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Economy => Speculation => Topic started by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 04:40:38 PM



Title: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 04:40:38 PM
I'll start - great intro! Whoever that dude is.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: houseo on January 28, 2014, 04:43:57 PM
awkward to have sound on at work. live blogging appreciated.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 04:45:13 PM
Open minded first five minutes then a cliche ridden summary of the dangers.  In the balance good.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 04:49:32 PM
Barry Silver marking territory and sucking up.

I am bottling homebrew so if anyone else wants to help blog this jump in : - )


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: podyx on January 28, 2014, 04:51:10 PM
link to stream please?


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: houseo on January 28, 2014, 04:51:53 PM
http://www.totalwebcasting.com/view/?id=nysdfs


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: podyx on January 28, 2014, 04:53:42 PM
ty guys


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: meanig on January 28, 2014, 04:56:39 PM
Seems like the theme of the hearing will be whether Bitcoin should be governed with existing laws or should they come up with a new set of "Bit Laws".


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: podyx on January 28, 2014, 04:58:04 PM
satoshis angels husband approves  8)


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: Dafar on January 28, 2014, 04:58:55 PM
The guy talking right now is good (wilson)


I like how Cameron and Tyler are always treated as 1 person, lol


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: meanig on January 28, 2014, 05:00:03 PM
Wilson was great


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: Rannasha on January 28, 2014, 05:02:00 PM
Winkelvoss just reading from a paper, not very inspiring.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 05:03:21 PM
Wilson excellent!  Winklevoss stumbling trying to blow own trumpet ree'peatedly.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: Rannasha on January 28, 2014, 05:04:22 PM
Q&A time, lets see how the panelists do without prepared statements :)


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 05:05:37 PM
Chairman has switched to using "bitcoin" instead of "virtual currency" the last three - four times.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: kwest on January 28, 2014, 05:15:55 PM
Is this being recorded? I'd like to show this to some other people later.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: jamesc760 on January 28, 2014, 05:19:27 PM
I am beginning to change my view on the Winklevoss twins. I am now starting to like them a little. Yes, I understand they have a vested interest; however, they are fighting for bitcoin. Whoever champions bitcoin is a friend.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: podyx on January 28, 2014, 05:21:32 PM
pretty bullish overall


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Post by: BitcoinAshley on January 28, 2014, 05:29:51 PM
I'm watching until I leave for work.

Very bullish.

2 DA MOON!


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: Dafar on January 28, 2014, 05:34:12 PM
I am beginning to change my view on the Winklevoss twins. I am now starting to like them a little. Yes, I understand they have a vested interest; however, they are fighting for bitcoin. Whoever champions bitcoin is a friend.


I've always liked them more than Zuckerburg


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: merkin51 on January 28, 2014, 05:36:27 PM
Fair play to that Wilson guy, he was / is fucking great.


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Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 05:37:40 PM
strikes me that the typical AML/KYC seems like a reasonable amount of regulation.

I think maybe they are just trying to ensure there isn't a whole bunch of other crap on top of that.

I hope.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 05:41:21 PM
Fair play to that Wilson guy, he was / is fucking great.

is that the wilson guy? the one busting all kinds of nuts about regulation at the moment?

I'd have to a agree!


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: BitcoinAshley on January 28, 2014, 05:43:05 PM
Fuck yeah Wilson! Attack mode.  8)

(He just ranted about the burdensome legacy banking infrastructure, all the forms to fill out, and how it could easily be put into code and automated.)


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: Rygon on January 28, 2014, 05:53:03 PM
Impressed by the Wilklevoss twins.


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Post by: segeln on January 28, 2014, 05:54:26 PM
Impressed by the Wilklevoss twins.
no, it bit boring and  not very inspirational


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: merkin51 on January 28, 2014, 05:55:39 PM
The twins have done fine, not as engaging and confident as Wilson, but they've not done btc any harm here.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 06:00:48 PM
Dr Evil Attack!

 *chuckles*


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: BitcoinAshley on January 28, 2014, 06:01:32 PM
Great, the female regulator just cited Rpietila original research. (Regarding the number of people who own half the bitcoins, which is pure speculation.)

*FACEPALM*

You'd think they'd have at least done a little more research, it is their job after all...


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 06:03:16 PM
ROFL Facebook reference from wilson, right in the face of winklevosses!!!

"if you were an early employee of Facebook you'd be loaded right now" priceless.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: Rygon on January 28, 2014, 06:04:46 PM
Why in the world are they asking about price volatility? Are the regulators also speculators?  ;)


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 06:05:38 PM
Glad we are finally out of the money laundering shit. Now sniffing around US exchange question.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: BitcoinAshley on January 28, 2014, 06:06:36 PM
Oh great, the asshole regulator on the right just started talking about "spending vs. hoarding." Yet another keynesian fuckwad.

HODL HODL HODL


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: Dafar on January 28, 2014, 06:09:41 PM
Hoarding is not a problem at all, when money appreciates it gives people incentive to spend as well because it feels like free money.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: BitcoinAshley on January 28, 2014, 06:10:13 PM
Oh, Winkle doing a good job explaining why HODLING is actually necessary to facilitate transactions... the market cap and liquidity we have now is simply not enough to be able to absorb the transaction volume we'd expect with more and more adoption. 


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: keithers on January 28, 2014, 06:11:00 PM
you can tell that each person speaking to the panel is very careful not to speculate on to what the max price they think bitcoin will reach...


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 06:14:25 PM
Now it's getting really interesting! Visions of how bitcoin will disrupt traditional NY finance


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 06:20:42 PM
dunno  which winlklevii is which but the one on the left is hitting some home runs.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: Rygon on January 28, 2014, 06:23:21 PM
I think Fred Wilson is getting a little bit too preachy about how the current system sucks and how banks will fight back.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 06:25:38 PM
yeah but to his credit he is the least-scripted guy in the room.

that chairman guy is on board though. he is having a hard time hiding it!


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 06:27:12 PM
ooooo  winkleviii naming western union as target!


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 06:31:23 PM
is that guy suggesting they go build a bank!

there is a thought...


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 06:32:38 PM
"banks are close to coming on  board.."

i wonder if he is alluding to wells fargo?


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 06:33:54 PM
MOAR FREEDOMS!!!


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: jamesc760 on January 28, 2014, 06:34:16 PM
Yep, Wells Fargo. In 2-3 months, they will come out as a bitcoin friendly bank and will faciliate merchants to seamlessly work with bitcoins. From what I hear and read between the lines...


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 06:36:50 PM
Yep, Wells Fargo. In 2-3 months, they will come out as a bitcoin friendly bank and will faciliate merchants to seamlessly work with bitcoins. From what I hear and read between the lines...

I'm afraid I can only confirm this if you can rewrite it in a foreign language, and be a good and news source.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: jamesc760 on January 28, 2014, 06:37:03 PM
what is the next panel at 2:30?


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: BitcoinAshley on January 28, 2014, 06:37:36 PM
Well, I'd summarize the first session as follows:

CCMF


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: Bitcoin BEAR on January 28, 2014, 06:40:01 PM
This is neither bullish nor bearish. It is completely neutral. The senate hearings was a bit bullish because they seemingly embraced Bitcoin. This is more of an interview to determine what to do to regulate it.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: windjc on January 28, 2014, 06:41:41 PM
This is neither bullish nor bearish. It is completely neutral. The senate hearings was a bit bullish because they seemingly embraced Bitcoin. This is more of an interview to determine what to do to regulate it.

Lol. Regulation=bullish. This is bullish.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: Dalmar on January 28, 2014, 06:42:40 PM
Bitcoin is very MURICAN... what an argument  ;D


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Post by: kkaspar on January 28, 2014, 06:44:48 PM
I think that the most entertaining part was the "Competition is no threat to BTC because the fake internets didn't survive".
He went c(h)oo-c(h)oo religious zealot style with that one...


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: keithers on January 28, 2014, 06:45:30 PM
seems like mostly positive news coming out of that hearing so far, hopefully the next one is the same.   I'm sure all the major banks are tinkering back and forth on whether or not to hop into the bitcoin space.   Wells Fargo, could very well be the first to come on board, however in the past they have been the most conservative with their major moves.   Wells was one of the only majors that didn't  need the bank bailout a few years back.

I have heard from a few reliable sources that one of the major banks is very close to publicly backing bitcoin, and that this may happen in the upcoming months.  


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: merkin51 on January 28, 2014, 06:46:20 PM
Bitcoin is very MURICAN... what an argument  ;D

As gut wrenchingly sickening as that was, it's the kind of jingoistic shit that will win over many people over there.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: BitchicksHusband on January 28, 2014, 06:47:18 PM
Great, the female regulator just cited Rpietila original research. (Regarding the number of people who own half the bitcoins, which is pure speculation.)

*FACEPALM*

You'd think they'd have at least done a little more research, it is their job after all...

Shouldn't financial regulators be required to be familiar with the Pareto Principle before regulating anything?  I mean, this has been well-known for over a hundred years already.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

TL;DR:  EVERY financial system will necessarily share this property.  Always.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 06:48:50 PM
The context is bullish. A clearly positive hearing in front of a panel that clearly wants to maintain NY / wall street competitiveness. And the presuppositions shared by ALL in the room are important to notice: that BTC is here to stay, and the only real question is how to safely get NYC on this train which is clearly leaving the station.

It also did not hurt that some well respected panelists gave very clear, articulate visions of what may lay ahead in the bitcoin ecosystem.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 06:50:06 PM
Bitcoin is very MURICAN... what an argument  ;D

As gut wrenchingly sickening as that was, it's the kind of jingoistic shit that will win over many people over there.

Guranteed everyone in on that Wells Fargo meeting tonight was watching this hearing.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: RyNinDaCleM on January 28, 2014, 06:50:32 PM
This is neither bullish nor bearish. It is completely neutral. The senate hearings was a bit bullish because they seemingly embraced Bitcoin. This is more of an interview to determine what to do to regulate it.

Lol. Regulation=bullish. This is bullish.

lol Keep dreaming!
Why would regulation be bullish by default? Because they allow Bitcoin to exist and work with it? lol. They know they can't stop it, so their main reason for regulation is revenue. They just want their cut of others' profits. The AML practices have already been in place for nearly a year.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: Dalmar on January 28, 2014, 06:52:48 PM
Bitcoin is very MURICAN... what an argument  ;D

As gut wrenchingly sickening as that was, it's the kind of jingoistic shit that will win over many people over there.


China will be very angry for getting dissed on that panel. ''Invest in anything China bans'' followed by ''Bitcoin is very Murican''..

Some Chinese officials must be pissed and preparing retaliation.  :D


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: MatTheCat on January 28, 2014, 06:53:43 PM
MOAR FREEDOMS!!!


FOOLS! THE WILL OF KARHU CANNOT BE OVERCOME!

https://i.imgur.com/EzB985M.gif

WITH THESE NY HEARINGS YE ONLY MOCK KAHRU!
GIVE ALMS NOW OR KARHU SHALLT BESTOW THEE NO MERCY!


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: windjc on January 28, 2014, 06:54:56 PM
This is neither bullish nor bearish. It is completely neutral. The senate hearings was a bit bullish because they seemingly embraced Bitcoin. This is more of an interview to determine what to do to regulate it.

Lol. Regulation=bullish. This is bullish.

lol Keep dreaming!
Why would regulation be bullish by default? Because they allow Bitcoin to exist and work with it? lol. They know they can't stop it, so their main reason for regulation is revenue. They just want their cut of others' profits. The AML practices have already been in place for nearly a year.

Yeah I'm not an idealistic fanatic like yourself. I believe we need exchanges backed by banks. I believe we need funds backed by the SEC. I believe in a strong growing bitcoin Eco system. I believe these are the things we need as soon as possible. Bitcoin needs to operate with a certain amount of regulatory guidelines.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: segeln on January 28, 2014, 06:56:17 PM
as a german I was very content with that Hearing. I think the BTC issue is doing fine.
The Regulators have been  at least  neutral,not to say positive about BTC. My Impression-

Quote
Bitcoin is Freedom. Bitcoin is very American."
very good


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: Bitcoin BEAR on January 28, 2014, 06:57:43 PM
This is neither bullish nor bearish. It is completely neutral. The senate hearings was a bit bullish because they seemingly embraced Bitcoin. This is more of an interview to determine what to do to regulate it.

Lol. Regulation=bullish. This is bullish.

lol Keep dreaming!
Why would regulation be bullish by default? Because they allow Bitcoin to exist and work with it? lol. They know they can't stop it, so their main reason for regulation is revenue. They just want their cut of others' profits. The AML practices have already been in place for nearly a year.

What he said^  ;)


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: coinpharmer on January 28, 2014, 06:58:53 PM
speaking as one who couldnt watch, thanks for all the posts about it, keep it comming ! =)


.... MERICA!


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: RyNinDaCleM on January 28, 2014, 07:03:39 PM
This is neither bullish nor bearish. It is completely neutral. The senate hearings was a bit bullish because they seemingly embraced Bitcoin. This is more of an interview to determine what to do to regulate it.

Lol. Regulation=bullish. This is bullish.

lol Keep dreaming!
Why would regulation be bullish by default? Because they allow Bitcoin to exist and work with it? lol. They know they can't stop it, so their main reason for regulation is revenue. They just want their cut of others' profits. The AML practices have already been in place for nearly a year.

Yeah I'm not an idealistic fanatic like yourself. I believe we need exchanges backed by banks. I believe we need funds backed by the SEC. I believe in a strong growing bitcoin Eco system. I believe these are the things we need as soon as possible. Bitcoin needs to operate with a certain amount of regulatory guidelines.

No, I agree SEC is good for the exchanges. But it's good for those who use the exchange, not necessarily for Bitcoin itself (not that it's bad for it either, but it doesn't matter). Those who use the exchange can have a path of recourse once it's all set in motion, but I don't think that equates to guaranteed bullish


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: Ibian on January 28, 2014, 07:04:40 PM
This is neither bullish nor bearish. It is completely neutral. The senate hearings was a bit bullish because they seemingly embraced Bitcoin. This is more of an interview to determine what to do to regulate it.

Lol. Regulation=bullish. This is bullish.

lol Keep dreaming!
Why would regulation be bullish by default? Because they allow Bitcoin to exist and work with it? lol. They know they can't stop it, so their main reason for regulation is revenue. They just want their cut of others' profits. The AML practices have already been in place for nearly a year.
Most people - that's the 99% - won't get on board without official approval. That's why we need regulations. The actual form of the regulations won't matter much at all to us.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: windjc on January 28, 2014, 07:08:02 PM
This is neither bullish nor bearish. It is completely neutral. The senate hearings was a bit bullish because they seemingly embraced Bitcoin. This is more of an interview to determine what to do to regulate it.

Lol. Regulation=bullish. This is bullish.

lol Keep dreaming!
Why would regulation be bullish by default? Because they allow Bitcoin to exist and work with it? lol. They know they can't stop it, so their main reason for regulation is revenue. They just want their cut of others' profits. The AML practices have already been in place for nearly a year.

Yeah I'm not an idealistic fanatic like yourself. I believe we need exchanges backed by banks. I believe we need funds backed by the SEC. I believe in a strong growing bitcoin Eco system. I believe these are the things we need as soon as possible. Bitcoin needs to operate with a certain amount of regulatory guidelines.

No, I agree SEC is good for the exchanges. But it's good for those who use the exchange, not necessarily for Bitcoin itself. Those who use the exchange can have a path of recourse once it's all set in motion, but I don't think that equates to guaranteed bullish

I do. US exchanges that are completely trustworthy and banked backed ventures that are designed to make bitcoin easier to acquire, sime to handle and readily available is extremely bullish. Techies and bitcoin evangelicals have very limited perception of the way most humans live their lives. Simplicity, security, ease of handling, feeling mainstream, these are the qualities bitcoin needs to be widely adopted. Bitcoin needs to be attractive to people who don't think like you do.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: Biodom on January 28, 2014, 07:13:56 PM
I liked Mr Wilson the most with take no-nonsense attitude and a clear drive for innovation that you would expect from a VC; Winklevoss brothers scored a bunch of home runs as well. I was thinking that the audience might spontaneously rise and burst into hymn recital. Messrs. Silbert and Liu were a bit too cautious and "programmed". I think if too much regulation will happen, Mr. Liu will take his funds to Hong Kong or Canada vs Wilson and Winklevosses who are clearly fighting for US to be the hub of it all. All and all-it was quite entertaining.
With just 0.5% in illicit trade, why 50% of time was devoted to it?


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: BitcoinAshley on January 28, 2014, 07:21:05 PM
The only thing that would have made it better, is if the jingoistic shit at the end had been expressed thusly:
"Such american. Very freedom."
i.e. a DOGEcoin plug.


Oh well, I guess I'm still satisfied with the way it went.

I like how they didn't mention ANY alts by name at all, yet they stopped saying "digital currency" and were exclusively talking about Bitcoin the entire time. (Which is fine, I'm not complaining.)


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: Biodom on January 28, 2014, 07:22:49 PM
This is neither bullish nor bearish. It is completely neutral. The senate hearings was a bit bullish because they seemingly embraced Bitcoin. This is more of an interview to determine what to do to regulate it.

Lol. Regulation=bullish. This is bullish.

lol Keep dreaming!
Why would regulation be bullish by default? Because they allow Bitcoin to exist and work with it? lol. They know they can't stop it, so their main reason for regulation is revenue. They just want their cut of others' profits. The AML practices have already been in place for nearly a year.
Most people - that's the 99% - won't get on board without official approval. That's why we need regulations. The actual form of the regulations won't matter much at all to us.

Bonkers. First of all, i could care less if 99% people use it tomorrow or not. I could accumulate bitcoin slower. Second, I am fine with it taking 10-12 years: 0.035% right now (2mil out of 7bil), 0.12% in 2015, 0.3% in 2016 (slow down to double a year from 400-500%), 0.6% in 2017, 1.2% in 2018 (still just 100mil people), 2.4% in 2019, 4.8% in 2020, 9.6% in 2021, 19.2% in 2022, 38.4% in 2023, 76.8% in 2024, everyone in 2025.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: jamesc760 on January 28, 2014, 07:41:38 PM
Charles Lee, the inventor of litecoin, is speaking right now.

BTW, he is NOT of Chinese descent and has no relationship to Bobby Lee, the CEO of Chinese exchange.



Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: jamesc760 on January 28, 2014, 07:43:13 PM
He's actually reading from a prepared statement.


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Post by: jamesc760 on January 28, 2014, 07:46:31 PM
Van Cleef, a lawyer, is reading from a prepared statement and is about a new bitcoin money service company called co-optus(?).


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: virtualfaqs on January 28, 2014, 07:46:44 PM
Charles Lee, the inventor of litecoin, is speaking right now.

BTW, he is NOT of Chinese descent and has no relationship to Bobby Lee, the CEO of Chinese exchange.



I did not know that. And I could have sworn some media have said they were brothers.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: Dalmar on January 28, 2014, 07:47:45 PM
Charles Lee, the inventor of litecoin, is speaking right now.

BTW, he is NOT of Chinese descent and has no relationship to Bobby Lee, the CEO of Chinese exchange.



What? Isn't that his brother? And he sure as hell looks Chinese.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: Biodom on January 28, 2014, 07:47:59 PM
Who cares about cooptus nonsense? Is this a longest informercial on gov airways or what?


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Post by: nak on January 28, 2014, 07:48:27 PM
Who's this nutjob talking about a "centralised" cryptocurrency? Doesn't that default the ethos of bitcoin?


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Post by: merkin51 on January 28, 2014, 07:49:12 PM
What the fuck is this shit? Jesus H Christ in a chicken basket... bring back Freddie!


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Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 07:52:42 PM
what a snoozefest. wtf are these people`? is this some affirmative action effort for obscure cryptocurrency variations?

poor charles lee. he must feel like he got bumped down into economy.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 07:56:03 PM
I think the guy eating his lunch at the back is very bullish news.


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Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 07:57:54 PM
I think the guy eating his lunch at the back is very bullish news.

My mistake, he is know drinking his coffee which is highly indicative of a breakout to the downside.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: humanitee on January 28, 2014, 07:58:50 PM
I think the guy eating his lunch at the back is very bullish news.

My mistake, he is know drinking his coffee which is highly indicative of a breakout to the downside.

It's gonna be a healthy movement though, so that's good.


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: jerk on January 28, 2014, 07:59:08 PM
I think the guy eating his lunch at the back is very bullish news.

My mistake, he is know drinking his coffee which is highly indicative of a breakout to the downside.

Well played!!!  :D


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 08:00:04 PM
I think the guy eating his lunch at the back is very bullish news.

My mistake, he is know drinking his coffee which is highly indicative of a breakout to the downside.

Well played!!!  :D

all in!!


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 08:01:57 PM
has somebody bet her she can't get through the session without saying 'laundering'


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 08:02:25 PM
poor charles lee, silently suffering between the two establishment blondes ...

and unlike the previous panel, these two chicks are all to willing to head down the criminal rabbit hole of discussion about criminal activity  ....


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Post by: KFR on January 28, 2014, 08:03:36 PM
Am I missing something?  What's the "systemic threat" posed by mining?


Title: Re: NY Hearings - lets live blog this puppy : - )
Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 08:03:43 PM
"mining is a systemic threat"  " maybe there is a back door somewhere"  ...


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Post by: humanitee on January 28, 2014, 08:04:26 PM
Am I missing something?  What's the "systemic threat" posed by mining?

Polluted groundwater


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Post by: podyx on January 28, 2014, 08:04:40 PM
poor charles lee, silently suffering between the two establishment blondes ...

and unlike the previous panel, these two chicks are all to willing to head down the criminal rabbit hole of discussion about criminal activity  ....

lee is just here to pump litecoin 8)


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Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 08:04:55 PM
not one to put a dampener on things, but regulating only at the exchanges seems kind of futile should it become possible to use BTC in its intended final form (i.e. no longer needs to be converted back to fiat to be of use) its not like that hasn't already kind of started. *shrugs*

not that i'm suggesting they do otherwise. or could even do if they wanted...


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Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 08:05:47 PM
"if the blockchain is attacked, another currency will arise"

what like litecoin !? hehe


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Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 08:07:42 PM
wow, chick on the right is subtly egging on bitcoin doubts. subject to attack, regulators should be concerned ...


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Post by: Rygon on January 28, 2014, 08:08:29 PM
Wow, I'm surprised at the panel's concern about a 51% attack.


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Post by: KFR on January 28, 2014, 08:09:50 PM
Charles Lee seems like an odd choice for this particular panel but I'm damn glad he's there - go Chuck. 8)


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Post by: Biodom on January 28, 2014, 08:10:14 PM
"this is hard stuff" LOL Facepalm


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Post by: RyNinDaCleM on January 28, 2014, 08:11:18 PM
I like how coblee said the USG should mine to prevent a 51% attack


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Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 08:13:40 PM
oh my.

first her testimony appears to be centred around

"I think as a consumer stuff like this is great"

careful not to gather any hard evidence.

second, only the USD has any value, and is zero risk. so thats the only thing you can use to prove you are rich enough to deserve to run a business.

yikes.

please. stop talking now.


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Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 08:15:31 PM
way to not know how the block chain works.


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Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 08:16:48 PM
she is getting out there ... a lock box for your cryptocurrency  ...


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Post by: Biodom on January 28, 2014, 08:17:08 PM
I like how coblee said the USG should mine to prevent a 51% attack

Who said they already don't do that. Notice the steeply rising "unknown" pool %. Unknown=US, china, etc.?


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Post by: Alias on January 28, 2014, 08:17:48 PM
She actually thinks the only way people trade/transact Bitcoins is by trading private keys? Oh wow.  :o


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Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 08:19:16 PM
so much of this is about setting up a nanny state to protect us from what we are already doing ...


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Post by: Alias on January 28, 2014, 08:20:14 PM
Someone should walk in and blow all of their minds by talking about trading Colored Coins (particularly one's that represent fiat currencies) on a decentralized exchange!  ;D They think they have it all figured out and they're still years behind on the technology!


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Post by: KFR on January 28, 2014, 08:20:22 PM
Actually she raises a good point that a lot of muggles don't get about the distinction between the private key and the coins stored at its corresponding address.  Me sending you coins via the network is technically (and probably legally) distinct from me giving you a private key.  This distinction is something regulators need to grok fully before they can do their job.  


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Post by: Torque on January 28, 2014, 08:21:06 PM
Who cares about cooptus nonsense? Is this a longest informercial on gov airways or what?

For anyone interested, it's Coeptis that the lawyer was talking about.  I had to Google it to find some info on it.
http://www.coeptis.com
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f7488616-561a-11e3-96f5-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2riztTRxv

It's interesting, as I remember the whole e-Gold fiasco and how the US Government eventually shut it down.  Not sure if Douglas Jackson still has enough clout to resurrect something like this.  Why would we trust something like this again?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-gold


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Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 08:23:23 PM
"in the midst of the sale, the cryptotransmission goes down"


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Post by: humanitee on January 28, 2014, 08:23:57 PM
"in the midst of the sale, the cryptotransmission goes down"

cryptocompany*

made me laugh


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Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 08:25:36 PM
In the midst of the sale, the world explodes. WHERE IS MY DOLLARS HUH?


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Post by: Alias on January 28, 2014, 08:28:54 PM
Actually she raises a good point that a lot of muggles don't get about the distinction between the private key and the coins stored at its corresponding address.  Me sending you coins via the network is technically (and probably legally) distinct from me giving you a private key.  This distinction is something regulators need to grok fully before they can do their job.  

It is an interesting situation. If there is an identity attached to the private key, it is like giving someone the password to your online banking account. If there is no identity attached to the private key then it is similar to an off-chain transaction. Ultimately there is some interesting money laundering potential with trading private keys.


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Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 08:29:32 PM
By jove I think she has got it!

A shame the awkward silence in the room made it seem like nobody else did ;)


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Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 08:30:12 PM
bitstamp has gone down by ten since these chicks started talking ....


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Post by: humanitee on January 28, 2014, 08:36:37 PM
Shit, done carbon'd to hard ya'll


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Post by: RyNinDaCleM on January 28, 2014, 08:41:31 PM
Someone should walk in and blow all of their minds by talking about trading Colored Coins (particularly one's that represent fiat currencies) on a decentralized exchange!  ;D They think they have it all figured out and they're still years behind on the technology!

Coloredcoins reference complete


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Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 08:41:45 PM
Someone should walk in and blow all of their minds by talking about trading Colored Coins (particularly one's that represent fiat currencies) on a decentralized exchange!  ;D They think they have it all figured out and they're still years behind on the technology!

... as if by magic ...


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Post by: jerk on January 28, 2014, 08:42:33 PM
Bring back panel 1!


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Post by: Alias on January 28, 2014, 08:43:12 PM
Someone should walk in and blow all of their minds by talking about trading Colored Coins (particularly one's that represent fiat currencies) on a decentralized exchange!  ;D They think they have it all figured out and they're still years behind on the technology!

Coloredcoins reference complete

They were pretty mind blown but they've totally glossed over it now! Damn it. Charlie, tell them about decentralized exchanges!!!!

Edit: Oh man, why oh why didn't he tell them that cryptocurrencies could represent fiat currencies! They'd have exploded!


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Post by: jamesc760 on January 28, 2014, 08:49:16 PM
An Asian nerd sandwiched between two blonde female lawyers. There's a joke somewhere...


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Post by: Torque on January 28, 2014, 08:53:11 PM
I think we need to simplify it for the regulators, not make it more complicated (with discussion around colored coins).  Or else these regulations will take forever to draft/approve/publish and be overly complicated to follow and comply with.

Also I'm not sure that Panel 2 has the right mix of folks to be commenting on how bitcoins should be classified (commodity, currency, etc.), nor taxed/treated at the State level.


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Post by: Alias on January 28, 2014, 08:53:33 PM
An Asian nerd sandwiched between two blonde female lawyers. There's a joke somewhere...

That was probably the motivation to create Litecoin in the first place!


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Post by: Alias on January 28, 2014, 08:56:01 PM
I think we need to simplify it for the regulators, not make it more complicated (with discussion around colored coins).  Or else these regulations will take forever to draft/approve/publish and be overly complicated to follow and comply with.

Also I'm not sure that Panel 2 has the right mix of folks to be commenting on how bitcoins should be classified (commodity, currency, etc.), nor taxed/treated at the State level.

The problem for the regulators is that you can't dumb Bitcoin down. It is a complex system. You would be doing them a disservice by making it out to be simpler than it is. There are no sufficient analogies for cryptocurrencies - the sooner they wake up to that fact the better.


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Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 08:57:01 PM
I think most of the "unbanked" can get off there ass and visit a (soon at a corner shop near you) bitcoin ATM no?


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Post by: Alias on January 28, 2014, 08:57:50 PM
Facepalm - she used "lightyears" as a unit of time.   ::)


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Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 08:58:21 PM
Bingo. That girl on the left keeps nailing it.


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Post by: threecats on January 28, 2014, 08:58:45 PM
bummer they missed the chance to talk about 3rd world development with  "underbanked"  ....


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Post by: Biodom on January 28, 2014, 08:59:34 PM
The "QR kid" reference-cool.


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Post by: Alias on January 28, 2014, 09:01:54 PM
The "QR kid" reference-cool.

Charlie's really getting into this. You tell 'em Charlie!


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Post by: Dalmar on January 28, 2014, 09:06:00 PM
Charles Lee is a software developer who used to work at Google. Now, he works at Coinbase. He invented Litecoin. He is of Korean descent, not Chinese. Bobby Lee has a brother named Charlie Lee. Charles Lee, of Coinbase and Litecoin, is NOT Charlie Lee, brother to Bobby Lee of China exchange.

They probably look the same to ignorant white people; however, us more civilized folks can tell the difference.

Isn't the guy at the hearing the same guy as in this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le5ByHtssnc&t=20m18s

He admits being the brother of Bobby Lee. WTF?


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Post by: Ibian on January 28, 2014, 09:09:19 PM
One of the more fascinating aspects of this panel is the fact that they are trying to understand things that most of us consider the basics. We really are early adopters, every one of us.


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Post by: Torque on January 28, 2014, 09:10:54 PM
I think we need to simplify it for the regulators, not make it more complicated (with discussion around colored coins).  Or else these regulations will take forever to draft/approve/publish and be overly complicated to follow and comply with.

Also I'm not sure that Panel 2 has the right mix of folks to be commenting on how bitcoins should be classified (commodity, currency, etc.), nor taxed/treated at the State level.

The problem for the regulators is that you can't dumb Bitcoin down. It is a complex system. You would be doing them a disservice by making it out to be simpler than it is. There are no sufficient analogies for cryptocurrencies - the sooner they wake up to that fact the better.

I don't disagree with you that bitcoin has complexity to it under the hood.  But on the surface, it has a sort of simplicity once you understand the 5-6 core attributes.  From a regulation standpoint, however, the first panel was very concerned about the speed at which regulators can publish useful guidelines and proper compliance regulations, and how easy (or difficult) and cost effective it will be to adhere to those regulations.  Too much cumbersome or expensive US regulation, and you stifle (or complete stop) the ability for small bitcoin developers and businesses to be able to adopt and move forward.


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Post by: virtualfaqs on January 28, 2014, 09:11:45 PM
Charles Lee is a software developer who used to work at Google. Now, he works at Coinbase. He invented Litecoin. He is of Korean descent, not Chinese. Bobby Lee has a brother named Charlie Lee. Charles Lee, of Coinbase and Litecoin, is NOT Charlie Lee, brother to Bobby Lee of China exchange.

They probably look the same to ignorant white people; however, us more civilized folks can tell the difference.

Google yields about the same results for Charlie or Charles Lee inventing Litecoin. The problem is because the Charlie is a nickname for Charles. I'm still confused. Probably need pics and bullet point of the difference.  :D


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Post by: Dalmar on January 28, 2014, 09:13:09 PM
He must be trolling us. That guy at the hearing is the brother of the BTCChina CEO, not Korean.


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Post by: P_Shep on January 28, 2014, 09:14:13 PM
Charles Lee is a software developer who used to work at Google. Now, he works at Coinbase. He invented Litecoin. He is of Korean descent, not Chinese. Bobby Lee has a brother named Charlie Lee. Charles Lee, of Coinbase and Litecoin, is NOT Charlie Lee, brother to Bobby Lee of China exchange.

They probably look the same to ignorant white people; however, us more civilized folks can tell the difference.

Isn't the guy at the hearing the same guy as in this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le5ByHtssnc&t=20m18s

He admits being the brother of Bobby Lee. WTF?

I think he was being facetious.


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Post by: fonzie on January 28, 2014, 09:14:36 PM
He must be trolling us. That guy at the hearing is the brother of the BTCChina CEO, not Korean.

Confirmed!


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Post by: virtualfaqs on January 28, 2014, 09:17:39 PM
Got me good!  ;D Thank goodness I figured this out before selling my BTC!  :P


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Post by: the_sunship on January 28, 2014, 09:20:12 PM
One of the more fascinating aspects of this panel is the fact that they are trying to understand things that most of us consider the basics. We really are early adopters, every one of us.

had a conversation a few weeks ago at a party with someone who kept calling it "bidcoin".

At least they got the name correct.....


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Post by: Toxonaut on January 28, 2014, 09:21:37 PM
i was actually expecting the guy to suddenly go like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1ggGGGqu_k


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Post by: Torque on January 28, 2014, 09:23:30 PM
Good lord, the media spin already... sheesh that was fast   ;)

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/01/28/in-praise-of-bitcoin-with-little-regard-for-banks/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1&


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Post by: P_Shep on January 28, 2014, 09:29:38 PM
Good lord, the media spin already... sheesh that was fast

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/01/28/in-praise-of-bitcoin-with-little-regard-for-banks/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1&

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE POOR BANKS?!


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Post by: alexeft on January 28, 2014, 09:36:12 PM
Good lord, the media spin already... sheesh that was fast

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/01/28/in-praise-of-bitcoin-with-little-regard-for-banks/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1&

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE POOR BANKS?!


NO.


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Post by: P_Shep on January 28, 2014, 09:42:36 PM
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/423/untitle.JPG


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Post by: samurai1200 on January 28, 2014, 09:59:11 PM
Excellent. Thanks for the live blog everyone. Someone must have recorded this?!


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Post by: TERA on January 28, 2014, 10:37:14 PM
Do you guys really live in a fantasy world where the exchange price was following everything said at the conference in real time?


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Post by: sgbett on January 28, 2014, 10:47:34 PM
Excellent. Thanks for the live blog everyone. Someone must have recorded this?!

go to the link http://www.totalwebcasting.com/view/?id=nysdfs its "archived"


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Post by: R2Pleasent on January 29, 2014, 12:34:14 AM
One interesting thing I noticed this time, as opposed to the last hearing, is that the Bitcoin backers seemed to be much more on the defensive.  In the previous hearing, law enforcement officials came on and were the ones tackling the regulation questions.  They gave a positive outlook on the situation, and the Bitcoiners really didn't face as much questioning in terms of regulation.  Now, this isn't the fairest direct comparison; there were no law enforcement officials being questioned in the NY Hearings.

However, now the Bitcoiners were having to answer really tough questions.  Questions they don't have an answer to, whether they admit it or not.  They are being asked how Bitcoin can be regulated to prevent money laundering and illicit activity.  They bring up past successful investigations by law enforcement, such as the Silk Road shutdown, but offer very little insight into how they themselves can combat these issues.  They're alluding to the notion that law enforcement just needs to continue investigating the bad guys, and they'll do their best to enforce KYC.

Unfortunately, I don't think these answers were satisfactory to the panel.  Granted, they're nearly impossible to satisfy here, but to give the answer "you guys just need to keep working hard at finding the criminals" made me cringe a bit.  The government understands that it can expend a bunch of resources going after these guys, and if they invest enough into it, they should be able to find them.  But they're saying they want Bitcoin and Bitcoin-based businesses to make sites like Silk-Road more difficult / impossible to run.

I would have said that there have been many advancements since Silk Road 1.0 was created.  Exchanges were not even requiring customers to verify their identities up until Q2 2013.  That's under 1 year ago.  Buying Bitcoin has become less anonymous everyday, and you will not find a notable exchange which provides service to US citizens without completing KYC verification.  Furthermore, the successful Silk Road raid has scared a vast majority of potential clients and sellers away from this type of marketplace.  We've also seen many new illegal marketplaces shut down due to operators fleeing with users' funds.  The confidence in the Dark Markets is very low right now.

If you look how far Bitcoin has come in just 2 years, where people could easily and without fear of repercussions trade contraband with BTC, to today, where only the most technology-savvy users can be confident at all in anonymity, and with the Dark Markets, it is night and day.  It's unfair to expect things to change overnight, but there have been obvious and major progressions over a fairly short time span.

Furthermore, if the government refuses to accept crypto-currency and figure out a way to keep the average user happy, it will simply slip into the underworld.  There is no way for the government to shut these things down.  The criminals will find a way to continue on crypto with or without government approval of Bitcoin.  These are decentralized instruments, and by over-regulating them, you will just kill the currency and the criminals will operate with other derivatives of crypto.  By working with Bitcoin and Bitcoin businesses, you keep the volume in your playing field, where you can at least call some of the shots.

All in all I don't think this was the best showing for Bitcoin in general.  The cool new feeling of Bitcoin is wearing off and the government is starting to really focus in on the negative aspects (in their POV).  Realistically, I don't think we have an answer for these problems at the end of the day.  The government wants absolute control, they always want absolute control, and I think they're starting to realize that crypto is a step in the wrong direction in achieving this goal.  No one should be surprised.  The more popular Bitcoin gets, the more it's going to get hated by governments.  Bitcoin, at its roots, is designed specifically to exclude the need for authority.

Final side note, hilarious to see those Winklevoss leeches on the panel.  You can just see how scummy they truly are.  In nearly all questions they answer, all it looks like to me is them saying "please let my Bitcoins be worth more, please!"  These twinkle twins look like they'd toss each other under the bus if it meant making a quick buck.  Some of these guys, I believe truly exist in the currency for the right reasons, but the twinkle twins only believe in a panned out pump and dump.  Who would expect anything else from them. 




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Post by: windjc on January 29, 2014, 12:42:35 AM
One interesting thing I noticed this time, as opposed to the last hearing, is that the Bitcoin backers seemed to be much more on the defensive.  In the previous hearing, law enforcement officials came on and were the ones tackling the regulation questions.  They gave a positive outlook on the situation, and the Bitcoiners really didn't face as much questioning in terms of regulation.  Now, this isn't the fairest direct comparison; there were no law enforcement officials being questioned in the NY Hearings.

However, now the Bitcoiners were having to answer really tough questions.  Questions they don't have an answer to, whether they admit it or not.  They are being asked how Bitcoin can be regulated to prevent money laundering and illicit activity.  They bring up past successful investigations by law enforcement, such as the Silk Road shutdown, but offer very little insight into how they themselves can combat these issues.  They're alluding to the notion that law enforcement just needs to continue investigating the bad guys, and they'll do their best to enforce KYC.

Unfortunately, I don't think these answers were satisfactory to the panel.  Granted, they're nearly impossible to satisfy here, but to give the answer "you guys just need to keep working hard at finding the criminals" made me cringe a bit.  The government understands that it can expend a bunch of resources going after these guys, and if they invest enough into it, they should be able to find them.  But they're saying they want Bitcoin and Bitcoin-based businesses to make sites like Silk-Road more difficult / impossible to run.

I would have said that there have been many advancements since Silk Road 1.0 was created.  Exchanges were not even requiring customers to verify their identities up until Q2 2013.  That's under 1 year ago.  Buying Bitcoin has become less anonymous everyday, and you will not find a notable exchange which provides service to US citizens without completing KYC verification.  Furthermore, the successful Silk Road raid has scared a vast majority of potential clients and sellers away from this type of marketplace.  We've also seen many new illegal marketplaces shut down due to operators fleeing with users' funds.  The confidence in the Dark Markets is very low right now.

If you look how far Bitcoin has come in just 2 years, where people could easily and without fear of repercussions trade contraband with BTC, to today, where only the most technology-savvy users can be confident at all in anonymity, and with the Dark Markets, it is night and day.  It's unfair to expect things to change overnight, but there have been obvious and major progressions over a fairly short time span.

Furthermore, if the government refuses to accept crypto-currency and figure out a way to keep the average user happy, it will simply slip into the underworld.  There is no way for the government to shut these things down.  The criminals will find a way to continue on crypto with or without government approval of Bitcoin.  These are decentralized instruments, and by over-regulating them, you will just kill the currency and the criminals will operate with other derivatives of crypto.  By working with Bitcoin and Bitcoin businesses, you keep the volume in your playing field, where you can at least call some of the shots.

All in all I don't think this was the best showing for Bitcoin in general.  The cool new feeling of Bitcoin is wearing off and the government is starting to really focus in on the negative aspects (in their POV).  Realistically, I don't think we have an answer for these problems at the end of the day.  The government wants absolute control, they always want absolute control, and I think they're starting to realize that crypto is a step in the wrong direction in achieving this goal.  No one should be surprised.  The more popular Bitcoin gets, the more it's going to get hated by governments.  Bitcoin, at its roots, is designed specifically to exclude the need for authority.

Final side note, hilarious to see those Winklevoss leeches on the panel.  You can just see how scummy they truly are.  In nearly all questions they answer, all it looks like to me is them saying "please let my Bitcoins be worth more, please!"  These twinkle twins look like they'd toss each other under the bus if it meant making a quick buck.  Some of these guys, I believe truly exist in the currency for the right reasons, but the twinkle twins only believe in a panned out pump and dump.  Who would expect anything else from them. 




I disagree. I think it was very positive today.

Senators aren't regulators. So that was more softball, general stuff. Regulators are a different breed. The fact that bitcoins continued existence was an assumed fact speaks volumns. It sounded like the regulators were ready to write guidelines and I didn't get any indication that those guidelines would be overly suppressive. You obviously have some issue with the twins that is abnormal. The creation of the ETF is a HUGE step for the acceptance of bitcoin.

I think you assume that governments inherently hate bitcoin. I think you are wrong. Governments, like ours in the US, are run by elected officials. Their #1 priority is job security. To be reelected. Those that say governments hate bitcoin are just extremists and conspiracy theorists.



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Post by: fonzie on January 29, 2014, 12:44:03 AM
One interesting thing I noticed this time, as opposed to the last hearing, is that the Bitcoin backers seemed to be much more on the defensive.  In the previous hearing, law enforcement officials came on and were the ones tackling the regulation questions.  They gave a positive outlook on the situation, and the Bitcoiners really didn't face as much questioning in terms of regulation.  Now, this isn't the fairest direct comparison; there were no law enforcement officials being questioned in the NY Hearings.

However, now the Bitcoiners were having to answer really tough questions.  Questions they don't have an answer to, whether they admit it or not.  They are being asked how Bitcoin can be regulated to prevent money laundering and illicit activity.  They bring up past successful investigations by law enforcement, such as the Silk Road shutdown, but offer very little insight into how they themselves can combat these issues.  They're alluding to the notion that law enforcement just needs to continue investigating the bad guys, and they'll do their best to enforce KYC.

Unfortunately, I don't think these answers were satisfactory to the panel.  Granted, they're nearly impossible to satisfy here, but to give the answer "you guys just need to keep working hard at finding the criminals" made me cringe a bit.  The government understands that it can expend a bunch of resources going after these guys, and if they invest enough into it, they should be able to find them.  But they're saying they want Bitcoin and Bitcoin-based businesses to make sites like Silk-Road more difficult / impossible to run.

I would have said that there have been many advancements since Silk Road 1.0 was created.  Exchanges were not even requiring customers to verify their identities up until Q2 2013.  That's under 1 year ago.  Buying Bitcoin has become less anonymous everyday, and you will not find a notable exchange which provides service to US citizens without completing KYC verification.  Furthermore, the successful Silk Road raid has scared a vast majority of potential clients and sellers away from this type of marketplace.  We've also seen many new illegal marketplaces shut down due to operators fleeing with users' funds.  The confidence in the Dark Markets is very low right now.

If you look how far Bitcoin has come in just 2 years, where people could easily and without fear of repercussions trade contraband with BTC, to today, where only the most technology-savvy users can be confident at all in anonymity, and with the Dark Markets, it is night and day.  It's unfair to expect things to change overnight, but there have been obvious and major progressions over a fairly short time span.

Furthermore, if the government refuses to accept crypto-currency and figure out a way to keep the average user happy, it will simply slip into the underworld.  There is no way for the government to shut these things down.  The criminals will find a way to continue on crypto with or without government approval of Bitcoin.  These are decentralized instruments, and by over-regulating them, you will just kill the currency and the criminals will operate with other derivatives of crypto.  By working with Bitcoin and Bitcoin businesses, you keep the volume in your playing field, where you can at least call some of the shots.

All in all I don't think this was the best showing for Bitcoin in general.  The cool new feeling of Bitcoin is wearing off and the government is starting to really focus in on the negative aspects (in their POV).  Realistically, I don't think we have an answer for these problems at the end of the day.  The government wants absolute control, they always want absolute control, and I think they're starting to realize that crypto is a step in the wrong direction in achieving this goal.  No one should be surprised.  The more popular Bitcoin gets, the more it's going to get hated by governments.  Bitcoin, at its roots, is designed specifically to exclude the need for authority.

Final side note, hilarious to see those Winklevoss leeches on the panel.  You can just see how scummy they truly are.  In nearly all questions they answer, all it looks like to me is them saying "please let my Bitcoins be worth more, please!"  These twinkle twins look like they'd toss each other under the bus if it meant making a quick buck.  Some of these guys, I believe truly exist in the currency for the right reasons, but the twinkle twins only believe in a panned out pump and dump.  Who would expect anything else from them. 




I agree. Thanks for your summary. +1


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Post by: virtualfaqs on January 29, 2014, 12:44:12 AM
Some of these guys, I believe truly exist in the currency for the right reasons, but the twinkle twins only believe in a panned out pump and dump.  Who would expect anything else from them. 




They claimed they haven't dumped a single BTC yet and sure they've had many opportunities at multiple peaks.


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Post by: R2Pleasent on January 29, 2014, 12:48:37 AM
Some of these guys, I believe truly exist in the currency for the right reasons, but the twinkle twins only believe in a panned out pump and dump.  Who would expect anything else from them. 




They claimed they haven't dumped a single BTC yet and sure they've had many opportunities at multiple peaks.

These guys are thinking a lot bigger than the average Bitcoiner.  They're already loaded.  They want to be richer than Zuckerberg just because they bought a bunch of BTC early on.  They're not here to make $10 Million, or $100 Million.  They want what Justin Timberlake wants in the Social Network, Billions. 

I guess I gotta give it to them, they have mastered making money while contributing absolutely nothing of value.


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Post by: chessnut on January 29, 2014, 12:54:06 AM
HIGH FIVE WINKELWII!!

did you hear that?

he essentially said, if bitcoin is not supported or squashed, then a virtual currency without a public ledger (ie designed to be tumbled) is likely to take its place that is truly un-traceable!!

check mate!!


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Post by: BitcoinAshley on January 29, 2014, 01:21:07 AM
HIGH FIVE WINKELWII!!

did you hear that?

he essentially said, if bitcoin is not supported or squashed, then a virtual currency without a public ledger (ie designed to be tumbled) is likely to take its place that is truly un-traceable!!

check mate!!


Yes I think the regulators may be starting to understand this. Which is why I wasn't perturbed by the answers that were along the lines of "Just keep doing what you're doing, you did get the Silk Road guy after all." There really IS no sure-fire way to stop people who REALLY want to be anonymous, from doing just that. A lot of people fuck up, for sure, but there IS going to be money-laundering, no doubt about it. And there is no easy way to take care of it. But crushing Bitcoin just means something even HARDER to trace is going to pop up, and attempts are already being made at making bitcoin anonymity even easier and easier.


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Post by: chessnut on January 29, 2014, 02:46:38 AM
also, in the second video, Charles Lee raises a point that although bitcoin may be potentially vulnerable to attack from large foreign powers, the USA equally has the power and resources to secure the system. That could be critical if the USA needs to make a decisive decision to back Bitcoin.


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Post by: BitcoinAshley on January 29, 2014, 04:01:32 AM
also, in the second video, Charles Lee raises a point that although bitcoin may be potentially vulnerable to attack from large foreign powers, the USA equally has the power and resources to secure the system. That could be critical if the USA needs to make a decisive decision to back Bitcoin.


LOL. They would start an ASIC farm and grab 40% of the hashing power, then they would say "We need over 51% so that we can fuck with the known terrorist wallets!"
Then they would gain 51%, and get really confused when BTC instantly crashes to $0 and nearly all the value travels to Litecoin, Namecoin, and DOGE.

"Hmm? But we're from the government, we're here to help! Why don't you want our AML help?"


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Post by: chessnut on January 29, 2014, 05:06:41 AM
also, in the second video, Charles Lee raises a point that although bitcoin may be potentially vulnerable to attack from large foreign powers, the USA equally has the power and resources to secure the system. That could be critical if the USA needs to make a decisive decision to back Bitcoin.


LOL. They would start an ASIC farm and grab 40% of the hashing power, then they would say "We need over 51% so that we can fuck with the known terrorist wallets!"
Then they would gain 51%, and get really confused when BTC instantly crashes to $0 and nearly all the value travels to Litecoin, Namecoin, and DOGE.

"Hmm? But we're from the government, we're here to help! Why don't you want our AML help?"
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You would think so, but did you read my earlier post? this is check mate. If the US destroys Bitcoin they will be fighting a super-virus in the next round. they want a global crypto with a public ledger, not a tumbled public ledger, so they can track criminals.
It is in their interest to protect it now and support it, especially considering that the FBI holds 1%.
the overall tone of the meeting was that cryptos are revolutionary, they are here to stay.


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Post by: Rampion on January 29, 2014, 12:16:01 PM
also, in the second video, Charles Lee raises a point that although bitcoin may be potentially vulnerable to attack from large foreign powers, the USA equally has the power and resources to secure the system. That could be critical if the USA needs to make a decisive decision to back Bitcoin.


LOL. They would start an ASIC farm and grab 40% of the hashing power, then they would say "We need over 51% so that we can fuck with the known terrorist wallets!"
Then they would gain 51%, and get really confused when BTC instantly crashes to $0 and nearly all the value travels to Litecoin, Namecoin, and DOGE.

"Hmm? But we're from the government, we're here to help! Why don't you want our AML help?"

DOGE? You must be joking.


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Post by: Dafar on January 29, 2014, 03:09:09 PM
Round 2 just started!

http://www.totalwebcasting.com/view/?id=nysdfs


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Post by: threecats on January 29, 2014, 03:14:54 PM
law enforcement dude projecting the sum of all fears on bitcoin ....


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Post by: Dragonkiller on January 29, 2014, 03:21:04 PM
everything this guy is saying he wants is already being done


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Post by: Biodom on January 29, 2014, 03:24:18 PM
1. there are no bitcoin exchanges in US
2. exchanges outside of US already required all docs
3. coinbase requires name, address, credit card, cell phone for level 2 account (50BTC or 50 thou later on)


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Post by: threecats on January 29, 2014, 03:26:35 PM
too bad there is not some sort of rebuttal mechanism in play at the hearings ...


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Post by: Patel on January 29, 2014, 03:50:48 PM
RIP CoinJoin..?


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Post by: dancingnancy on January 29, 2014, 03:53:13 PM
what are these people trying to propose anyway on this mornings panel?  just a bunch of nonsense.  why isnt the current banking establishment being brought up re: fraud and criminal negligence.


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Post by: fonzie on January 29, 2014, 03:54:34 PM
what are these people trying to propose anyway on this mornings panel?  just a bunch of nonsense.  why isnt the current banking establishment being brought up re: fraud and criminal negligence.

because its about virtual currencies???


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Post by: dancingnancy on January 29, 2014, 03:59:22 PM
please, right out of this guys mouth is "no one should keep money from crimes if virtual or not" except all banks do this currently in the usa.. virtual money panel or not, its dumb.


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Post by: Rygon on January 29, 2014, 03:59:30 PM
LOL at their reference to being big holders of bitcoin.


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Post by: threecats on January 29, 2014, 04:05:01 PM
receeding hairline dude is clearly very paranoid about miners ....


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Post by: Biodom on January 29, 2014, 04:10:40 PM
Receding hairline dude??? Man has to know his limitations.
How can he regulate a miner in China, Canada or Bulgaria? He will regulate a miner in US, hence other countries will get more bitcoin-simple.
Charlie Lee had a brilliant proposition yesterday-all three word agencies have to start mining NOW-it will increase their budget, LOL.
He also thinks that miners are "strategic", LOL.


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Post by: P_Shep on January 29, 2014, 04:11:05 PM
receeding hairline dude is clearly very paranoid about miners ....

Christ, isn't he just! It's all he talks about!

If the US government wanted to make sure the miners couldn't do what they wanted, they could simply set up a mining operation of, say 25% of the network. Job done.


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Post by: KFR on January 29, 2014, 04:12:27 PM
Zabel came across well.


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Post by: Torque on January 29, 2014, 05:15:28 PM
Panel 2 is kicking ass today!  :D Kudos to Fred, Jeremy, and that Overstock guy (didn't catch his name)


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Post by: KFR on January 29, 2014, 05:17:39 PM
John Johnson I think he said.  They are all doing a fine job.


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Post by: keithers on January 29, 2014, 05:48:28 PM
I am watching some of this while I am at the office.   I am actually really impressed by Lawsky, and the people on the panel asking the questions of the bitcoiners.   They seem really open minded, and don't act as if they are economic gurus.   They seem open and willing to help move the industry forward if possible...


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Post by: BitcoinAshley on January 29, 2014, 05:49:20 PM
also, in the second video, Charles Lee raises a point that although bitcoin may be potentially vulnerable to attack from large foreign powers, the USA equally has the power and resources to secure the system. That could be critical if the USA needs to make a decisive decision to back Bitcoin.


LOL. They would start an ASIC farm and grab 40% of the hashing power, then they would say "We need over 51% so that we can fuck with the known terrorist wallets!"
Then they would gain 51%, and get really confused when BTC instantly crashes to $0 and nearly all the value travels to Litecoin, Namecoin, and DOGE.

"Hmm? But we're from the government, we're here to help! Why don't you want our AML help?"

DOGE? You must be joking.


Yeah, I must be  ;)


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Post by: Denton on January 29, 2014, 06:06:21 PM
Today the panelists were much better, seems positive overall. I'm very interested in the third panel
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Panel 3- The Academic View on Virtual Currencies


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Post by: Patel on January 29, 2014, 06:08:06 PM
This last panel which just took place, the 3 panelists did an excellent job.

Regulators are very open minded it seems.


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Post by: Biodom on January 29, 2014, 06:10:59 PM
I hope that they did not invite that Boston professor for the academic panel; he is just full of venom.


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Post by: seleme on January 29, 2014, 06:13:55 PM
Overstock guy is cool as fuck.


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Post by: Denton on January 29, 2014, 06:14:57 PM
I hope that they did not invite that Boston professor for the academic panel; he is just full of venom.

*Ed W. Felten- Professor of Computer Science and Public Affairs,
and Director of the Center for Information Technology Policy, Princeton University

*Susan Athey- Professor of Economics, Stanford University


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Post by: snakebit on January 29, 2014, 06:17:27 PM
I missed the 1st panel but I got to say, I was really impressed with everything I heard from the 2nd panel.


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Post by: Biodom on January 29, 2014, 06:34:32 PM
I hope that they did not invite that Boston professor for the academic panel; he is just full of venom.

*Ed W. Felten- Professor of Computer Science and Public Affairs,
and Director of the Center for Information Technology Policy, Princeton University

*Susan Athey- Professor of Economics, Stanford University

They don't list all people on the panel-Overstock guy was not listed.


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Post by: Denton on January 29, 2014, 06:44:52 PM
I hope that they did not invite that Boston professor for the academic panel; he is just full of venom.

*Ed W. Felten- Professor of Computer Science and Public Affairs,
and Director of the Center for Information Technology Policy, Princeton University

*Susan Athey- Professor of Economics, Stanford University

They don't list all people on the panel-Overstock guy was not listed.
He kinda was. See here. (http://"http://bitcoinmagazine.com/9725/nydfs-public-hearing-regarding-virtual-currencies/")
Are we going to hear about the "Deflationary Spiral of Death" from this professor of economics?


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Post by: windjc on January 29, 2014, 06:46:43 PM
I hope that they did not invite that Boston professor for the academic panel; he is just full of venom.

*Ed W. Felten- Professor of Computer Science and Public Affairs,
and Director of the Center for Information Technology Policy, Princeton University

*Susan Athey- Professor of Economics, Stanford University

They don't list all people on the panel-Overstock guy was not listed.
He kinda was. See here. (http://"http://bitcoinmagazine.com/9725/nydfs-public-hearing-regarding-virtual-currencies/")
Are we going to hear about the "Deflationary Spiral of Death" from this professor of economics?

No. They are both pro bitcoin.


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Post by: Dalmar on January 29, 2014, 07:09:22 PM
I loved how that balding bankster earlier today was too afraid to work with BTC-e.  ;D


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Post by: KFR on January 29, 2014, 07:42:24 PM
Ripple shill. :(

New drinking game: every time she mentions Ripple.


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Post by: Torque on January 29, 2014, 07:43:34 PM
Oh crap, Susan Athey mentioned Ripple about 3-4 times in the first 5 minutes of her opening remarks.  Heresy!


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Post by: threecats on January 29, 2014, 07:44:07 PM
guy in the middle is nervous about his bitstamp short


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Post by: phr0stbyt3 on January 29, 2014, 07:50:34 PM
Who is that chick behind the bench that just keeps "mhm"ing everything the other guys are saying?


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Post by: Denton on January 29, 2014, 07:52:28 PM
I hope that they did not invite that Boston professor for the academic panel; he is just full of venom.
Seems like he's been invited!  >:(
EDIT: OMG it's like all the FUD and misunderstanding has been concentrated in one man  :o


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Post by: KFR on January 29, 2014, 07:53:03 PM
Fetch the pitchforks folks.


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Post by: the_sunship on January 29, 2014, 07:53:51 PM
guy has to back off that mic. where's the soundman when you need one?


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Post by: Rygon on January 29, 2014, 07:54:38 PM
Dude #3 is a bear! Woohoo!


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Post by: podyx on January 29, 2014, 07:54:59 PM
SINGLE DIGITS IN JUNE GUYS!!

WE ARE ALL GONNA BE RICH


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Post by: Bobsurplus on January 29, 2014, 07:55:43 PM
SINGLE DIGITS IN JUNE GUYS!!

WE ARE ALL GONNA BE RICH


Fuck, you beat me to this one..

I don't see how he think he can make a statement link that.


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Post by: KFR on January 29, 2014, 07:55:51 PM
He seems so angry about Bitcoin.  I still don't understand that reaction.  


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Post by: Missionary on January 29, 2014, 07:56:11 PM
So the third panel is a FUD-shouting dinosaur, a "professor" bought by Ripple and one guy that seems somewhat intelligent?


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Post by: phr0stbyt3 on January 29, 2014, 07:56:26 PM
He seems so angry about Bitcoin.  I still don't understand that reaction.  
His buddy told him to buy and hodl in 2011 and he said no. Also, he is part of the regime wholly responsible for debt enslavement of our generation. He deserves to miss the boat.


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Post by: Bobsurplus on January 29, 2014, 07:57:23 PM
He seems so angry about Bitcoin.  I still don't understand that reaction.  

He must of bought at $200 then sold at $60.

Hes been burnt by the bitcoin sun.


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Post by: phr0stbyt3 on January 29, 2014, 07:57:49 PM
He seems so angry about Bitcoin.  I still don't understand that reaction.  
His buddy told him to buy and hodl in 2011 and he said no. Also, he is part of the regime wholly responsible for debt enslavement of our my generation. He deserves to miss the boat.

Whoops. FTFM.


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Post by: Bobsurplus on January 29, 2014, 07:58:59 PM
Here comes the rebuttals!


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Post by: threecats on January 29, 2014, 07:59:04 PM
So the third panel is a FUD-shouting dinosaur, a "professor" bought by Ripple and one guy that seems somewhat intelligent?

that seems about right


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Post by: Denton on January 29, 2014, 08:00:06 PM
He seems so angry about Bitcoin.  I still don't understand that reaction.  
His buddy told him to buy and hodl in 2011 and he said no. Also, he is part of the regime wholly responsible for debt enslavement of our generation. He deserves to miss the boat.
It's all clear when you hear him talking about the legitimacy of dollars. The paradigm shift that Bitcoin brings is what angers him.


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Post by: Bobsurplus on January 29, 2014, 08:00:30 PM
Ripple?? who cares about ripple?


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Post by: phr0stbyt3 on January 29, 2014, 08:01:06 PM
Ripple?? who cares about ripple?

Ripple.


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Post by: KFR on January 29, 2014, 08:01:49 PM
So the third panel is a FUD-shouting dinosaur, a "professor" bought by Ripple and one guy that seems somewhat intelligent?

I think you nailed it.  I also get the impression that everybody in the room sees it the same way.


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Post by: threecats on January 29, 2014, 08:02:24 PM
so powerful is bitcoin gravity that ripple chick has completely defaulted to "bitcoin"  ...


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Post by: Torque on January 29, 2014, 08:02:42 PM
At least she's back to talking about bitcoins instead of ripples  :D


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Post by: bitcoinlitcoinbtcltc on January 29, 2014, 08:03:54 PM
HAHAHAHAHA, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

China = btc banned
Russia = btc banned

A PROFESSOR OF FINANCE AT THE CURRENT NY HEARINGS JUST MENTIONED THAT BITCOIN WILL FALL TO SINGLE DIGITS BY JUNE OF THIS YEAR!


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Post by: Missionary on January 29, 2014, 08:04:14 PM
I really hope that prof. Felten squashes the FUD from the dinosaur and exposes the lies from the Ripple-spokesperson.


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Post by: Bobsurplus on January 29, 2014, 08:04:56 PM
At least she's back to talking about bitcoins instead of ripples  :D

Thank god...


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Post by: Denton on January 29, 2014, 08:05:01 PM
"Compliance with regulations would make an alternative cryptocurrency more succesfull then bitcoin."


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Post by: bitcoinlitcoinbtcltc on January 29, 2014, 08:06:21 PM
this babeey is going DOWN! DOWN! DOWN! DOWN!

sell ! sell! sell!

DON'T SEY NOBODIE WARTN YOUR SRY ARS!


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Post by: Missionary on January 29, 2014, 08:06:58 PM
Can SOMEONE (looking at prof. Felten) PLEASE introduce the word "decentralized" in the discussion so that people can distinguish between real cryptocurrencies and the ripple scam.


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Post by: segeln on January 29, 2014, 08:07:15 PM
but she is very eloquent


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Post by: fonzie on January 29, 2014, 08:07:28 PM
HAHAHAHAHA, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

China = btc banned
Russia = btc banned

A PROFESSOR OF FINANCE AT THE CURRENT NY HEARINGS JUST MENTIONED THAT BITCOIN WILL FALL TO SINGLE DIGITS BY JUNE OF THIS YEAR!

That lady added that it might go to ZERO. !!!

BTC RxIxP 2014


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Post by: fonzie on January 29, 2014, 08:08:49 PM
Ripple will go to the moooooon this year, hell yeah, im goin all in.


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Post by: podyx on January 29, 2014, 08:09:27 PM
Ripple will go to the moooooon this year, hell yeah, im goin all in.

 8)


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Post by: BreathOfZen on January 29, 2014, 08:12:48 PM
A bunch of the speakers over the last two days have been admiring Bitcoin's programmable nature, and I think that's pretty interesting.  The escrow example is a pretty good example. Is anyone out there today taking advantage of any of it?


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Post by: Dafar on January 29, 2014, 08:12:57 PM
"A 9000% increase should wake everyone up. It is not an increase you typically see in a commodity" - professor FUD

It's not a typical commodity and we've never had something like this before you f*king moron! It would be the same if people were allowed to have a stake in the internet during the early days.


He is just pissed he missed out on the profitz


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Post by: Dalmar on January 29, 2014, 08:13:52 PM
Ripple will go to the moooooon this year, hell yeah, im goin all in.

HODL your Ripple!


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Post by: Denton on January 29, 2014, 08:16:37 PM
The middle guy is the best of the three but overall it's a weak panel.


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Post by: keithers on January 29, 2014, 08:17:36 PM
"A 9000% increase should wake everyone up. It is not an increase you typically see in a commodity" - professor FUD

It's not a typical commodity and we've never had something like this before you f*king moron! It would be the same if people were allowed to have a stake in the internet during the early days.


He is just pissed he missed out on the profitz

Notice how professor fud (as you call him), is the only one that is reading his stuff off of info that was previously written?  Everyone else is speaking freely and expressing themselves pretty effectively, while he is just reading his lame article...

Nice to see a woman chiming in actually...


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Post by: Missionary on January 29, 2014, 08:18:22 PM
The guy in the grey sweater disagrees with the dinosaur.


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Post by: the_sunship on January 29, 2014, 08:20:15 PM
why don't they say that 51% would ruin the price? the miners have no incentive to get to 51%


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Post by: phr0stbyt3 on January 29, 2014, 08:21:53 PM
Ripple will go to the moooooon this year, hell yeah, im goin all in.
Ripple to da moon...

Meanwhile BTC:
https://i.imgur.com/Itl7rqJ.jpg


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Post by: Dafar on January 29, 2014, 08:24:56 PM
Why does this ripple bitch have any say on bitcoin? Why is she even talking??


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Post by: phr0stbyt3 on January 29, 2014, 08:27:40 PM
AHA! Professor fuddy duddy hates BTC because he favors a demurrage currency like freicoin. The cat is out of the bag!!!!!!!


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Post by: Missionary on January 29, 2014, 08:28:15 PM
I am going to call her "mrs. Ripple" cause she is obviously married to that scam. So we have prof. FUD and mrs. Ripple. Nice panel.


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Post by: threecats on January 29, 2014, 08:32:28 PM
this panel should have been assembled under the theme "how to ruin bitcoin"


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Post by: Bobsurplus on January 29, 2014, 08:42:26 PM
Mastercharge??? WTF


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Post by: phr0stbyt3 on January 29, 2014, 08:44:21 PM
Mastercharge??? WTF

Lawl. Freud was right I guess. Pretty fitting.


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Post by: Missionary on January 29, 2014, 08:44:28 PM
What are they talking about? Do they know anything about Bitcoin? Prof. FUD must be one of the most uninformed persons I have ever heard...


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Post by: phr0stbyt3 on January 29, 2014, 08:44:58 PM
What are they talking about? Do they know anything about Bitcoin? Prof. FUD must be one of the most uninformed persons I have ever heard...

Doesnt sound like any of them have much experience with BTC.


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Post by: Missionary on January 29, 2014, 08:46:08 PM
What are they talking about? Do they know anything about Bitcoin? Prof. FUD must be one of the most uninformed persons I have ever heard...

Doesnt sound like any of them have much experience with BTC.

Bitcoin fees as high as 9%. What?


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Post by: Denton on January 29, 2014, 08:46:20 PM
What are they talking about? Do they know anything about Bitcoin? Prof. FUD must be one of the most uninformed persons I have ever heard...
He didn't even come close to saying anything truthful.


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Post by: segeln on January 29, 2014, 08:46:49 PM
Mastercharge??? WTF
what is mastercharge ,please
as a foreigner i don`t know this idiom


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Post by: Rygon on January 29, 2014, 08:48:57 PM
Professor FUD looks bored and has started doodling.


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Post by: threecats on January 29, 2014, 08:50:00 PM
chick explaining bubble without china ....


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Post by: sidhujag on January 29, 2014, 08:51:50 PM
Why dont they talk about open transactions, so that the exchange rate fluctuations become negligible?


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Post by: Denton on January 29, 2014, 08:53:14 PM
Prof FUD is starting to bullshit really heavy now.


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Post by: KFR on January 29, 2014, 08:53:45 PM
No shit.  How the hell can he make the jump to Overstock being under-capitalised?

He's just making it up as he goes along.



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Post by: F-bernanke on January 29, 2014, 08:56:05 PM
Who is that guy, does he actually have a job? Ie someone who is prepared to pay him?


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Post by: Denton on January 29, 2014, 08:57:06 PM
No shit.  How the hell can he make the jump to Overstock being under-capitalised?

He's just making it up as he goes along.


At least those regulate see through the bullshit. Unlucky for Prof FUD the coinbase co-founder explained why they have no liquidity problems to them an hour ago.


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Post by: Missionary on January 29, 2014, 08:57:13 PM
And mrs. Ripple is back to... RIPPLE.


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Post by: keithers on January 29, 2014, 08:59:13 PM
You guys see the guy in the background falling asleep?  He keeps nodding off...haha 


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Post by: KFR on January 29, 2014, 09:00:56 PM
If he falls off the chair he'll be famous within minutes. 8)


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Post by: keithers on January 29, 2014, 09:01:15 PM
Guy in the grey jumper behind has been yawning the last hour. Now he's finally nodding off.

that will be an instant classic if he falls out of his chair


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Post by: keithers on January 29, 2014, 09:02:07 PM
If he falls off the chair he'll be famous within minutes. 8)

haha ESP


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Post by: Dafar on January 29, 2014, 09:02:32 PM
Professor FUD used to work in the Fed... how fitting


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Post by: mskryxz on January 29, 2014, 09:03:04 PM
hes asleep


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Post by: KFR on January 29, 2014, 09:03:07 PM
So now naughty Bitcoin needs to change its behaviour.  ::)


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Post by: keithers on January 29, 2014, 09:03:13 PM
girl on the left...would you?


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Post by: segeln on January 29, 2014, 09:03:28 PM
he just awoke


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Post by: P_Shep on January 29, 2014, 09:03:56 PM
Love his 'WTF is this guy talking about' expression and shake of his head :)


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Post by: P_Shep on January 29, 2014, 09:04:18 PM
girl on the left...would you?

Yes.


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Post by: KFR on January 29, 2014, 09:04:54 PM
I think all the incentive banks need for getting involved ASAP is to minimise their as-yet unrealised losses.


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Post by: segeln on January 29, 2014, 09:05:24 PM
no,she talks to much and to quickly


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Post by: the_sunship on January 29, 2014, 09:05:47 PM
every time i hear the word "Hoarding" I want to ask how much money the person has in his Savings account or IRA.


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Post by: Dafar on January 29, 2014, 09:06:28 PM
girl on the left...would you?

Yes. I was just thinking what I would be doing to her

no,she talks to much and to quickly

o_O we're talking about the girl on the LEFT, not queen ripple right


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Post by: keithers on January 29, 2014, 09:06:53 PM

The other girl on the left...the one that isnt talking haha


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Post by: Le Happy Merchant on January 29, 2014, 09:09:48 PM
That dude on the right obviously has no clue what is going on. 'Division sounds like dilution to me' so dumb.


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Post by: segeln on January 29, 2014, 09:10:48 PM

The other girl on the left...the one that isnt talking haha
Quote
girl on the left...would you?
so I will say yes


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Post by: Biodom on January 29, 2014, 09:15:41 PM
the ultimate sign of an institutional failure is to invite a person who has no clue regarding the subject at hand and is engaged in fantasy projections.
Would someone responsible ever say..it will be $10 (from $800) in four months? He worked for FED? Is this how Fed workers predict the future? LOL


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Post by: Dafar on January 29, 2014, 09:16:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk_kDkrx62s&feature=youtu.be

Response from Andreas, live

"3rd panel was basically a discussion about how BANKS will save us from the uncertainties of crypto currency"


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Post by: Holliday on January 29, 2014, 09:18:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk_kDkrx62s&feature=youtu.be

Response from Andreas, live

"3rd panel was basically a discussion about how BANKS will save us from the uncertainties of crypto currency"

Well, he nailed it. As I posted in the wall observer thread.

Conclusion:

We need to get MasterCharge involved so we can reduce volatility and get people to trust Bitcoin.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Master_charge_1966.png


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Post by: runam0k on January 30, 2014, 12:12:19 AM
Man, Andreas is good. Would love to have seen him on any one of the panels.


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Post by: keithers on January 30, 2014, 12:31:22 AM
Man, Andreas is good. Would love to have seen him on any one of the panels.

He should have been asked to be on the panel.   He is much more articulate than many of the speakers that were present.


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Post by: sickpig on January 30, 2014, 12:39:23 AM
Man, Andreas is good. Would love to have seen him on any one of the panels.

I do agree. One of the finest bitcoin evangelist I've ever heard, I'm starting to get addicted to his speeches :) Luckily for me he's pretty prolific.


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Post by: KeyserSoze on January 30, 2014, 04:40:34 AM
what is mastercharge ,please
as a foreigner i don`t know this idiom

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+mastercharge
The reference to MasterCharge further reveals the BearTrollFedFUDster panelist as a dinosaur since MasterCard stopped being known as MasterCharge in 1979.


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Post by: TheButterZone on January 30, 2014, 07:23:45 AM
Did anyone save the raw video? 1 BTC bounty as of now for the mystery briefcase: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wiqcm/mystery_briefcase_exchange_at_the_ny_bitcoin/


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Post by: chessnut on January 30, 2014, 07:27:16 AM

+1







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Post by: segeln on January 30, 2014, 10:41:12 AM
what is mastercharge ,please
as a foreigner i don`t know this idiom

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+mastercharge
The reference to MasterCharge further reveals the BearTrollFedFUDster panelist as a dinosaur since MasterCard stopped being known as MasterCharge in 1979.
Thanks,but I got it already while thinking about the Freudian slip that was supposed here.


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Post by: keithers on January 30, 2014, 10:46:18 AM
Did anyone save the raw video? 1 BTC bounty as of now for the mystery briefcase: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wiqcm/mystery_briefcase_exchange_at_the_ny_bitcoin/

There has to be a copy of the raw video floating around somewhere...


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Post by: phr0stbyt3 on January 30, 2014, 06:33:58 PM
every time i hear the word "Hoarding" I want to ask how much money the person has in his Savings account or IRA.

Idiot. Nobody hoards USD$$$$


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Post by: pungopete468 on January 30, 2014, 06:44:41 PM
every time i hear the word "Hoarding" I want to ask how much money the person has in his Savings account or IRA.

Idiot. Nobody hoards USD$$$$

This is extremely accurate...

How many people have enough saved to retire these days? We strongly discourage savings here! The US mentality is, "Why should I save when I can just borrow?"

I've been spending as much FIAT as I can on BTC for a while now. I have around $200 left in USD in all of my accounts combined. The funny thing is that I'm saving so much more than ever before just by converting it to BTC... It's great.


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Post by: sidhujag on January 30, 2014, 11:31:35 PM
every time i hear the word "Hoarding" I want to ask how much money the person has in his Savings account or IRA.

Idiot. Nobody hoards USD$$$$

This is extremely accurate...

How many people have enough saved to retire these days? We strongly discourage savings here! The US mentality is, "Why should I save when I can just borrow?"

I've been spending as much FIAT as I can on BTC for a while now. I have around $200 left in USD in all of my accounts combined. The funny thing is that I'm saving so much more than ever before just by converting it to BTC... It's great.

Thats because you cant spend in BTC, yet.


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Post by: pungopete468 on January 30, 2014, 11:53:12 PM
every time i hear the word "Hoarding" I want to ask how much money the person has in his Savings account or IRA.

Idiot. Nobody hoards USD$$$$

This is extremely accurate...

How many people have enough saved to retire these days? We strongly discourage savings here! The US mentality is, "Why should I save when I can just borrow?"

I've been spending as much FIAT as I can on BTC for a while now. I have around $200 left in USD in all of my accounts combined. The funny thing is that I'm saving so much more than ever before just by converting it to BTC... It's great.

Thats because you cant spend in BTC, yet.

I've bought from Overstock twice and TigerDirect three times in the last two weeks. I just tend to spend much more with my USD on frivolous purchases...

I don't spend BTC because it's too painful to watch my balance decrease... Every time I spend BTC I have to buy it back ASAP to get my balance back where it was.

With BTC I only spend it specifically on what I need/want. Whenever I go shopping with USD I end up with a few extra things that I don't really need.


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Post by: chessnut on January 30, 2014, 11:59:04 PM
every time i hear the word "Hoarding" I want to ask how much money the person has in his Savings account or IRA.

Idiot. Nobody hoards USD$$$$

This is extremely accurate...

How many people have enough saved to retire these days? We strongly discourage savings here! The US mentality is, "Why should I save when I can just borrow?"

I've been spending as much FIAT as I can on BTC for a while now. I have around $200 left in USD in all of my accounts combined. The funny thing is that I'm saving so much more than ever before just by converting it to BTC... It's great.

Thats because you cant spend in BTC, yet.

I've bought from Overstock twice and TigerDirect three times in the last two weeks. I just tend to spend much more with my USD on frivolous purchases...

I don't spend BTC because it's too painful to watch my balance decrease... Every time I spend BTC I have to buy it back ASAP to get my balance back where it was.

With BTC I only spend it specifically on what I need/want. Whenever I go shopping with USD I end up with a few extra things that I don't really need.

you must take your USD, buy bitcoins, and spend them on overstock. it works out the same. For the community!!


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Post by: keithers on January 31, 2014, 11:10:00 PM
every time i hear the word "Hoarding" I want to ask how much money the person has in his Savings account or IRA.

Idiot. Nobody hoards USD$$$$

This is extremely accurate...

How many people have enough saved to retire these days? We strongly discourage savings here! The US mentality is, "Why should I save when I can just borrow?"

I've been spending as much FIAT as I can on BTC for a while now. I have around $200 left in USD in all of my accounts combined. The funny thing is that I'm saving so much more than ever before just by converting it to BTC... It's great.

Thats because you cant spend in BTC, yet.


I've bought from Overstock twice and TigerDirect three times in the last two weeks. I just tend to spend much more with my USD on frivolous purchases...

I don't spend BTC because it's too painful to watch my balance decrease... Every time I spend BTC I have to buy it back ASAP to get my balance back where it was.

With BTC I only spend it specifically on what I need/want. Whenever I go shopping with USD I end up with a few extra things that I don't really need.

I am a little the same way.  Buying stuff I don't really need with dollars but not doing that with BTC