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Title: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: 1C6fV5DtakfKANLJ8GUV7hCaA on March 15, 2018, 03:34:06 AM
These bans are having a real bad effect on the crypto ecosystem. We should act and do something.

Someone start a project on creating decentralized net or something. Also, some ad services that are crypto friendly and stuff.

We need hardware for infrastructure to beat Google for crypto's sake. Anyone got an idea?


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: pooya87 on March 15, 2018, 03:37:59 AM
what does ending manipulation have to do anything with creating a crypto focused ad network?

the fact that someone bans bitcoin or bitcoin related stuff should not even matter to anyone as long as they understand that centralized entities have no effect on decentralized bitcoin.
and as for manipulation it will happen as long as people pay attention to the nonsense and also as long as the exchanges are risky places so that people don't stay on them, effectively making them small with thin order books. that helps a mini whale to dump and cause panic.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: mk4 on March 15, 2018, 03:45:23 AM
The ban is actually a good thing in my opinion. So much shitty ICOs and phishing advertisements. The prices just goes nuts just because people panic about every bad news they see, even though the news is actually somewhat irrelevant. It's the people's mindsets that should actually be changed.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: whoisyourking on March 15, 2018, 05:21:55 AM
These bans are having a real bad effect on the crypto ecosystem. We should act and do something.

Someone start a project on creating decentralized net or something. Also, some ad services that are crypto friendly and stuff.

We need hardware for infrastructure to beat Google for crypto's sake. Anyone got an idea?

The population of people that involve in bitcoin or crypto currency still remain, but the promotion and the number of users who are entering in crypto world are decreasing because of the banned, we should accept the fact that google has a huge part in promoting crypto. this is huge down fall.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: dillpicklechips on March 15, 2018, 05:38:02 AM
...and as for manipulation it will happen as long as people pay attention to the nonsense and also as long as the exchanges are risky places so that people don't stay on them, effectively making them small with thin order books. that helps a mini whale to dump and cause panic.
This is the problem with some of the people who are quiet easily swayed by FUDs but, on the other hand, it open up a new opportunity for those to ride the train they missed out last year.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: Kakmakr on March 15, 2018, 05:41:23 AM
People should just shift their advertising to crypto currency forums like Bitcointalk.org and other social platforms, where Crypto currencies are welcomed. They should also protest against this decision. A blanket ban on Crypto & ICO advertising is totally bullshit.

You only ban something, if you cannot manage it. If the SEC regulated ICOs and you could differentiate between the good and the bad ICOs, then this would not have been banned.  


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: Ondongeric18 on March 15, 2018, 05:49:38 AM
This move is making the digital currency world obviously in danger. As of this posting the value of BTC is below 8000$. I think they are making the line thinner for this type of currency. If they are manipulating as said, could it be that they are also trying to implement their own digital currency later should BTC lost against it? Well if this is the case will just wait and see.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: gantez on March 15, 2018, 05:53:10 AM
People should just shift their advertising to crypto currency forums like Bitcointalk.org and other social platforms, where Crypto currencies are welcomed.

You only ban something, if you cannot manage it. If the SEC regulated ICOs and you could differentiate between the good and the bad ICOs.  


You have made a very valid and important point. Bitcointalk.org is a very supportive site for bitcoin and cryptocurrency. People should look into this direction and forget google for now, I tell you google will be the one to come around just like China has been trying to do.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: UAE Seasider on March 15, 2018, 05:56:55 AM
Creating a futures contract for Bitcoin was probably the worst thing that could have happened to the crypto space. I would humbly suggest the majority of the manipulation stems from this and the fact people can bet on and then act in ways to make their predictions come true. The MSM has given a platform to push the price in one direction or another depending on good news or bad. So unless everyone turns off the news, doesn't read newspaper or internet articles we are stuck with it.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: not-a-bot on March 15, 2018, 06:08:19 AM
These bans are having a real bad effect on the crypto ecosystem. We should act and do something.

Someone start a project on creating decentralized net or something. Also, some ad services that are crypto friendly and stuff.

We need hardware for infrastructure to beat Google for crypto's sake. Anyone got an idea?

The idea, you are looking for is pretty good. I'm in And yes you should have servers over the world for it, to eliminate Google & FB effect. It should be decentralised  and be supported servers' owners like they do it in TOR. I suppose it could be a kind of complicated Ethereum smart contract for everyone who wish to join in. Every server owner or  website owner placing a code instead of Google Ad, uploading his wallet ID to a smart contract, and that's it.He starts to get crypto. Everyone who wants to place an advertisement should also upload his wallet to smart contract and than get access to placing ad in the network. The smart contract will automatically check adverts for restrictions, ballance, local settings etc. That is a great idea leaves no chance to Google and others. They  will probably join later, but after accepting our conditions! Don't forget me as Co-founder when you start to create it :-)


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: Loveboard on March 15, 2018, 06:11:05 AM
Did u even read the ad ban info ? They're trying to weed out the scamming ads that steal people's money.

They're trying to make it so that only legit crypto companies get picked as ads.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: AfterTheFork on March 15, 2018, 06:13:20 AM
what does ending manipulation have to do anything with creating a crypto focused ad network?

the fact that someone bans bitcoin or bitcoin related stuff should not even matter to anyone as long as they understand that centralized entities have no effect on decentralized bitcoin.
and as for manipulation it will happen as long as people pay attention to the nonsense and also as long as the exchanges are risky places so that people don't stay on them, effectively making them small with thin order books. that helps a mini whale to dump and cause panic.

True but again if there is no awareness campaigns then how will we attract more investors to crypro, or do we assume that crypto doesn't need anymore fresh investors?


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: simaislam on March 15, 2018, 06:15:31 AM
The fact that someone bans bitcoin or bitcoin related stuff should not even matter to anyone as long as they understand that centralized entities have no effect on decentralized bitcoin and as for manipulation it will happen as long as people pay attention to the nonsense and also as long as the exchanges are risky places so that people don't stay on them, effectively making them small with thin order books. that helps a mini whale to dump and cause panic.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: malikusama on March 15, 2018, 06:20:29 AM
Don’t feed the whales by selling your bitcoins at low prices, hold them for a long time is the only solution to reduce the manipulation effect in the market.
Bans can’t increase the effect of manipulation until the community is strong.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: not-a-bot on March 15, 2018, 06:22:01 AM
Did u even read the ad ban info ? They're trying to weed out the scamming ads that steal people's money.

They're trying to make it so that only legit crypto companies get picked as ads.
That is a manipulation, TS was talking about. Don't you understand that Google and others now trying to be a decision making Center for Decentralised blockchain.
They already made this to Internet, and some good web projects like Jullian Assanges' Wikileaks could freely get and send information only through TOR network. Now they want to Centralize and to manipulate crypto market.
That's what we should understand and to create something alternative.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: TradeCrypto on March 15, 2018, 06:23:03 AM
Brother i can understand your scenario its not about googles ban or any other platform Ban its about whales they are simply dumping for their gain . Even Fact is google and Facebook advertisement ban good for Crypto world .


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: maydna on March 15, 2018, 08:38:31 AM
These bans are having a real bad effect on the crypto ecosystem. We should act and do something.

Someone start a project on creating decentralized net or something. Also, some ad services that are crypto friendly and stuff.

We need hardware for infrastructure to beat Google for crypto's sake. Anyone got an idea?

I don't have any idea about this because as far as I know, google is trying to conquer internet with their power and I think they can do this because they have a good source and they have infrastructure too. but I don't think that google can make the cryptocurrency stop because if we talk about cryptocurrency, it is about all people in every country and cryptocurrency have the power and if google cannot accept cryptocurrency then I think google will get off from the internet.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: frowsiter on March 15, 2018, 01:46:28 PM
These bans are having a real bad effect on the crypto ecosystem. We should act and do something.

Someone start a project on creating decentralized net or something. Also, some ad services that are crypto friendly and stuff.

We need hardware for infrastructure to beat Google for crypto's sake. Anyone got an idea?

I think the internet we use is sufficient enough to sustain the ecosystem of the decentralised ecosystem itself. The crypto currencies are actually running over the blockchain which is decentralised and thus adding another layer to it makes no sense to me and it wont help really. Internet is just medium via which the thing are transmitted from one point to another.

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some ad services that are crypto friendly and stuff.

There are already big platforms which are serving this industry the only thing people go for using the Google is they are wide spread and they are really really old stuff. They have earned big trust and that is what making them work so finely and I believe nothing else can compete it. So the only thing we can do is either do it on these platform or do it the traditional ways.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: paulmaritz on March 15, 2018, 02:02:12 PM
These bans are having a real bad effect on the crypto ecosystem. We should act and do something.

Someone start a project on creating decentralized net or something. Also, some ad services that are crypto friendly and stuff.

We need hardware for infrastructure to beat Google for crypto's sake. Anyone got an idea?

I couldn't agree more. My position on the matter is stated here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3126191.0

They are hoping that we are going to acccept it without a fight. They are pretty quick going to learn that they have very little authority left over us. They've gone too far.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: 9jaflick on March 15, 2018, 02:55:43 PM
These bans are having a real bad effect on the crypto ecosystem. We should act and do something.

Someone start a project on creating decentralized net or something. Also, some ad services that are crypto friendly and stuff.

We need hardware for infrastructure to beat Google for crypto's sake. Anyone got an idea?

The idea, you are looking for is pretty good. I'm in And yes you should have servers over the world for it, to eliminate Google & FB effect. It should be decentralised  and be supported servers' owners like they do it in TOR. I suppose it could be a kind of complicated Ethereum smart contract for everyone who wish to join in. Every server owner or  website owner placing a code instead of Google Ad, uploading his wallet ID to a smart contract, and that's it.He starts to get crypto. Everyone who wants to place an advertisement should also upload his wallet to smart contract and than get access to placing ad in the network. The smart contract will automatically check adverts for restrictions, ballance, local settings etc. That is a great idea leaves no chance to Google and others. They  will probably join later, but after accepting our conditions! Don't forget me as Co-founder when you start to create it :-)
hmmm, nice idea, but developing this service is not as easy as you think, it requires a lot of efforts and also it requires wide spread (ads) how do you do this when Google and Facebook has already ban ads? twitter is next in line


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: VirusTeam on March 15, 2018, 03:10:38 PM
it is unlikely that a simple people can do something, one must have the knowledge of experience and opportunity)


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: BADecker on March 15, 2018, 03:26:25 PM
The only way to end manipulation is to go all the way with Bitcoin. This will eliminate governments because they all rely on fiat, and the manipulation will end along with them.

8)


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: 1C6fV5DtakfKANLJ8GUV7hCaA on March 16, 2018, 03:21:45 PM
These bans are having a real bad effect on the crypto ecosystem. We should act and do something.

Someone start a project on creating decentralized net or something. Also, some ad services that are crypto friendly and stuff.

We need hardware for infrastructure to beat Google for crypto's sake. Anyone got an idea?

The idea, you are looking for is pretty good. I'm in And yes you should have servers over the world for it, to eliminate Google & FB effect. It should be decentralised  and be supported servers' owners like they do it in TOR. I suppose it could be a kind of complicated Ethereum smart contract for everyone who wish to join in. Every server owner or  website owner placing a code instead of Google Ad, uploading his wallet ID to a smart contract, and that's it.He starts to get crypto. Everyone who wants to place an advertisement should also upload his wallet to smart contract and than get access to placing ad in the network. The smart contract will automatically check adverts for restrictions, ballance, local settings etc. That is a great idea leaves no chance to Google and others. They  will probably join later, but after accepting our conditions! Don't forget me as Co-founder when you start to create it :-)

You got it on point! I really hope someone would start the initiative on doing just what you said. A day will come when people will realize that it's not just really about the money. This is a critical phase of our evolution where we get to return power to the masses. These bans and manipulations are the cause of all turmoil on this world we're in.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: bitcoinmaniac52 on March 17, 2018, 10:27:21 PM
Ending manipulation by bans and regulations would mean we would all have to move completely away from fiat and start using bitcoin as our major currency for the normal day to day purchases in our lives. This is highly unlikely at this point but could be possible in the future so for now we are just going to have to stomach the manipulations and brave through it.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: wolfracer on March 17, 2018, 10:34:00 PM
The ban is actually a good thing in my opinion. So much shitty ICOs and phishing advertisements. The prices just goes nuts just because people panic about every bad news they see, even though the news is actually somewhat irrelevant. It's the people's mindsets that should actually be changed.

I'm totally agree with you those bans are great for us there are plenty shitty ICOS that hurt our ecosystem and scam people, this decision is aimed to make clear rules. In the long run this will benefit most of us.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: biascoin on March 17, 2018, 10:36:41 PM
THE ONLY MANIPULATION HERE IS THE ONE FROM BITCOIN BAGHOLDERS SPREADING FOMO AND INDOCTRINATING OTHERS TO EMBRACE WHILE THEY HODL TO CASH IN.

The only reason why Bitcoin drops is because people are selling.



Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: vk279 on March 17, 2018, 10:41:24 PM
These bans are having a real bad effect on the crypto ecosystem. We should act and do something.

Someone start a project on creating decentralized net or something. Also, some ad services that are crypto friendly and stuff.

We need hardware for infrastructure to beat Google for crypto's sake. Anyone got an idea?
Markets go up and down.  They go in to mania phase and eventually they fall.  That is the nature of all the markets. Manipulation happens in every market whether its stocks or commodities or something else but they can be manipulated only upto certain extent.  IMHO we don't need to do anything.  Trade, invest and make money.  It will resolve itself and go much higher in the near future.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: brickafterbrickwalldpt on March 17, 2018, 10:46:32 PM
Manipulation of what? We can't stop governments from regulating and banning Bitcoin. It will be even better for us to let them regulate crypto to fiat exchange. I will keep trading my crypto anyway without worrying about it much. There are a few project of new decentralised Internet. The most known one is I2P which I haven't used, give it a go.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: Nevkeke on March 17, 2018, 10:47:06 PM
I agree with you. Because bad news at everywhere. For example a fraud happened recently and the name of the swindlers is associated with bitcoin at some tv channels and news. it makes bitcoin look bad. But the swindle was not related to bitcoin. is it intentionally?


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: Getcoinsite on March 17, 2018, 10:47:41 PM
The ban is actually a good thing in my opinion. So much shitty ICOs and phishing advertisements. The prices just goes nuts just because people panic about every bad news they see, even though the news is actually somewhat irrelevant. It's the people's mindsets that should actually be changed.
great point there,thats the better action we must do,the mindset of every individuals in times like this,when bad news comes we should not panicked and stay intact supporting your coins,trust out its capability to recovers..when we buy our folios we have faith that will brinus profit,so lets stay as this and never be affected of fuds and bad news


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: Derbi Fransisco on March 17, 2018, 11:14:09 PM
Perhaps this is one way the government to narrow the space for advertising about crypto that unsettles the government that is thought to be troubling the world of banking. Maybe this is only intended for advertising not for this forum, so we do not panic.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: Sergey190785 on March 18, 2018, 10:41:52 AM
While bitcoin and other crypto-currencies will not be under the control of states, such manipulations will take place.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: moynul2050 on March 18, 2018, 11:06:43 AM
These bans are having a real bad effect on the crypto ecosystem. We should act and do something.

Someone start a project on creating decentralized net or something. Also, some ad services that are crypto friendly and stuff.

We need hardware for infrastructure to beat Google for crypto's sake. Anyone got an idea?

The idea, you are looking for is pretty good. I'm in And yes you should have servers over the world for it, to eliminate Google & FB effect. It should be decentralised  and be supported servers' owners like they do it in TOR. I suppose it could be a kind of complicated Ethereum smart contract for everyone who wish to join in. Every server owner or  website owner placing a code instead of Google Ad, uploading his wallet ID to a smart contract, and that's it.He starts to get crypto. Everyone who wants to place an advertisement should also upload his wallet to smart contract and than get access to placing ad in the network. The smart contract will automatically check adverts for restrictions, ballance, local settings etc. That is a great idea leaves no chance to Google and others. They  will probably join later, but after accepting our conditions! Don't forget me as Co-founder when you start to create it :-)
hmmm, nice idea, but developing this service is not as easy as you think, it requires a lot of efforts and also it requires wide spread (ads) how do you do this when Google and Facebook has already ban ads? twitter is next in line
I'm not sure twitter will do the same.
there are still many other media to spread the ads, we just do not panic and stay calm.
Panic only makes things worse.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: aioc on March 18, 2018, 11:25:34 AM
These bans are having a real bad effect on the crypto ecosystem. We should act and do something.

Someone start a project on creating decentralized net or something. Also, some ad services that are crypto friendly and stuff.

We need hardware for infrastructure to beat Google for crypto's sake. Anyone got an idea?

I'm sure big cryptocurrency related company is now thinking to set up an advertising company that is Cryptocurrency related ads to compete with Google, cryptocurrency is now the big news and the biggest innovation you have to join because you cannot beat it.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: longwintershere on March 18, 2018, 11:47:03 AM
These bans are having a real bad effect on the crypto ecosystem. We should act and do something.

Someone start a project on creating decentralized net or something. Also, some ad services that are crypto friendly and stuff.

We need hardware for infrastructure to beat Google for crypto's sake. Anyone got an idea?

it's really funny to see some centralized media ads bans causing the downtrend when it's only the proof that we need blockchain and cryptocurrencies more than ever before, exactly for these reasons.


Title: Re: TIME TO END MANIPULATION
Post by: Thanasis on March 18, 2018, 11:55:09 AM
These bans are having a real bad effect on the crypto ecosystem. We should act and do something.

Someone start a project on creating decentralized net or something. Also, some ad services that are crypto friendly and stuff.

We need hardware for infrastructure to beat Google for crypto's sake. Anyone got an idea?
I don't think google and facebook are the big advertisement platforms for crypto related services,we already have bitcointalk which is the best place to advertise about crypto currency and you can see there are lots of signature campaigns are started everyday.
But it is an good idea create an seprate search engine for the crypto related services but who will do this it needs lots of funds to start this kind of service.