash rate appears to be low. GlobalCoin (GLC) - This coin is still somewhat new on the exchange so it falls under the maybe. The coin was created using Shakezula's FooCoin template as evidenced by geocoind being left in the GitHub. The coin was just updated, however, to reduce the total number of coins significantly. This is good or bad depending who you ask. Muddafudda (launched by SistaFista) is behind this coin, which again, is good or bad depending who you ask. Mastercoin (MST) - See Gil. MemeCoin (MEM) - This coin was one of the first clones to appear and has had several issues from the start. I have no knowledge one way or the other if Muddafudda is still supporting this coin or if there is an active community. The hashrate is low at around 5 MH. MinCoin (MNC) - This more than likely won't be delisted because of the trade volume and price, but it was an obvious ploy for the developer, SuperTramp, to make some money. This coin had beginning super blocks thousands of times greater than the value of 2 they are currently. Market Switch: GrandCoin (GDC) - The individual that launched this coin has stated that this coin was created for him/her. One can infer that the member behind this coin has no ability to support and update the coin. The price has remained low and seems more suitable for the LTC market if not delisted. +1 Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: Lottery Tickets on October 13, 2013, 03:43:27 PM TIX-for scam only. Why did you touch the code then? Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: BitJohn on October 13, 2013, 03:54:27 PM for the most part this is all great feedback keep it coming
Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: tokyoghetto on October 13, 2013, 04:03:57 PM we shouldn't move coins like GDC to the LTC market. liquidity is thick and price doesn't move much. this is a good thing. Not everyone wants to trade coins with low liquidity and huge spreads.
leave GDC where it is. Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: Buffer Overflow on October 13, 2013, 04:07:42 PM Anything that's obviously just a scamcoin. Problem is if we do that Cryptsy will be a very quiet place indeed. Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: iGotSpots on October 13, 2013, 04:12:23 PM Anything with a premine or inactive dev team should get the boot
Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: tokyoghetto on October 13, 2013, 04:16:28 PM I think we should have a separate topic for "bringing down" coins from BTC to LTC/XPM market... very low-value coins (GDC@33, QRK@135 as mentioned above, as well as STR@127, BQC@805, EMD@660, GLC@331, SBC@311) I disagree. Some of these coins have low volatility. Some people actually enjoy trading this coins at these prices. Please consider the following: QRK has a marketcap of $41,000 USD. ARG has a marketcap of $8,200 USD. So what "low-value" are you speaking of? A low price doesn't mean low value. The only time a coin should be moved from the BTC market to the LTC market is when it trades really low, like when IFC was listed in BTC market and it traded at .00000001. If you know how to trade these coins, you can make serious gains. in the last 24 hours BCQ has moved from a low of 722 to a high of 926. GDC can support block trades and I don't have to move the price over 500% just to buy 1 BTC worth of GDC. Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: gnode on October 13, 2013, 04:16:57 PM I don't think it makes much sense talking about de-listing coins as it creates instability and people will just sell off every coin which looks like it might get de-listed +100 Talk of delisting a coin has a very big destabilizing effect on the coin. Why delist any coin? Reasons given in the past are low hash rate so moving coins in and out is difficult. Okay set a hash rate level that is necessary to stay listed on the exchange. Regarding dev activity, it is difficult to gage. Just because somebody doesn't log into this forum doesn't mean they are inactive. If a coin is running smoothly what else is needed. Some "services" are obvious scams so why even consider services as important? We have a lot of blowhards in the cryptsy chat, maybe we should delist their coins!!! Then we won't have to listen to them. They pretend to be active devs but they really are just trying to promote their pump and dump of a copy and paste coin. Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: Hippie Tech on October 13, 2013, 04:22:48 PM If that is the case, delist BTC. It was premined and instamined for the 2nd or 3rd time this past winter. ::)
Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: Eli0t on October 13, 2013, 04:40:20 PM ALF - has no uses
AMC - has no active dev or mining support GDC, GLX, GLC, STR - made purely for dumping SBC - dev ran off after making promises MST - just terrible in every way 1-2 month probation coins i would de list if support drops or nothing new is developed for them BUK, CSC, KGC, PYC, NEC, ELP, CENT, NET, RED coins with nostalgic value that should probably be removed BQC, BTB, BTG, LKY, JKC saying that cryptsy is still an exchange for coins that are just starting out, there are other places to be for more established coins and there's always that nice untick coin box Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: smeagol on October 13, 2013, 04:43:07 PM ALF - has no uses AMC - has no active dev or mining support GDC, GLX, GLC, STR - made purely for dumping SBC - dev ran off after making promises MST - just terrible in every way 1-2 month probation coins i would de list if support drops or nothing new is developed for them BUK, CSC, KGC, PYC, NEC, ELP, CENT, NET, RED coins with nostalgic value that should probably be removed BQC, BTB, BTG, LKY, JKC saying that cryptsy is still an exchange for coins that are just starting out, there are other places to be for more established coins and there's always that nice untick coin box Isn't cryptsy the new coin market? Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: fisheater on October 13, 2013, 06:28:50 PM ALF - has no uses AMC - has no active dev or mining support GDC, GLX, GLC, STR - made purely for dumping SBC - dev ran off after making promises MST - just terrible in every way 1-2 month probation coins i would de list if support drops or nothing new is developed for them BUK, CSC, KGC, PYC, NEC, ELP, CENT, NET, RED coins with nostalgic value that should probably be removed BQC, BTB, BTG, LKY, JKC saying that cryptsy is still an exchange for coins that are just starting out, there are other places to be for more established coins and there's always that nice untick coin box this list does not make sense to me at all. What are the facts making you to say "no use", "pure dumping" etc? These can be applied to all the alt coins, your favorites included. don't suggest a list simply because you don't like them, better put the facts there so cryptsy can make a correct judgement based on facts, not based on the imaginations. Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: sam53 on October 13, 2013, 07:04:19 PM I started a thread about delisting some time ago, it is still very relevant here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=299120.msg3206275#msg3206275 Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: Eli0t on October 14, 2013, 12:58:47 AM ALF - has no uses AMC - has no active dev or mining support GDC, GLX, GLC, STR - made purely for dumping SBC - dev ran off after making promises MST - just terrible in every way 1-2 month probation coins i would de list if support drops or nothing new is developed for them BUK, CSC, KGC, PYC, NEC, ELP, CENT, NET, RED coins with nostalgic value that should probably be removed BQC, BTB, BTG, LKY, JKC saying that cryptsy is still an exchange for coins that are just starting out, there are other places to be for more established coins and there's always that nice untick coin box this list does not make sense to me at all. What are the facts making you to say "no use", "pure dumping" etc? These can be applied to all the alt coins, your favorites included. don't suggest a list simply because you don't like them, better put the facts there so cryptsy can make a correct judgement based on facts, not based on the imaginations. Quote Here is your chance pick one that you don't like and list the reasons maybe it was a little light on reasonsTitle: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: with on October 14, 2013, 01:26:21 AM How about Zeuscoin? random blocks and No Premine.
Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: Eli0t on October 14, 2013, 01:30:26 AM How about Zeuscoin? random blocks and No Premine. this is the DE listing poll ;)Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: viboracecata on October 14, 2013, 09:09:07 AM If that is the case, delist BTC. It was premined and instamined for the 2nd or 3rd time this past winter. ::) If it happens, I will quit immediately. :-\ Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: zackclark70 on October 14, 2013, 11:12:05 AM Any coin that has some of these should never be on the exchange in the first place
instamine premine that's not accounted for inactive devs devs releasing under anon name coins with stupid names coins by devs that already have multiple coins coins with no community blatant pump and dumps Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: zackclark70 on October 14, 2013, 12:54:28 PM today I managed to get my first cryptsy chat bans after asking bitjohn a load of questions about bribes for adding coins and about whey they don't clear up the exchange
Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: BitJohn on October 14, 2013, 01:17:32 PM today I managed to get my first cryptsy chat bans after asking bitjohn a load of questions about bribes for adding coins and about whey they don't clear up the exchange You got a chat ban for going on and on how IFC, ADT and PYC were better than other coins and then at the same time telling us we should remove more coins I asked you to stop you just keep yammering on so you get a time out. Again people dont care about chat bans you would have gotten one 40x faster on other exchanges but after a while it gets old so you get a timeout. Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: zackclark70 on October 14, 2013, 01:43:40 PM today I managed to get my first cryptsy chat bans after asking bitjohn a load of questions about bribes for adding coins and about whey they don't clear up the exchange You got a chat ban for going on and on how IFC, ADT and PYC were better than other coins and then at the same time telling us we should remove more coins I asked you to stop you just keep yammering on so you get a time out. Again people dont care about chat bans you would have gotten one 40x faster on other exchanges but after a while it gets old so you get a timeout. I don't think that any coin is best I just know that those 3 coins out of the list of coins that were posted were not junk but I don't know about the others if you had read all of what I said it would have made more sence lol Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: Spoetnik on October 25, 2013, 06:00:58 PM Any coin that has some of these should never be on the exchange in the first place instamine premine that's not accounted for inactive devs devs releasing under anon name coins with stupid names coins by devs that already have multiple coins coins with no community blatant pump and dumps damn straight ! i should not have been under fire for ages because i wanted to know who made TIX for example. i happen to know by name who was involved now after fighting for teh info blood bath style for ages.. banned many times on cryptsy for asking about it too pretty much. that criteria Zack mentioned is common sense yet he had to post it because far too many coins were added that fall under it in the first place. Uncheck the checkbox does not stop this scene from spiraling down the drain either so no i don't want to hear that ;) Why is it when i asked about TIX i was told by a few orange named guys more than once they know who the TIX dev is and there for it could be added to the exchange yet the same orange colored names at cryptsy have kept giving me the same excuse for adding coins.. "USER DEMAND" why is user demand not good enough to know who the hell started the coin and yet used as an excuse to get them listed ? See the hypocrisy ? There is a scammer tag rating here and one should be added for liers.. and that is reason enough to make it mandatory for the public to know the dev is /period this is non optional as far as i'm concerned.. either i know clearly or i won't touch their crap. Hell i think it should be added on the exchange right beside the coin trade symbol etc This whole releasing coins on BCTalk is not a rule routine is a blatant attempt at scammy behavior such as when TIX and CENT had this happen both of these were flash mined by Cryptsy mods and friends and these coins were fast tracked to the exchange almost instantly in comparison to others waiting ages.. Cent on Shake's topic some random guy here made said it was a joke / experiment coin so why was it added at all ? And was is it ok to add a coin pre-released and flash mined on Cryptsy chat ? (Cent) And same crap with TIX.. this was deliberately released elsewhere in advance i have Spots logged saying it was released exclusively 4 days previously in a chat log at cryptonerd TIX was a collaboration between well known devs that release many coins under lots of names and cryptsy mods all doing their own part in the whole deal.. i have TONS of proof of this. kinda of a funny coincidence how this new market was added while adding TIX at the same time while dozens of other coin devs wait months and give up waiting.. So uuuuuuhhhh we wouldn't have to de-list any if we used some intelligence adding them in the first place lol but we ALL know that know don't we ;) Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: iGotSpots on October 25, 2013, 06:04:50 PM Any coin that has some of these should never be on the exchange in the first place instamine premine that's not accounted for inactive devs devs releasing under anon name coins with stupid names coins by devs that already have multiple coins coins with no community blatant pump and dumps damn straight ! i should not have been under fire for ages because i wanted to know who made TIX for example. i happen to know by name who was involved now after fighting for teh info blood bath style for ages.. banned many times on cryptsy for asking about it too pretty much. that criteria Zack mentioned is common sense yet he had to post it because far too many coins were added that fall under it in the first place. Uncheck the checkbox does not stop this scene from spiraling down the drain either so no i don't want to hear that ;) Why is it when i asked about TIX i was told by a few orange named guys more than once they know who the TIX dev is and there for it could be added to the exchange yet the same orange colored names at cryptsy have kept giving me the same excuse for adding coins.. "USER DEMAND" why is user demand not good enough to know who the hell started the coin and yet used as an excuse to get them listed ? See the hypocrisy ? There is a scammer tag rating here and one should be added for liers.. and that is reason enough to make it mandatory for the public to know the dev is /period this is non optional as far as i'm concerned.. either i know clearly or i won't touch their crap. Hell i think it should be added on the exchange right beside the coin trade symbol etc This whole releasing coins on BCTalk is not a rule routine is a blatant attempt at scammy behavior such as when TIX and CENT had this happen both of these were flash mined by Cryptsy mods and friends and these coins were fast tracked to the exchange almost instantly in comparison to others waiting ages.. Cent on Shake's topic some random guy here made said it was a joke / experiment coin so why was it added at all ? And was is it ok to add a coin pre-released and flash mined on Cryptsy chat ? (Cent) And same crap with TIX.. this was deliberately released elsewhere in advance i have Spots logged saying it was released exclusively 4 days previously in a chat log at cryptonerd TIX was a collaboration between well known devs that release many coins under lots of names and cryptsy mods all doing their own part in the whole deal.. i have TONS of proof of this. kinda of a funny coincidence how this new market was added while adding TIX at the same time while dozens of other coin devs wait months and give up waiting.. So uuuuuuhhhh we wouldn't have to de-list any if we used some intelligence adding them in the first place lol but we ALL know that know don't we ;) Good thing nobody cares about your opinion because your facts are way off lol go look at the cryptonerd and tickets thread time stamps for example. I didn't even bother to read all of this nonsense, so I'll only respond to the one point I actually saw before being overcome by boredom of the same lies and bullshit you've been spouting for the last 2 months Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: dfox101 on October 25, 2013, 06:28:44 PM What I found in this forum is that long paragraphs are usually junks. This is because the people who wrote it:
- don't know how to make their points, or they simply have no points to make - use long paragraph to confuse people - use long paragraph to make them looks like they have a lot of arguments - they have nothing else to do in life - they are eager to promote/defend their shit coins or to bash good ones. So I learned to read the long paragraphs in the opposite way: - if it promote/defend a coin, that coin = shit coin. - if it bashes a coin, that coin = a great one. Just to share my experiences ;D Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: smolen on October 25, 2013, 06:39:05 PM Why delist any coin? Reasons given in the past are low hash rate so moving coins in and out is difficult. Okay set a hash rate level that is necessary to stay listed on the exchange. Low difficulty coins are crying for double-spend attack, so requiring some minimum hashrate is a good idea.Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: RJ2013 on October 25, 2013, 09:06:33 PM The only real criteria that should be used is " Can Cryptsy make a profit from it" Cryptsy is a FOR PROFIT business... They're not here for the better of mankind, making a stand against big banks or any of the other 50 altruistic bullshit reasons I have seen posted in this forum as the "idea" behind any given "coin x". Profit, making money, getting rich...... <---- should be the only criteria ~BCX~ +1 just remove the least trading activities i believe Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: zackclark70 on October 26, 2013, 12:14:11 AM The only real criteria that should be used is " Can Cryptsy make a profit from it" Cryptsy is a FOR PROFIT business... They're not here for the better of mankind, making a stand against big banks or any of the other 50 altruistic bullshit reasons I have seen posted in this forum as the "idea" behind any given "coin x". Profit, making money, getting rich...... <---- should be the only criteria ~BCX~ people that only care about money are the reason the governments are the way they are if people are only doing it for the money there never going to help crypto on the long run all they will do is milk it until its dry Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: LittleDigger on October 26, 2013, 01:16:00 AM The only real criteria that should be used is " Can Cryptsy make a profit from it" Cryptsy is a FOR PROFIT business... They're not here for the better of mankind, making a stand against big banks or any of the other 50 altruistic bullshit reasons I have seen posted in this forum as the "idea" behind any given "coin x". Profit, making money, getting rich...... <---- should be the only criteria ~BCX~ I couldn't agree more.. But the question is, does Cryptsy want to make a profit over the long term or the short term ? I've spent fiat to invest in crypto, as well as spent fiat on hardware and electricity for mining. Fortunately, although I'm a lousy trader, I've been around long enough to have an idea of what I'm doing. Not everybody does though, and some will invest in a coin just to have it delisted and become a bagholder. If Cryptsy enters a cycle of listing and delisting coins and leaving bagholders then investor confidence in all crypto's will suffer. In fact it's already started to decline. I'm also a little confused.. More coins may mean more trades, which means more commisions, but more coins means less market capitialisation per coin which should mean less value per commision. In the end I think it comes down to does Cryptsy want to make profits over the short term, or possibly smaller profits for much much longer.. Given the inherrent deflationary aspect of most crypto's, a long term approach may be the most profitable. But I'm not a business man, economistic or trader... My views may be over simplistic... Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: zackclark70 on October 26, 2013, 04:44:42 AM The only real criteria that should be used is " Can Cryptsy make a profit from it" Cryptsy is a FOR PROFIT business... They're not here for the better of mankind, making a stand against big banks or any of the other 50 altruistic bullshit reasons I have seen posted in this forum as the "idea" behind any given "coin x". Profit, making money, getting rich...... <---- should be the only criteria ~BCX~ people that only care about money are the reason the governments are the way they are if people are only doing it for the money there never going to help crypto on the long run all they will do is milk it until its dry Seriously.... 99.99% of people in crypto as a whole are here for one thing, that's to make money. The idealist are the laughed at .01%. ~BCX~ one day you will realise that money is not everything Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: zackclark70 on October 26, 2013, 04:59:38 AM The only real criteria that should be used is " Can Cryptsy make a profit from it" Cryptsy is a FOR PROFIT business... They're not here for the better of mankind, making a stand against big banks or any of the other 50 altruistic bullshit reasons I have seen posted in this forum as the "idea" behind any given "coin x". Profit, making money, getting rich...... <---- should be the only criteria ~BCX~ people that only care about money are the reason the governments are the way they are if people are only doing it for the money there never going to help crypto on the long run all they will do is milk it until its dry Seriously.... 99.99% of people in crypto as a whole are here for one thing, that's to make money. The idealist are the laughed at .01%. ~BCX~ one day you will realise that money is not everything One day you will wake up and realize that he's right. if 99.99% of people are only here to make money doesn't that just make it a pyramid scheme ? Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: iGotSpots on October 26, 2013, 05:42:30 AM if 99.99% of people are only here to make money doesn't that just make it a pyramid scheme ? Ding Ding Ding we have a winner.... Miners by year 2009 2010 2010 2010 2011 2011 2011 2011 2011 2012 2012 2012 2012 2012 2012 2012 2013 2013 2013 2013 2013 2013 2013 2013 2013 every body else that has a gpu card and a wet dream including you ~BCX~ That's not what a pyramid scheme is at all. That is just what advertising does Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: iGotSpots on October 27, 2013, 12:45:32 AM if 99.99% of people are only here to make money doesn't that just make it a pyramid scheme ? Ding Ding Ding we have a winner.... Miners by year 2009 2010 2010 2010 2011 2011 2011 2011 2011 2012 2012 2012 2012 2012 2012 2012 2013 2013 2013 2013 2013 2013 2013 2013 2013 every body else that has a gpu card and a wet dream including you ~BCX~ That's not what a pyramid scheme is at all. That is just what advertising does It's almost exactly what a pyramid scheme is. The early birds get rich, and the later ones get fucked. It's almost the exact opposite, actually. Otherwise you would basically be calling every stock that went from a penny to a dollar a pyramid scheme, which they quite obviously are not Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: like on October 27, 2013, 01:04:36 AM 黑平台，骗子平台！
Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: Spoetnik on October 27, 2013, 01:33:24 AM The only real criteria that should be used is " Can Cryptsy make a profit from it" Cryptsy is a FOR PROFIT business... They're not here for the better of mankind, making a stand against big banks or any of the other 50 altruistic bullshit reasons I have seen posted in this forum as the "idea" behind any given "coin x". Profit, making money, getting rich...... <---- should be the only criteria ~BCX~ people that only care about money are the reason the governments are the way they are if people are only doing it for the money there never going to help crypto on the long run all they will do is milk it until its dry Seriously.... 99.99% of people in crypto as a whole are here for one thing, that's to make money. The idealist are the laughed at .01%. ~BCX~ i can't argue with that.. the atraction for me here (altcoin scene) was being able to make some money.. i won't even try and deny that. lol But lets be real here you can't say all coin devs and their goals are equal.. there is wolves among the sheep ..hiding ..always and when it comes time to add or delist coins is not important which ones have worked with integrity and which have not ? making money is not evil.. i have no problem with that. But i don't deal with banks who have their tellers wearing gloves and sky masks to protect their identity (aka: coin devs who need to lurk around in secrecy) anyway there is a couple guys that went to a lot of trouble to post the info here requested and i see no point in repeating it.. i agree 100% with the other guys earlier here when they mentioned which coins by name should be removed and why.. the reasons seemed solid and i have my vote as YES me too i agree ! i also agree with BJ when he said that one coin was just recently added.. good point.. give it a chance (i have none of them and prob never will but i like fairness) What to remove ? hmmm what i want removed and what *should be removed are two separate things ..a good point here to bring up is once one of these coins has taken off it gets investors and its not fair to them to yank the plug which is why i get bothered when say TIX was added.. Now that its on there yeah i would love to see it removed but in reality its been invested in by legit people so i say no leave it on there.. Once a coin is added to an exchange is fair game for trading i think. Some of these coins have a bad history but that is not the whole issue. Pretty sure NVC is a long bad story yet its popular and worth a lot.. What is needed is some GUIDELINES by Cryptsy intended for coins devs. A criteria of sorts for them to aim for.. NOT rules.. i did not say that ! Hell just create a topic here and make a list of thing you want from the devs and that should help a lot and its simple. say for example. Wanted / Requested Coin Features --------------------------------- - Github page with source code for all wallets and miners etc. - A publicly known Coin dev identity / persona / alias - A minimum amount of time for the coin to exist. you guys get the idea.. its all common sense.. and you know what ? so is this topic ..... your answer is the same thing i just posted for Coin's added guidleines.. if they don't meet those THEN REMOVE THEM . or.... let's get creative making excuses as usual lol Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: iGotSpots on October 27, 2013, 01:35:56 AM The crazy has come to bitcointalk
Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: valley365 on October 27, 2013, 03:30:15 AM What I found in this forum is that long paragraphs are usually junks. This is because the people who wrote it: - don't know how to make their points, or they simply have no points to make - use long paragraph to confuse people - use long paragraph to make them looks like they have a lot of arguments - they have nothing else to do in life - they are eager to promote/defend their shit coins or to bash good ones. So I learned to read the long paragraphs in the opposite way: - if it promote/defend a coin, that coin = shit coin. - if it bashes a coin, that coin = a great one. Just to share my experiences ;D Well said, we have so many examples... Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: Slingshot on October 27, 2013, 03:56:21 AM Maybe going forward, starting from right here and now many of these idea's and suggestions posted would be wise for new arrivals.
But what about those that are already listed, and have already been traded? Those traders that hold those crypto-currencies will be left in the cold, as will those currencies likely gravely hammered. Doesn't seem fitting, nor like smart business either. I joined and put my trust and faith in Cryptsy for exactly the very reason that their willing to list the widest selection of coins while doing their level best to comply with a regulations and rules in the land their in, the same land I am in. (the USA). Suddenly doing an about face with their existing business model would have me running for cover and not able to trust them very much anymore. Picking and choosing what to list is one thing, but de-listing should be left to the marketplace itself. In other words let their values fall to almost zero, at a predetermined price, much like stock exchanges have in place, before being de-listed, for ones that were fortunate enough to get listed in the first place. Sure we all know here that their are many 'crap-coins' and such. And going forward yes Crypsy may want to establish more firm rules for getting listed in the first place. Seems like a great idea, Going Forward. But not retro-actively for existing listings that likely should be merely Grandfathered in place and let the real Free Market deal with them as it cares to do so with set. to be determined minimum price levels before their able to be de-listed from future trading. Some suddenly are here asking our Exchange to in essence regulate and restrict the marketplace somewhat arbitrarily. Maybe they have great intentions but it's a very slippery slope! Caveat emptor - let the buyer beware! Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: LittleDigger on October 27, 2013, 06:25:00 AM Maybe going forward, starting from right here and now many of these idea's and suggestions posted would be wise for new arrivals. But what about those that are already listed, and have already been traded? Those traders that hold those crypto-currencies will be left in the cold, as will those currencies likely gravely hammered. Doesn't seem fitting, nor like smart business either. I joined and put my trust and faith in Cryptsy for exactly the very reason that their willing to list the widest selection of coins while doing their level best to comply with a regulations and rules in the land their in, the same land I am in. (the USA). Suddenly doing an about face with their existing business model would have me running for cover and not able to trust them very much anymore. Picking and choosing what to list is one thing, but de-listing should be left to the marketplace itself. In other words let their values fall to almost zero, at a predetermined price, much like stock exchanges have in place, before being de-listed, for ones that were fortunate enough to get listed in the first place. Sure we all know here that their are many 'crap-coins' and such. And going forward yes Crypsy may want to establish more firm rules for getting listed in the first place. Seems like a great idea, Going Forward. But not retro-actively for existing listings that likely should be merely Grandfathered in place and let the real Free Market deal with them as it cares to do so with set. to be determined minimum price levels before their able to be de-listed from future trading. Some suddenly are here asking our Exchange to in essence regulate and restrict the marketplace somewhat arbitrarily. Maybe they have great intentions but it's a very slippery slope! Caveat emptor - let the buyer beware! I can't help but point out that they do regulate and restrict the marketplace.. If they didn't they would add every coin... And if they added every coin they would oversaturate the marketplace... The question then, is by which criteria do they decide to list a coin, because if they do it arbitrarily, they would end up listing cryptocurrencies with little value as currencies, and having no commericial value, those currencies would fail and then be worthless, and require a delisting process. Perhaps, instead of bringing out new "currencies", developers should take an existing currency with no development, such as royalcoin buy it up, mine it and develop it... . Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: Spoetnik on October 27, 2013, 11:01:53 AM The crazy has come to bitcointalk oh by the way i would appreciate it if you could keep your unprofessional "business man" Trolling confined to Cryptsy chat.. I would expect better from a guy who runs around bragging to be a certified Mensa genius lol This spots character is a lyer and a thief and a scammer and worst of a Troll and usually has nothing to contribute but snotty comments AND THAT is why some of you out there are on my shit list.. you guys know better ..you watch him pull stunt after stunt yet still work with him ? gimme a break.. suffer the consequences. I sneeze at Cryptsy and they dive on me this guy pull stunts non stop and they play dumb about it all.. And yea i can and have proven my statements far too many times.. so much i have been banned for proving it many times because they quote / unquote don't want to here it.. so take your pick guys ..you can't have it both ways. Last thing this guy did was steal coins and offer them to BigVern basically.. I watched him offer to help r3wt get a super block to revive his coin NAN and when Spots got the block he said, I got the block but it turned out to be an orphan and i don't know who got it.. About 24 hrs later i watched Spots in front of us all on Cryptsy chat offer the super block he was supposedly trying to get as a favor to r3wt to BigVern and he said word for word that he got it and that he was holding it for only BigVern and that he does not trust r3wt with it and won't give it to anyone else.. And later i told r3wt and he made excuses for Spots ..wow some people like getting stabbed in the back lol So yeah that is what i call theft and to go along wit this "business mans" Trolling lies and threats i would call that stealing etc This "business man" has called me a fag in front of mods endlessly while they pretend they didn't see it and if i respond they ban me.. Even after i have posted such things as the 3/4 pm's this Mensa genius" has sent me swearing at me and thretening me with a lawsuits. combined with threats that he was rich and knew who i was and could "come get me".. So uhhh your gonna beat me up and sue me ? Who is the crazy one ? hhhhhhhhhhmmmmmm ? Spots you need to learn to shut your mouth Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: erk on October 27, 2013, 12:28:09 PM Just goes to show you how many junk coins are out there nowadays, which only makes support work for the exchanges with little return.
If I was Cryptsy I would look at the last months volume of each coin, set a minimum BTC volume they should have achived, and suspend any that didn't make that minimum. I figure a month is long enough to see if a coin is still alive. You don't need a poll, you could auto script it. Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: kelsey on October 27, 2013, 12:34:33 PM The only real criteria that should be used is " Can Cryptsy make a profit from it" Cryptsy is a FOR PROFIT business... They're not here for the better of mankind, making a stand against big banks or any of the other 50 altruistic bullshit reasons I have seen posted in this forum as the "idea" behind any given "coin x". Profit, making money, getting rich...... <---- should be the only criteria ~BCX~ very short sighted business model. best idea for longterm viability is not to make such a joke out of cryptos by listing every scam/joke coin that comes along. Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: kelsey on October 27, 2013, 12:37:16 PM this threads looking like the hardcopy version of cryptsy chat ::)
Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: exnom on October 27, 2013, 03:00:20 PM I joined and put my trust and faith in Cryptsy for exactly the very reason that their willing to list the widest selection of coins while doing their level best to comply with a regulations and rules in the land their in, the same land I am in. (the USA). Suddenly doing an about face with their existing business model would have me running for cover and not able to trust them very much anymore. Amen and +1 to that statement. Maybe use the BTC/LTC/XPM markets more, move coins from market X to market Y depending on Z factor/factors. No point in having coins listed on 2 or 3 markets.. Remove some of the really dead ones and move in a bunch of new ones. Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: digitalindustry on October 27, 2013, 04:19:55 PM if 99.99% of people are only here to make money doesn't that just make it a pyramid scheme ? Ding Ding Ding we have a winner.... Miners by year 2009 2010 2010 2010 2011 2011 2011 2011 2011 2012 2012 2012 2012 2012 2012 2012 2013 2013 2013 2013 2013 2013 2013 2013 2013 every body else that has a gpu card and a wet dream including you ~BCX~ Dam I love it , but I like pyramids generally. Good post . Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: digitalindustry on October 27, 2013, 04:29:32 PM Just goes to show you how many junk coins are out there nowadays, which only makes support work for the exchanges with little return. If I was Cryptsy I would look at the last months volume of each coin, set a minimum BTC volume they should have achived, and suspend any that didn't make that minimum. I figure a month is long enough to see if a coin is still alive. You don't need a poll, you could auto script it. This not a bad idea . Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: kelsey on October 27, 2013, 09:25:45 PM The only real criteria that should be used is " Can Cryptsy make a profit from it" Cryptsy is a FOR PROFIT business... They're not here for the better of mankind, making a stand against big banks or any of the other 50 altruistic bullshit reasons I have seen posted in this forum as the "idea" behind any given "coin x". Profit, making money, getting rich...... <---- should be the only criteria ~BCX~ very short sighted business model. best idea for longterm viability is not to make such a joke out of cryptos by listing every scam/joke coin that comes along. That's the POINT of Cryptsy. No one would put up with how buggy it is if it wasn't the only place to trade shitcoins. Fixing your typo That's the POINT of Cryptsy. No one would put up with how buggy it is if it wasn't the only place to Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: Slingshot on October 29, 2013, 12:05:40 AM Only Prudent Regulations are sensible. Not self serving ones.
Caveat emptor - let the buyer beware! Title: Re: [Official] Cryptsy Delisting Poll Post by: Slingshot on October 29, 2013, 12:37:38 AM A Trading Exchange such as Cryptsy evolving into a Selective Exchange at the request of a minority screams in the face of it's very business model to date.
Of course it's entirely up to Cryptsy. And I for one have put my faith and trust in only them as my own Trading Exchange (so far) for the very business model they selected from the outset. But I wont be supporting Trading Exchanges that don't follow a Open & Fair Free Market Agenda. A REAL one. Not a controlled marketplace where winners are selected and chosen, others singled out for what amounts to termination without just cause, especially by a small minority, unless it happens to follow a well defined set of prudent Rules & Regulations. Rules, Regulations, Stipulations are all fine. Set them up. Have a guide to follow. Put them in writing. Cryptsy can make judgement calls if needed. But de-listing any currency unless truly required by Cryptsy's own Rules, Regulations, Stipulations is merely a self serving witch hunt no matter what the best of intentions may have been. No, I don't support the majority of crypto-currencies at Cryptsy. Not hardly. But I do only support Free Market Capitalism. Real Free Markets, and their Businesses. Some here don't seem to support anything but their own interests. Cryptsy asking all of us here what to list and de-list is also very likely not extremely wise. There are far too many self-serving interests here. Maybe merely asking what kind of rules, regulations and stipulations here would be far wiser. Please, consider working on PRUDENT regulations and rules. Not overburdening, or overbearing ones. List idea's here, or start a new tread. Make it so we can reasonably trim the fat, so to speak, ever so slowly. So that those that are stuck with dying currencies at least have a time limit to either get out of them, or hold them as they choose to. What does concern me, and hopefully a lot of others is having a broad crypto-currency Exchange that allows us all to trade any and all viable crypto-currencies that each have any real market value. Higher demand, or lower demand doesn't matter. It's market value per unit is the key to look to for this. Below a preset threshold value it should maybe be up for being de-listed. but only after it fails to rise back up over that level after a certain amount of time has gone by. Say 30, 60, or 90 days. This is basically what the stock market exchanges do in case anyone is wondering. But if it's not worth Cryptsy's efforts to extend their business to the lowest demand types that would also be fine too. It's their business after all. But seeing as how the costs of services are close to zero when on top of all their other offerings it seems wiser to choose to take whatever meager profits there are from those trades too, which would directly add to any net profits, over and above all other net profits. End result is pure gravy on top per say. Not much maybe, but all gravy. Caveat emptor - let the buyer beware! |