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So I've been running a bot on my channel to fund my trading habits and it's been quite amusing to read the comments I get from people saying I dont.  So to prove them wrong,  I started showing it in the channel and it's now one of the attractions I guess.  Lots of people come to see if I have "lost yet",  which hasnt happened but a couple times.  Anyway,  I figured those who use freebitco might be interested in watching how I fund my trading account because when I lose,  I lose big..... in trading,  not freebitco lmao.  Feel free to drop in and see how it's going:  https://www.youtube.com/c/LiveBitcoinTradingStream/live (https://www.youtube.com/c/LiveBitcoinTradingStream/live)  Maybe you'll even see the thing lose,  but dont "bet" on it hahaha.  You can see a legend of what all the abbreviations in the bot window mean here at the bottom of the page,  it explains all the stats,  what they mean, etc:  https://freebitcobot.dynu.net/ (https://freebitcobot.dynu.net/)

This is a screenie of what it looks like when I'm running the bot.  I dont always have it shown, but its always running.  Sometimes my charts are full screen,  etc.

https://prnt.sc/jiqktm

Man, this is not cool at all. The people admiring you for doing this is fools. You are sucking a faucet dry, which is supposed to

be used by people, who has no means to buy bitcoins. It is a starter kit for people in need of a jump start. A lot of us admire

the people behind this site and what they have done for the Bitcoin community. When sites like these close their doors, all of

us lose in the end. Please stop this and use your skills for something good.  >:(

If I may say,this is not a good way to trade.

I disagree that it is a 'faucet' site.  For one,  its a casino that attempts to bait you in under the guise of a faucet.  True faucet sites do not run gambling sites imo.  Also it has a very high 5% edge as well as affiliates.  These are also not signs of a faucet but are the signs of attempting to lure people in which is what casinos do.  There are plenty of other bots to use,  just because mine is provably successful doesnt make it any different.  If the site goes under,  then it goes under.  There are plenty of other sites that will take its place.  It has been around long enough,  I doubt my bot is going to change that fact.  If they dont want bots,  then they shouldnt run a site that intices bot usage (referrals, etc).  Also if you actually used the site,  you would see the bot use all over the 'lottery' stats every week :)  There are reasons why I chose to use freebitco and not something else.  For instance,  I would never release a bot for a site that had no referrals.  There is no incentive with a site like that.

You should stop and think before assuming things.  The bot I run also isnt destructive in that it only works with 1 singular account and it doesnt attempt to abuse free rolls with 1000s of fake accounts.

As for not being a good way to trade,  I guess you didnt see my current open positions :)  Im smart enough to NOT trade with my own capitol.  How is that 'not a good way to trade' LMFAO.

Using Bot or Not, Abusing faucets or so-called gambling sites like Freebitco wont really be safe into abuse which there would really people who would really take the advantage specially to have those skills. Quite smart enough to create one even you are just using it on your own but if you tend to share up then it would really spread like wild fire. Just my assumptions too but high chances we would really heading that way.

Well since i have it locked to my referral ID I also have the ability to limit how many could use it if I ever felt like it was becoming to popular.  Not just anyone can use it.  It has to be authorized first and those auth rules could change if need be but as of right now there is no need.  This is why it took me almost a year to be convinced to release it.  I didnt want it going hogwild and I think I have that concern under control with the auth mechanism I put in that was actually suggested by a viewer which made sense to me so I created it.

#solosss, why did you create a separate thread under a Sockpuppet account? Based on what you wrote so far, it is clear that

it is the same person that are trolling in the Freebitco.in thread.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2070532;sa=showPosts

It does not matter to us that they have a higher house edge than other gambling sites or if they are not a pure faucet

site, because theft is theft... no matter where you are stealing from. This makes me think about the comments that some

criminals in my country are making, by saying that they are not stealing from people... but rather from the insurance

companies. To me it comes down to who the real victims are and in this scenario, they are the people that are using the site.

No matter if you are a gambler or a faucet user.... you still get ripped off by bots.  >:( ... The owner will just have to recover

 the money you steal, by increasing the house edge or paying less money on the free rolls.  >:(

I have no idea who "soloss" is and any admin of the forum could verify that simply by looking at my ip/location.  I am by FAR an anonymous "sockpuppet" lol.  I'm actually a fairly popular live streamer on youtube who also just happens to be a developer as well.  The bot I have released is one I've been using for quite a while on my trading channel.  Whenever I get raped in the trading dept,  I fall back on the revenue I generate from my gamblin' bot.  People have seen me empty it's account many times to re-fill my evolve account (which happens less and less these days because I'm getting better with trading lol).  I got many many requests to release it for others but I always refused because it was something I needed.  That really isnt the case anymore and couple that with a suggestion from a viewer that I lock it to only my referral ID and you get this little bot.  So that debunks that issue.

Bots are NOT anything new,  there are plenty to pick from but you'll find that any bot I develop would generally target those casinos with high house edges AND have referral programs on purpose.  If a site DOESNT have a referral program,  they have no worry that any bot from me would support their site.  Besides,  I have no need to support other sites at this time.  One is more than enough considering how well it does even with a super ridiculously high house edge site like freebitco.  Even if they raised the edge,  I could modify the bot to push that inevitable loss even further into the future.  The only thing it would do is require the user to use a higher balance.  Thats it,  thats all the house edge raising would affect.  Math is math.  Time is always on my side.  I can extend time as far as I want because it is infinite.  If you've seen my stream,  you would know this fact.  I literally run the bot 24x7x365 and it's only lost a few times.  Far less than what it has actually won.  And since I am in no hurry to take the gains,  I have plenty of time to wait for the gains to roll in.  Besides, if they raised the edge anymore,  it would just alienate the other non-bot users anyway.  That may or may not cause the site to die,  even if it DID die,  I could careless.  Something would take its place if there isnt one already available that could do so.  Therefore,  I dont care about the site's health or profitability and I certainly dont care for freebitco's "business practices" :) If it could even be called that to begin with.  IMO,  I consider it lack of ethics and I have no problem lowering my own ethics to their level.  Maybe you do,  idk but I sure dont.  Maybe thats why I'm able to trade with money I can afford to lose and you cannot.

As for stealing,  I am not exploiting ANY bug,  therefore it's not "stealing".  I use the site using it's own dice rules.  Therefore it cant be considered "stealing".  If anyone is "stealing" it's actually the casino.  IMO, ANY casino that uses an "edge" at all is essentially "stacking the deck".  IMO,  gambling should be exactly 50/50 and NOT profitable to either party.  Why?  Because gambling is a cancer.  It's a disease and those that pray upon that human issue will get no love from me at all.  So therefore they picked their side of the fence and I picked mine.  To me it's fun and even profitable to scalp the casino sites.  I then teach people how to trade with it which again IMO is the only type of "gambling" that is actually ethical since it has 0 "house edge" that affects your chances of coming out on top.  Poker is also a good gambling game I think because it too also has 0 house edge and actually requires some skill.  Rolling dice and giving someone lower odds to win than they should is just underhanded and requires absolutely no skill at all........ unless you're someone like myself who can reverse the curse by automating things and pushing the inevitable loss so far into the future that I'd be worm food before that event ever actually happened.

If you want to say "They dont allow bots" is one of the rules,  well,  clearly they dont really care about that because pretty much all of the public bots will lose everything (including all gains) eventually which is to the benefit of the casino.  It makes no sense for them to stop that kind of activity.  Just take a look at the "Lottery" section of the Freebitco site and tell me that it's not littered with bot use.  I'd laugh in your face.  They also are not going to publicly admit that they are lax on bot use either UNLESS it involves the free roll parts of the site or it creates an administrative nuisance such as creating 1000s of fake accounts.  This bot does neither of those.  It's mainly just a tool to push an eventual loss so far into the future,  that it's likelyhood of happening is near zero.  Which is also why I dont consider this a "get rich quick" bot either.  It's slow but still faster than the free rolls feature of the site.

Besides,  show me a bot who puts their money where their mouth is.  Does ANY other bot stream it's use 24x7?  Answer:  Yes............ Mine.  And it's the only one lol.  Thats says a lot about it's success rate imo.  If you dont like it or agree with it,  dont use it.  But dont attempt to bring out the moral card because I'll beat you silly with it :)  Those moral/ethical arguments are a two way street and I am a proponent of eye for an eye :P

Remember this 1 rule and you'll see where I am coming from:   NOTHING in life is free.  So stop thinking that freebitco is some sort of angel like charity lol.  It's not and neither am I.

I'm trying to understand the situation here but still don't get it , I opened the stream and I can only see a bot running with a chart window for trading
where is the abuse ?? is the OP doing anything wrong ?
in all sites no matter what bot you use you will end up losing so I don't know what's going on here ? was he able to find a leak or something ?

No you are correct,  all bots do lose and there is no abuse going on at all.  No abusing of some bug, etc.  It's all just math.  But I think what people have a problem with is that I'm able to prove that it's working by leaving it running 24x7.  Most videos you see of someone showing something is probably just a small clip.  But on my channel you're going to find that my stream is running 24x7.  I do not try to make quick gains.  Instead,  I come at it from a different angle and use TIME as my ally.  I push the inevitable loss so far into the future that the likelyhood of it happening anytime this year is supremely low.  So low that the faucet part of the site actually eats up the 5% house edge because the amounts I get from it are enough to offset any small losses it would have which in turn means those losses are now wins.  The more smaller wins I have,  the further out I can push the inevitable huge loss.  There is no "abuse" going on at all unless you consider winning as abuse (which appears to be the case here).  Apparently people think it's ok for a casino to ALWAYS win.  I happen to disagree.  There also seems to be someone very similar to myself who is doing the exact same thing but I'd never heard of him before until this thread.  I just read a few of his msgs and it's pretty clear to me that his first language is probably not english.  I do find it interesting that I'm not the only streamer doing this though.  I thought I was the only one heh.  Maybe not :)  But I have yet to find his so called "youtube" channel with 100,000 subs.  Maybe he's one of my viewers?  IDK.  I certainly dont have 100,000 subs thats for damn sure hahaha.  Wouldnt surprise me if someone was trying to pretend to be me lmao,  I do get quite a few views,  especially during bull markets.  Right now viewership is on the low end but thats because its still a bear market.  It'll pick up once BTC goes nutz again lol.

I also just increased it's speed slightly live on stream just to show how easy it is to modify it's efficiency.  Putting on the crash helmets :)  But even so,  this process is anything BUT speedy,  the speed increase is only comparative to the slow methodical betting it was doing previously.  To some people it would still be painfully slow haha.

yeah I don't see anything wrong , I think freebitcoin will appreciate that you are playing with them even if you are winning as long as there is no abuse
so not sure why the guy above is accusing you of stealing the site , since actually without players the site will most likely close 

I hope wetsuit and/or TheQuin will come buy and nuke your freebitco.in account. Not cool at all, thanks to your stupid actions many other users are affected. Use your computer skills for something else besides this.

This is no different than a knuckle ball pitcher being used in every game simply because he is providing the most wins.  All the rules of the game are followed.  Seems you have an issue with users actually having a fighting chance of winning.  If that's the case,  why dont you just send me all you're BTC since you think everyone should lose.

assuming he doesn't lie about what he's doing, I think he doesn't break freebitco.in rules
people misunderstood his post and the kind of botting he provides
he is NOT providing bot for claiming free rolls (faucet)
but he provides bot for dice play (multiply btc) and reaps good amount btc from referral bonus
though I'm still a bit confused about how exactly he's doing it, and the image doesn't tell much

The image is just a screenshot of my youtube channel.  I put it there as a comparison to it's current status.  You can also watch the bot in real time on my channel as well.  I could use the bot on it's own without referral bonuses,  but if the opportunity to gain more is there (in the form of referrals),  then why not make use of that too.  I have purposely developed the bot to be very profitable if used correctly because the more people can bet with it,  the more I would stand to make in referral bonuses.  I also prove that the bot is actually profitable on it's own by allowing people to see how I use it personally right on my youtube channel.  It GREATLY out performs the free roll stuff.  It's not even close heh.  So as long as you come into it not expecting to be a billionaire in 3 days,  you should do well with it.  For my old viewers,  they already know how profitable it is because they witnessed me using it to re-fill my Evolve trading account whenever BTC wiped me out lol.  But circumstances are changing to the point where releasing the bot is now something I can afford to do.  I no longer lose my ass as much in trading, so I dont really need it's revenue as much and a good suggestion to tie it to my referral ID was brought up by a viewer which made good sense to me and that resulted in this bot being released.  I now view freebitco as more of a mining operation than an operation to keep my trading account funded.  Although if I do get wiped out in trading, I certainly will dig into freebitco profit heh.

His site claims that his bot actually claims free-rolls which is faucet abuse and could lead to those accounts being banned from playing free-rolls.

When it comes to the auto betting side we positive encourage that. He may claim to have an infallible betting script that always wins more than it loses, but if that was possible then casinos wouldn't exist. We only have his word for his profits and my guess that the referral income is subsidising his betting losses. He is telling people to sign up to his referral link to be able to use the bot and then deposit 0.01 BTC and trust that he has invented a way to walk on water.
Watching a live stream isn't going to tell you anything as you can't follow it 24/7.

He has made a lot factual errors on his site about how freebitco.in works that I won't bother correcting here but this is too funny not point out.


He thinks there are no commissions, exchange fees or spread when you trade.  :D

Ah, so this guy created a fake betting script to beat the house, with the main purpose to whore his referral link? So in theory, newbies to Freebitco.in would signup with his referral link to try his fake betting script for the Multiplier? Well, let's give it to OP, he found a way to make some extra money, by doing this.  ;D

The flaw in this strategy is obviously the retention of the referrals, because they will quickly figure out that they were duped and they will stop playing.  :P

I've got an alchemy set I can sell him that turns base metals into gold.

Oh... I didn't bother to check his site.
If his bot is doing automated faucet claims, then yes wetsuit should take a look and take action on it

well they won't realize it until they lost the full deposit, and OP will try to get new referrals like he's doing now :P
when winning they would be excited and keep playing for bigger profit, and at the end lost it
winning or losing, OP keeps getting profits from wager referral bonus and reward points
and a few of them are probably depositing some more trying to win back the losses

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/12Qqr3tc8J3NfhM6W6PAyT6p7H9CybF52X

Proof is in the pudding.  Try to tell me I make up profits now.  As you can see i live streamed for 2 days with it running 24x7,  it literally doubled the account and i then withdrew 50% of the account (you can still see the pending transaction on  the live stream)  it will show up as an unconfirmed transaction whenever the 'slow' withdraw does its batching which i think is every 1 hour.

Hey TheQuin,  since you think fees in trading equate to a house edge which lowers your chance of winning a roll (or in this case a trade) enlighten me how a fee lowers the likelyhood that btc goes up or down lmfao.  Fees can be CALCULATED into stoploss and take profit lines.  So yes, please enlighten us hahaha.  Why dont you take a look at my 4 current open positions and tell me they are wrong ;)

And no I did not stop the bot after withdrawing.  Its still running :)  I am confident in this process because I have been using it for so long lol.  The inevitable huge losing strike has not hit in over a year so far.  Im sure someone will but ill take my chance and try it just the same.  Its hard to argue with success :)

Now tell me what happens if I win again, and again, and again before it finally loses once.  How much would I be up?  And how much would I put back into the account?  ;)  This current set of config has a 91% success rate.  So if I win 9 out of 10 account doublings,  you are telling me its not worth the risk right lol.  Its amazing how many people can ignore what is right in front of them.  Is it eventually going to hit a losing streak,  you bet it is.  But its not going to happen anytime soon and since the profit is in the users wallet (if they withdraw like i did)  it gives them the choice to continue or not.  Remember its a tool,  not a get rich quick plan :)  Take the profits and trade like I do.  Turn the profits into even bigger profits etc.  Its a lot of work to make a financial income but I show how its possible 24×7.  And if referral capitol is considered 'evil'  why does freebitco even offer it heh.

BTW,  TheQuin is correct in that the bot does have an option to roll free rolls but he is incorrect in that it automates it.  Go ahead and use that feature.  It rolls only once and it fails if there is any captcha on the roll :)  Its up to the user to figure out how to automate that.  I do not do it for them.

The proof that you are making a lot off of your referrals naivety and greed. That's not proof you have successfully become the first person in history to invent and infallible betting system.

It says on your website that you keep a balance of 0.05 to win 0.00000547 a day. That's means you have a high probability of winning but when you lose you going to lose big.

You're not the first snake oil salesman to pull that scam.

There is a flaw in your flaw.  Using this logic, there is a retention issue of gamblers to casinos since ALL casinos are mathmatically DESIGNED to make the user lose.  Why on earth would anyone ecer play again at any casino if the damn game is rigged to begin with.  lol

The site you are reading hasnt been updated in a while.  My viewers know the strategy I use now which is similar but slightly different.  Not so different as to warrant modification though.  I keep a 0.04 balance and withdraw at 0.08.  Its essentially the same mathmatically except I dont have to withdraw as often.

Btw,  how are referrals snakey.  If it is,  why does freebitco offer it.  So are you saying that its ok for the casino to offer the same service and its 'not' evil,  yet its evil for others to do that?  I fail to see the logic.  Is it my bot thats causing the true evil (which is the 5% house edge) because if it is I will fix it right away asap!  I do not stack the deck.  That is the site doing that,  not me.

Using your logic of 'making a profit' is evil can just as easily be applied to the casino..... and even to a LARGER degree.

I put in time and effort to build something and its not cool if im paid for it,  but its cool if the casino is paid for their time and effort for work they have done.   What kind of socialist crap thinking is that.  Are you a chinese communist or something?  lol

No, normal casino customers aren't being lied to that they can't lose. They understand it is game of chance and some win and others lose.


There are not, but lying to them is.

Really?  Lying to them huh.  How many posts do you see here where I use the word inevitable?  And how many times do you see me use the term 'too greedy'in my readme?  Where is this lying you speak of.  If you are attempting to say that math is a lie,  you have serious issues.  

I make no claim that the bot never loses.  I do however make the claim that I use time as an ally and push the inevitable so far into the future that its not likely to happen any time soon.  How is that a lie.  please explain and provide the math to back it up.

From your website:


That is what makes you a lying scammer.

Ahhh i see, so its your lack of intelligence to understand proper english that is the problem.  Read that a few times and tell me how it insuinates that it never loses.  Is english not your first language?  Maybe thats the issue.

While we are on the subject of snake'ish,  where exactly on the site does freebitco state their house edge in plain english?  It does do that right?  Like, they arent trying to hide anything in the math that some people probably dont do right?  I sure havent seen it.  I mean,  if we simply dont mention it,  its not lying?  Maybe I should remove the fact that the site stacks the deck and then I wont even have to mention the possible losses lol.  Ya maybe not mentioning it is a good plan since thats what freebitco does hahaha

I think you mean proper English.

It doesn't insinuate anything. It lies that you can help them bet longer withing losing. You can't.



(Also you need to replace the comma with 'for' to make it grammatically correct.)

Hmm so you do understand what it means then and are just making up stories to be an ass.  It simply means you will be able to bet longer.  It says nothing about never losing.  How is that a lie.  At least it tells you that you will eventually lose,  thats more than I can say for freebitcos statement of "Why not try to multiply your bitcoins up to 4,750 times by playing a provably fair HI-LO game!"

Where is the warning of losing i  that statement? If anyone is lying,  I would say its freebitco if we are to use your logic.

What you are referring to as 'snakey' is called selective marketing.  Freebitco is FULL of it and my own readme has a slight hint of it because it doesnt specifically say something like if you do this to much you will lose..... O wait,  actually it DOES say that.  Right at the beginning.  Hmm so ya, we are still left with you just making up stories again.

You are insinuating that freebitco is some sort of angel and those that promote it are not.  Tell me,  how exactly does freebitco stand to lose to the point where it attacks possible revenue streams.

By your own logic,  freebitco should be paying me a crap ton with all this losing people are doing........ Or is it that your trying to hide something that could sink your battleship?  I think its the latter.

No, that is a lie. There is nothing that you are doing that will allow them to bet longer. All you are doing is risking a large amount to win a small amount. It's just another dice script, they could hit a losing streak that wipes them out straight out of the gate.

Erm and how is that lying?  Are you saying it wouldnt take long to lose?  It says longer,  it doesnt say there is no possibility to lose.  It takes longer to lose if you bet tiny amounts.  How does that not compute?  Maybe you didnt see my live stream lol (which is STILL running btw,  even after my 0.04 withdrawal).

How do you explain my live stream btw?  I dont see you putting your money where your mouth is lol.  I certainly am.  Did it lose or did it win?  Did i lie about the withdrawal?  Did I lie about what I just proved in my live stream?  All the video evidence says otherwise.

So what is your motive?  Easy.  It does work and you dont wont people using it.  Its that simple.  Thats the only logical answer I can come up with.  Because if it makes people lose,  who stands to benefit from that.  Certainly NOT me thats for sure.  I only stand to benefit if people are successful in reproducing what I am doing on stream.  How do you not see that fact :)

Btw lets not forget that this was NOT some prerecorded video.  I did this live and its STILL live.  And we now have a BTC blockchain transaction to prove it was done live,  so save me the 'o its all staged' crap lol.  If anyone stands to lose a large amount,  its freebitco.  So I can see why you would attack a project like this.  But that doesnt mean I lie hahah.

TheQuin,  lets make this interesting.  Lets make a bet.  If my bot loses anytime this week while its running 24x7,  I will double what it loses and send it to you.  If it wins,  you send me the account balance it had at the end of the week.

You dont need to monitor it 24x7 since you can see btc transactions at any time.  I can also stream my deposit history if you like.

Are you still confident that I am lying now? Lets put your money where your mouth is shall we.

You are not doing anything to make that happen. That's what you are lying about. It is still a pure chance when the losses will come. Using your script changes nothing, but you claim it does.


They prove nothing. You just use them to fool your potential victims. Watching a live steam will mean most people don't see when you take a big loss. The withdrawals only prove that you are making money, not how you are making it.


It obviously makes us money as most of you're referrals will end losing whatever they deposit. I'm not actually here in an official capacity, I'd challenge any snake oil salesman that turns up on this forum with a dice script whatever site it is for. You can see from reading the other replies here that many others do the same.



BTW. You might want to check that your apostrophe key is working, you might need a new keyboard.

Its the keyboard,  i am on a phone at and it sux lol   So how about it,  put your money where your mouth is which will debunk or confirm your lying accusations,  a friendly bet on my bots effectiveness :)  Hell i will even let you pick the time frame of how long it has to run before it loses :)  I will make sure that whatever timeframe you pick (anything over 1 day) that the bot will double its account without losing it all.

I would even think about letting you pick the amount it has to win but then you would just pick something stupidly greedy and that wouldnt fly.  Account doubling is more than sufficient.

Your turn,  do you have the balls to back up your blatent lies that i lie.  hahaha say that one 10x fast.

If i were in your shoes,  idk if i would take that bet since its already proven to be able to doubke its account in less than 3 days.  So you now have a hard choice lol.  Think I can reproduce that result?  I certainly do.  And i can even prove it has nothing to do with referrals.  I will even stream that too.

Why don't you just put your personal stats page up on that live stream so everyone can see how much you have lost betting compared to how much you made out of your sucker referrals?

ok,  i will do that.  You will see that its possitive :)  Done.  0.07 possitive for this demo account :)  Will this update in real time or do i have to keep refreshing it.

Noticr how the referrals amount to pretty much nothing.

Damn, you're not getting much luck finding mugs for your referral income. Congrats on winning 0.077, we hope you keep playing  ;)

Ahh ok,  so we're back to this whole "Lying" thing again arent we.  Now is when you have a chance to apologize before I really embarrass you any further lol.  You really shouldnt lie about others man,  its simply not cool.  I just debunked your whole "Its all about referral" income claim.  Now what is your next excuse that I can readily help debunk.  This is for real man,  whether you want to believe it or not.  My viewers have been watching me for literally over a year using this bot to fund my trading account (which btw is also on the live stream).  This is no joke.  You have absolutely NO IDEA how many requests I got to release this thing.  But I absolutely REFUSED because if I released it in its form back then,  ANYONE could have used it and freebitco would have lasted maybe a day before it went bankrupt lol.  I only released it AFTER I put some sort of collar on it.  If I ever see it causing revenue problems for freebitco or feel its just being overused,  I can and will stop new referrals from being able to use it.  I could also limit it to how many could be running at any given time.  Thats not an issue right now,  so as of this very second,  it's completely open to any of my own referrals.

Freebitco has been a workhorse for me and I have no intention of changing that other than the plan to switch from actually using the bot,  to something more passive with referral income (again as I have stated before,  this was a suggestion by one of my viewers,  for a while I didnt even realize freebitco had referrals,  I simply didnt care to notice heh).  However,  I have 0 need for the referrals.  The only reason for change is simply to reduce the amount of time I spend on maintaining the account and restarting of the bot when it hits it's success levels.  Thats its,  it really is that simple :)  I have months of video history of using this bot and trading and emptying it to my evolve account, etc to back that up with.

BTW,  just so we are clear,  the account that this bot is currently setup with IS NOT THE SAME as the referral ID that is connected to the bot itself.  I did this on purpose so as not to skew the results of the bot itself because I foresaw people such as yourself who would claim that the account balance is coming from referrals and not the bot.

I almost forgot,  we still have a bet to settle.  You completely ignored the idea to put your money where your mouth is :D  What is your answer,  you have the gonads for it or not?

Just because you got lucky it doesn't change that you are lying. Your script is doing nothing to make them win longer, which is what you claim. You conveniently ignored that when I pointed it out.

All any casino would like is for people to play. Some of them win and some lose. I'm actually happy for you that you've won a little for all your effort. If you keep playing you'll increase your chances of giving it all back.

You should read this from an honest bot writer:

https://steemit.com/gambling/@seuntjie/why-botting-doesn-t-work-at-casinos

Thats great!  So how about it then,  a friendly bet on it's effectiveness?  If you're so sure of yourself,  it would be easy money right?  So whats up.  I can assure you I have PLENTY of BTC to wager :)  How about you?  You seem like someone who can spot easy money!  Let's make this interesting. lol

I'm calling you out the same way DougPolk did with Tone Vays.  $10kUSD in BTC was their bet.  I dont know if you have that kinda cash,  but if so,  lets do it up.  I have plenty,  whats your limit?

You seem SO sure of yourself that it would be stupid not to take the bet.  Tone Vays is NOT a betting man,  but he was so sure in his position,  that he grudgingly took the bet anyway.  I see you as the Tone Vays type.  Always so sure of themselves lol.

I've got no reason to bet on whether you win a bet. It is just a game of probabilities and chance. I do have a personal dislike for people that mislead other people into using scripts that'll probably result in them losing everything they deposit by making false claims about it.

That's just it.  You've only seen me win once.  I've seen me win countless times (as have quite a few others in my channel).  Luck has about as much to do with it as the color of my napkin has to do with the price of BTC (eating pizza atm).  How could you possibly turn down a sure win.  Hahaha.  Oh.  Wait,  that's right,  because you dont want people to realize that this process that I've outlined actually works well as it could sink freebitco.  A valid point..... if you admitted it,  it's not so valid if you keep ignoring that though.  Even I know it could sink freebitco,  otherwise I wouldnt have placed a collar on it.

  You think people losing to Freebitco is cool when they are not using any tools that would actually HELP them increase their chances,  but when they lose using a bot that changes the time frames,  it's somehow different.  Where is the logic in that hahaha.

Do you not realize that time and human emotions are the casino's WORST enemy IF the player realizes this?  Hmm I dont think you do realize it.  As I state in the readme,  this bot is a TOOL.  It's not a get rich "quick" thing.  It's a TOOL that stops the player from giving the casino their best advantage by far.... human emotion.  If players use the process I've outlined,  they will extend their playing time which in turn gives them more time to think about the "is it time to quit" conundrum.  If someone KNOWS they are going to lose at some point,  and they've been doing nothing but winning for a month,  do you really think they'll not take the opportunity to quit at the right time while they are ahead?  Maybe some of the compulsive types wont,  but a common sense person sure would.  I know I do and I prove it right on stream and it teaches others how to gamble with responsibility.  Something thats not possible without a tool if you're prone to bad quick decision making that is influenced by emotion.  Just let it do its thing and walk away.  Takes the emotion right out of it.  Thats what a bot does.  Casinos play on human emotions,  bots REMOVE that advantage.

IMO I think it's UTTERLY DISGUSTING that casinos play off human emotion and think it's cool (you seem to be in that camp with the casinos).

OK. I apologise for calling you a liar. You're a deluded fool that actually believes his own bullshit.

Seeing is believe isnt it.  If I were lying,  why the F would I put it on stream for the last year or whatever its been haha.  And if I'm just some sort of fool,  well then I guess I'm one that seems to be doing it right isnt it.  The live stream is my tool to counter people such as yourself.  Without it,  it would be quite different as I'd be able to prove nothing.  But thats not reality is it.  It's hard to debate the BTC blockchain and youtube history :)  (which is currently on my side).

Just keep believing man. I'm rooting for you to play long enough to blow your account and then find out what course you take then. If you're still up a little after what you've withdrawn will you walk away or will you deposit more and try again? That's what defines a gambler.

Always nice to meet one that thinks they've cracked it.

I'm out for today, enjoy yourself.

Ahhh ok,  so the REAL snake comes out of it's hole now.  I see,  so you like to see people lose.  Thats just dirty man.  I dont like seeing people lose.  No wonder you dont like my bot hahaha.\

Question.  Why do you use/promote chipmixer?  Most of the use cases I've heard using such services only do so after having stolen a large amount of BTC.  Are you some sort of thief?

I did not say that, I said I wanted to find out how you react.

Hmm ok,  well then I'll tell you how I'll react.  I'll react with another withdrawal of 0.04 once it hits 0.08 again :)  And if it just happens to lose,  well then I've already got 0.04 from my previous win to put back in and try it again.  You seem to think I'm playing with my own capitol or something.  I'm playing with house money here heh.  Thats the end goal,  and I think someone already brought that up,  to which I replied "Im smart enough to NOT trade with my own capitol".  I treat both gambling AND trading pretty much the same.  I did not put in more than I could afford to lose and the second I was up,  I've never looked back.  I have not put in my own capitol in over a year.  So even if I lost everything,  I'd simply break even.  And it's my belief that this is a reproducible process.  Whether it is or not wont affect me since I've already made it successful for my purposes and I'm so far in the black that no amount of losing in either trading nor gambling around affect my long term BTC hodl positions.

Hmm,,  that personal stats page isnt very useful.  I just had to refresh it to update it.  Thats annoying.

I think most users of this site wants you to lose, because the more coins you milk from this site, the higher the probability

that the owner might get fed up with this and eventually decide to close down the faucet.  >:( ...Why did you specifically

target Freebitco.in? {and don't tell me it was because of the high house edge} There are a lot of Casino's out there that are

highly unethical {Scam sites}, which you could have targeted.  ??? Does your bot work on other sites?

No the public version I released does not work on other sites but thats not because it cant,  its simply because I have no need for it to.  Originally I started using freebitco a couple years ago and have simply not needed any other site for the purposes I use it for.

The reason I specifically target freebitco is because it has a referral program as well as a supporting infrastructure other than the casino itself (the mining operation).  I have also used it on peerbet but that site is currently getting drained by one of my other friends who runs an account called "morecoins".  Perhaps you've seen his betting before.  IDK if he's still doing it or not,  but he made quite a bit off peerbet.  I didnt like it though because it didnt have the faucet nor referral part which helps me lower the bite that the 5% edge has.  It would be great if freebitco lowered the edge but I can tell you,  it wouldnt last very long against a bot such as mine.  I also targeted freebitco because it's supported by more than just the multiply game which makes it more resistant to the effect of bots.  It can withstand larger losses for longer periods of time which bots can and will do.

I will however say that it's not a malicious targeting if that's what you're getting at.  It's just a bunch of different reasons that culminated in being the perfect target.  Personally I wouldnt target a scamming type of site because in order to get started,  it would require me to send a known scammer my initial capitol.  I'm smarter than that.  Also,  scamming sites are more likely to cheat,  which is another reason I purposely avoid sketchy casinos.  Freebitco is probably the most well known/legit operation as far as casinos go which makes it the perfect target for my purposes.

You just set off the bullshit detector again. If you really had invented a way to beat the house edge then it would be far more profitable to play at a site with a lower house edge. What you have actually done is found a way to exploit naive referrals into believing your shit. You don't use it on any other site because you can exploit enough fools as it is.

why are you acting like that ?? the quin and freebitcoin guys don't like to see people lose , they are sure that all guys lose in the long run
your bot will crash at some point , so don't try to sell it as a guaranteed method cause there is no way to beat the house edge especially in freebitcoin where you should lose 5 times more than other sites

it's cool you are streaming , but that doesn't mean you invented a money making machine and hope that your referrals realize that

LMFAO at how much of a liar you are.

From your website:


You are a just liar that will say anything to try and dupe people into losing their money on you're pony dice script.

And?  What does proving a roll externally have to do with what the site actually does?  Are you insinuating that "provably fair" forces the site to use a provably fair result for a roll?  Because it does not,  it's optional for the site to do.  Just because a roll CAN be created with a provably fair algo,  doesnt mean it actually IS.  I could make a site that has 17 million "provably fair" rolls and easily sneak in a few that are not "provably fair".  Especially if I suspect the person is using a bot and not likely checking them.  "Probably fair" is about as useful as the text it's written in when you're using 100s of thousands of data points which makes it impractical to check every roll.  That is exactly why I even mentioned it.  So even though the CLEINT seed is RANDOMIZED by my bot (as recommended by freebitco itself,  but for whatever reason,  their own JS does not make the client do this,  kinda sketchy dont you think lol),  that doesnt mean jack shit as far as actual security of every roll goes and every person using a bot (or the site in general) should know this fact.

Now, do I suspect Freebitco sneaks in a few non-provably fair results?  No,  and I say so in that readme (which you didnt mention).  Because if it did,  I simply wouldnt use Freebitco and neither would anyone else if it were to ever be discovered.  But COULD it?  Absolutely.  So the possibility still exists that the practice could be started even though it may not have happened in the past.  This is why I've also thought of putting in "automated validation" of every single roll.  But I have not done so... yet.  It would significantly reduce the speed of every roll.  I think that if freebitco is ever caught doing that,  it will NOT come from a normal user,  but will come from someone who uses a bot with autovalidation.

From your post,  I'd actually say that you're suggesting that freebitco is NOT the most well known/legit dice site around.  Is that what you are saying?  I dont get it.  Someone asked why I targetted a legit site rather than some scammish type site and I gave the reasons for it.  They are the same reasons that anyone else would use for avoiding a sketchy casino site.  To risky.

BTW,  lets be clear here.  No one is losing ANYTHING with my bot.  If they lose anything,  its that they are losing it to freebitco due to freebitco's super high house edge,  not because of my bot.  You're attempting to place blame where there is none.  It's not my fault that freebitco is a thief and stacks the deck against the users heavily compared to other sites.  You should bring that up next time you talk with whoever it is that runs the joint.  People like me view people like them as thieves and I have no problem telling it like it is.  The real thief here is Freebitco (or more correctly ANY casino for that matter).  They chose to be a casino,  I chose to be someone who uses casino websites as my own personal piggy bank.  Dont like it,  chose a new career or start an in-person physical brick & mortar casino where bots are impossible to use.  Thats how I view it.

Do not Trust.  Verify.

I missed this bit.


You actually answered a question.


No, I was saying you were full of shit and would say anything to get suckers using your dice script. I was pointing out the contradiction in you saying that and then going on to say a load of bullshit about provably fair.


The edge pays for all the extras that you get... the RP that you cash in... the referral income... etc. As you again conveniently ignored:


What I'm accusing you of is lying about what your bot can do. Shit like this:


Equating gambling to a dividend paying investment. You make out that your bot is somehow giving people an advantage when it isn't. Someone could simply bet 0.000547 at 1.01x once a day and have a 94.06% chance. There is nothing your bot is doing to enhance that. By making more bets you are actually reducing their chances:

https://steemit.com/gambling/@seuntjie/why-botting-doesn-t-work-at-casinos

You just want them to reduce their chances so you get higher referral income. That's why I'm calling you out and not getting distracted with all your irrelevant arguments.

Is there not a way to stop this? He says he is online 24/7, so his bot must be running 24/7 to be profitable. How about setting a time restriction on connections that are online for periods longer than 2 hours for instance? There must be effective counter measure for bots like this.  ???

Just implement a rule for connections that are running 2 hours or longer will be "disconnected" and "disabled" for a period of time. He will then have to switch to other accounts and it might even disrupt his process.  ???

If he wants to f#$% you around, then just do the same to him.  ;)

I really don't want to stop it. It's just a script that will lose eventually. All he's doing is playing very low odds so it'll have a chance to go on a very long winning streak before the inevitable bust. Equally someone else could start off and get the bust immediately and lose their whole deposit. Overall for freebitco.in it is a good thing if he brings in referrals that deposit and play because that increases our turnover and then the house edge gives us a statistically probable profit.

If someone is willing to risk 0.05000000 to win 0.00000547 then they stand a good chance of winning but it will be very painful when they lose.

All I'm trying to do here is to point that out to people that they shouldn't fall for his snake oil.

broke_tradah, please give explanation about your APP LEGEND
(WL: Win or Loss result, B: The bet used for this roll, C: The current balance of the account)

Example 1:
WL:w|B:-|C:0.06775612|M:-
WL:l|B:0.00000001|C:0.06775611|M:10.00
WL:l|B:0.00000001|C:0.06775610|M:6.99
WL:w|B:0.00000001|C:0.06775622|M:6.99

Example 2:
WL:w|B:-|C:0.06775659|M:-
WL:l|B:0.00000001|C:0.06775658|M:10.00
WL:l|B:0.00000001|C:0.06775657|M:6.99
WL:w|B:0.00000001|C:0.06775669|M:6.99

Example 3:
WL:w|B:-|C:0.06775691|M:-
WL:l|B:0.00000001|C:0.06775690|M:10.00
WL:l|B:0.00000001|C:0.06775689|M:6.99
WL:w|B:0.00000001|C:0.06775701|M:6.99

Do I understand correctly script made a bet 0.00000001 BTC with PAYOUT 6.99 and won 0.00000012 BTC.

Hmm yes, there is no reason to stop his bot to be honest, if he is not breaking any other rule, though I think if the bot is also automatically collecting the faucet then it must be at least unfair to other honest people. The site like most faucets run on advertising so bots are not giving him any advertising results.

The edge is so high on this site that he must eventually lose. Just let that happen and his game will end.

If he is claiming the faucet we have detection systems and if they pick that up then the accounts will get blocked from the faucet.

The higher house edge is counteracted by all the bonuses. In the end, it will end the same with any house edge. Using a script long enough will converge the result towards the expected value.

Anyone can use Seuntjies DiceBot and use the programmer mode to create their own script. All the sites available there paid Seuntjie to add them.
https://bot.seuntjie.com/

All this guy is doing is using a system with a high stake and low profit target which is designed to try and take a long time to lose and thus fool people into thinking it works.

Actually you have it backwards because you continually forget that I am using time to my benefit.  I use a LOW stake for a HIGH reward, not the other way around because that decreases time,  not increase.  The legend for my script with all the abbreviations is on the site I linked at the beginning of this thread.  Its near the bottom of the page so that you can see what all the stats mean.  Btw I will be doubling the account yet again today,  you can watch it live on my stream :)

LOL. Time just makes something take longer. It doesn't change the odds.



The stake is the total risk not the amount of each bet.

Someone that deposits 1 BTC and tries to win 0.001 BTC has a better chance than someone that deposits 0.001 and tries to win 1.0

Your system tries to win a little based on a large amount risked.

You're not fooling anyone here but please do bring more customers to freebitco.in

The more stake i give it,  the more rewards points it earns,  the higher the free roll reward goes.  Just because it bets a lot over time doesnt mean its not gaining anything.  Just watch as I document this in real time for the entire planet to see.  I doubled the account already and it looks like it will happen again today as well from the looks of my live stream balance.  You think it will lose more sessions than it wins.  I dont even disagree with that.  However,  within this lifetime,  its going to win more than it losses.  I dont care about the time where I am worm bait lol.

You just keep thinking the way you do and I'll just keep doubling the account balance live on stream :)  Just sit back and watch me defy the odds heh.  Is it going to lose a couple times,  sure.  But ive also witnessed it winning far more than it losses.  The long losing streak that we all know is coming, is so far into the future that I will be worm bait before those circumstances happen.  You seem to think otherwise.  This is why I say time will tell.  The interesting thing im wondering is what will your argument be once you see me prove this and surpass 1btc without having a losing record lol.  Or even 10btc for that matter.  The more it wins,  the harder it will be for those perfect storm circumstances to happen.

Yeah, that's part of why we have a higher house edge. Referral income is 0.25% and RP cost another 0.25% then bonus BTc.... etc. all come out of that house edge. That's what actually makes us competitive with lower house edge sites.

None of that changes the fact that you haven't invented a way to walk on water. Some customers get lucky and win, others don't. Your betting script is designed to maximise the referral income you get, not you referrals chances of winning.

I know you don't believe this but casinos like to see customers win, so congratulations on your lucky streak. All casinos want is customers to play and give them a chance to make a profit.

Freebitco is a good faucet but their payments are annoyingly small!

Quite true.  You have to wager over 0.01btc every day to make it increase at all.  Otherwise it just goes backwards instead.  Every hour, it decreases the percent towards a bonus and when it reaches 0%,  it takes away any bonus you have earned and starts decreasing from 99% again.  This repeats until you've been pushed all the way back to the smallest free roll reward amount.  So to keep it moving forward AND keep it at a respectable level, you have to constantly be betting with multiply game.  A bot such as mine automates that for you.

Factually incorrect as always. You don't have to wager 0.01, it's a ratio of how much you win for free against what you wager.

What was a start balance for freebitco bot? It goes pretty good.

As much as you can afford to lose.  ;)

I am familiar with all dice the websites if you think that I am a beginner in gambling, then you are mistaken, I think and not the first time plays topicstarter and there is a chance that his boat doesn't merge.

I didn't make any guess as to your experience level. I'm just highly sceptical of this script. It looks to have been designed to maximise rollover and therefore the OP's referral income rather than the user's chances of winning.

There can't be any winning script in a gambling game that has house edge. Maths can prove that the more you play, the more your gains tends to -5% profit/amount wagered, in freebitco.in case.

Periodically I watched bot, sometimes opening stream, in one of such observations I have seen that the balance became 0.017 and the bet has reached to 0.00197000 then wanted to write here that bot has lost, however during when wrote, has once again come on stream and has seen balance 0.0792, really bot after all has caught green on the remained large rates or topicstarter us deceives and has just made a deposit. As far as I have understood, bot works at odds of 10%, it means that the sum of a rate increases by 10 times at a prize. Following from this we establish the fact that bot there wouldn't be enough balance even if he would win on a bet 0.0025, the balance at the same time wouldn't be 0.0792, and about 0.04.

It might not even be betting, it could easily just be a simulation. The bottom line is what Chris314 just said, there can't be a winning script.

Woke today expecting bot to be at goal.  It finally reached the goal but I had to leave for work before it did :P  I had expected it to win yesterday but alas that didnt happen.  Its not a speedy process but it works none the less.  And that can be seen on  stream right now as its sitting there waiting for me to empty the account before I restart it.  I'll be doing that omce I get back to my office.

  Not sure what the betting amounts have to do with anything,  they are dynamically created by the bot on its own and they can and will get quite large at times.  Thats when its most interesting for others to watch.  Its kinda like a close football game in the last quarter with a few mins to go because when its that high ome of 2 things will happen.  Either it blows up the balance OR it wins a crap load :)

I have received a couple nice PMs from those trying it saying that its very stable or something like that.  I guess other bots are not stable?  Whatever that means.  Idk,  I dont use other peoples bots,  I only trust what I develop myself heh.

TheQuin is correct,  I could very well be showing a test run....... except he forgot that I also display the freebitco site at the same time which validates the bets.  It has a link for every bet which anyone can see heh.  Posting those is fairly easy but they are only good for realtime validation while you can see the bet on the screen alomg with its bet amount.  So if I happen to be around,  just ask and Id gladly validate the rolls.  I also posted a withdrawal the other day which is still around here somewhere.

Acrually now that I think about it I'll take a screenshot of its current state (which is at its goal awaiting me to restart it) and then post the roll verification links.  That should prove the entire session :)

Using smaller bets means you place more bets and the closer the end result is to the expected value. I've already told you that countless times but you conveniently ignore it.


It looks like your script has crashed at the moment. The browser is showing the free rolls page, not the bet history. Even if it was that doesn't change that it is possible that you are faking things. I didn't actually say you were, just that it is possible.


I'll just leave that one there.

The word "success" doesnt equate to "crashed".  It stopped because it reached the account doubling goal of 0.08.  The same goal that it reached just a few days ago.  So its now 2-0.  In tests its record is usually 8-2 or 7-3.   A few times its also hit 10-0 with a few 9-1's sprinkled in.  The live version is well on it way to repeating that.  A test btw runs much faster than live.  About 100x or so faster,  the bets would just be a blur on the screen heh.

As in my readme I highly recommend using test mode FIRST to see how your balance would do with its current settings.  Once satisfied with tests,  let it go on live.

We still only have your word for that.

And still no answer to the important facts.

Like I have said about 5 or 6x already which answers those.  I NEVER said that isnt the case.  However,  you continue to ignore TIME.  Those will happen........... in time.  If you look back in the thread I even tell you when it would likely happen.  When I am worm bait.  I push those so far into the future with the settings used that its unlikely to happen in this life time.  I could care less if it reaches statistical perfection in 2yrs or 180yrs.  Maybe I am much older than you.

Its going to have to have a losing record and that WILL happen at some point but it wont happen any time soon.

I ignore it because it is bullshit snake oil.

Riiiiiiiiight,  time is bullshit.  Got it.  lol  So it takes the same amount of time to lose 1000sats with 1 bet as it does with 1 satoshi at a time.  Wow you are genius!  So, how did you achieve time travel? Please explain.

How long it takes to lose doesn't change the odds. It is not possible to beat a -EV game with a system. If it was someone much smarter than you would have done it many years ago and all casinos in the world would have closed down.

You haven't invented a way to win, you have invented a way to lure the naive into making referral income for you.

Erm, what I do has only been possible in the last 20-30yrs or however lomg its been with the advent of the internet.  If you check the thread you'll also see that I have already stated that this isnt possible at a brick/mortar casino,  to which you are referring.

Using your logic,  BTC should have been around for 2500yrs already.  But it hasnt.

20 or 30 years and you're the first smart dude to come along and invent a way to beat a -EV game. Yeah right. You'll find gullible fools to earn from but you're hilarious to anyone with a brain.

The same logic could be used for BTC.  Lets play "Im TheQuinn today lets bash BTC lol".  

It took 15-20 yrs to come up with a way to distribute a database over multiple devices?  Ya right.  Thats been going on since the advent of computers.  Data striping could have done this years ago to accomplish the same thing even before the internet,  Satoshi was just a snake oil salesman who got everyone to buy his crap!  How about usenet,  it's been distributing broken up files for years,  you can even piece together a file without having all of its parts!  BTC is just hogwash smoke and mirrors!


Hahah that was fun.

BTW,  I dont claim to have "beaten" anything.  I simply push the inevitable so far into the future that it's inconsequential for my purposes.  And I certainly didnt claim to be the first at anything either.  If you read the 1st couple lines of my Readme,  I even state that there are a zillion bots that do very similar things and then point out some differences that I do compare to most other "Freebitco" bots.  Im sure there are bots for other services that have the same strategies or close to them as what I use.  I dont personally use any of them so I dont know for sure but its not that difficult.  I just dont trust anything I didnt develop myself.  Freebitco included.  I do not trust it,  but that doesnt mean I wont use it carefully.

The name is TheQuin, one 'n' like I told you earlier. You don't have a clue about logic. I originally thought you were just another scammer preying on the greed of the naive. As time has gone on I'm leaning towards the view that you are actually dumb enough to believe your own bullshit. That makes it impossible to reason with your logic because you don't have any.

I'm sure thats how it appears from your view.  Thats how it appears from anyones view when they dont understand something.  In order for you to understand any of this,  you have to understand that time is just as much an element of math as the house edge.  The closest way I could tell someone how to visualize it is the geometry/trajectory example.  The smallest changes at the beginning of something affect the outcome at exponential extremes at further distances (distance in this case is time).  So those satoshis that keep getting added to the balance have a profound affect on the account balance further into the future.  If 1 satoshi is the difference between a win or loss,  I'd take that 1 satoshi to make it a win.

What you are trying to describe is a V shaped betting session.  What I describe is more like a Wedge shape.  You cannot compare the two and call them the same even if they have the same outcome with different time tables.  Different shapes are not the same.  In order for them to be the same,  they have to be equal in all formulas.

Since you mentioned odds,  the bot actually does change the odds btw.  It changes them downwards so that it can bet smaller with a higher probability of losing each individual bet.  What does this do?  Nothing as far as the outcome is concerned OTHER than to push the actual outcome further into time.  And the more time you give it,  the more likely you are to eventually win.  You just have to hope you win before the balance hits 0.  Sometimes it doesnt work out,  but most of the time,  it does as I've been showing on stream.

Maybe I use time in a sense that is foreign to you.   You do realize that Time is also your account balance right?  The more your balance has,  the more time you have to stave off the inevitable statistically perfect losing streak.  When I say "Push it so far into the future",  I am talking about stretching your balance as far as mathematically possible.  The effect of that is that it takes time to stretch the balance.  How does it do that?  Like I said,  it lowers the odds which allows you to use less of your existing balance to win the same amount as what you started with (which is 1 satoshi).

Yeah, I was right again, you really are deluded.

BTW,  while we're on the subject of "beating casinos".  You do realize it IS possible right?  It's well documented pretty much everywhere you look at a betting information site.  Do you want to know what the secret is?  It's VERY simple.

Drumroll please....................................................................


Have a bigger balance than the casino.

#YouWin

It wouldnt matter if it were an online casino nor a brick/mortar.  The biggest balance ALWAYS wins.  Why?  Well,  do you remember what I said about time?  Time is money.  The dude with the most time can outlast/buyout everyone else.  Money is power.  Thus time is power.

I could probably destroy freebitco if I put 4000BTC in my balance and let loose my bot on it.  We could even prove that by simulating it if you like :).  Or if you have a couple extra 1000BTC laying around,  I'd be happy to let it loose on the site just to prove a point haha.  Yes,  my bot CAN rape the fuck out of any casino..... given enough time (or in your terms,  balance).

And thats not even a lot considering how much some people are walking around with.  So yes,  it IS possible to beat casinos and people do it all the time.  IDK where you got the idea that casinos are some sort of indestructible force.  They are NOT.  If one of these rich mofos gets a hold of my bot,  freebitco could beg me to disable their (or even everyone's) use of it.  I'd be more than happy to do so if they cant stop the person otherwise.  I'd be well aware of it's use since my referrals would suddenly increase like mad :P  However,  thats never going to happen because people with that kinda cash are not interested in taking out a small time operation like freebitco.  But if it does....  the red phone is over there on the desk.  How many other bots offer that as a feature.  None that I know of.

So yes I am WELL aware of how to beat casinos and my bot has already been developed to combat such a situation.  My goal isnt to "beat the casino".  My goal is to gain referrals so that I dont have to keep maintaining my own bot (as you see today,  I have to maintain it by emptying the account by 50% and then start it up again).  I could automate that process,  but I choose not to.  It provides me the opportunity to say "ok,  this is enough for now".  Automating that process wouldnt give me that choice.

Yeah, more deluded idiot.

That's why we and all casinos have a maximum win. That's a very small percentage of the bankroll. If someone gets lucky and makes a dent in the bankroll the max win is reduced. That makes the decay an exponential that can never hit zero.

Please do increase your bankroll and try. Oh but wait:


So maybe you are the scammer looking to fool the naive after all.

Naa,  your reading to much into that.  Its just a "risky" setting that I wouldnt use personally.  Its completely possible if you have the gonads for it.  BTW, you realize that the "max bet/win" doesnt hit zero before a casino goes under right?  What do you think would happen if the "Max win" was 1M satoshis.  How many people would use the site other than the person who is milking it for everything it has?  No one would have the incentive to do it except the person who is RICHER than the casino.  So while that "max win" goes down,  so does the "max bet" of the person using the bot.  It would just end in a game of chicken,  who's going to quit first.  The malicious botter,  or the majorly revenue deprived casino?

My bet is on the botter since their balance will be exponentially larger than the casino from all of it's winning that it's done as well as what they walked into it with (which was already larger than the casino to begin with).  You cant argue with time :)

I'm not. If you really believed your system worked you would risk more to make more. Why just pick up pennies if you really had invented a system that worked? You could just increase everything by 10x or 100x and make that much more. You don't because you a are a fraud living off the referral incomes of the fools that believe you.

Because I dont have the required balance to do that.  If I had 4000BTC,  I'd show you what this bot could do to freebitco.

How about this,  instead of running the live betting,  I'll give the bot 4000BTC and then let it loose and we can check it's balance again in a few days.  How much of that 4000BTC could freebitco withstand?  4K enough?  I could give it 400000BTC if that'll help.  Might not even take a few days to break the bank.  I've already got the max_bet setup so that it doesnt go over the current max_win.  I'm sure I could give it enough balance to eventually destroy whatever balance freebitco has.

So yes,  in theory, my bot CAN "beat the casino" if it's given enough time (AKA balance).  I dont care how high the "house edge" is or what maxes it puts on the wins.  You CANNOT beat time regardless of what your house edge is set to.  Every casino that has ever existed has always had a LIMITED amount of time to win from it's players.  Why?  Because time is money.  Money is time.  The more money you have,  the more time you have.  Time is infinite,  but money is not for any living being on this planet.  In order to prove that the bot can destroy a site,  it just needs to be given more time than the casino has.  Its my opinion that there are people out there that can and do have that kind of capitol kicking around when compared to a small time operation such as freebitco.

I am well aware of this and I coded my bot to be mindful of that fact.  I guess luckily so because clearly you dont understand that the casino isnt infallible with certain circumstances.  The other interesting thing is that this balance of time doesnt even need to come from 1 person.  It could actually be spread out among many.  I purposely put a collar on the bot because I understand all of these possibilities and I want no part of helping to destroy anyone's business.

And thats....... The rest of the story.  lol.  I'm fine with just the referral income once it becomes viable to stop using the bot myself.  If the referral income doesnt roll in,  I will just continue what I've been doing for the past year and that is exactly what your own suggestion was.... to use the bot myself.  I already do this (as witnessed in my year of youtube video history),  so IDK why you even bothered to mention it haha.  Convenience is actually a thing.

Back at the office now :D

Here is the SS of what is currently on my live stream:

https://prnt.sc/jkaekb

And here are some of the roll verify links that come from the bet screen.

Winning roll
https://s3.amazonaws.com/roll-verifier/verify.html?server_seed=562b4e27ca6c866d6d0389fb81341d3cbb3e4d2173ee0fe6e35e5fc936023c0a&client_seed=yUm1M51701a0YsA2&server_seed_hash=ad4018053055f05b01f5c0bcfd706500bdaf0e5828ca373b63075d6be9b89b6f&nonce=5792438

https://s3.amazonaws.com/roll-verifier/verify.html?server_seed=636fcca4ce2d1553e5c27152242abf7c24a2a1eeff9c978582604a439f4c5c09&client_seed=yUm2M37701a0YsA2&server_seed_hash=ce0f11f6b3b3f77395ecf1ed9a239fc0d176a63521aae56eb004293fa7c4345e&nonce=5792437

https://s3.amazonaws.com/roll-verifier/verify.html?server_seed=0e8818b825c294fe0fbb34e226905be05e6bbce454c827e9fa035bbb93bd2b27&client_seed=yUm9M65201a0YsA2&server_seed_hash=1a9156043c7691d6d26c0d004aafa8b9b628488b6a5810111515ac0f81d5e8f1&nonce=5792436

Bottom line,  these are very real :)

That is because your system doesn't work. Anyone that had actually invented the perpetual momentum machine to make free energy sorry a betting system that worked would keep it to themselves and gradually increase the stake and base bet. They would also spread it around different sites so as to maximise their gains.

On the other hand, a scammer like you would just target dumb n00bs to earn referral income by making a script designed to maximise rollover.

Edit. Oh, frickin' lol. I just looked at your screenshot in that last post and saw it is a progressive betting system. Bring it on big boy. Convince your bank manager to lend you enough to buy that 4000 BTC. Just tell him to watch the live stream as it is so convincing. /facepalm

It's not a progressive system,  I dont even know what that is.  I would think a progressive system progressively increases something I guess idk.  Maybe it is but I've not heard it called that before.  It's an Odds Martingale system in that it uses martingale on the odds rather than the balance.  It'll decrease the odds, then it figures out the lowest possible bet to cover the previous losses.  That's called martingale.  Most private bots use this method from what I've seen at other places that allow you to see other people's bets (such as peerbet, safedice, etc),  most public bots do not and instead just use a bet doubling thing (normal martingale).  This will not double a bet unless you configure it that way (it can be setup to use normal martingale, but I dont like it because sessions dont last nearly as long even though you bet WAY more than the way I like things which would be better for referral income),  it'll actually do the complete opposite.  It'll reduce a bet instead (which actually reduces the referral income significantly when compared to normal martingale on the same time scale) whenever it reduces the odds.  This is much different than a normal doubling type of martingale.  Sort of like a reverse martingale I guess,  idk.  It works well enough for my purposes.

And just because I dont have a certain bank roll to prove that the bot can break the bank of a casino,  doesnt mean it still cant be proven.  Like I said,  I could easily prove that with the test mode.  Also,  like I said before, the best way to "beat a casino" is simply to have a larger bankroll than the casino.  It's just that simple and it's actually not that difficult if enough people band together and assault a casino with their combined capitol.  It happens all the time with online casinos.  They come and go faster than running water.  Time = money and money = time.  The person with the biggest bankroll wins because they have the most time.  Time trumps any finite math you through at it.

That explains a lot.


I didn't say that. You don't trust or believe in your system enough to use any winnings to increase your stake and minimum bet to make a larger profit. If it worked you would be able to do that. You can't because you are just a lying charlatan spouting a load of pseudoscience bullshit about how you invented the time machine.

Trust has nothing to do with anything.  Anyone with any common sense (which clearly isnt you I guess)  Would be able to read and understand all the posts where I agree with the inevitable loss scenario.  However in order to win enough to break the bank with my own current bankroll, it would take literally centuries.  Besides my goal has and never will be to break freebitcos bank or 'beating a casino' or whatever.  You brought up that idea,  not me.  I just corrected you in that it is possible where as you seem to think its not lmfao.  My goal has always been  and remains to be to make enough to fund my evolve trading account and thats it.  Nothing more,  and it does just that perfectly fine.  So to replace that income with referrals,  I might (not sure yet) need more than just my viewers because I am very successful at using this process.  Thats really the only reason I even decided to post here to begin with lol.  So your claim of distrust is just ludicrous.  If it carried any truth at all,  I simply wouldnt have been using it myself live on a stream for the last year or whatever its been now.  Your assumptions make about as much sense as putting rocks in coffee as a creamer..... which,  I need atm,  off to get coffee!

So you haven't actually got anything then.


I'm not talking about breaking the bank. I'm pointing out that you only risk a small amount because you know you'll lose it. If you really believed in your system you'd reuse profits to ramp up your winnings. You don't do that because you're actually just out to get referral income.

Nope,  the change is one of convenience, not need.  Maintaining the whole workflow is actually quite time consuming.  Referral maint would be much easier.

Yeah right, it would be inconvenient to win more.  ::)

There is more than enough history of it being profitable,  some of which I have posted here dispite your claims that it wasnt possible to begin with.  When I predicted the future,  you called it 'luck'.  Twice right here in the forums and then proved that it was very real directly afterwards.  I must be quite the prophet.

Off to meeting,  back in a few hours

It is very difficult to tell which as you keep switching from one to the other. I'd think the fact you're not prepared to increase the stakes points more to the fraud that knows his betting system is likely to bust at any moment. It probably has done countless times but as nobody can watch a live stream 24/7 you can easily hide that.

Btw,  I think it goes without saying that if anyone loses with this,  freebitco stands to win more than I.

Therefore using your own logic of "Ya right it would be inconvient to win more" as a sarcastic way to say 'bullshit',  to something that is being proven right before your very eyes,  I'd say it DOES work or you wouldnt be attempting self preservation by attacking it.

It works both ways bud.  If this is such shit,  you would keep your trap shut as freebitco would stand to win quite a lot from it.  Using your own logic,  the opposite is obviously true.  You no longer get to make up excuse like 'snake oil'.  Because according to you,  no one turns down a money making opportunity for convenience or other perfectly logical reasons.

I don't see how his life stream proves that his script is profitable at all?
if you watch his stream right now,you would see that his freebitcoin balance is stuck at 0.006 btc or something like that
no betting is going ,it doesn't show the rolls or the balance change etc.
if there was a script to let you profit off the 5% house edge gambling site,some would have made fortunes playing 1% HE sites
free cheese we all now where you can find at....

I already told you I'm speaking for myself here, not freebitco.in

Of course, any site welcomes script and system betting. It increases rollover and therefore potential profit. It is a complete misunderstanding of the industry if you think they care about individual outcomes.

That's because it is not possible to design a system to consistently beat -EV.

Ya i have a couple different accounts as explained earlier in the thread.  I purposely separated the betting account from the referral account.  I do occasionally check the referral account which is what I had done and forgot to switch back :P

*COUGH* MAJOR BULLSHIT *COUGH*

LMFAO.

You misunderstand yet again. I didn't say I wasn't responsible for support. I am saying that pointing out your bullshit isn't support. The support role involves answering queries about the site and sorting out customers problems for them. I am also free to continue using the forum exactly as would have done before being given that role. I already said earlier in this thread that I'd be giving any snake oil salesman that turns up here with a fake betting script a hard time whatever site it was designed to run on.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigt.  Ok bud LMFAO.  The first person to aggressively attack a possible threat to the site just "happens" to be someone affiliated with the site and does so by saying it's 'not in that role's capacity'  haha u crack me up :)

That makes about as much sense as your claim that people will never forego possible income for such logical reasons as its to time consuming, not needed,  or whatever the reason may be.  In your world,  donations must not exist at all using the logic you live by.

It's a good thing you arent on a debate team.  You'd be getting raped right about now lol.

So now we're calling it a fake betting script are we.   It looks pretty real from where I'm sitting.  Those transactions look pretty legit too.  How do you suppose I knew those outcomes were going to happen before they even happened despite all your 'its all fake' claims.  hahaha.  It couldnt possibly be that I've been experiencing this for far longer than you have could it?  No,  that couldnt possibly be it.  It cant be right,  I mean,  it's not possible for anyone to win!  We coded this site so that everyone losses damnit!  WTF we have to attack this thing asap!

See,  what you're forgetting here is that people have been beating casinos FOR CENTURIES (yet according to you in a previous post no one has or they'd be out of business).  Here is why you're delusional in thinking that casinos cannot be beat.  How many card counters do you know are banned from casinos?  I know of 3 personally.  I also pointed out that online casinos are VERY vulnerable to bots,  another claim you think is false despite the amount of turnover in the industry DUE to bots heh.  I then also showed you yet another way to beat a casino,  simply have more time (AKA bankroll/money/whateveryouwanttocallit) than the casino does.  You seemed to think that was horseshit too.  Do you see where this is going?  You dont really know very much,  I'm pointing out all the flaws in your logic,  and you still dont get it.  The bottom line is that there are more ways than you realize of beating casinos (or in my use case,  simply being successful and not having a goal of 'beating' anything just like any other card counter thats ever existed,  the goal is to be successful,  not break the bank by perpetually becoming more greedy simply because what we do is successful like you are insinuating).  Being successful is not as hard as you're attempting to make it out to be and I've been proving that right before your eyes all the while you ignore whats right in front of you lol.  Ok,  well,  maybe you're not ignoring it and you actually know whats up and that it posses a threat,  which is why you're so aggressive about it.  That to me is the REAL reason why you do/say what you do.

Believe it or not, I really don't care if you misunderstand my motivation here.

I just don't let people selling shit have an easy ride. I'm not convinced by your pony live stream and I know enough about the casino industry to know that your system is simply designed to earn you referral income at the expense of any fool that runs it.

Oh so now I'm selling something (your hallucinations are amazing,  keep them rolling in :),  how much am I charging for it btw.  I need to make sure I get those payments as I have received none!  Receiving a referral is not 'selling' anything.  It's simply a referral.  You seem to only like referrals coming from people who have absolutely no chance at all at being successful.  The minute something shows up that gives them a fighting chance,  you're all over it like white on rice.  Because that's your job :D

Now your English is letting you down. As in selling someone an idea.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/sell

I see,  so using your own logic,  Freebitco is deceiving it's own users by 'selling itself' here in the forum with it's first post.  Gotcha.  So all salezmen sellin' goods are deceiving!  haha,  cant make this shit up.  Keep it rollin' :)  Man I wish I had you as a debate opponent in college,  this would have been a cakewalk haha.  You are so easy to bait into predicable replies lol.  Gotta watch out for those cement walls man,  they are pretty solid lol.  I havent had this much fun in a long time,  coworker asked wtf was so funny,  I am dyin' laughin over here.

Declaring oneself the winner of a debate is usually a very strong indication of having lost it.



The difference is so blindingly obvious I would have thought even you could work it out.

I said you're 'selling shit' as in the false hope making easy money to gullible fools.


That is just an accurate list of what freebitco.in offers.

You do realize that's a LYING/DECEITFUL statement right.  Freebitco IS NOT A FAUCET.  It's a CASINO (as by your own admission).  The faucet is a RESULT of the 5% house edge (Again by your own admission,  I believe it's even broken down somewhere,  like 0.25% comes from this and that yada yada yada which then totaled 5%).

Damn lying salesmen always trying to pull one over!

I would die laughing if the Excaliber in Las Vegas starting billing itself as a "Faucet" simply because IT HAS A REWARD PROGRAM thats funded by its GAMBLING REVENUE.  hahaha.  The freebitco "Faucet" is no different than any casino's "rewards program".  This is like pickin candy from a baby :)

So why doesnt that list of "Features" have this as a bullet point,  since it's 100% factual:

* HUGE 5% house edge!  You're sure to lose!

Instead it has this:  "Why not try to multiply your bitcoins up to 4,750 times by playing a provably fair HI-LO game!" and it makes NO MENTION that you're more likely to LOSE than to actual multiply ANYTHING by 4750.  Like seriously?  4750?  WHAT IN THE ACTUAL F... ahahaha. 

Damn lying ass salesmen.

It is both. Unlike the other casinos, they do not stop you using the faucet at a certain balance and you can go all the way up to withdrawal without having ever wagered a single satoshi.

I do like how you keep trying to change the subject. You obviously like to distract from your shady betting script being put under any scrutiny. That website of yours is just a wall of text that has no information at all that is relevant to explaining how using it gives any advantage over any other betting system. It is all there to distract from the fact that you have no advantage at all.

Changing the subject?  I'm not changing anything.  I'm simply using your logic to prove that Freebitco is just as "Snake Oily" as my bot.  BTW imo NEITHER of them are "snake oily".  But for debates sake,  I am using YOUR logic,  to show why you why you're wrong in what a bot can/cant do.  You're trying to apply non-logical assumptions to something that simply isnt true.  This is why I'm able to use your own logic against you.  Let me put it another way.  You're a pot calling the kettle black.  It's as simple as that.

My Readme is absolutely NO DIFFERENT than that statement you posted yourself.  Where in that statement of yours (or his rather) from his first post does it mention that you have about as much chance to win 4750x as you do of being hit by lightning.  Dont you think it's rather 'odd' that that FACTUAL statement is MISSING.  Wouldnt any 'good salesman',  like you claim wetsuit is,  provide such crucial information freely without the need to find out on your own.

This is why I call BULLSHIT on your "I attack all snake oil claims on my own" excuse.  Thats such horseshit and you're doing nothing but helping me prove it with all the claims you make.  You attack things that pose a threat to the CASINO.  Not to the users of the casino.  Casinos are the BIGGEST CROOKS on the face of this planet.  Period.  Well,  ok maybe not the biggest.  North Korea's govt is a pretty big crook.  I'll give them 2nd place.

That is what is known as whataboutery. You want to argue about freebico.in business practices to distract from your own. There's a large amount of that on your website as well.

Your script is designed to maximise your referral income at the expense of any fool that uses it. That's what I'm here to point out. Nowhere can you explain what your script is actually doing for the victim that downloads it. The best you can do is come up with some bullshit about time that just makes you sound like a stoned new age hippy.

Really?  There is nothing I can do to show them what it does before they download it?  Are you completely blind or just acting silly?  Since when do you need to dl anything to watch a youtube live stream or check validation links (which can be done at any time, I have plenty here to check)?  Who said they had to DL anything to see how it works?

NOTHING shows how something works better than ACTUALLY SHOWING IT IN ACTION.  Wow the retardary coming from your corner is really large at this point heh.  Take a break for a while,  you're just grasping at straws now.  You need to take some time to think up some better arguments :)  You're getting destroyed here.

Since when is "time" bullshit.  Time is money bro.  Money is time.  Time is infinate, but money is not infinite for any living being on this planet (as far as I am aware anyway).

You're just getting repetitive now. The whole live steam looks extremely shady and easily faked. Nobody can watch it 24/7.

Explain how your script gives any advantage.

If it's so "easily faked",  then please,  explain how it was done.  I mean,  those BTC transactions look pretty real to me bro.  So do the roll results from freebitco's own verification links that back up the rolls that are shown in the live stream.

The "Advantage" my script gives is time.  It really is that simple.  The more time you give a person to make a rational decision,  the more likely they are to make the right decision to stop when they are ahead.

FFS. Is that it?  :o

That all it does? It works slowly.

Edit: You have given me an idea. I'll invent this really good system that only logs in once a week and only places one bet using 5% of the balance. It'll take years to lose everything.

Yes it works slowly,  how the hell do you think I live stream it 24x7.  I certainly am not going to live stream something thats over in 3 seconds.  Thats rather pointless now isnt it.  Besides,  where is the fun in 3 seconds of glory?  Its MUCH more fun to watch something slowly rise than to see it go up to the moon only to fall to 0 in the span of 2 rolls or however long you think someones session should last.  Apparently you think it's not even possible to push that inevitable loss into the future and I've been doing nothing but prove you absolutely wrong this entire time.

The difference between MY long time, and YOUR long time is utterly disgustingly huge.  My way of doing things provides action literally every second of every day.  Yours is about as boring as watching paint dry.  It's awesome to watch the bets get higher and higher and then suddenly they end in a WIN.

It is impossible you fool. You have no control over when the random losing streak comes. It could happen immediately.

You are not giving any advantage and anyone using this thing will lose.

It could come immediately?  Go ahead and prove it then.  It seems my live stream is clearly incapable of producing such results.  The likelyhood of it happening on the 1st roll/session/try/whateveruwanttocallit is so stupidly low its not even worth considering.  For the same reason that expecting to win 4750x (going back to the 4750x claim thats so prominently displayed right on the Freebitco homepage) on the first roll is stupid.

Fire up your own live stream,  DL the bot,  run a test.  If it doesnt lose on the first try (you dont get to modify any of the settings either,  nor the default balance that it ships with),  I win.  Or make your own bot that uses the same settings I do.  I dont care which,  the results would be the same.  Or if you have the balls,  do it with a live balance.  I'm doing it,  why cant you.

Like I said before,  nothing proves things better than actually showing it in action and thats exactly what I do.  I dont run tests.  Everything I show is LIVE betting and I've done more than enough to prove that.  You on the otherhand,  have shown absolutely nothing other than links to theory sites.  That proves nothing unless you can prove it on a live site the same way I am doing.

I'll warn you now though,  the math required to come up with the bets that my bot makes.... will take you a long time if you attempt it by hand.  And you'll be prone to errors.  It's best to just let my bot do it for u.  lol.

You can't understand the first thing about probability to say that. However improbable a result is it still could happen the first time you try it. Like someone I know won their very first 9920x bet on another site.

Thinking that playing low odds makes it 'possible to push that inevitable loss into the future' is either deluded or just snake oil. I really can't tell which it is with you.

If you can fool people into using this then so be it but having a sensible debate with someone that comes out that nonsense isn't possible.

So you're saying that there is absolutely NO possible way to win.  Right.  That's your stance?

Then go disprove my 2 already existing BTC transactions.  Tell me how those are fake,  and explain why the transactions match my Freebitco account along with how all the roll verification links match up.  Then explain how I knew that those 2 wins would happen,  BEFORE they happened.

There is only 1 possibility.  That I am confident in what I am doing because that confidence comes from experience of having been doing it for over a year successfully.  This debunks your claim that "its not possible to win" quite soundly.  You tried to say it was "luck" on the 1st time,  then you didnt even bother to respond when I repeated it a 2nd time.  And I'm going to be doing it a 3rd time here in the next couple days from the looks of the balance as it's riding its way back up to 0.08.  You also tried to say "oh u probably lost in between",  but all I heard were crickets when I shows the BTC transactions and the freebitco stats pages that you asked for.  Oh,  apologies,  no it wasnt crickets I guess,  it was "congratulations you got lucky".  This isnt luck.  This is a process to be sucessful.  It's not however a process to ALWAYS win.  It's just a process to be successful which is VERY different than winning EVERY time.

No, I said many times before that making more bets will make the end result converge towards the expected value. The best way to win is to make as few bets as possible and get a higher variance of luck. If that luck is in your favour then you'll win.

That's something this guy understood. https://www.crypto-games.net/player/Correy972

Thats not true,  the longer you bet the higher the convergence?  No.  The odds are the same no matter how many times you've flipped the coin.  However you can come up with a process that helps you win more flips than you lose over time.  You could have a machine do it for instance (such as a bot).  Does it changes the odds?  Absolutely NOT.  But does it change the expected outcome?  Yes,  for a time,  until the machine breaks down or something in the environment changes..  The question is just how much time.  For my purposes,  the time it affords me is all I need to be successful,  I dont care about the time that comes after that.    Just because the theoretical end is always the same,  doesnt mean you cant be successful.  You're having major issues seeing past that fact.

Heres a question that you might understand better that uses the same exact 'eventual tragic end' theory.  Do you drive a car with confidence?  If you KNOW that the wheel is going to blow out and eventually run you into a tree,  why do you even bother driving?  More importantly,  are you being successful at getting from one place to another by driving that car thats GOING to wreck at some point if you drive it enough.
(I have the answer to this and its the same exact answer I'd give for why I use the bot,  its likely something you wont answer correctly,  I'll give you the chance though).

Theory works both ways,  it supports more than just your side of the fence.  You're choosing to only look at the eventual wreck and you're completely ignoring the success thats being had BEFORE that event occurs.

Oh dear. http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Stochastic_convergence

Convergence is BS.  It's already been disproved (or more correctly, better understood) using Entropy Criteria.  It basically allows for my car meeting tree criteria to not always end tragically due to the success had during the random events.  You didnt bother to answer it,  so I'll let you know how I would have answered since you didnt know how.

The success of getting from place to place allowed me to afford the cost of insurance.  Thereby allowing me to completely disregard any worries of wrapping the car around a tree like a bad game of twister.  It's also the same reason I am confident in driving the car.  I know how to drive it and I'm not afraid of any bad random events that I know are coming.  The same principle applies to convergence.  If the success affects the outcome enough,  convergence will fail to produce it's expected outcome in the expected time frame.  It does NOT change the outcome nor does convergence change the probability either,  but it does change the time in which the outcome occurs.

If you live life in fear of death,  you have not lived at all.  (Google that one at let me know what shows up,  exact phrase,  by putting quotes around it).

Ok, let's do it simply by going back to the coin flip.

If you flip a coin twice then there is a high probability that the result will deviate from the expected 50/50.

If you flip 10 times then the probability of 5 tails and 5 heads is higher than it was of 1 and 1.

If you flip 100 the probability gets closer to 50/50

If you flip 1 million times the variance from 50/50 will be very small.


What is so difficult to understand about that.

Download https://bot.seuntjie.com/ and use the stats windows and you can watch it in action. The longer you leave it running there nearer luck gets to 100%

Haha the coin and environments are not "keeping score".  It doesnt care how many times you've flipped.  The likelyhood (or more correctly probability) is STILL 50/50.  The coin flipping machine (which always flips heads),  appears to defy the odds...  How is that possible?  It's not.  It's just a tool used to help with success of avoiding an eventual truth.  This is called Entropy Criteria.  Humans have modified the environment to extend the time it would take for the inevitable to happen.  :)  Long enough for our purposes,  we dont care about what happens after that time.

No, that's the probability that the result will be the expected value, ie. that you lost to the house edge. I only used the coin flip to explain in simple terms what convergence is in statistics because you don't seem to understand.

And since we dont care what happens after the machine flipper breaks down,  we can place confidence in the machine as long as it's operable and in good working order.  It could still break,  but the odds are so low that any rational person wouldnt lose confidence in it due to it's proven track record of always producing the same result.  The same is true with any casino bot if it's used AND developed correctly.  It can and will produce a winning result (not just mine, but any properly developed bot) long enough that the eventual losing streak is simply not going to happen any time soon which gives confidence in using it.  Does it change the odds?  No.  Does it change the theoretically probable end?  No.  But is it displaying the ability to stave off the inevitable,  yes it most certainly is.  But it's a tool,  it's not a magical get rich perpetually magic pill (like you keep insinuating),  it has to be used correctly and maintained.  Otherwise it will not perform as expected.  This is why I never deviate from the settings I've been using.  They have been proven to work well enough such that it allows me to be successful for as long as I've needed it to be.  I could care less about the eventual theoretical loss that is coming.  Why?  Because the success I've had using it (again with the insurance example) has allowed me to prepare for that event.

So you really believe you're the first person in history to invent a betting system that can defeat a house edge over a large sample size of bets. I've done my best but arguing with a delusional fool is pointless.

I'll leave this here again but I doubt it will sink to you.

https://steemit.com/gambling/@seuntjie/why-botting-doesn-t-work-at-casinos

I never said anything of the sort.  I've actually said the complete opposite (lots of people are successful playing with casinos,  self included).  You're the one that seems to think no one has invented a way to beat casinos or even be successful.  The evidence is all around you if you open your eyes.  Why dont you go count cards and see how long it takes that casino to ban you from coming back.  They arent banning you because they dont like the way you dress or because you're going to milk them dry into bankruptcy.  They'll ban you because you're winning more than they want you to (and its their prerogative to do so as a private business they can serve whoever they want and they choose to only serve those who are to stupid to win).  The reason casinos ban card counters is the same exact reason that people such as yourself (employee/volunteer/whatever of a casino) attack obvious threats such as my bot to the casino bottom line.

Or go ask some of the failed online casino owners why they had to close up shop.  I'd bet most of them will tell you it was due to botting of some sort that caused them to become bankrupt or not profitable enough for them to continue.  I'm already well aware of this fact and thats why I've developed it in such a way that it can be disabled should the need ever arise (no thanx to you of course lol,  you're welcome).

See,  I equate you attacking my work the same way I would view a casino attacking a card counter.  They are not "protecting the innocent".  They are protecting the casino's bottom line.  The difference is that you try to paint it like thats not what you are doing,  but your actions speak otherwise.  Does it make my opinion of you any more negative than someone else?  No,  you're just doing your job.  It is amusing to beat you up in debate though.  I hope you are paid for this.  I'd would suck for you if it were not a paid gig lol.  I cant say you'd stand a good chance of receiving a raise though with the way you've been getting beaten in debate :)  It might be time to dust off the ol' resume heh.

 BTW,  Dont believe everything you read.   DONT TRUST,  VERIFY.  You should try it sometime.  There is more truth to that bitcoin slogan than you could possibly imagine.  Dont believe me?  Verify it for yourself by actually trying it :)  You'll need to be my referral though ;) hahaha

You like to leave links,  so here is one that you should check out :) 

https://store.blockstream.com/product/dont-trust-verify-tshirt/

I had to go out so I didn't have time to deal with that brain fart of a previous post of yours. This conversation is about online dice betting and you use card counting as an example. If a deck isn't shuffled then the outcome isn't random so skill gives an advantage. It isn't relevant to this scenario in any way.

I have already told you this falls outside of my job description. If you weren't a wet behind the ears n00b with no clue you would know that I've been challenging people about their lack of understanding of probability and mathematics for 5 years here and only working for freebitco.in for under 2 months.


I'm an oldskool Bitcoiner so of course, the motto means something. Pretty crap looking T-Shirts though. That's why I don't trust your pony live stream. It doesn't verify anything. You could have already blown up a dozen accounts over the last year and just opened new ones. Explain what the system does and someone can verify the mathematics and probabilities.

I know you are a bit lacking in understanding but I've thought of an even easier way to explain the disadvantage of making more bets that even you might be able to understand (although I'm not hopeful).

For any given betting system there is a sequence of results that will result in them hitting their maximum loss. A small sample size is less likely to contain that sequence than a large sample. Surely even the village idiot can work that out, can't you?

Download it and try it the fools says.  ::) Yeah because a sample size of one really verifies it. Not to mention, I'm not dumb enough to install software of unknown provenance.

it's a dead discussion mate , you can't change someone's mind when he thinks that he can beat the casino
best thing to do is to just notify the newbies that come by here that there is no bot or script can make money playing casino games

But, but.... he's declared himself the winner of the debate twice already so it must be true.  ::)

I've seen a lot of these idiots come and go over the years but this one's level of self-delusion and arrogance is right up there at the top.

but you have to agree that he is a)funny in his delusions b) promotes freebitcoin ,in his own way :)
my only concern is that he is using some sort of automated faucet cliaming software
it is the only way his script can  be "profitable" since he doesn't spend much to run it (except for paying some fees to captcha solvers)

My accounts dont have captcha to begin with and I only use 2 accounts anyway which is unlike most free roll abusing types who have 1000s of accounts.  Thats not my game,  to much work.  So I have no need to solve them since it'a already passed the bot sniff test that wetsuit put in place which is to deposit 0.01BTC or there abouts depending upon BTC price.  0.01 should be enough.

TheQuinN acts like all the links I posted to BTC transactions,  roll result links that verify those in the videos (as they happened live for the entire planet to see and witness) are some sort of smoke and mirrors trickery (which obviously they are not).   He hasnt told me how to fake BTC transactions and roll result verification links yet.  I dont think he knows how or thats its simply not possible.  I think he's referring to something like photoshopping things,  but uh,  you cant photoshop a real link which is why I posted links along with the screenshots and videos.  If I could photoshop a BTC transaction, BTC would be worth less the LCD juice used to display it.

It's not possible to convince someone the sky is blue,  when they are constantly looking at with with their head in the sand and saying, no it isnt its black!  The only reason he does so is simply because it's his job to protect the casino's bottom line under the guise of helping others (the best lies are those that have half-truths in them).  Every casino has such a (or even several) monster and it takes a very special type of snake to literally help someone lose their capitol.  He's not like the hot chick that serves your free drink who will conversate for a tip,  he's a completely different type of animal that'll do it just because it gets his rocks off (and he's paid for it to boot,  although I am not sure if he is paid or not,  if not,  that would make it even worse in my book).

It could easily be.

Or you might just be getting lucky. That's how gambling really works. Some people get lucky and win. Systems don't help.

Wow,  and you call yourself a long time BTC guy yet you say it's "easily faked".  Now THIS I gotta hear!!  Please,  enlighten us on how to fake BTC transactions!  So I can decide on whether or not I need to dump every satoshi I have right now since such a fakery method would destroy BTC's credibility.

And ya,  it musta been ..... luck.  Such luck that I was able to predict it would happen...... BEFORE it happened.  See,  I posted here and you started arguing BEFORE I even posted any of those results (which were being built up as you were arguing,  on the live stream).  Then I posted results,  you claimed "luck".  Then I did it again,  you ignored it.  Then I did it yet again today (you'll likely claim 'luck' yet again).  So which is it,  luck or trickery?

Even if it IS luck,  I STILL want to hear how BTC transactions can be faked.

You are so dumb. A withdrawal doesn't mean you didn't just deposit it to withdraw it.

Verify don't trust. I don't trust anything you say.

Ahh I see so ya you're calling the sky black with your head in the sand again.  Still,  I want to know how its SO EASY to fake a BTC transaction.  The deposits are just as much a transaction as a withdrawal and they are just as visible.  It's to bad freebitco doesnt use ETH transactions for every roll and balance change.  That would be fun.  We could bring ETH's network to its knees all the while making fun of TheQuinN heh.  There is a new place I've been scoping out called edgless.io that I'm hoping does just this.  If it ever gets off the ground,  I plan to try it out with da bot.  But I dont think its going to work out..... because bots will walk all over it and send it into bankruptcy faster than you can say SHIT THAT WAS FAST!  Maybe wetsuit's new version of the site will be ETH based.  That would be fun.

Listen.


Where did I say it was easy to fake a transaction?

Giving a link to block explorer showing a transaction doesn't prove your snake oil system makes money.

Even if you did win a bit it doesn't mean that wasn't down to luck.

You're like a broken record just repeating the same shit.

wish freebitcoin has stats systems like other gambling sites have , this is the only way to prove if gamblers are up or down
just like MikeTheMug in bitsler where he keep saying that he has methods for easy money , but when you try to see his stats you will find that the stats are hidden

MikeTheMug does have methods for easy money and they are working
the thing is that he makes money not from gambling,but from referring gullible fools who believe his strats are working
he is smart and a very good marketologist,he promotes his "systems" on youtube and many other social media sites
when he records his amazing runs he never mentions that they are carefully handpicked out of dozens failed ones :)
his "systems" are like this:10% increase on loss 5% increase on win 1.1x multiplier and similar,it requires you to wager and wager alot
so he can harvest the affiliate comission,but truth be told, I saw his stats,his comissions are 5 btc+ on some sites,so he is successful,yes

I think you can see your own stat on freebitco.in, although they do not out the history on every single bet you made but yet you can see how much you loss and win there. It is pretty normal to have this personal stats there. And for the method, may bs they have but to make that work on every single bet,  I do not think that it is going to work since it is all depends on your luck. Although you use the same method then you will have different outcome

clever... so that just to make his referrals wager a lot and he collects big referral bonus out of them
geez, 5 btc+ from ref bonus 0.25% :o 2000 btc, so that's the total accumulated wager of all his referrals
quite impressive number, how many referrals does he have?

That's why these snakes like systems that roll over the same money time and time again, even though that reduces the chances of coming out ahead.

I don't see sense to continue disputes with him, I saw what I saw, the balance has been lost, it either the simulator or it has filled up him later. Anyway it is scamer.

I guess my bot users have made some sort of impact to the casinos bottom line (as I was explaining could happen despite all the arguments to the contrary heh).  I guess my video proof was more than just fake :).  It appears the site has made changes to how it sends data during multiply rolls back to the client.  It's now encrypted.  How annoying.  Temporary setback I guess.  Just have to reverse the JS to see how it decrypts the json and then get back to drainage of the swamp.

Quit breakin me bot lol.  It's innocent of all charges :P  Or perhaps someone was lying about how it 'would for sure lose'.  LOL.  Actions speak louder than words.  If the casino truly doesnt care about bots using the multiply feature,  then revert the change :P  Otherwise,  I rest my case,  this bot was far more successful than you were willing to admit and I proved it.  Thanx for the free BTC btw.  Much appreciated.  My users thank you as well.  We'll be seeing each other again soon :)

If you wish for us to not continue to bot the multiply game,  then just say so.  As the saying goes...  Cry out the word:  UNCLE!  and I'll just target a different site.  But if you come up with some excuse like "o its just a normal change" or something of that nature then I'm going to assume everything is ok and I'll adjust the bot accordingly to resume operations.

Dont trust.  Verify.

If you haven't worked it out yet this isn't a very fruitful place to find the kind of suckers you're looking for. Read the last few replies that aren't from me. You'd be better off sticking to Youtube and the like.

Ahahaha riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.  STFU TheQuin,  actions speak louder than words.  The site has clearly been changed with regards to multiply roll responses no longer being in clear text JSON.  So since you're going to try to deflect the obvious and not cry uncle,  I'm just going to adjust the bot to the new changes and continue.  If it's an inadvertent change,  cool,  but I suspect its not.

And if you're putting any credit into him seeing my referrals account and then trying to call it the betting account,  you're pretty delusional.  I had already told him what that screen was and I'd even mentioned it BEFORE he even said anything.  I had explained to you yourself that I purposely split the 2 accounts :)

Believe it or not, that type of bot is a problem.

You're still not fooling people here. Switching accounts hey? How many busted accounts did you have to replace over the last year?

I meant multiply roll.  This "change" can be verified.  Remember what I said about "Dont trust.  Verifiy".  And that actions speak louder than words.  Shit on FREEBITCO's end has changed.  Nothing has changed on my end.  Therefore I'm not the one trying to hide.  Freebitco is.  It appears I have won this game of chicken and proved (by way of actions taken by freebitco) that I was very successful in draining its swamp.  Otherwise,  if everything were as you say,  NOTHING on freebitco's end would have changed.

It's that simple.

Open chrome,  bet 1 satoshi,  open inspector to the "network" tab,  right click "Save as Curl" on the roll result,  drop it into console,  and watch it spit back an ENCRYPTED result.  (This is for MULTIPLY btw.  I dont give two shits about the free rolls,  you knew what I meant).  The ONLY reason to encrypt the result would be to stop bots from using the multiply game.  There is absolutely no other reason for it.  None what so ever.  I dont care who says what,  actions speak loudly here.

This "should" give a result in plain text JSON.  But it no longer does this.  It's just an encrypted response which some JS then decrypts so that the browser can display the result to the client.  Previous to my bot,  all results were in unencrypted JSON.

I'm off-duty here as you already know but my guess would be it is the same code for all rolls. You are so deliriously funny and full of your own shit to think it is about you. The lack of self-awareness not to notice how every poster in this thread thinks you're system is a load of bollox is quite breathtaking.

Riiiiiiiiiiight.  Its not like the time span between my announcing it here and the odd changing of the multiple roll results being encrypted have anything to do with it.  This bot has been running just fine for MONTHS.  Until I decided to post about it here.  Then it all of a sudden starts showing signs of protecting itself against the multiply rolling?  Ya thats no coincidence.

If your words carried ANY truth at all.  Then Freebitco would do the complete opposite and setup an API for bots to use the multiply game.  Period.

Do it up,  when can we expect the multiply game API?  Other sites have it (peerbet for example,  proof is in the pudding:  https://www.peerbet.org/developers/peerbet_v1/?type=dice).  Whats the hold up here.  If this change isnt to protect the multiply game.  THEN PROVE IT.  Undo the change and then we can talk.  If it remains,  then it's clear,  this thing is having an impact.

You really are a complete muppet. It is not a coincidence that we banned over 100,000 accounts yesterday for abusing the faucet.

I'm not talking about yesterday am I.  I'm talking about the change that literally took place at exactly 6:30am PDT today that is encrypting roll results for multiply game.  None of my accounts nor any of my users accounts were touched.  We're simply waiting for freebitco to get it's shit together and either prove it's ok financially regarding the multiply game or just say hey,  this is costing to much.  And we'll go elsewhere.

A change made necessary by the increase in bots abusing the faucet, not some deluded pillock with a betting system that he's failing spectacularly to find gullible fools to use.

Let me remind you of something.

THERE IS NO REASON TO ENCRYPT A FREE ROLL RESULT.

Why?  Because there is no action to take place AFTER the roll.  You simply roll, and dont care about the result.  You do realize that my bot's free rolls feature still work right?  Why?  Because it doesnt care about the result you complete retard.  This only affects MULTIPLY rolls in which you NEED a result to calculate what the next bet amount should be.  Man you are daft.  Stop harping on the free roll stuff,  that feature of the site still works just fine as far as my bot would be concerned.

What part of "RESULT" dont you understand?

I'm bored listening to your bullshit right now and I have more interesting things to do this evening than argue with your delusions. Enjoy talking to yourself because the Gambling board on the Bitcoin Forum isn't going to yield the gullible idiots you're looking for.

This has nothing to do with gullible anything and everything to do with an obvious change to Multiply roll RESULTS (which are need for bots to determine what to bet next, etc).  Clearly freebitco lost the game of chicken we were in and swerved hard to port.  Actions speak louder than your babble :)  Freebitco's own actions have proven my point for me.  Thanx :)  I sat here with a LIVE 24x7 stream of everything I was saying and now we have Freebitco's action in a direct attempt to stop the bleeding.  No matter what you say now,  you've been proven a liar lol.  But its ok man,  it's just your job to protect the casino's bottom line.  You're still a good man just doing his job.  No ill feelings.  It's not your fault that the deck was stacked against you.

Thats right,  run along little one.  Go play with the bugs and birds that have the same intelligence level as yourself LMFAO.

You know,  even though the site has clearly blocked multiply rolls on purpose and broke my bot,  I really dont even care.  I'm actually satisfied with the fact that I was proven correct by the site itself.  This should help people take notice that being successful in a dice game is VERY real and that the bots doing it are not doing it for the fashion statement.  There truly is something to this,  I documented it every step of the way and it ended in the predicted outcome that it would be the casino that swerves off the road first,  not my bot.

I see that the multiply roll result encryption wasnt the only change either.  Freebitco is gearing up to have advertising also from the looks of things:

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<     $(".advertise_link_stats").click(function(event) {});
---
>     $(".advertise_link_stats").click(function(event) {
>         window.location.replace("http://freebitco.in/?op=home&tab=advertise");
>     });

Previously that advertise event was blank.  Now it's got an actual URL.  Hurting for capitol much?  lol.  That link doesnt do anything yet,  but my assumption is that it's probably for admins anyway :P

EDIT:  I left the above post intact because unlike some people around here,  I actually will admit when I was wrong :P  I have since noticed that I was incorrect about the encryption.  It wasnt actually encrypted,  it was that wetsuit removed the Br compression header yet chrome browser says it was requested which threw me off for a little bit.  Good "DUUUUUUH" moment lmao.  So,  the chicken game is back on :)  Chalk one up for the freebitco team,  that was a good curveball.  Looks like wetsuit is just cleaning up his spaghetti code and removed Br from the headers of all requests.  But whatever,  it's now working again heh.  Game on :D  I look forward to running you through the mud some more with my success haha.

I have since withdrawn 0.16 (4 more 0.04 wins) and recorded 1 loss of 0.04.  Whatz up bubz.  I thought you said I'd lose it all.  lol.  All I hear are crickets.  You gotta watch my youtube live stream sometime,  maybe you'll learn a thing or 5.

UPDATE:  6-21-2018 (Yep, it's still live! lmfao)
Now also have a Discord channel with LOTS of people having success here:  https://discord.gg/xkRH8R
Deposits: 0.05BTC
Withdraws: 4.842BTC
Record: 7-1 (record is since the start of this thread,  I've won much more than this in the past)

No longer using 0.05 as a starting balance.  I've kicked it up to 0.5 and withdraw at 1.1BTC.

Since there is request for you @broke_tradah, i am helping you to "Digout" this thread.

Hah,  good one,  digout the thread :)  467 days later My bot still rollin 24/7 live every day.  Ya,  tell me the strategy and bot isnt successful again haha.  I guess their site cant say the same.  It literally just died :/  Been down a couple hours now.  I hope I didnt bankrupt them right off da interwebz lol.  Or maybe they done pissed off the wrong hacker dudes and are now suffering from a DDOS (cloudflare sux at protecting against those).

Make one private version for other site which profile (bet count, profit or loss) can be viewed by the public , once it reach 50 million bets, publish the user name for everyone to verify (or you might just live stream it along with current one). Seeing is believing, once people get it they will join you in Freebitco. This private version might never be published to others since other sites referral income is shitty and might not have good a way to control/ limit the usage of users.

To anyone who interested in, I can confirm that this really work, this dude actually found out something on math & probability studies. I actually made a copy cat bot myself for other site based on understanding his explaination of things (well, surprising that he did not hide but explain the concept inside out)...and it work exactly the same (of course, with less capital needed due to lower house edge), and if you want to see proof, well not yet I am just 40% of 50 million bets count mark (having that much bets is to shut any moron saying that it is just lucky).

You are quite interesting and correctly outlined the current situation, which really looks very good.  Nevertheless, I would like to see the real results of the fact that you or another person used this concept personally and got a decent result.

A decent result, yes. On other site, it work exactly the same with his live stream and is alive 24/7 for almost 3 months (started 3rd week of June, 19).
- Bets: 22,641,361
- Wagered: 9.36300474
- Profit: 0.77323021
- Initial capital: 1.0
- Current balance: 1.77323021
- Max draw down (to win a rare losing streak): 0.62
* Adjusted to meet total 1.0 capital (bet size not as big as his live stream...need 20 coins)

Good. It's very good  ;) It looks really very tempting.  I already feel the desire to experience the same experience as you personally.  I am still not very experienced in gambling and in most cases I am worried that these numbers will mislead me and I will call back my opportunities.

The rule is simple:
1. Losing streaks fall into 3 categories: common, rare, extremely rare.
- Scale your total balance (willing to lose) to beat more than rare streaks.

2. Resolve the "skewness" of the rolled result/number (sometime it tend to appear more on LO, or HI or more EVEN number than ODD and vice versa, this is normally the cause to lose all).
- Introduce some random events into the strategy with aim to normalize/resolve it (simple example: two set of random numbers, if you join them there are common numbers belong to both sets).

3. Be within 1% of people who believe there is method to beat above problem of random numbers (if you are in 99% then please don't mind and leave).
- Albert Einstein supposedly once said: “No one can win at roulette unless he steals money from the table while the croupier isn’t looking.”. Everyone tend to have no doubt on this statement, but at his time he did not have a computer to test, that's the problem for someone to prove it...not 100% correct.

4. Within 1% above, have ball to play (willing to risk few BTCs...recommended is  min 2BTC for Freebitco.in this is the most difficult thing).

His bot solve (1) and (2) for you, and for successfully play with it, you need (3) and (4).

Truth be told, I really wondered exactly what you wrote to me.  I copied all your words into a notebook to study in more detail and it is possible to understand what my mistake is, if I am almost always in the red.  Of course, the help of an experienced person would visually be much better, but I will try to figure it out based on how you advised.

The key that most people are not able to see is the Time element.  It's more than just a word,  it's actually a part of a mathematical equation and as we all know,  there are always 2 sides to an equation.  If you move the numbers around,  they can change only 1 element,  time,  yet still produce the SAME result.  This is proven when you bend light for example (gravity, curvature of the earth, etc).  The same is true for mathematical truths.  It doesnt matter if it takes 3 seconds or 3 trillion years,  at some point the statement will become true.  So if you manipulate the equation to have time be as long as possible,  you'll begin to understand why this works.  See,  there is absolutely NO getting around the fact that with a house edge,  the house always wins.  However that doesnt tell you the most IMPORTANT part.  WHEN will the house win.  If the house wins in 500 years,  do you really care?  I know I sure dont.  So that is what my bot does,  it flips time to the side of the equation that produces the most time.  It gives you the most time that your balance can support and in doing so,  you can be VERY successful and turn quite a decent profit because you know that the inevitable isnt going to happen in your lifetime.  I prove this with my live stream.  It's been up 24/7 365 for over 2.5yrs now.  I have gone from 0 to 31BTC in that time span.  However it was not all roses and candy during that time.  I DID have to endure weeks of being "in the hole" significant amounts of BTC but persistence and knowledge of how things work eventually paid off in the end and I broke ALL the losing streaks I've ever had.  My goal is to reach 100BTC before I retire and that goal is now well within reach.  At that point,  I probably wont need to do this anymore,  but who knows,  it's extremely fun and I may just continue simply for the fun factor alone.

Heres an example:
If you have a situation where you can roll 1000 times and the odds of you winning goes down incrementally,  you end up with this:

10 mins = 50% odds to lose
20 mins = 25% odds to lose
40 mins = 12.5% odds to lose
and so on.  So if you push the time out far enough, you can eventually reach a point where you're at 99.9999% or more likely to win.  You'll NEVER reach 100% because of the house edge,  but if it takes eons to lose,  who the fuck cares right?  :D

The one thing that can ruin your day though is GREED.  The greedier you get,  the more likely you are to bite off more than you can chew.  Keep it slow and steady and always insure that time will never be less than you're going to be on this earth and you can be successful.  What I have done is simply show you how to do it and about how much capitol it would take to do so.  The rest is up to you.

The site mod admit they "lose to some users", and with your live stream is running 24/7 he can easily spot which account is it, given the scenario he has access to database (beside the owner), just the matter if he is honest enough to admit that you win or just some excuses of those winners are whale players or extremely lucky dudes.

That's hardly an admission it is a statement of how gambling works. Some people get lucky and win and others don't. Gambling wouldn't exist if it didn't offer the possibility to win.


I do monitor accounts that win but I never have spotted the OP's account that runs the live stream.


The account they use to collect referral commissions from the script users has a wagering profit of -0.03670473.
The referrals have a profit of -14.30733113

That's not correct since the total bets placed is 200,000,000+, lucky alone will not get someone pass this number of bets. If so, when will be the unlucky event happen? will it be 1,000,000,000 or higher/lower?

It's easy to find out since the bot paused sometimes (which in his term is digout), base on the stat there it's easy to spot (top 20 at least for each month contest), but the harder part is once it is spotted and is deep in PROFIT which will cause you to choose between: admit or deny/ truth or lie.

It's the fact that the majority of the users are still deep into greedy (earning too much per a total amount going to be risked, like i said in previous post which require the user willing to risk decent amount to see a high chance of getting out in profit -- or non-losing state), so it's common to see the overall stat which includes profit/lost from winners/losers -- i see few kids/noobs really there to risk everything at the first try with the bot within minutes due to their lack of understand. And since it is exposed to the public (to let anyone keep an eye on the livestream) no one stupid enough to give his account to collect referral might be the account of his wife or daughter/son or even a poor friend, and the live streamed account might not have a referrer at all since it's profit is 1.5 btc/3 weeks (500 - 550 hours) or 2 btc per month might be enough for him lol. The main point here which I was referring to is the profit of himself playing not the referrals.

Majority of them currently are those have not enough balance to play and those users with that amount of BTC are afraid of since the bot is closed source and get bad reputation here in this forum, as you already see it 99% of the people against it (or him). Due to the "not enough balance issue", the users requested for an alternative to play with alts which majority of us have that amount of required capital (20BTC is not but 20ETH is yes) thus accumulating and come back with you later once the "capital" isssue is resolved. That's the reason he and the users including me keep looking for a good site to start with.

Undoubtedly, I understand what you are talking about, but it’s very difficult to immediately understand and comprehend.  The situation in which I am today reminds me of the time when I was studying the multiplication plate.  When I was just trying to study it, it was very difficult for me, but over time, in a place with knowledge that I just learned by heart, I came to understand how this all happens.  Now, with this understanding, I can solve multilevel equations mentally, without the help of a calculator.  Now it’s time for me to study the procedure for gambling, which I have yet to understand.

That's the whole concept before something can be concluded thus it's complicated, but once it is concluded you might be surprise that it's required only less than 100 lines of code for the logic (not counting those supporting things for the bot to work i.e: talk with server, catch errors, etc..) and if it work for freebitco.in with 5% edge, it will work on any site since 1% or 2% is max.

It is correct and you are missing the vital point that the "unlucky event" can happen the very first time you try it. What I have noticed is that in general the people that walk away with a large profit generally make very few bets.


It might be easy but I have no interest in doing it. I do regularly check accounts that are deep in profit to make sure they haven't found an exploit. So far the OP's account hasn't shown up.


Whatever. The only thing that matters to me is that in total the people using this bot lose 8% of what they wager compared to a house edge of 5%.

I am one of those people who are confident that a good result can only be reached through logical inference.  But in this case, there are two options for how to achieve the goal, and this is the study and understanding of the whole process or the method of personal trial and error, during which understanding comes.  In my opinion, personal practice gives more results, because in this case a person gains experience.  But will the practice give me experience if I play with minimal sums of a few dollars?

For this case it includes both: logical calculation & personal experience. His bot initially perform not very effective (hit a rare streak once every two or three weeks) but after sometimes play and together with input from other users it achieve a near perfect result (hit a rare streak once every two or three months). So it can be concluded: research to have logical calculation (betsize, odds, iteration of random events/sets), resolve the "spike" or "skewness" of distribution of numbers (rolled results), test as much as possible to have accurate statistic. Sum of few dollars I would say it is a no, the minimum balance at least should be 0.5BTC (total willing to lose) for around 70% win chance but for better chance to win in the long term you need 1 -> 2BTC (almost you will never lose 24/7 plays with minimal/safest settings).

Otherwise as the site mod said, majority of them lose, that's because of "not enough balance". In any case, play with test mode first to understand how it work, if you managed to have enough patent to run the test 24/7 for few months or even half a year you will understand much of it and have enough confident on playing for real (required balance/ total earning / chance of bursting at specified balance). The reason for test that long is to find out how long it is for the question "you will lose in the long run".