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Normally I don't look for the communities opinion on much but in this case I would like to hear some reactions and thoughts. I was in the middle of grading Byteballs twitter campaign when I received these 2 pms within a few minutes of each other. As you can see the messages are pretty damn close to the same.

Should their neg trust stay? Are these pms enough to prove they're the same person? I'll leave this open for discussion for 24 hours

They are quite clearly same and if you have a rule of not allowing multiple entries from the same person then they deserve a negative feedback for trying to cheat the bounty campaign.
I am only surprised why will someone send quick messages with same body (almost) and with 177 and 178 sheet numbers respectively.

The fact that they have applied for signature campaign quite closely makes it obvious that they are same

On the other hand, I really feel bad for such guys working so hard just though doing the wrong thing.

There is absolutely no way those two accounts can't be the same person--and this person is an extreme dumbass for doing this, though it turned out to be a good thing for the community (albeit not for him) since he's now tagged.  I reinforced your negative, Yahoo62278.  This proof is about as solid as you can get IMO.

I'm curious as to whether he's gong to show up here to defend himself and what his excuse is going to be.

Those two PM's are damn similar to each other.
I think that nobody will hold a grudge against you for flagging those members. Such coincidences are rarely, truly coincidental ::)  
Yet, as a prof of multi-account... tough nut to crack. If I were you, I would just ban them from my campaign and that's it, no extra red or accusations but that's just me. Maybe a simple PM from you with reprimand, rebuke and reprehension will make those guys behave?
You are a busy man, probably no time for a good investigation, I'm sure community will deliver :)  
Edit: on the other hand, calling people 'sir' in the internets deserves a BAN xD

I'm not worried about anyone holding a grudge. Many people like me as well as a few don't, life goes on either way. I have made thew accused aware that this thread is here and that he may respond.

As far as his neg goes, if the community deems these are not alts I will remove his paint. If the majority agrees as I am pretty sure will be the case, then his neg stays because IMO cheating any campaign is grounds for a neg.

These two accounts are using same person because merits also sharing simultaneously and PM also similar to both account. I think this merit system is easily identify the spam users in Crypto platform.

Just checked their merits and they seems exchanged smerits. If only one person owns the two accounts, then he is not just abusing bounties, but merit system abuser as well.

Yeah, were you in the same room with them when they sent what amounts to the exact same PM to Yahoo62278?  Why would two different people write the same message?  Why would the second message sender paraphrase the first message?

I don't buy it at all, and I've seen enough of this bullshit behavior by bounty spammers to not believe a story like you're spinning.  Let's hear what others have to say.  

Here comes the shitposting brigade to the rescue:
This user deleted his/her post?

This user (and the one above) posts almost exclusively in the mega spam threads.  I wonder how they responded to this thread so fast.

Actuallly it very much is the issue, as I rejoice in any opportunity to paint you spamming fucks red.

I have some points to consider upon reviewing these two concerned accounts.
First: The exchanges of merit obviously shows that these people are related to each other, perhaps friends.
Second: They have different style of post, it's just that since they're friends, they copy each other message to raise concern upon reviewing about their weekly campaign result.
IMO these were not alts of each other but rather friends.

i try to stay out of these kind of things , But this is just a bit over the top obvious ! looking at their past posting and history = visible similarities that cannot be repeated by mere coincidence.
and i am sure that these are the same person.
this is my humble opinion!

if needed i can set up a way to prove one way or the other on my servers and do a full verification
i can set up a secured chat room and i will block all VPN and TOR networks and will run a script to scan the host and all the connection of the clients at the same time. if in-fact they are completely different they will not have any connecting IP's
but it will be two separate private chats and when i ask the same question to on they both have to answer basically the same . i have done this a few times in the past for proof and have caught each suspect in their tracts as they do not know  how i am tracing them and how deep i can scan for their connections thru their ip addresses or even how i am doing it.
certainly it is not failsafe but it hasnt failed yet!


Amore Jaz

that's true, giving atleast 1-2 merits to a particular person is good but i know it is againts the rule. and as far as i know i only give 2 merits to satry which i think she deserved to have that merit. Satry and I know each other for the reason that she is my officemate  and we decided to create a bitcoin group so that we can help each other if someone needs helps when it comes to bitcoin matter. you can also check our BTC ADDRESS that we usually use in joining signature and bounty campaign. WE  use COINS.PH wallet address in our country which requires a one time application and also requesting for a valid identification information.  you can visit this links for future reference. https://coins.ph/user-agreement/

So post this proof you have, or send it to Yahoo62278.

Vinz7229 and Satry is different people but we are in the same group and he is my officemate. I asked him for help on what he did in twitter campaign because we have same remarks and he told me that he message yahoo in personal. If a person has an alt account that was both trying to get paid and message you with same message thats stupid. Thats why I only asked him for help on what he did, and I copied it and send it through pm because were the same issues. I have worked hard to earn this rank and I would not risked my name just to have a negative reputation due to false accusation.

IMHO if this is up for  Community Scrutiny ... then it should be public. public for the community to judge
but even if offered only to yahoo im sure he could then make  his thoughts on it also. but remember one small very old saying....
'where there are 2 --there are 3"

Amore Jaz

But you didn't copy/paste it exactly.  It's a paraphrasing of what vinz7229 wrote, which makes it highly suspicious.

I agree.  That's why it's astounding when people get caught doing this sort of shit--and they're usually shitposting bounty farms or alt accounts, and they usually rationalize, lie, and otherwise shift suspicion about their acts.  That's exactly what this reeks of.  Or as we say in the States:  Your syphillis looks like it's caught gonorrhea.

I can't read any of that, and I don't know what it's supposed to be anyway.  I'll leave it to the gearheads to interpret it and see what they have to say.

I question what your interest is in this matter and why you're being so vocal about it.

I'm still waiting for someone, anyone to notice that this ^^^ post was deleted seconds after it was posted.  This is something else that's suspicious about what's going on here.

i can confirm that it was posted and only a few moments it was removed
BUT , that was NOT the only one posted and removed very quickly

Yahoo > the pharmacist

very considerate,unlike this idiot self centered pussy pharmacist ~ there are only two types of DT members here in this forum.The one who thinks a lot before acting stupid these are the people who deserve their positions,second privilege abusers who wont give a shit to anyone but himself

two different people.

Looks like a screenshot of some chat that has two users named "satry" and "vinz7229". I don't know if that proves anything. It doesn't show that one of them sent the text of the yahoo PM to the other and these screenshots can't be independently verified.

The two infected accounts then this "cabalism13" supporting more than usual and "queennathalia " writing and deleting posts. This seems to be another bitcoin office where people are hired to write posts and participate in bounty's.  Some of you may remember such a office was negative tagged a few months before. This might be another similar case ;D

I have already pointed out this a number of times that "the pharmacist"  always in a hurry to give neg tag. You can see here as well. As soon as yahoo posted this thread and ask for the  opinion, he came and just gave them Red trust without thinking.

Although after discussions it is proving something fishy with accounts involved here, but this also proves "the pharmacist" inability to think and use the red trust without thinking (which sometimes may be right as in this case ) but most of time his judgement are wrong.

Will this help?

https://i.imgur.com/HmyLPSx.png
and another
https://i.imgur.com/9gZnG6s.png
and another
https://i.imgur.com/pjjA6sw.png

The flood of shitposters in this thread defending the shitposting "office mates" is truly amazing. The Pharmacist brings out the best in people alts.

BTW copy-pasta AKA plagiarism is also frowned upon here so that line of defense isn't gonna help much.

I'm sure "vinz, satyr, cabalism, and queen" is controlled by 1 person. classic friends,family,father,uncle,officemate excuse  ;D

Sharing idea about here in the forum with an office mate, friends and relatives are good but doing something you broke the prohibited rule in the forum is not good especially posting plagiarism. These two people obviously 1 person those screenshots above was clear evidence against them. And now they are both have negative trust.

Those have friends, officemates, and others co-member here it may serve as a lesson that doesn't plagiarise or something act as one person and most of all don't make an illegal thing that makes shady behavior or something abusing the forum.

Only one logical way to make them appear different persons is to imagine this: Satry has twitter account but don't knows English. vinz contacted him and promised he could earn money with his twitter in byteball twitter campaign and vinz would manage his btctalk account (post, send/receive pms and etc).
But both of them knows English and logically and in reality they are one person.
I am highly sure cabalism13 is possibly alt. Why did you decide to defend them when they are alts? You have no real argument to believe us they aren't alts. Everything goes against them. If you want to be a blind, just tell us.
And picture is a proof? Haha, can't stop laugh on it.

Many people here already judges without strong evidence. It is easy for them to say all this things cause your not in my situation right now. C'mon I work so hard just to make sure that my account would not get any neg. trust. Having a full member account is not a joke any more, and do you think if I have an alt account I'm willing to destroy it at the same time? No.... You can check all our previous campaign we're satry and I joined, both of us have different Btc address  but we are using same wallet address which is coins.ph,  and this wallet address only require on time application which require a government identification information. So it is not possible to create multiple btc address with this kind of wallet address that I am using right now.

Can I ask you if you had understand all of our conversation in the screenshot that I have post?  Cause base on my observation you haven't understand even single words, and yet you don't even make a way to translate it just to understand what we're talking about.  I can show you some proof that our conversation their was about the Byteball signature campaign that yahoo have fixed my personal message to him regarding of my short post in his campaign. Your too much judgemental!!!

You no read my message your too much shitpostery!!!

Have you ever sent any PMs here on the forum to Satry? Have you received any PMs from Satry? How did you send the text of the "Hello sir kindly recheck my twitter post..." message to Satry? Do you want me to use crayons to explain what I'm asking?

Don't waste good crayons on these pipe smokers.  Any argument you or I put forth will be ignored, deflected, rationalized, or otherwise pooh-pooh'ed in an attempt to protect their shitposting empire. 

As I suspected, the "proof" that was presented has failed to convince anybody except the large Filipino shitposting contingent--or maybe it's just one person.  You can never be sure.  If any new evidence emerges, I'll be happy to consider it.

Why should I pm satry while in fact satry and I are officemate, and one more thing I don't have any concerns with satry cause she's not the campaign manager.  Try to construct a good paragraph cause your English is very hard to understand!!

I have spoken with what seemed to be both users who are accused here and am satisfied that I believe they are 2 different people. The whole reason for this thread was not to get everyone to be on my side and share my point of view, but to give the accused a chance to prove their case.

The 2 pms looked pretty curious, and there were some great arguments for and against these 2. Giving them the benefit of doubt here.

I appreciate everyone who made a post here and value every opinion that was given. You obviously will make your own conclusions here and that's 100% fine. I am just glad everyone gave me some points to consider

Yet you posted your chat logs. Why should you chat with Satry if you are "officemates"? It's a laughably irrelevant excuse in lieu of a simple yes/no answer.

Funny how you ignored the last part, i.e. how did you send the text of the message to Satry? You probably already explained this to yahoo who seems to be satisfied so why don't you explain it everyone else as well.


My offer with crayons still stands.

No, you're full of shit and I'm not removing my feedback.  It's fine if Yahoo62278 wants to, but the great thing about living in a free world is that we're free to disagree.

It is easy to all of you to judged before to investigate what was the fact...it is easy to give negative opinions than to set an option....we both joined in Yahoos campaign because we always follow yahoo. and its not bad to address yahoo "sir" because it signs of respect to him.

 That was the post before we explained our self to yahoo, anyway I'm sorry if I made an offensive words to you,  I'm just carried away to my emotions cause it's really hard for me to let go my account for accusing me which is not true, anyways thank yahoo for believing us and giving us another chance to be part in this forum.

I'm not your mate. I don't see any proof. If something has been proven to yahoo privately - I can't see that. My questions are simple and easy to answer. The belligerent responses are not helping.


How did you get the text of the PM that you sent to yahoo?


Oh FFS... whatever. I give up.

You are acting pretty muck like a prick here. Might wanna tone it down a bit. The Pharmacist is correct in his assessment, he has the right to keep his tag there. Just because they have convinced me they are 2 different people, doesn't mean they have convinced anyone else.

It is their job to convince the whole forum however they can. My opinion has nothing to do with whatever anyone else thinks

I am very sorry for causing trouble in this forum but we proved that we are not an alt account. I`m asking for help to vinz because that was my first time to message in personal to Yahoo because I dont know what to do since we are the same remarks. We promised that it will never happened again.

No need to be sorry because Yahoo has already removed the red trust but Pharmacist will NEVER removed the trust and it will be RED painted forever.  :(

If you don't know Pharmacist yet, you will know soon  ;D

Yeah i know this, You love Red color a lot ;D

I got a whole message personal due to were in the same deparment and he`s the only beside me so if there`s a question or anything I can easily approach him.

that's the point,  yahoo have already remove the neg. trust cause he knows that we already prove to him that we are not an alt account, and yet the pharmacist insist by not removing the neg. trust that he put in our account. i know each of us came here to earn money, although we cannot avoid people who are doing such thing like an alt account, but please use your power in a positive way not just by believing only to your self without making your own investagation for fair reviews.  you can check all my previos posts, btc address together with satry, you cannot find any campaign there that we use the same btc address. if you found out atleast one same btc address, no more explanation just banned my account right away.  

The pharmacist doesnt have life,probably his alt accounts are farming the signatures as of the moment.


do not do unto others what you do not want ~ i hope this douchebag will once again be removed to the DT list..
doesnt deserve his position,a cancerous godly member..

Please "the pharmacist" try to review my account from the start that I joined Bitcoin talk forum I didn't do anything that against the rules in this forum,  the only mistake that I've done was letting satry to use also what was my pm to yahoo. It didn't comes to my mind that this action could affect our account all of the sudden. because of this mistake it affects our credentials, even though each of us remain anonymous, but in my part  it's really stressed me. I hope you can still give us one more chance :'(

You said that were living in a free world, thats why were free to defend ourselves to tell the fact that we are not an alt account. So please, we begging you, its free to listen our side.

That doesn't answer my question at all. Seeing the incessant stream of bullshit from you and your "officemate" I don't really care anymore. It's between you and The Pharmacist.

unfortunately  such people have selective comprehension, and also selective reply, preferring not to reply to a direct question and answering something totally different is common in the POO river country
 but just in cast someone missed it...
in my perspective i see it that there are two office mates that are magically tied together in a tiny room with only one computer and only one keyboard so these office mates share everything,
they even have their
COPY & Paste linked on the same computer so it helps with their individual workloads. cant copy and paste across computers or systems as it is considered wasteful
the keyboard is broke in half so each use a different side of it.
a constant fight over who gets to click the mouse.
and when it is break time or that time of the month they even share the same tampon.
@The Pharmacist...
your prescription is right on target but it is missing a few elements like you said before that it was not only2 profiles but more and those are missing in your prescription

Amore Jaz

STOP Begging. You and We Do not Deserve to beg against the God Father " the pharmist"  who always make wrong decisions.

His Red trust does not matter. Keep on working and don't give a shit to him. ;)