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Title: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] Alternative SpectreCoin wallet - Community driven
Post by: Gandalf86 on April 22, 2018, 06:41:04 PM

Links

  • New ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5039051.0
  • Discord invite: https://discordapp.com/invite/2YUewTX
  • Github Home: https://github.com/wispproject
  • Documentation Wiki: https://github.com/wispproject/doc/wiki
  • FAQ: https://github.com/wispproject/doc/wiki/FAQ
  • Twitter: https://twitter.com/WISP_Project


Overview

The Wisp Project is an initiative of Spectrecoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4434053.0) (XSPEC) users who disagree with certain developments happening in the official Spectrecoin client (https://github.com/spectrecoin/spectre). With the return of the original founder Mandica to Spectrecoin, the development process has turned into a top-down development style directed by Mandica, and different ways of enforcing development fees from Spectrecoin users in order to fund development have been discussed. At the Wisp Project, we believe that a cryptocurrency should be controlled by its users and not by a central authority.

For that reason, we have dedicated ourselves to providing an alternative Spectrecoin wallet that features an open decision process and does not force its users to provide funding for development, even though we encourage every user to do so in his or her own interest! We figured that going this path is the most straightforward way to turn our vision of Spectrecoin into reality.

There have also been discussions about a possible blockchain fork. If the Spectrecoin team decides to implement a hardfork to enforce development fees via the protocol, the Wisp Project will NOT support that fork, meaning that Wisp and Spectrecoin would split into two independent projects, where Wisp will maintain the original protocol. The ticker for our side of the fork will be [WISP] then. More information will be added as things progress. Since this forum is about altcoins, this thread will remain a "PRE-ANN" until a blockchain fork happens.

Update: The Spectrecoin hardfork is scheduled for 21/08/2018, 22:00 GMT!

Update: The XSPEC hardfork has happened smoothly. Now Wisp is running on the old Spectrecoin chain, every user who uses a Spectrecoin wallet before version 2.0 (1.4 and older) uses the chain that will be branded as WISP. An official announcement for this coin will follow after a independent Wisp wallet has been created by our volunteer community members.  8)

Update: Here is the new ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5039051.0 This thread will be locked, please continue on the new thread.


About SpectreCoin

Please refer to the official SpectreCoin ANN for more information about SpectreCoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4434053.0

Simply put, SpectreCoin is based on the ShadowCash (SDC) codebase. It was started in 2016 with the goal of continuing and extending the idea of (now defunct) ShadowCash. SpectreCoin is a general-purpose privacy-focused cryptocurrency that uses a relatively simple yet sophisticated technique for achieving anonymity, by combining stealth addresses and ring signatures. SpectreCoin was an ICO but raised only a small amount of money, so nowadays other ways of achieving continuous development have to be found.


About Wisp

Wisp has basically the same goals as SpectreCoin, the main difference is that SpectreCoin has a development fee included (16.6% of all block rewards going to the founder of SpectreCoin), while the Wisp users refuse to pay such a fee. At Wisp we are following the core ideals of Bitcoin and decentralized currencies, which also means rejecting centralized authorities and centralized development processes. We want SpectreCoin to be a top-notch privacy-supporting currency that brings the necessary social, cultural and economic changes to our society. We are advocating diversity and federation, which is one of the reasons why we are making an alternative XSPEC wallet.

We're an open community, everybody is welcome to join and start contributing right away. Please check out our Discord (invite link above).


Roadmap

Since Wisp is not lead by a dedicated team but is a joint effort between community members, there is no fixed roadmap and any suggestion will be considered. Here are some of the points that have been discussed:

  • Make the Wisp wallet visually different from Spectrecoin (Qt developers welcome!)
  • Develop a more robust wallet for Spectrecoin
  • Mobile wallet (Android developers welcome!)
  • Improvements to the core protocol
  • Making a nice website for Wisp

Please ask if there are any further questions, and welcome to the Wisp community!  :)


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Gandalf86 on April 22, 2018, 06:41:28 PM
*reserved*


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: HippiePyro on April 22, 2018, 08:18:15 PM
Thanks for getting this posted Gandalf. I'm quite excited to be a part of this project from the start. I look forward to the progress we can make after the launch is taken care of.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: sirsplashalot on April 22, 2018, 08:42:02 PM
Thanks for the pre-Ann Gandalf. More news to come.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Dan123456 on April 22, 2018, 08:49:07 PM
Hopefully people will post all their questions here, and any problems or queries can be addresses here instead of in xspec thread.

I think it is worth emphasising that cryptopia and livecoin are unlikely to support any hardforks as we found out with the initial attempt by mandica to fork.

If you want your free wisp it is near certain you will need to have them off the exchange and in your own wallet.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: oxb on April 22, 2018, 09:05:20 PM
::)

Haha Gunner is watching, be careful.

Its fun to follow the project, its just like watching "storage hunters" you know it is fake, but you cant help yourself watching.

Hey look what i found in the back of the container a paper wallet with wispcoins, now i never have to work again.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: karotid on April 22, 2018, 09:19:53 PM
I am so horny for this,I had to create an account. gunner come to XSPEC discord we need to hire you for our shitcoin, channel bulltalk-off-topic


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: viralz on April 23, 2018, 01:11:55 AM
WISP is planning to make the XSPEC UI better,
it has to be a real potential here. Looking forward for the development.

I would try to get more of XSPEC and WISP,... both coins are cool


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: spaid on April 23, 2018, 02:19:42 AM
Hoping for good things from both projects.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Sam123 on April 23, 2018, 05:39:24 PM
Good luck on Wisp Project. I will be watching this project with interest. By the way how are you going to fund this project Wisp please?


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Eliza beth on April 23, 2018, 06:11:10 PM
I'm trying to find a good charity but I think they are all terrible
egretia


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: coinnox on April 23, 2018, 06:15:47 PM
Would you like to get listed on coinnox exchange?


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: oxb on April 23, 2018, 08:31:41 PM
Would you like to get listed on coinnox exchange?

They sure would like to . if only they had a working product.
Sorry if there only was a product.

But they are working very hard to get the mother of all coins launched, and you can be sure jbg will do his best to make it happen.
There is just one problem jbg will postpone again and again.
And this post of mine will be called fud ect ect, but ive been watching and listening and reading and jbg is never going to deliver a working product.

So if you want wisp please be VERY VERY patient and in the end you MAYBE will get some.

Maybe rebrand the fukker before its ever realized? PROMISECOIN  we promise but dont deliver.

Please watch for the tekst soon , testing , almost

And watch out for hollow frazes like "we only want to release if the code is perfect"
Most of those fanboys probably hold a large chunk of (undervalued) xspec and hope that wisp will save the day.
What dou you think?
Jbg fucked up xspec and now he will create a new coin? yeah right, think again.

And NEVER ERVER ask for proof of work , because they dont like that.
The only thing they will say "ï know jbg he is working very hard"

This wisp thing should have never been associated with xspec wich is/was a promising project until hobbydev jbg fucked that coin up.
Now he is the kim jung un of wisp and all bow for the great jbg the never deliveryboy.

Maybe....maaaaayybe some time in the far far far away future this coin is going to be "real" but if you ask me its the promiscoin.
Do as you like i would not invest my time or money in this project there are more valuable ones out there.

Goodluck all with youre decision and i hope crypto will treat you nice.




Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Gandalf86 on April 23, 2018, 08:36:59 PM
Good luck on Wisp Project. I will be watching this project with interest. By the way how are you going to fund this project Wisp please?

We hope to get this running mainly via voluntary contributions ... we are trying to build an environment here that is very collaboration-friendly so that developers can join easily and contribute on demand, whenever they wish.

Additionally we will set up a system to offer bounties. For example if you and some other investors want to see a certain feature being implemented (a new website design, binaries for a certain Linux distribution, whatever you like), you can pool your money together and make a feature request via Github. The first (voluntary) developer who creates a pull request that gets merged and fulfills that feature request, will get the bounty. This is the fairest and most decentral way to fund a project - money going directly from the people who want something specific being done, to the person who does it.

There are many ways to implement this, maybe via smart contracts, a multi-signature wallet held by a committee, a single person escrow, or simply via individual payments.

And thirdly we will maybe also keep the current donation system, which means that the wallet offers an option to donate your stake rewards to a certain address that belongs to a full-time developer for example, or that goes to a multisig wallet.


Would you like to get listed on coinnox exchange?

It's not a decentralized exchange, so probably not.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: sirsplashalot on April 24, 2018, 01:27:57 PM
Good luck on Wisp Project. I will be watching this project with interest. By the way how are you going to fund this project Wisp please?

There will be an option to donate staking percentages to development. For the next while current development is releasing work that was previously paid for. We genuinely believe once innovations are released (a POS system with default stealth addresses), staking donations will sufficiently fund further development.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: sirsplashalot on April 24, 2018, 01:32:24 PM
Would you like to get listed on coinnox exchange?

We’re taking annymoity and decentralization pretty seriously. Spectrecoin is one of the very few cryptocurrencies that had an anonymous ICO via trusted Bitcointalk escrow, as a fork of Spectrecoin, the anonymity legacy will continue with the markets. While Cryptopia and Livecoin are centralized exchanges, they still do not require KYC regulations but may be subject to third party audits and control trading funds. We wish to encourage WISP holders to only use decentralized exchanges. Centralized exchanges are no better then banks.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: karotid on April 24, 2018, 07:49:40 PM
so much blah blah blah on things you want to do butt only 2 things you have: I serial liar developer and big holders running the "project" who wnat to get the money they lost with xspec back (it's more likley that jbg learns how to code), vvc the "project manager" (ahaha he has no clue of what's going on) lost OVER HALF A MILLION $ with XSPEc what an amazing investor. hippyhoppitiespro said he quit his job and probably realized there is no work to do and jbg is again doing nothing and talking rubbish like the old xspec days, gandalf spends his time writing github guides very useful, AWESOME DRAMA LOvE YOU GUYS KEEP IT UP! BRYCE WE ALL LOVE YOU youre so stealth


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: LoveCryptoAll on April 24, 2018, 08:38:02 PM
The project is strong - it can be seen. But presented a little scant. I would suggest that you add a link to the white paper and the presentation of the team. You can find information on white paper, but this information is very difficult to access.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: xlcus on April 25, 2018, 02:14:18 AM
Here we have a new Ann for the fork WISP.
I can't say I support such hard fork. Anyway, there are some free coins. Why not?


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: oxb on April 27, 2018, 11:57:35 AM
Any news on the fork?
Will it be ready this decade or does jbg need some more time and excuses for once again not delivering?

Heard  something about making the coin replay proof?
I dont think that will be possible because jbg is already replaying the same bullshit as he did at xspec.
Every exccuse that was made before is done all over, just coated with some different bullshitsauce.

Its like history repeating witihn a very small timeframe.
But i imagine soon there will be some more info and news about the very promising wisp endeavor, im just waiting for the next bs.

May i suggest creating a non exsisting blockchain security issue where you can spend the next 6 months or so on?
Dont tell anyone i`m trying to help you out as it might damage my online social status.

glad to be of service
Greetz  Oxb the king off bullshit (please jbg no more bs from you you are gaining on me)

PS i gotta hand it to you , you get away with it every time im impressed.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: legday on April 27, 2018, 01:31:24 PM
Will cryptopia support the fork and also list wisp too? If not, what other exchanges are you aiming for?


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Gandalf86 on April 27, 2018, 03:58:24 PM
Will cryptopia support the fork and also list wisp too? If not, what other exchanges are you aiming for?

As said in the first post:

Further, our plan is that Wisp will be exclusively listed on decentralized exchanges (DEX) like Bisq (https://bisq.network/), as these are the only way to provide a truly private and decentralized ecosystem to our users. Making these DEX the only option will bring the necessary volume to these markets, and will hopefully also drive the general adoption of decentralized exchanges! :)

Cryptopia is not a decentralized exchange and I don't expect it to list Wisp after the fork. We're aiming for Bisq as our first exchange, since its philosophy aligns perfectly with that of Wisp.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: stonesourcery on April 30, 2018, 09:27:50 AM
Hopefully people will post all their questions here, and any problems or queries can be addresses here instead of in xspec thread.

I think it is worth emphasising that cryptopia and livecoin are unlikely to support any hardforks as we found out with the initial attempt by mandica to fork.

If you want your free wisp it is near certain you will need to have them off the exchange and in your own wallet.

would be handy if this ANN had an Upvote function like Reddit for excample -  Nice to move away from the negative commentary in the previous thread

I for one am looking forward to WISP carrying on in the spirit of decentralised democratic private crypto-currency

to that end I want to ask dev's what exchange listing parameters they have in mind?
exchanges to list on ?

Decentralized
https://idex.market/
https://ddex.io/
https://forkdelta.github.io/

Community exchange (no listing fee)
 CoinPulse is the first crypto-currency exchange that is completely based around and supported by its community. Token holders will have a say in its majority of the decisions. Majority of the functions on CoinPulse have been included based on suggestions received from its community
https://coinpulse.io/ref/c32cbd498ac8fab30c04fe12b44a7a99
200 CPEX bonus for sign up which act like Binance Coin for 70% discount on trading fees

with this page we can propose listing and then upVOTE to show our support for it
https://request.coinpulse.io/suggestions/add
Please try to include as many details as possible.
Below is a list of suggested details:
General description of the project
Coin/Token's Website
Coin or Token?
Coin/Token Information
Listed on CMC? If yes, please provide link
Logo, if you have one
Social media channels


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Gandalf86 on April 30, 2018, 12:05:51 PM
would be handy if this ANN had an Upvote function like Reddit for excample -  Nice to move away from the negative commentary in the previous thread

I for one am looking forward to WISP carrying on in the spirit of decentralised democratic private crypto-currency

to that end I want to ask dev's what exchange listing parameters they have in mind?
exchanges to list on ?

Decentralized
https://idex.market/
https://ddex.io/
https://forkdelta.github.io/

Community exchange (no listing fee)
 CoinPulse is the first crypto-currency exchange that is completely based around and supported by its community. Token holders will have a say in its majority of the decisions. Majority of the functions on CoinPulse have been included based on suggestions received from its community
https://coinpulse.io/ref/c32cbd498ac8fab30c04fe12b44a7a99
200 CPEX bonus for sign up which act like Binance Coin for 70% discount on trading fees

with this page we can propose listing and then upVOTE to show our support for it
https://request.coinpulse.io/suggestions/add
Please try to include as many details as possible.
Below is a list of suggested details:
General description of the project
Coin/Token's Website
Coin or Token?
Coin/Token Information
Listed on CMC? If yes, please provide link
Logo, if you have one
Social media channels

Generally, decentralized means for me that you download a program that you run on your PC, which then connects to other nodes to carry out functions via the network. Similar to Bitcoin and most other cryptocurrencies. The more appropriate term for this would be "distributed" or "p2p". I don't really see how these websites you linked are any more decentralized than other exchanges, except that you hold your own keypairs. Which of these sites require to set up an account? That may be an interesting criteria. If you have to register, it is probably not anonymous enough because the trades can be linked.

The only "decentralized" exchange (in the above sense) that I am aware of so far is Bisq, but the sites you named will certainly be discussed at some point. I don't think we have discussed this topic on Discord yet, the current priority is to make the fork happen, finally. ;)

Also some of the sites you linked are only for ERC20 tokens, which isn't the case for Wisp.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: morningman on April 30, 2018, 09:33:53 PM
With Wisp HFing in May why isn't there a functional website? https://wispproject.com/ does not appear to be.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Gandalf86 on April 30, 2018, 09:50:10 PM
With Wisp HFing in May why isn't there a functional website? https://wispproject.com/ does not appear to be.

We're currently figuring out the website thing. Technically a website isn't necessary to do a hardfork. If you are a web developer, feel free to join us!  ;)

Currently it seems like we will be using Github Pages + a custom domain to host the website, so that multiple contributors can work on it using Git.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: X4s on May 01, 2018, 02:53:16 PM
Did not do homework at XSPEC, now wants to continue receiving donations through WISP.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: oxb on May 01, 2018, 04:09:04 PM
Did not do homework at XSPEC, now wants to continue receiving donations through WISP.

Smart guy, totally right you are.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Gandalf86 on May 01, 2018, 04:46:39 PM
Did not do homework at XSPEC, now wants to continue receiving donations through WISP.

Wrong.

1. XSPEC/Wisp is not the "homework" of our developer, it's volunteer work. The fact that people donated money to him doesn't change that.
2. He did do work, all but the first wallet version are by him.
3. The fork was decided on by the Wisp community, not just by JBG.
4. The donation feature in the wallet is optional, to make it easier for you to donate. You don't have to use it.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: LuckySpectrecoin on May 03, 2018, 02:33:16 AM
Did not do homework at XSPEC, now wants to continue receiving donations through WISP.

Wrong.

1. XSPEC/Wisp is not the "homework" of our developer, it's volunteer work. The fact that people donated money to him doesn't change that.
2. He did do work, all but the first wallet version are by him.
3. The fork was decided on by the Wisp community, not just by JBG.
   Gandalf what community decided to make a fork? Do not tell a fairy tale. This was decided by Jbg and several people. The rest were not asked. What kind of community are you talking about. We were simply informed about this fact. Only a few people decided to make the fork.
I too old member community and i not saw no discussions about fork
   Fork - this is a good reason to waste time, so as not to rub the job that he promised. They came up with a false story about supposedly different code and so on ... one intentional lie in your wisp team. You know the truth and deliberately lie. There is no stealth staking and you know about it, just like I know about it. Do not deceive new people.
  jbg took much money from donations, but not gave results and refused to return money, as stealth staking didnt.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Gandalf86 on May 03, 2018, 08:11:53 AM
   Gandalf what community decided to make a fork? Do not tell a fairy tale. This was decided by Jbg and several people. The rest were not asked. What kind of community are you talking about. We were simply informed about this fact. Only a few people decided to make the fork.
I too old member community and i not saw no discussions about fork
   Fork - this is a good reason to waste time, so as not to rub the job that he promised. They came up with a false story about supposedly different code and so on ... one intentional lie in your wisp team. You know the truth and deliberately lie. There is no stealth staking and you know about it, just like I know about it. Do not deceive new people.
  jbg took much money from donations, but not gave results and refused to return money, as stealth staking didnt.

Sure there were a few individuals (HippiePyro, vvc, Trainasauruswrecks afaik) who decided to make a fork called Wisp, who were the initial members of the Wisp community. They invited jbg to join their project as things were getting out of hand between him and Mandica.

You can make as many conspiracy theories as you want, time will tell the results. This has already been discussed a thousand times.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Na xter on May 03, 2018, 08:47:02 AM
I like this project. I still keep looking to know about this project better.
egretia


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: stonesourcery on May 03, 2018, 10:38:17 AM
so much blah blah blah on things you want to do butt only 2 things you have: I serial liar developer and big holders running the "project" who wnat to get the money they lost with xspec back (it's more likley that jbg learns how to code), vvc the "project manager" (ahaha he has no clue of what's going on) lost OVER HALF A MILLION $ with XSPEc what an amazing investor. hippyhoppitiespro said he quit his job and probably realized there is no work to do and jbg is again doing nothing and talking rubbish like the old xspec days, gandalf spends his time writing github guides very useful, AWESOME DRAMA LOvE YOU GUYS KEEP IT UP! BRYCE WE ALL LOVE YOU youre so stealth


Thank God for the BTCIGNOREBTC button


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: BunyipPouch on May 03, 2018, 05:25:21 PM
   Gandalf what community decided to make a fork? Do not tell a fairy tale. This was decided by Jbg and several people. The rest were not asked. What kind of community are you talking about. We were simply informed about this fact. Only a few people decided to make the fork.
I too old member community and i not saw no discussions about fork
   Fork - this is a good reason to waste time, so as not to rub the job that he promised. They came up with a false story about supposedly different code and so on ... one intentional lie in your wisp team. You know the truth and deliberately lie. There is no stealth staking and you know about it, just like I know about it. Do not deceive new people.
  jbg took much money from donations, but not gave results and refused to return money, as stealth staking didnt.

Sure there were a few individuals (HippiePyro, vvc, Trainasauruswrecks afaik) who decided to make a fork called Wisp, who were the initial members of the Wisp community. They invited jbg to join their project as things were getting out of hand between him and Mandica.

You can make as many conspiracy theories as you want, time will tell the results. This has already been discussed a thousand times.

Indeed, This has already been discussed a thousand times on discord.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: hroub on May 05, 2018, 02:39:20 PM
Thanks for the pre-ANN @Gandalf86. Will you announce the Official/Final fork date here? I'm not on Discord very often but do get email notifications from Bitcointalk threads  :)


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Gandalf86 on May 05, 2018, 03:35:46 PM
Thanks for the pre-ANN @Gandalf86. Will you announce the Official/Final fork date here? I'm not on Discord very often but do get email notifications from Bitcointalk threads  :)

Yes! I will make a new thread for the actual ANN, but it will be linked here when it's online.

For more information, see https://github.com/wispproject/doc/wiki/FAQ


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: legday on May 05, 2018, 09:46:12 PM
Thanks for the pre-ANN @Gandalf86. Will you announce the Official/Final fork date here? I'm not on Discord very often but do get email notifications from Bitcointalk threads  :)

Yes! I will make a new thread for the actual ANN, but it will be linked here when it's online.

For more information, see https://github.com/wispproject/doc/wiki/FAQ
what will happen to unclaimed coins? like, to those that will be on exchanges by the time of fork?
Sorry if this has been answered before.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: hroub on May 05, 2018, 10:10:46 PM
Thanks for the pre-ANN @Gandalf86. Will you announce the Official/Final fork date here? I'm not on Discord very often but do get email notifications from Bitcointalk threads  :)

Yes! I will make a new thread for the actual ANN, but it will be linked here when it's online.

For more information, see https://github.com/wispproject/doc/wiki/FAQ
what will happen to unclaimed coins? like, to those that will be on exchanges by the time of fork?
Sorry if this has been answered before.
If it ends up being a fork (at a certain snapshot) and you don't own the private keys of the coins in the wallet, then you don't get any forked coins, unless the exchange (or whoever) that owns the private keys decides to fork themselves and issues the forked coins for their users.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Gandalf86 on May 06, 2018, 07:51:58 AM
what will happen to unclaimed coins? like, to those that will be on exchanges by the time of fork?
Sorry if this has been answered before.

If it ends up being a fork (at a certain snapshot) and you don't own the private keys of the coins in the wallet, then you don't get any forked coins, unless the exchange (or whoever) that owns the private keys decides to fork themselves and issues the forked coins for their users.

That's absolutely correct. To elaborate further, there is no way to "claim" coins in a fork, or to decide whether certain balances have been "claimed" or not. The old private keys stay valid, it's just a different continuation of the current XSPEC chain. So exchanges (as well as any other user running a wallet) might decide to start using the forked chain at any later point in time.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: allthebitandbobs on May 06, 2018, 12:47:52 PM
i better comment here to keep ups what is going on


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: hroub on May 06, 2018, 01:09:37 PM
i better comment here to keep ups what is going on
You could have just clicked on the watch or notify buttons in the bottom right of the thread  :P


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Gandalf86 on May 08, 2018, 05:42:11 AM
Wisp News

The current development state of the wallet implementing the fork has been put online: https://github.com/wispproject/wallet

We welcome any contributors who can check the recent commits for errors or would like to help finishing the fork implementation! You can make pull requests, which will be reviewed and merged by JBG. Contributors who continue to send in high quality commits over a period of time will receive the "Contributor" status on Discord and may be granted push access to the code repository.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: sirsplashalot on May 08, 2018, 05:45:07 AM
if anyone feels like doing some code review, the BUIP-HF Digest work is in https://github.com/wispproject/wallet/commit/b0cf334cdaebfe22635d87ca79ddb40733d5f9ff


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Nebell on May 16, 2018, 06:13:15 AM
How is this progressing?


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: p3ngu1n on May 16, 2018, 08:20:35 AM
Need more infomation(Roadmap,whitepaper etc)


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Gandalf86 on May 16, 2018, 08:58:05 AM
How is this progressing?

Very slowly. Read on Discord about what is being discussed please. Everything is fully transparent.


Need more infomation(Roadmap,whitepaper etc)

https://github.com/wispproject/doc/wiki/Roadmap

This project is still in its infancy, we haven't even started the fork yet. You will get more information like the greater vision, goals etc. in the real ANN that announces the fork.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Gandalf86 on May 17, 2018, 07:24:49 AM
Wisp News

Attention all developers please! We are looking to increase the size our development team, because JBG doesn't want to be the only one coding on this. Having a large group of developers is vital for a project like this. So if you are a C++ developer and would like to help and do some interesting coding tasks for this project, please get in touch with @jbg in the #development channel of our Discord! Recurring contributors will receive the "Contributor" role in Discord and will be able to chat in #contributor_chat , and some Github issues have bounties attached to provide an financial incentive. Looking forward to hearing from you!  8)


I think your project gives us less information. Could you give us more information about it? I want to ask about the purpose of this project?

The Pre-ANN post on the first page should give you a good picture, if there is anything still unclear please ask! :)


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: stonesourcery on May 21, 2018, 12:33:27 PM


here's another possibility for an exchange to get WISP listed on - voting is going on now for dev's to gauge popularity of projects

https://altcoin.io/      exchange

https://altcoinexchange.featureupvote.com/?      suggest coin

looking forward to WISP launch and enjoying all the incremental developments on the website & in GithHub etc.
keep up the good efforts team


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: stonesourcery on May 24, 2018, 10:11:38 AM
a bit of light relief found on another forum

Question:   "Any update on this update?"


coin whisperer "Its getting closer to release month after month."


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: CleanCutKid on June 04, 2018, 06:25:59 PM
Wisp (the parasitic twin of Spectrecoin)

We all knew this was coming. More delays, excuses. Wisp is an alternative wallet for Spectrecoin. No new coin, no clone or fork or anything. Let's just parasite onto Spectre and hope that they fork at some point and in the mean time we will live off their work.

Parasite: "an organism which lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense."
Translated to crypto world (strictly speaking Wisp universe): "a crypto-project-in-thought which lives off another real crypto-project (it's host network) and benefits by deriving exposure at the other's expense"

Parasitic Twin: "the smaller and less completely developed member of a pair of unequal conjoined twins, often consisting of an amorphous mass of tissue attached to or within the larger twin."
Translated to crypto world (strictly speaking Wisp universe): "the smaller and not at all developed self-proclaimed member of a pair of unequal crypto-projects, often consisting of a shapeless mass of incompetence attached to the larger proper crypto-project"

Consider this: now, our all fav dev jbg has updated the Wisp repo from the updated Spectre repo after Spectre has been hard at work over the last weeks. jbg, a fav dev of unfathomable capacity to wait and wait until someone else does what he promises. jbg is now waiting for someone else to make something that he can pass off as stealth staking.

WTF is he doing all day. Please disregard this farce of a so called "project".  ;D What we all knew all along  ;D


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Gandalf86 on June 04, 2018, 06:41:39 PM
Wisp News

I am happy to announce that we managed to refine our vision for Wisp and found a way to continue this project in a more reasonable technical manner! When this project started, we found that Wisp would need to split off of Spectrecoin because of incompatible development philosophies. The original plan was to fork the blockchain artificially, so that we would have our own blockchain (and with it our own "coin") to work with. Unfortunately this approach would have come at the cost of coherency, because from a technical point of view, a blockchain is only forked by a consensus disagreement, i.e. when different clients ("wallets") carry out incompatible protocols. By introducing an artificial incompatibility, we would continuously have to defend our right to exist, because technically it wouldn't be necessary.

For that reason, we decided on a better way to continue this project, that is technically coherent and still allows us to turn our vision of Wisp into reality. This idea may require some time to wrap your head around if you are new to cryptocurrencies, but actually makes a lot more sense. The idea is that we will consider Wisp to be an alternative wallet for Spectrecoin! That means that we will NOT fork the Spectrecoin blockchain artificially, and will NOT make a coin called WISP right now.

Instead, we will leave it an option to fork into an independent coin IF at some point in the future there will be a consensus disagreement, e.g. if the Spectrecoin team decides to integrate forced development fees into the protocol. In that case, a hardfork would occur, and Wisp would maintain the original protocol without such a fee. The same thing would happen if the Wisp developers introduce a change that the Spectrecoin team does not agree with.

If there is no consensus disagreement, i.e. if the Spectrecoin consensus protocol is perfectly usable for realizing our vision of Wisp, we will not need a fork. Instead, we will be offering an alternative wallet for Spectrecoin users, called Wisp Wallet, that does not contain a so called "minimum donation" and allows the users to access the Spectrecoin blockchain in the way envisioned by us.

By going this way, we have the full freedom to develop Wisp in the way we like, while at the same time offering Spectrecoin users an alternative to the software produced by Mandica & Co.. This will also strengthen the Spectrecoin ecosystem overall, because development will no longer depend on one single team of developers! Which results in reliability improvements and should increase the trust in the future of this project.

Sorry if this announcement has become a little too lengthy or too technical for you.  ;) Please feel free to ask if there are any further questions!  :) A short summary can be found here: https://github.com/wispproject/doc/wiki/About-Wisp I will update the PRE-ANN here and make a new ANN thread for the Wisp wallet soon. Stay tuned.  8)


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Beachguy2 on June 05, 2018, 12:56:00 PM
You've got to be kidding me.  ::)

footnote:
I'm on a new account because my original "legendary" one Ive had for many years was hacked and I immediately locked it...only to realize that BCT accounts can only be recovered if it includes a btC address to assist in recovery.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: blockchainbits26 on June 05, 2018, 05:03:20 PM
LOL. All these "updates" over the last month and a half and the end result is... nothing. Easy to see why the XSpec community grew tired of JBG, it's just one empty promise after another.

To be clear, I don't mind that there's no fork, since nobody had high hopes for WISP anyway, but since buying into XSpec in January I haven't seen JBG accomplish much of anything despite making promises several times. Maybe he shouldn't have been so defensive when he was called out, since the XSpec community continues to be proven correct.

Thanks for the updates Gandalf, truly, but even if XSpec does somehow fork, I can say confidently I will simply sell my WISP coins immediately.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Zer0Sum on June 06, 2018, 08:52:24 PM
You've got to be kidding me.  ::)

footnote:
I'm on a new account because my original "legendary" one Ive had for many years was hacked and I immediately locked it...only to realize that BCT accounts can only be recovered if it includes a btC address to assist in recovery.


Ya man, the last "WISP News" is complete bullshit and "technically incoherent"...
They simple do not even have the most basic Dev chops to do a trivial fork.

Gandolf always seemed like a standup guy...
So maybe he's being held hostage and suffering from Stockholm Syndrome...
And it's reassuring that realBeachGuy has has called home... from the beach, of course.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Gandalf86 on June 06, 2018, 09:58:34 PM
Ya man, the last "WISP News" is complete bullshit and "technically incoherent"...
They simple do not even have the most basic Dev chops to do a trivial fork.

A "trivial fork" does not make any sense. A real blockchain fork is not something desirable, it is unfortunately necessary when there is a consensus disagreement within the community of users and developers of that project. For example when changing block sizes, making procedural protocol changes etc.. Many people have called for a fork even if they didn't know what it means. It always felt a little weird to me, and now I am happy that we were able to agree on going the rational path and not trying to split the blockchain artificially.

Instead, what is currently required is to provide an alternative to the wallet being produced by the official Spectrecoin team, since they are trying to force development fees from their users via the stake rewards, which is an alarming tendency. The Wisp Project now has a stronger foundation than ever, and we're continuing to develop Spectrecoin like originally envisioned. We hope that this alone will motivate the Spectrecoin team find more reasonable ways of collecting funding from their users, and we will always maintain the blockchain protocol that respects the freedom of its users.  :)


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: jeankinkadekia on June 06, 2018, 10:05:37 PM
So, this is the fork of the Spectrecoin? The Spectre is one of the successful ICO in which the coin is now very valuable. Can Wisp Project follow the success?


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: oxb on June 15, 2018, 11:24:52 PM

wisp short for:

Wait
Insanely long for
Shit that will never be
Produced


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Gandalf86 on June 17, 2018, 06:50:18 AM
It looks like Spectrecoin is indeed going to implement forced development fees into the protocol: https://github.com/spectrecoin/spectre/pull/43

So that means, if this hardfork happens, Wisp would maintain the original SpectreCoin chain, so then there would be two independent chains. Wisp would be "Spectre Classic" so to say, as it is the version of the blockchain that does not change the protocol.

We believe that every user should have the freedom to decide on himself whether to donate money to a project or not. Nobody should be forced to give money away. Instead of hiring developers, Wisp is aiming to build a community of open source developers who work on improving the Wisp wallet.

If you are a developer, please join our Discord that is linked in the ANN.  :)


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: oxb on June 17, 2018, 08:09:41 AM
Blah blah blabberdieblah.
 
People please look at the timeline of wisp and the promises made, even a retard will see its toplevel bullshit.
And every time the same marketing propaganda is beeing spread "spectrecoin has forced donation".

Although the whole tree hugging enviromental save the world from big brother idea is actually not bad , it will never be.
You will keep hearing the same shit over and over again until youre stomach turns and you can feel the vomit coming up.

And offcourse i will be labeled a troll because that will be the end of the discussion.

USE YOURE MIND READ UP ON THIS PROJECT AND ESPECIALLY THE GREAT DEV JBG.

And then you will see it is a load of bs.

Invest youre money in things you can actually see or touch and dont be misled by lambo comments.
Goodluck and stay clear from wisp.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Gandalf86 on June 18, 2018, 01:15:01 PM
It's important to understand how blockchain projects work. Forking or not forking is not a matter that does solely depend on a few people. It's a matter of consensus. We're just a group of people who have our own ideas and ideals of what Spectrecoin should be, and about how users should be treated. Whether a fork happens or not depends largely on the degree to which the official Spectrecoin team is trying to enforce development fees. This has nothing to do with our development effort or the size of the team, nor the size of the community. Right now there seem to be only a few people who see development fees as being a problem, but the situation might change in the future.

We're currently looking for a Qt developer who can spice up our copy of the Spectrecoin wallet a bit (changing logos etc.), but it doesn't really matter. What matters are the NODES that are run by the different parts of the Spectrecoin community, that run certain versions of the protocol.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Nebell on June 18, 2018, 03:49:08 PM
Why do you insist on forking a shitcoin?


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Oniko on June 18, 2018, 03:58:20 PM
Will the SpectreCoin holders receive your coin?

I'm glad that you decided to improve SpectreCoin, as I am an investor. I think your project can achieve success.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] - SpectreCoin fork - Community driven - Anonymity
Post by: Gandalf86 on June 19, 2018, 06:41:50 AM
Why do you insist on forking a shitcoin?

Spectrecoin is not a shitcoin. It is a project with low resources, like many other projects in this size range. The technology is good, the team is motivated. I'm sure Spectrecoin will not stay this small forever. So as XSPEC has a bright future, it also needs a wallet that gives freedom to the users. It's just a matter of principle. If Spectrecoin wants to fork to integrate fees into the protocol, we will maintain the current protocol. It depends on what the Spectrecoin team is doing mainly.


Will the SpectreCoin holders receive your coin?

I'm glad that you decided to improve SpectreCoin, as I am an investor. I think your project can achieve success.

If there is a fork, your wallet.dat will be valid on both chains and you can spend funds on both chains independently from then.


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] Alternative SpectreCoin wallet - Community driven
Post by: gunner833 on June 19, 2018, 11:46:49 PM
Heard that Bryce is almost done with the revolutionary stealth staking :D

Retrospectively, I am so happy to have debunked jbg bullshit :)

look where he's working: https://www.triposo.com/about/team

working there also during the time when he was "full-time on xspec" ;D


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] Alternative SpectreCoin wallet - Community driven
Post by: Gandalf86 on June 20, 2018, 11:31:09 AM
Updated the ANN post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3371587.0


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] Alternative SpectreCoin wallet - Community driven
Post by: Gandalf86 on July 08, 2018, 11:14:45 AM
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There have also been discussions about a possible blockchain fork. If the Spectrecoin team decides to implement a hardfork to enforce development fees via the protocol, the Wisp Project will NOT support that fork, meaning that Wisp and Spectrecoin would split into two independent projects, where Wisp will maintain the original protocol. The ticker for our side of the fork will be [WISP] then. More information will be added as things progress. Since this forum is about altcoins, this thread will remain a "PRE-ANN" until a blockchain fork happens.

As things are standing at the moment, Spectrecoin seems to be planning to do a hardfork indeed, and introduce a development fee of 1/6 of all staking rewards.

For more info, see: https://news.spectreproject.io/stealth-staking/

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The update to Spectre v2 is mandatory. This means that you must update to v2 to be able to stake or conduct transaction on the Spectre network after a certain date to be set. All previous versions of the wallet will be rejected by the network after this date. We will announce the exact date when the new wallet is ready to download from GitHub. In addition, we will implement a mechanism know as “replay protection” to prevent any transactions from being valid on the old blockchain and vice versa. This implementation is with Wisp in mind and will allow the Wisp community to continue working on the old version of the blockchain and develop a separate coin with their own design philosophy and goals. If the Wisp community takes this opportunity it will result in users being able to claim 1:1 balance of XSPEC / Wisp at the time when the update is activated.

Thanks @mandica and the Spectrecoin team for implementing replay protection in order to guarantee a smooth fork into two separate projects!  8)  We are currently working together with the Spectrecoin developers and make sure that everything is correct, and to avoid disruptions between Spectre and Wisp.

(P.S. This is my eleven-hundredth post, yay  :) )


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] Alternative SpectreCoin wallet - Community driven
Post by: Gandalf86 on July 26, 2018, 11:33:27 AM
There is a new release of SpectreCoin on Github that implements the fork: https://github.com/spectrecoin/spectre/releases/tag/v2.0.3.0

The Wisp Project will NOT follow this fork. This means that the fork will happen on 21/08/2018, 22:00 GMT. Nodes that don't update their wallet to Spectre V2 will be running on the Wisp chain automatically. Note that you will be able to run both in parallel in the future, as soon as we have released a standalone Wisp wallet. Your balance at the time of the fork will be available on both chains.

Feel free to ask any further questions regarding the fork here.  :) Or join our Discord (linked in the first post)


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] Alternative SpectreCoin wallet - Community driven
Post by: Gandalf86 on July 28, 2018, 11:49:09 AM
For those of you who don't know what a hardfork is, here is a gentle introduction:

How does a blockchain work? -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSo_EIwHSd4
What is a hard fork? -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCo6yyutYAM

Wisp will keep the original protocol, and Spectrecoin will make a fork. Conversely, Spectrecoin will keep the original name (Spectrecoin), and Wisp will be named Wisp. They will be two independent coins, and the Spectrecoin balances will be copied so your funds are independently spendable on both chains.

Thanks @Luc for pointing this out.  :)


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] Alternative SpectreCoin wallet - Community driven
Post by: Gandalf86 on August 12, 2018, 06:33:38 AM
Unfortunately most of the founders of this project seem to be gone by now - VVC and HippiePyro (the two initiators) are gone, JBG is inactive. I am not the leader of this project, I'm just maintaining the ANN thread for the community.

If you are interested in making Wisp reality, please join our Discord NOW and figure out a way together how to continue. We are urgently looking for devs to release our own wallet so that it does not conflict with the new Spectrecoin wallet!


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] Alternative SpectreCoin wallet - Community driven
Post by: Gandalf86 on August 22, 2018, 07:10:19 AM
Update: The XSPEC hardfork has happened smoothly. Now Wisp is running on the old Spectrecoin chain, every user who uses a Spectrecoin wallet before version 2.0 (1.4 and older) uses the chain that will be branded as WISP. An official announcement for this coin will follow after a independent Wisp wallet has been created by our volunteer community members.  8)

Please join our Discord if you want to get involved: https://discordapp.com/invite/2YUewTX


Title: Re: [PRE-ANN] Wisp Project [WISP] Alternative SpectreCoin wallet - Community driven
Post by: Gandalf86 on September 29, 2018, 06:38:54 AM
Hello everybody, I am happy to announce that we have a new official ANN thread, as a successor to this PRE-ANN. This thread will be locked, please continue on the new thread, thanks.  :)

New ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5039051.0