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I think bitcoin and other altcoin prices should be going up by now. but it doesn't happen. I guess Rothschilds are on it. Bankers, and, Wall Street, they're all on it. I feel like we're being forced to stop and wait for them to get on and take control of the next leg of the journey. Meanwhile, we are still patient.

Could be true but like all conspiracy theories there is no way to prove or disprove that train of thought. That is why they are fun to theorize about, but in actuality proving them is a whole other ordeal.

Look at the market rise now bitcoin from $7,100 --> $7,500 so I guess it's happening. And you shouldn't be disappointed if the rise isn't happening so quick.
Can't give names but for sure there's a manipulation behind it.
We are riding their boat so if their boat starts to move then we are already good to go and we have to wait for their signal.

jes they are hating cryptoeconomics and the industry. they are now arming up their "watchdogs" against the so called "securities"

this is a huge issue actually without securities and security shaped assets the blockchain industry becomes like bunch of idiots competing against each other for market attention with their disgusting propaganda coins.

i am writing an article about that issue its not finished yet but soon:

https://www.cryptoproductivity.com/single-post/2018/05/29/Securities-A-meaningful-emerging-Battlefield-against-the-Banking-Cartells-and-their-lobbism-and-the-real-deal-for-Cryptoeconomics

without security shaped digital assets the industry cant successfully decentralise the financial system away from the creepy banksters and their rothshield masters.

They cant do anything if they don't have any Bitcoin. First they need to buy Bitcoins and push price up to millions and only then they can start manipulate the market.

I price increase with 400 USD is not what I call "growth".The BTC price goes up and down by 500 USD every day.Anyway,first there were Wall Street and now Rohtschilds.I`m waiting for more conspiracy theories about the btc price manipulation,including aliens,the roman catholic church and Vladimir Putin. ;D
Can we stop those rumors?

you are trying to come up with a conspiracy theory but the fact is that there is no incentive for them to do this and also there are bigger whales in bitcoin that a new person or group wanting to come in would be considered a small fish unless they spend a couple of millions over a long period of time because they need to get in first and buy from the rest of us.

not to mention that price of bitcoin will eventually rise back up like it always does after a bear market period ends.
as for altcoins I disagree with what you said, they should NOT rise anytime soon. a lot of them need to get dumped a lot more before they can be considered "out of a bubble"

These conspiracy theories are very likely false. The whole "keeping the price low so they can accumulate" idea hasn't made much sense to me. People have been saying that for every price drop since $200. Why would Billionaires keep the price low so they can buy and make a few million? Hardly worth their time/effort.

why now? where were you when price was rising. i mean price went from around $900 to $20000 in 2017 in only 13 months and you weren't saying anything about Rotchilds and Wallstreets pumping the price up fakely but you are here now that price is going down saying "they" are pushing it down!
if you don't believe they pumped it then you shouldn't believe they are dumping it either.

It really is funny to watch the tinfoil hatters at work. Whenever the market goes down there has to be an evil force at work. In this case, let's use the antisemitic trope of the Rothschilds and everyone's goto baddies, Wall Street in general. Oh well, it does make a change from Tether being blamed for pumping it up, I'm starting to miss that.

LOL.
Come on man! Please don't come around with those Rothschild nonsense.
And just because YOU think the price should be going, doesn't mean the market is of the same opinion.
There may be some price manipulation going on at the moment, but always remember that this could happen or has already happened in the other direction as well. The market is still very tiny and big investors of course can play the market for a while.

I think this is not the reason why the price stop increasing I think this is not a time right now to see the bitcoin price to increase again maybe we should wait for more days or weeks and maybe the market movement will change.
The movement of the price right now is increased in the past few hours and I think the reason why the price was increasing a bit it's because of the article from Forbes, according to the article China has no plan to ban bitcoin and cryptocurrency except for ICO's.
Since bitcoin is unpredictable the possibility of the price increase us 50/50 so the only thing that we can do is to buy when the price is drop then sell if the price increase more than 10% to 25% to make profit.

"I feel" is not fact.

The Rothschilds have significantly less influence in the global market place than they did 200 years ago, they're reputation fuels their mystique.

And presuming the Rothschild family or whales on Wall Street could influence the market - how would they do it?

How could they influence the price being down or stagnant? They can't influence it through participating in the market, because if they buy any they'd drive the price up. So would they be conducting a global campaign to keep people disinterested in Bitcoin? Sounds like a lot of effort for something that already exists.

The general public still feels that cryptocurrency and Bitcoin is a fad. The reason the price is down is because the industry is still incubating ideas that will force the general public to turn their head our direction and get on board!

Don´t worry, just give the DOJ and the CTFC some more time.

This article was published a few days ago:
https://modernconsensus.com/cryptocurrencies/bitcoin/bitfinex-tether-investigation/




The Tether situation is probably not over yet if you ask me. I just think
that these investigations take time, especially when so many jurisdictions
and so many different entities (from Panamanian firms, to a Puerto Rican bank, to
a Hong Kong exchange and even US government agencies) are involved.

You missed the important quote:


You also missed that spoofing is a short-term tactic scalpers use, it has no effect on long-term price. It also has nothing to do with printing fake Tethers to inflate the price. To get the thread back on topic that is what I was comparing to the conspiracy theories of the OP in the opposite market direction. The market didn't pop because Tether blew up like they were all predicting. It just did what Bitcoin does and had a blow-off top based on very little happening at the time.


Where have you been hiding? I haven't seen you for ages.

On secound thought you are right. I somehow assumed that spoofing would also influence long-term price.


In order to stay on-topic:
What could be another catalyst for a new bull-run? Of course there are possibilities like the approval
of a Bitcoin ETF (seems unlikely for now) or the upcoming block reward halving (is still more than 2 years
away) or the Lightning Network. Nevertheless, it still looks like a classic blow-off top, which could
be the indication of yet another prolonged bear market.

I wouldn't wonder if they are already in the market controlling it at will whenever they like and wanted to, but this is yet another conspiracy theory IMO. Anyone can enter and leave the market freely without making any noise--unless they wanted attention or let others know that they are in--so there's a possibility that deep pockets in Wall Street and the Rotschilds are already invested and involved with the trading actions happening in the market. As for the previous rise, I would say that it's pure FOMO which lead us to $19500, and partly the Gox trustee's fault why it burst so fast since he just downed thousands of bitcoins in an exchange in one go. Manipulation has always been in private and public markets alike. Some of it are just too subtle to notice but others are obvious, just like the fancy spikes without any clear reason in bitcoin and other cryptos.

Yea let's just go full conspiracy theory on this shit, the Rotchilds are powerful but they are not fucking gods, some people really like to mystify shit. There is no discussion, we have market manipulation but not only here, everywhere but it's not as big as some people like to think.

I don't know, maybe its just a conspiracy theory. But I haven't to agree that we should take off by now. But then again, their are a lot of nations around the world who are conspiring and waging war against crypto that's why we are having a difficult time to make a break out run. We have been struggling, but we need one trigger, and we need to be patience because I'm sure one positive news will turn this around very quick.

I don't know if you saw this: The Wealthy Are Hoarding $10 Billion of Bitcoin in Bunkers (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-09/bunkers-for-the-wealthy-are-said-to-hoard-10-billion-of-bitcoin).

At the moment that sort of service is only available to a very select few. When mainstream investment firms have the capability to provide custodial services that satisfy the regulators then they'll be able to offer products to a much wider audience. ETFs are part of that picture but there is much more to it.

Other than that it is always news driven, so any story could come along and set a new narrative. That's what makes predicting markets in the medium to long term not much more accurate than guessing.


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I may as well want to assume that the likelihood of this is not possible as this would take a huge chunk of funds to be able to achieve something like this. However, there is nothing that we can say is impossible, since the funds is really there and talking about millions, I do not think it is that hard to see a combined effort to achieve this if we really want to face the likelihood of seeing the chances. They are big time manipulators, they could have bought a lot at around the previous low in this year, drive the market up, people FOMO, they distribute, and then they rinse and repeat.

However even if they can destroy bitcoin as a currency, there are more and unless they just buy all of them they won't be able to kill the whole crypto market ever as long as people think is a good idea to invest in them

Yes, I saw that article when it was initially published.
However, there are already a few other custodial solutions that are more accessible than Xapo.

E.g. even Coinbase offers custodial accounts:
https://custody.coinbase.com/

Of course it is still not really geared towards retail customers, but it seems to have lower
requirements than the Xapo custodial solution that was mentioned in the Bloomberg article.

I know there are custody solutions available but I meant when the big investment banks and investment management companies start doing it. They wouldn't outsource their custody department to an outside firm. When that happens then their customers like the big pension fund managers and investment trust managers will be able to invest. That's how the vast majority of shares or any asset class are owned and at the moment there is no way for them to get involved. ETFs and futures are more trading vehicles used mainly for hedging and speculation whereas long-term investors are going to want actual ownership. In my view, that's what it will take for it to become a mainstream investment.

the Tether situation has always been serious and it is not over. it was serious when price was rising and it is still the same amount of serious now that price is falling. but not because of the reasons that have been advertised all this time (talking about all the drama about USDT increasing the price not legit buys with fiat).

the argument is about people always exaggerating everything and turning it into a big drama.
- USDT might have contributed to bitcoin price rise, in a fake way and its demise can drop the price but it is nowhere near as dramatic and big as it has been discussed.
- the whales are manipulating the price both on the rise and on the fall but that is also not as big and dramatic as people like OP puts it.

To keep the prices low, they should have more and more BTC than the rest of the market. But as far as i know they have not invested big amount of money in crypto currency yet.

I think this is an excellent question that merits its own thread for discussion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4398150.0) (without the taint of conspiracy theories).

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4398150.0

How would we know, though? Isn't that the whole point of cryptocurrencies, anonymity? Who knows if they have bought or not, most bitcoins are held by 100 addresses only, sure some of them are from exchanges but who knows.

Well, for a market that is decentralized and with the possibility that they have the funds to manipulate the movement, I believe anything is possible. Obviously, if they are already seeing the great future in the market, they would see everything they can to at least try their best in getting in and holding good position at a very pretty good value.

Basically we cannot do anything about this but the thing here is to be patient and see how situations will change and possibly. I am always looking for ways to buy back in at the best value whenever possible because I can do only that among most other forces which are manipulating the flow and suppressing the rise.

Pretty funny how GS was blamed for every drop bitcoin took till they supported some bitcoin related projects.
Then all the narrative was: Wall Street is here, to the moon!!!!!
The former evil bankers become BTC best friends

There is a price drop, the evilz gubbermints are at work, Japan legalizes BTC, there is no evil gubbermint anymore :D



No, they want to keep the price low to accumulate and they FUD BTC, because they want to destroy it, since BTC will render their banks useless but they are secretly involved in projects BTC related and they FUD their own projects and the coin they've invested money in because.....

They have factories producing tinfoil!!!!!!!! That's why!!!! Huge factories!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
They would go bankrupt without conspiracies!!!!

I guess it’s possible, they can only control bitcoin to a certain extent though. They can’t control miners & they can’t control devs. They can’t control the natural price rises when coins become more scarce after each halving. They also can’t control FOMO stages.

Wall Street may 'play' with us yes. Can you blame them? Imo they know what Bitcoin is about and how strong it can be in the future.
Therefore they wouldn't be dumb not to try to accmulate as much as coins as they can. And they have a lot of money.
Furthermore they will know that in less than 2 years we will see the next halving, which will mean that daily supply gets cut in half again.
They have an eye on Bitcoin since 2014! And sooner or later they will have to unleash the BTC Dragon again. So relax, and buy!

Some people argue that the recent Bancor hack may have caused a global dip into the crypto ecosystem as a whole. For some reason, a lot of people have the tendency to sell their cryptos (even if they are unreleated to the hack) when they see these big headlines. Mostly newbies involved in these I guess, or speculators which think newbies will act that way, which create a chain reaction of selling.

It could also be that we simply failed to cross the $7k barrier and we may dip further before we start mooning.

Rothchilds/Wall St wise. If I had Rothchild's power, I would be sure to get in at the very bottom of Bitcoin, because I would have the tools to cause a bottom and an ideal entry point for myself. This is a sad reality to how high finance works, but I think I would do that. I like to think that I wouldn't be that much of a cunt to current holders by crashing the markets in order for me to get at the very bottom and shake out the noobs which will panic sell, but maybe there is no other way out. Anyway, these guys have the resources to get it done, if they can, it's reasonable to think they will. I just don't see them entering the market unless they are sure they can become massive players, and that requires a price as low as possible (but not so low that confidence would be destroyed).