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Title: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: TheHumanatee on August 11, 2011, 04:51:56 AM
Do these things work? I have seen ppl posting happy responses, but I'm wary of these, even though the amounts are small.

I'm referring to things liks http://bitcoinduit.com/game/viewRound.php?id=High_Roller
And  http://rand.bitcat.ch/?ref=54

What are your experiences with these?


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: nmat on August 11, 2011, 04:54:52 AM
They do work, but they are pyramid schemes. You win if people enter after you. Last people entering will loose.


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: tysat on August 11, 2011, 05:44:45 AM
There are so many of them now I wouldn't even bother.


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: Mushroomized on August 11, 2011, 05:48:15 AM
They work pretty well, but only if you get in early! Chances are if someone if referring you it is too late. That being said its a good way to get started with bitcoins!


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: TheHumanatee on August 12, 2011, 12:15:13 AM
Alright, well, I just tossed some coin at this

http://bitcoinduit.com/game/viewRound.php?id=Insomnia

come on aboard then : ))


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: edd on August 12, 2011, 12:27:04 AM
Alright, well, I just tossed some coin at this

http://bitcoinduit.com/game/viewRound.php?id=Insomnia

come on aboard then : ))

Hey, that one's mine!  :D

I like the pyramids better than random number generators since there is some skill involved in guessing how people will behave. Human nature being as unpredictable as it is, however...


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: CoinHunter on August 12, 2011, 05:13:40 AM
Alright, well, I just tossed some coin at this

http://bitcoinduit.com/game/viewRound.php?id=Insomnia

come on aboard then : ))

Hey, that one's mine!  :D

I like the pyramids better than random number generators since there is some skill involved in guessing how people will behave. Human nature being as unpredictable as it is, however...

Nice little site there. Do you have any other works?


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: edd on August 12, 2011, 04:03:45 PM
Alright, well, I just tossed some coin at this

http://bitcoinduit.com/game/viewRound.php?id=Insomnia

come on aboard then : ))

Hey, that one's mine!  :D

I like the pyramids better than random number generators since there is some skill involved in guessing how people will behave. Human nature being as unpredictable as it is, however...

Nice little site there. Do you have any other works?


Sorry, didn't mean to imply that Bitcoinduit was mine, just the Round "Insomnia" that TheHumanatee linked to. That one expired, BTW, but Insomnia_2 (http://bitcoinduit.com/game/viewRound.php?id=Insomnia_2) is just starting!


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: dree12 on August 12, 2011, 07:05:09 PM
Alright, well, I just tossed some coin at this

http://bitcoinduit.com/game/viewRound.php?id=Insomnia

come on aboard then : ))

Hey, that one's mine!  :D

I like the pyramids better than random number generators since there is some skill involved in guessing how people will behave. Human nature being as unpredictable as it is, however...
Aren't the RNGs more pyramid like than the bitcoinduit ones, which IMO are more like Ponzi schemes (you get payed with other investor's money rather than referal based towers)?


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: elux on August 12, 2011, 10:59:33 PM
Any pyramid or ponzi scheme will have a negative expected return on the investment for the majority of investors*.


*Victims (or suckers) are perhaps more appropriate words.



Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: ffuentes on August 12, 2011, 11:04:06 PM
I don't understand why bitcoin people talks about Ponzi and Pyramids as something good.  ???


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: -FaerO- on August 12, 2011, 11:07:21 PM
Works great if you promote. Make sure you arent the last. If its consistently growing as bitcat.ch is then there is no fear of loss. My method works great. I have several accounts, all verified, references of each other. Therefore increasing my chances of grabbing random referrals. Increasing my chances of taking the jackpot. & increasing my income as well as paying myself back for initial investments. I have over 18 accounts verified all branched off each other. Now by only round 2 of being in it I have made back my investment & am guaranteed to make more in the rounds to come. I will be set with a consistent flow of BTC trickling in through each account  as well as increase my income by adding more accounts as time goes on. Just know that you cant earn a referral for an account until it is verified. So you need to start with 1 & expand gradually. Ideally if we all work together we all help each other get paid. That being said I hope to see you all there. Heres my LINK:

http://rand.bitcat.ch/?ref=83

HappY TravelS

-MR. CranE-


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: the joint on August 13, 2011, 12:40:52 AM
Here's a fun one.  Only 3 in so far!  Chance to earn 150% of your initial deposit.

http://bitcoinduit.com/game/viewRound.php?id=Half_double

I want to reinvest :) Give me an incentive to do so.


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: dree12 on August 13, 2011, 12:48:53 AM
Any pyramid or ponzi scheme will have a negative expected return on the investment for the majority of investors*.

*Victims (or suckers) are perhaps more appropriate words.
For the majority of investments any pyramid or ponzi scheme with less than 2x payout will have a positive actual return though. Expected or actual, you choose.


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: TheHumanatee on August 13, 2011, 03:48:20 AM
http://bitcoinduit.com/game/viewRound.php?id=THE_Jackpot

Someone wanna pop in there and help a brother out?
: )


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: Kyt Dotson on August 13, 2011, 06:29:15 AM
There are so many of them now I wouldn't even bother.

Agreed. Pyramid schemes, as they proliferate they're going to eventually collapse beneath their own weight. Although, it does move BTC around. :)


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: RandyFolds on August 13, 2011, 06:45:14 AM
Works great if you promote. Make sure you arent the last. If its consistently growing as bitcat.ch is then there is no fear of loss. My method works great. I have several accounts, all verified, references of each other. Therefore increasing my chances of grabbing random referrals. Increasing my chances of taking the jackpot. & increasing my income as well as paying myself back for initial investments. I have over 18 accounts verified all branched off each other. Now by only round 2 of being in it I have made back my investment & am guaranteed to make more in the rounds to come. I will be set with a consistent flow of BTC trickling in through each account  as well as increase my income by adding more accounts as time goes on. Just know that you cant earn a referral for an account until it is verified. So you need to start with 1 & expand gradually. Ideally if we all work together we all help each other get paid. That being said I hope to see you all there. Heres my LINK:

http://rand.bitcat.ch/?ref=83

HappY TravelS

-MR. CranE-

Well, I doubt that's in the spirit of the game...


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: -FaerO- on August 13, 2011, 06:59:52 AM
Works great if you promote. Make sure you arent the last. If its consistently growing as bitcat.ch is then there is no fear of loss. My method works great. I have several accounts, all verified, references of each other. Therefore increasing my chances of grabbing random referrals. Increasing my chances of taking the jackpot. & increasing my income as well as paying myself back for initial investments. I have over 18 accounts verified all branched off each other. Now by only round 2 of being in it I have made back my investment & am guaranteed to make more in the rounds to come. I will be set with a consistent flow of BTC trickling in through each account  as well as increase my income by adding more accounts as time goes on. Just know that you cant earn a referral for an account until it is verified. So you need to start with 1 & expand gradually. Ideally if we all work together we all help each other get paid. That being said I hope to see you all there. Heres my LINK:

http://rand.bitcat.ch/?ref=83

HappY TravelS

-MR. CranE-

Well, I doubt that's in the spirit of the game...

The spirit of my game is profit :)


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: RandyFolds on August 13, 2011, 07:12:52 AM
Works great if you promote. Make sure you arent the last. If its consistently growing as bitcat.ch is then there is no fear of loss. My method works great. I have several accounts, all verified, references of each other. Therefore increasing my chances of grabbing random referrals. Increasing my chances of taking the jackpot. & increasing my income as well as paying myself back for initial investments. I have over 18 accounts verified all branched off each other. Now by only round 2 of being in it I have made back my investment & am guaranteed to make more in the rounds to come. I will be set with a consistent flow of BTC trickling in through each account  as well as increase my income by adding more accounts as time goes on. Just know that you cant earn a referral for an account until it is verified. So you need to start with 1 & expand gradually. Ideally if we all work together we all help each other get paid. That being said I hope to see you all there. Heres my LINK:

http://rand.bitcat.ch/?ref=83

HappY TravelS

-MR. CranE-

Well, I doubt that's in the spirit of the game...

The spirit of my game is profit :)

Not when the guy that runs Bitcat.ch sees that you're gaming the fuck out of his well-intentioned system.


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: -FaerO- on August 13, 2011, 04:33:25 PM
Works great if you promote. Make sure you arent the last. If its consistently growing as bitcat.ch is then there is no fear of loss. My method works great. I have several accounts, all verified, references of each other. Therefore increasing my chances of grabbing random referrals. Increasing my chances of taking the jackpot. & increasing my income as well as paying myself back for initial investments. I have over 18 accounts verified all branched off each other. Now by only round 2 of being in it I have made back my investment & am guaranteed to make more in the rounds to come. I will be set with a consistent flow of BTC trickling in through each account  as well as increase my income by adding more accounts as time goes on. Just know that you cant earn a referral for an account until it is verified. So you need to start with 1 & expand gradually. Ideally if we all work together we all help each other get paid. That being said I hope to see you all there. Heres my LINK:

http://rand.bitcat.ch/?ref=83

HappY TravelS

-MR. CranE-

Well, I doubt that's in the spirit of the game...

Should have considered that fact before putting it out. People will always find an exploit. If everyone was doing what I do then its just a matter of who does it more. Same opportunity all around. Its fair :)

The spirit of my game is profit :)

Not when the guy that runs Bitcat.ch sees that you're gaming the fuck out of his well-intentioned system.


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: TheHumanatee on August 13, 2011, 05:57:35 PM
bitcat.ch guys gonna make his $ either way, no?


This round worked out nicely for me :)

http://bitcoinduit.com/game/viewRound.php?id=THE_Jackpot


Title: Re: Pyramids / randomizers / etc
Post by: Kyt Dotson on August 13, 2011, 07:21:40 PM
bitcat.ch guys gonna make his $ either way, no?

I believe the primary reason that people who run these sorts of services discourage this behavior is because their potential customers see others doing it and rightly believe that their chances of success are reduced. The resulting culture of system gaming leads to a swifter collapse of the Ponzi scheme and the system itself and its promoter gets a bad reputation.  8)