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Someone suggested I post this here.

If you got to https://moonco.in right now you get an invalid cert error, if you look at the cert it says it is owned by ICE.gov

If you whois he IP of his site, it says it is owned by ice.gov

immigration and customs enforcement, is responsible for closing down a bunch of gambling domains and domains that sell counterfeit goods.


Right now mr_moon is MIA, and his reddit account is deleted(not sure why but figure it is info that belongs here)

his Gmail addy no longer works.

but most of the time when they seize a site you get an federal warning on the site, explaining it was seized.

Last and probably of little note, bitcoinexpress said he was going to report moonco.in to icann for lying on the whois. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40469.msg507500#msg507500)


which you can imagine how i would feel about that.

What I would wonder is why the guy would lie on his whois in the first place.

really? People like to think of bitcoins as anonymous, it is one of the big draws.

plus you have to admit there are a few trolls here.

and he is running a gambling site in the US.

He probably didnt have to outright lie though, he could have told the truth but not been very forth coming. Set up a business name. He could have obscured his identity without lying

Shows Akamai for me.
http://dnstools.com/?count=1&arin=on&portNum=80&target=moonco.in&submit=Go%21

i dont know what moon coin is, why its important or what it did/does, or why they would get shut down

please inform me

It had been operating with a variety of services -- including something interesting to me, a prediction market similar to what http://www.betsofbitco.in offers.  Google cache shows a recent version of the site:
 - http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:moonco.in&hl=en&strip=1

 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=23002.0
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=29375.0
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25182.0

As I said in the other thread, it is precisely for this reason that Namecoin exists. Note that sites do not need to be based in the U.S. for the US Government to seize their domains, since ICANN is based in the US. I wonder if this is an isolated incident or the start of something larger.

A lot of speculation elsewhere that this was a 'faked' ICE seizure and the moonco admin just took the bitcoins and ran and setup a fake ICE seizure as his excuse/alibi

Wow, I was going to post that as my going theory.

Damn you BitcoinExpress btw, karma will not be kind to you in life.

But yeah, Mr Moon seemed fed up with having to deal with everyone's bullshit, this is one of the few times that I almost would side with that party based on the amount or real stress that must have been caused by just the SolidCoin hater harassment alone, people are such assholes.

I dunno.  SolidCoin was shady from the start.  Lots of promises backed by one guy?  Bragging his chain was flawless, exposing it to attack and harming the users of his chain to fluff his ego?  Doesn't sound stable at all.  Infact, this sounds par-for-course in terms of SC's history.

SolidCoin and Mr Moon are not the same person nor thing.  Mr Moon was being harassed by SolidCoin haters just because he was dealing with SolidCoin at all it seems.  People did not like the fact that you could have a nice place to exchange BTC and SolidCoin, along with side perks.

No? He took my bitcoins it seems. I thought I withdrew, but I can't find the tx, maybe I didn't or maybe he didn't pay it.

THERE IS A COPY THERE AND SOMEONE ELSE SUGGEST I POST IN BTC DISCUSSION SINCE YOU KNOW MOONCO.IN WAS ORIGINALLY A BTC SITE, AND YOU COULD BET ONLY WITH BTC AND NAMECOINS AND NOT WITH ANY ALT CURRENCY(yes I know namecoin is one technically, how about search the site for it) AND THE EXCHANGE TRADED BTC AS WELL.... BUT IF YOU THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE KEPT BITCOIN USERS IN THE DARK ABOUT WHERE THEIR BITCOINS WENT THEN BY ALL MEANS HAVE THE THREAD MOVED.


and yeah i had a couple btc there as well. WE all get how much you hate solidcoin and yes it was the biggest solidcoin exchange, but it was mainly a BTC site (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KRiz0xNsy58J:moonco.in/+moonco.in&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)

You nailed it.  He's a scammer.  Bring out the pitchforks.

doesnt make sense that ice would close his gmail and especially his reddit account (wtf?). Definitely smells of scam imo

Hmm, wonder if that is where that 20k sell-off came from.

And you cry about them when they are enforced...

actually i will agree with you there btcexpress, people need to be wary, i didnt have anything of consequence, at todays prices probably less than $25. I thought about removing them and even told people it would be stupid not to, until the solidcoin situation was worked out but that I didnt have enough to matter if it was lost.

here is what a domain normally looks like after being seized (http://STOREOFEAST.COM)

and it's whois (http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/storeofeast.com)

Dammit, how am I going to replace the 6.XX solidcoins I had on there?

there might be a way to get your coins back, but for right now, it is best to wait and see how things turn out.

Another scam & run, scam pops up. Busted red handed by the looks of those certificates.

The intent behind it.  I am not a believer of 'by any means necessary' or other quips that would make BitcoinExpress' actions okay, if the accusations are true that is.

You can't have a "free market" and then cry when the free market kicks you in the crotch and takes your lunch money.

Um, part of the free market involves figuring out what happened and who is good and bad to deal with. It isn't magic paste.

Hahahahaha  ;D That's pathetic enough to make me laugh.

OP can you update your title and first post with this information please. I came in here expecting government thugs but all I got was a scammer who is about to be taken in by gover... oh wait.

All the ICE takedowns have been at the domain only. If you put the IP and hostname in your /etc/hosts or %WINDIR%/system32/drivers/etc/hosts file, you can still access the sites. There is even a Mozilla plugin (MafiaaFire) that automatically works around it.

My bet is this is faked.

Are you talking about this moonco.in specifically or ICE takedowns in general? Does anyone know the original IP address of moonco.in?

This doesn't look like a Government takeover.  Those are done by serving a court order on the domain registrar, forcing a domain transfer.  That didn't happen here.  WHOIS still shows the registrant as "Drake Moon", with a bogus street address. The DNS server for "moonco.in" is DNSEXIT.COM, which is a dynamic DNS service.  DNSEXIT has been told to route the domain to "a184-86-115-26.deploy.akamaitechnologies.com" [184.86.115.26].  This is part of Akamai's caching server farm for big sites.

This doesn't mean that "moonco.in" is hosted by Akamai.  It looks more like the owner of "moonco.in" pointed it to an Akamai server used for some part of "www.ice.gov". So the SSL cert returned doesn't match.

The basic possibilities are 1) the owner is trying to confuse people, or 2) they signed up for Akamai service to handle a huge amount of traffic. (Many of the top 100 sites on the Internet use Akamai. Few if any low traffic sites do.)

How do you know that Mr Moon and Coinhunter is not the same person?


Actually it is even more simple: any exchange trading SolidCoins (or some other shitcoins) should be a huge red flag for everyone. Well, one can use it for the usually early investor ripoff - only risking shitcoins in doing that.

And then they change their username and do the whole thing over again.


The free market: it can move mountains*


*offer only valid if you already own mountain moving equipment. If you do not own such equipment, you are probably a parasite and received this message in error

Thank goodness I withdraw every little coins I had the moment it was up.

Fairly amazing...  people do such crap...  if he got hacked then scream I got hacked...  if he's just a con artist then we'll add it to the long list that came before him and most likely will come after.

Tards like that do nothing to help us.

Hey guys....

I had deposited 34BTC on moonco for trading. The address that was given to me for the deposit was:

1B6egk2RjiHRnZKjj7aoT89ZtqiQCEQrhL

as you can track on block explorer all the way, he moved them multiple times. Look like he had a total of 896 Bitcoins. maybe more.

Is there any way to get this back? or are am I screwed?

any info will be helpful

Truly sad and amazing these things happens. Sucks that it happened the same day our site https://btfuture.com (https://btfuture.com) went live because now everyone is skeptical; however, if anyone wants to continue to participate in a prediction market run on bitcoins to join our site.

If you question whether you can trust us, we will gladly verify our identities with a trusted member/s of the bitcointalk community. Thanks for those of you who have joined now, just need more so we can get our market up and running!

Did anyone contact the immigration and customs enforcement? Stealing bitcoins etc is a pretty arbitrary crime because the value is arbitrary and I doubt any agency would commit resources to tracking down BTC thiefs but people scamming other people by impersonating a federal officer is known territory to them.

Hmm, I guess one could draw a line between putting up a fake ICE seizure, and impersonating a federal officer/agency.


It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

An IP Address that Mr Moon used was 24.7.158.162. This list of wikipedia pages edited by this IP address are here (http://wikien3.appspot.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.7.158.162). This list includes namecoin related edits. It also includes edits to Christian Verdun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Verdun) and a disambiguation page for 'Paradox', an art piece by Christian Verdun. There are a lot of edits associated with that. Christian Verdun sells artwork for bitcoins and solid coins here (http://paradox.rambisyouth.com/). Maybe Mr Moon knows him? Or he knows Mr Moon? Christian goes to UC Davis, not far from Sacramento where Mr Moon's IP address is geolocated.

Christian Verdun appears to be upisdown (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=22691;sa=showPosts;start=0) on the bitcointalk forums here. He has posted as being a user of moonco.in.

Mr Moon's Wikipedia page edits include plant related pages, a topic that Christian indicates as being interested in studying at UC Davis in this interview (http://blogs.suntimes.com/shinyobjects/2009/05/5-questions-with-christian-verdun---how-did-he-create-his-lincoln-assassination-image.html).

Christian/Uptown, if you read this, have you had any contact with Mr Moon since the closing of his site?

Following up to my last post. Christian Verdun lurked in irc as 'upisdown' in #bitcoin-otc. His OTC rating is here (http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=upisdown&sign=ANY&type=RECV). Doing a '/msg nickserv info upisdown' on Freenode I get:
That IP address is the same as the IP address that was Mr Moon's moonco.in server, and the IP address Moon lurked in #namecoin, and posted to forums and email. Could it be a university shared IP and they were both behind the same NAT or something?

If I go to moonco.in I am greeted with a certificate digitally signed by the ICE. If that's not impersonation I don't know what is.

http://solidcoin.info/market.php

Someone is selling Christian Verdun art...

Traceroute paradox.rambisyouth.com goes to  apache2-moon.beijing.dreamhost.com [69.163.194.64]
Edit: seems a lot of dreamhost domains have that apache2-moon path ;-)

Maybe useful:
http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x45D09545F1218E9F
https://checkout.google.com/reviews/merchant/endUserReviews?sellerId=277296763527281

No photos tagged “abstract” - christian's Blog on Vox
trimpton.vox.com/library/photos/tags/abstract/
AIM: trimpton; Google Talk: trimpton@gmail.com; Skype: trimpton

Yes, he's paradoxart on reddit too selling his art. There's a couple of moonco.in related posts too.

I found Christian Verdun's email address here: https://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=56425896494&topic=20350&post=100266

(gotta love facebook!)

If that guy is Moon, and if he still goes to school at the .edu address, I imagine he'd have a harder time graduating if the school administration was informed of his potentially 'fraudulent' activities (probably something against the CoC). Infact, if it is the same guy, that same guy might be willing to trade all the BTC he stole for his college degree. It might be a way for him to get out of this without any (if any?) criminal charges.

I don't know if that'd be considered blackmail. But hell, i'm not a lawyer, just thinking out loud.

I have followed some coins...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=38453.msg471531#msg471531

sV6xrL4YCV75jaRfbdnaH6WLhhn1FBY3Px

http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/address/sV6xrL4YCV75jaRfbdnaH6WLhhn1FBY3Px
http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/tx/2e8386160e28ae7f06fee9a0a629a6328477fa15aff9dde1d18f3816318a1f1d#i1

0.5 SC to mooncoin donation address... Could be just a donation, or not...

EDIT:
The second part of that transaction above goes to another address, and then additionally 100 in 1 transaction to the moincoin address.
http://blockexplorer.sytes.net/tx/57eee5a9309638ef3ef4f7c1a1e44b444befe4a3f3d5196983a18ced5bbf3618#i0

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kuP7BpRj_H8J:https://moonco.in/bet/389/view+sckHNgUp87mpi1SRZNQWmRK6rjqbbGb2EK&cd=1&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de

Donate
Bitcoins: 1GVLbQsiwsTQicXMX2QKh7GJ67u3GzRAxo
Namecoins: NJsKXhAn9MaCaoRBDpf75vwhEWFu3uNvBD
Solidcoins: sckHNgUp87mpi1SRZNQWmRK6rjqbbGb2EK

© 2011 Mooncoin

I just checked this in the db. The (dynamic [DHCP assigned, though it hasn't changed in a bit]) address registered to that host at that time is not a shared area or enforced NAT. It's a residential home addr   ess.


moon.dreamhost.com is a coincidentally named dreamhost shared hosting server, there are a few thousand accounts on it. Ignore this trail. Misleading.

I checked through #solidcoin logs, this guy certainly did talk to me about his art pages. Strangely? Him and mrmoon are on at the same time here.


And our private chat


Hope it helps.

I have used the site like many others here but I have no involvement in it. Please stop harassing me and making threats of physical violence. The "evidence" provided so far does not prove my involvement and if it did you should take this information to the police not threaten me.

Every internet connection I use is shared internet. In my apartment/dorm (It's included in the rent, like our water), on campus and at coffee shops. I'm not a skilled programmer (not unless you count html/css) and I spend all my time studying plant science and working on art and selling it. To me it is a rather odd accusation that I have been operating a gambling site exchange, since I have spent the summer doing field research to cover my internship credit.

In fact, the above post shows that I was logged in at the same time as the accused scammer at the same time with a different IP address. Having the same IP address at one point in time is not as good of evidence as having different IP addresses at the same time that we are not the same person.

If you are still convinced it is me, I encourage you to use legal channels because I'm not guilty and have nothing to hide from the police.

Full disclosure regarding my connection: I did use mooncoin to bet on games and play poker. I was initially interested after it was posted on reddit because it was open source (I generally support open source software, which is what originally interested me in Bitcoin, its a common theme in my art). I lost some Bitcoin I made selling prints. I did have online conversations with MrMoon when the site was just a poker site, he was at the tables often and seemed nice.

I have sold art work for Bitcoins, a fair amount, and I believe everyone of my customers has only positive feedback.


 

LOL an edit to a page on money laundering that is ironic

I doubt he will be back as Mr Moon, maybe Mr Sun or Mr Stars.  If he is willing to resolve the mess, he would be out already rather remain hidden

I dropped a polite email to the UC Davis police department that someone attending their university may have committed a whole lot of wire fraud.

Based on just that? No, not clearly; it would be easy to run two clients side by side with one of them connecting thru proxy, or two machines and different internet conenctions (there are even cellphones with IRC clients nowadays). I'm not saying anything about the accusations, i'm just saying that different IPs in IRC (or many other systems) doesn't mean much.

Deadends?

http://pokerprolabs.com/mooncoin/pokerstars.aspx

http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp?mode=thread&id=183182

Interestingly that 'different ip' (209.237.253.79) is very similar to the ip used by mr_moon when he briefly appeared to post his 'pastebin' link claiming the exchange was hacked:

You say you don't know how to program but your github account (https://github.com/cwverdun) links to a C++ project that lists you as a contributor (https://github.com/Jqwerty/hw4#readme).

Hey, whatever happened to the double major in computer science?

http://blogs.suntimes.com/shinyobjects/2009/05/5-questions-with-christian-verdun---how-did-he-create-his-lincoln-assassination-image.html

For a non-programmer you post a few programming questions to ruby on rails lists (http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=gZzMphIAAACIUCObt2wt7IenH2qMer-N8rhlH0Pnl47z4AZhN98BFg).

I can post more code if necessary, but it will be in HTML or CSS (is implied).

Here is a summation of some things myself and other SolidCoin people could find on mr_moon / Christian Wayne Verdun

http://solidcointalk.org/topic/204-what-happen-to-mooncoin/page__pid__2078__st__20#entry2078 (http://solidcointalk.org/topic/204-what-happen-to-mooncoin/page__pid__2078__st__20#entry2078)

trimpton is a user name on SA.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2585949&userid=61301

Now this: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.ruby.rails/249680

He lied about only knowing about HTML and CSS. This is not an opinion!

Is the moon waning or waxing here? Need to dust off my astrophysics book.

aint the 209.237.253.79 range a datacenter ?..

"you're the guy who, after trying to create a movement to spam senators and representative's voice mail with messages demanding impeachment, thought it was an outrage against democracy and a sure sign the united states was going to hell in a handbasket that Senator Feinstein's staff wouldn't give him her personal number"

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2424993&userid=61301&perpage=40&pagenumber=2#post333819498

The man is versed in God, politics, and Battlestar Gallactica.   I find the SA connection being made here funny, I'm sure others do not. 

.55 and .79 are in the same vlan #804 (on brocade dsx's?), looks like same delegated customer/enduser

:>

It's usually funny when deviantART meets SomethingAwful.

http://www.ubercart.org/forum/bounties/7434/looking_get_quickbooks_integrated_uc_drupal_6

And from the dump: 46904,upisdown,trimpton@gmail.com,

http://trimpton.livejournal.com/profile

COINCIDENCE!

lol

To be fair, ECS30 is more of an introductory course to programming. Their course, focusing primarily on Xcode (Apple; Leopard, iOS). Not many instructors at Davis working with that ya know. Jesse Anzlec there is his lab partner and those HW2-HW5 repositories are their homework. Shame on you for letting Jesse do most of the work... I hear he is an excellent bowler as well. Do you also let him hit all the strikes for you?  Oh, and by the way your 3 bedroom 'apartment' with pool looks awfully comfy at $1800~ a month.

 On your nickserv info and you suggesting that 'he may have been leeching the neighbor's wireless, same ip, blah blah, shared internet'. Sure, if you expect us to believe Mr. Moon was stalking you and parked outside of your place, and only 6 minutes after your last irc login as upisdown, he logged in to the same friggin irc network and created mrmoon. riiighttt... And as soon as you stop assuming your audience here are ignorant we will all move on.

P.S apples suck and so do Iphones with Verizon. Its his Iphone using the 209. addy thru US Colo there btw...
     http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/limechat-irc-client/id298766460?mt=8

http://web.archive.org/web/20031030015434/http://www.opticalflare.com/about.shtml


Unless C++ is CSS

  You know, at first glance I thought to myself, "There is no way this guy in 2003 is the same guy just because he used 'Trimpton'@opticalflare.com'." And then, as I always do, I spent way too much fuggin time reading the material you post. andddd. Well, turns out your bud from Optical here was about 15/16 years old in 2003, lived in Ventura and had a house with a pool....  Might be worth looking to see if his father owns or owned a mechanics shop under the last name in the area, as he mentioned that as well.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030320203024/http://duckandcover.opticalflare.com/

Creepy as always, thanks. still reading. ;p


Edit addt info;

   http://www.sxc.hu/profile/trimpton

Well, it's likely you aren't a mastermind.  You used the same ip address to post as the only two advocates of moonco.in.  One of which can be easily linked back to who you really are, and often posted promotional material within minutes of the other.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=29375.msg388004#msg388004

You want us to believe that the two top promoters of mooncoin, an unpopular exchange for an obscure currency happen to have the same ip address (1 in 4 billion chance), but don't know each other?

I wasn't able to accomplish that goal, my adviser told me it would be impossible. I was allowed to take a programming class but any more would have put me over the credit limit. Its something I like but not very good at, like music. I'm a transfer student so it is already difficult enough for me to make the adjustment.


I took an intro computer programming class, I don't think that qualifies as being a skillful programmer. I know enough to appreciate the difficulty and tediousness of programming. I don't really enjoy it, that is why I got into Biology.


I asked a very basic questions on a rails mailing list, reviewing the content of the questions displays my lack of lack of knowledge on the subject.


I was also a promoter of Betcoin and other Bitcoin sites trying to get others to use them so I would have more people to play poker against. I'm upset the site went down but it also didn't seem very professional near the end, I did not many Bitcoin on the site. I'm more upset I'm being unfairly accused of stealing Bitcoin and as result being harassed and having threats made against me and my family.


At 16 I did believe I knew C++, but I was also naive. And you are too if you think you can garner truth out of a high school student trying to impress people on his blog.

I don't think it is fair I'm being made the fall guy here and people are attacking me without evidence. No one is trying to determine if I'm actually associated with the site, I'm just assumed guilty because we had the same IP address at different times despite having different IP addresses while be online at the same time.

Also, I never seen Battlestar Gallactica so I have no idea where that came from. This poorly done investigation and vigilante justice is not the right way to handle things.

Nobody is stretching anything.  The group of people who used Mooncoin and Solidcoin was very small.  The group of people who actively participated in promoting mooncoin like you did, included only 2 people.  Two people who often posted within minutes of each other.  In the same style.  From the same ip.  It's not a stretch at all.  Actually, it's a stretch to believe otherwise.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=29375.msg388004#msg388004

There were many more then two people posting about Mooncoin, I found out about it through reddit and was encouraging others to use it so I would have people to play poker with. I used Mooncoin before Solidcoin existed. You are selectively ignoring all the other posts to satisfy your confirmation bias.

I also promoted for Betcoin when I found out that it was the original, and several other open source Bitcoin projects. I did not invent those either.

There's a difference between "posting" and "actively promoting".  You actively promoted the obscure cryptocurrency exchange of a scam artist who shares your ip address.  You might just be terribly unlucky, but I'm sure you can see that it looks bad.

Either way, you're right that the authorities should be contacted.  This is the FBI's website for reporting internet crime.  I'd encourage everyone who lost currency on Moonco.in to use it.  The longer we wait the less likely we'll be to recover lost funds and catch the scammer.  Don't assume everyone else will report it.

http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx

I think you meant fall guy.

If this were me that was being accused of anything, I would be screaming from the tallest building that I'm not guilty. I would contact everyone I know, personally, to give them complete details of way what is being said of me is false. I would not take the time to address each point with vague reasons. The way I read it is that something is being hidden. Please prove us wrong, CV.

Bruno

I didn't realize that's way justice works: guilty until proven innocent. This poorly done investigation and vigilante justice is just resulting in people harassing me and my family and sending us threats of violence despite having no involvement beyond being a user like you. It isn't fair to make me the scapegoat based on flimsy evidence and it is not the appropriate way to handle the situation to resort to vigilantism.

I doubt the police will get to you before one of the hardcore crazies from these boards does.

Carl Schroeder, please stop with the threats of violence. If you really think I'm involved bring your evidence to the police and let the justice system decide. They will do what everyone here failed to do and talk to my professor I did field research with and confirm I have no involvement.

At this point I hope the police come because I haven't committed a crime, beyond playing poker with everyone here for Bitcoin.

I haven't defrauded anyone out of any money or services, so I can't imagine why anyone would wish me harm.  Also, I have been using this handle continuously since Doom II was released. It is the opposite of an anonymous one.  I have neither sought nor needed any sort of anonymity to protect myself as a member of the internet community. Finally, I have never executed a single line of code from Solidcoin, nor did I ever use your exchange, so I was never harmed by any of your activities.

I find it mildly amusing that you bothered to look me up on google, but not read my post history on these boards.  ::)


That was my point. Given the sort of people who were devout supporters of Solidcoin, and the fact that they were defrauded out of thousands of dollars, you should probably call the police and explain the situation to them. Rapidly.

Great sells reputation? Yet someone on bitcoin otc says you scammed them? Or is that just another magical coincidence of someone trying to frame you using your known aliases?

http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=upisdown&sign=ANY&type=RECV (http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=upisdown&sign=ANY&type=RECV)


They will, you've defrauded over $20000 USD from people around the world. That's a big step from your first fraud you've committed, what's next for you? There's enough evidence here to start a proper investigation, and it will start with your friends and family who may have also been in on this scam with you. You shut down your google+ and facebook accounts to hide but you've made too many mistakes.

Here is a cached version of your google+ account you deleted, still linked on Robbie Miller's page
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cEl6XaqeaYkJ:labs.mirror.me/googleplus/106162443326279040431+%22alex+dunn%22+christian+verdun+google%2B&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au&client=firefox-a (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cEl6XaqeaYkJ:labs.mirror.me/googleplus/106162443326279040431+%22alex+dunn%22+christian+verdun+google%2B&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au&client=firefox-a)

Somebody is getting dangerously close to the Godwin Wall here. Everything about this character screams scammer, and I say that with extensive background in identifying, and prosecuting those who use electronic means to fleece others.

Study his posts closely, you will find classic patterns that crop up in just about every online scam, from the protestations of innocence to the overly aggressive defense and turning turtle when the facts start to fly. If his claims to be college student (although one who spent too much time star gazing and not enough learning to craft a coherent sentence) didn't bear out, I would expect his IP to resolve to Lagos or Moscow, where lots of like-minded criminals use free wi-fi, and share connections, and victim leads with each other. They also tend to pimp their scam in a very similar manner, and don't think anybody will read a time stamp.

The ICE confiscation is an obvious fake, real ICE confiscations direct viewers to the Federal Court that ordered the seizure, and for those of you who concern themselves about exposure, log your IP with each hit for correlation with both known associates of the alleged perpetrator, and to find potential victims. And know that the current record of recovering losses to sites that have actually been seized, prosecuted and ordered to pay restitution is running less than half a cent on the dollar in the New York District, which has exponentially more prosecutions in this arena than any other part of the country.

And for our friends outside of the US who hope to recover using American law enforcement? Bon chance, mes amis, you are, as they say, shit outta luck. Non citizens who have been stolen from by Americans almost never recover a penny. And the US authorities always funnel any such potential recovery through the tax authorities in your home country. It's a treaty thing.

Best suggestion? If you have documented losses, and you feel that this evidence is compelling, bring charges. Contact your local police, swear out your complaint, and make damn sure they know you will cooperate as they work with the local authorities in California to investigate. One claim won't make a difference, 10,000 from around the country will. And then bring civil proceedings against those who you believe are responsible. Most jurisdictions will allow a small claims action to be brought pro se, and will allow claims up to $5,000 depending on your local law. Having somebody served several hundred times to appear in court around the country to answer charges, or risk several hundred default judgements that can be turned over to his local police for collection is a delightful way to ruin a thief's day. Realize a judge will know absolutely nothing about your case, but a clean cut appearance, and piles of documentation showing that you, the clean cut citizen, voter and all round nice person, sent your hard earned shekels, simmoleons or scam-coins using the advice provided by this self-proclaimed "expert" who touted the benefits of following his advice. He, the tout in this case, is a conniving snake oil salesman, who doesn't like his mother, claims to be an artist, and living in California, probably has a history of degeneracy and narcotics use. Hizzoner would be doing society a solid by finding against this scoundrel, and although you know your chances are slim, you want to see justice done to save little old ladies, like your own beloved mother, from the clutches of this heathen bastard.

Presto, default judgement. Send the paperwork to a process server in his jurisdiction, wait for the three attempts to get him served and satisfy his debt, and you can have the sheriff seize assets, like his bank accounts, his furniture, and his mining rig. Maybe even a garnishment against the proceeds of his summer internship?  Thinks he wants the school to find out what he REALLY spent his summer doing?

Use the system to your benefit- its what you pay for.

What an interesting combination of contradictory statements and bad advice!  Something about that last post rubs me the wrong way, so I'm going to break it down.  The post starts out by bashing the scammer to earn trust, then gives bad advice that will not likely lead to prosecution.  The first problem is that he suggests both that the scammer resides outside of the US, then says that people outside the US are SOL.  This is contradictory.



This makes me think LoupGaroux has unsaid intentions, or at least doesn't know what he's talking about.  Then he recommends that people contact local police instead of the FBI experts in internet crime or his school police who would be better able to assess the situation locally.  This comes across to me as intentionally bad advice and sets off alarm bells.

Upisdown's linguistic skill degraded rapidly before LoupGaroux's post, which pointed out that he has poor language skills.  It seems like someone is trying to distinguish themselves as a different author.  Look at upsidedown's earlier posts, he knows how to speak proper English.  He describes 'paradox' as a 'literary device' here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=24829.msg308325#msg308325

Upisdown took the same break from bitcointalk.org.  Sept 5/6 - Sept 27/28.  LoupGaraux also began posting on this topic hours after upisdown left.

Finally, LoupGaroux reports having other personas here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15672.msg507350#msg507350

...and LoupGaraux means werewolf, which has traditional ties to the moon.  Very clever!

If this is MrMoon, of course he would influence people to report to local police instead of the FBI experts on internet crime.  Even if it's not Mr Moon, this is a federal matter, not a local matter.  Report directly to his school police: dmmalloy@ucdavis.edu or to the FBI here: http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx

If people put the same amount of effort into finding out who they're dealing with before doing business with these ventures as they do into trying to locate that information after the horse has bolted, half of these dramas wouldn't happen in the first place.

I wonder if people said that after Enron.  Some of us did put effort into that before the indecent, but we are dealing with a semi-anonymous currency.  Plus, at one point Moonco.in was the only exchange for Solidcoin, so even if you investigated, there was no shopping around.  Rape victims are often told they shouldn't have dressed a certain way, car thefts could have been avoided by parking elsewhere.  You can look at any crime and twist it so that the victim is to blame.

They certainly did.  There were even analysts who questioned whether Enron was all smoke and mirrors before it collapsed.  Even some accountants at the firms signing off on Enron's financials raised questions about what was really going on.  The very people - the analysts and the accounting firms - who were supposed to be putting Enron under scrutiny, were feeding at its trough and looking the other way.

By pure chance, The Smartest Guys in the Room was on TV here the other night.  It remains a compelling story, but the fact that the whole sub-prime mortgage collapse thing was able to happen in a post-Enron world convinces me that people really are doomed to repeat the same mistakes.

My point is, no matter how well known the entity is, crimes like that will be committed, and guys like you will find a way to blame the victim.  You could probably look at most fatal shootings and find a part during the victim's day they should have done differently to avoid it.  Sometimes it's just being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but if you aren't a victim you can enjoy a sense of intellectual superiority, right?

I'm interested in knowing if you are mr_moon, not whether you've committed a crime. It's entirely possible mr_moon got hacked or otherwise lost control of the server containing the wallet and is handling the situation badly. If that is the case I'd prefer he just come out and help with fund tracking - wallet addresses, etc from backups he should have. mr_moon said he was traveling when the server originally went down so whether you were on a field internship or not doesn't affect your likelihood of being or knowing mr_moon.

@ElectricMonk- I can assure you that I am not upis, or in any way related to the moonie business, other than as an observer on the sidelines who likes to see criminals get taken down when they rip people off.

I am in fact, just a minor, minor newcomer to the bitcoin world, with two whole rigs and delusions of growth, fame and fortune. I suggest contacting your local police, in the US, because the FBI experts in Internet crime will not have two seconds to consider this issue. They are busy looking at the billions of dollars that are flowing around the internet in criminal enterprise, and chuckle politely when told about $20,000 losses, and consign the case to the "well that was a stupid place to put your money" pile and flag the complaint to see if there are several other thousand that they might actually get some traction on. My thoughts were on taking action, not blowing rhetorical smoke up people's asses. For those who want to do something, a local complaint is the basic first step. Using the FBI official placebo form is an utter waste of time. Calling the UC Davis police, while a good way to vent, will have no effect. Nothing that has been discussed in this thread suggests that any criminal enterprise happened through any agency of UC Davis. None of the strikingly competent investigators who have done their homework on this issue have said anything about using school computers, school facilities, or any other element of the school in this effort. The UCD police will ask if the crime happened on campus, or involved campus related computers, and then tell you to call your local police. They might write upis a ticket if he parks illegally on campus, but they sure won't give a damn about your missing mooncoins or anything else that they can't wrap a nightstick around.

Thanks for reviewing all of my posts, I do claim to have different personae- although the allegorical lycanthropic link to the moon is a charming thought, it is pure coincidence. I started using that handle after watching the film, Pacte des Loups. You will find me mining as the Tiki God on some pools, so I can also be associated with tossing virgins into volcanoes; you can find all sorts of nasty allegations about the state of my mental health on a variety of ultra liberal forums where I throw stones and post agit-prop under the pseudonym "ronin"; and if you really want a laugh you can find my work with 419eater.com under the name Toussaint Tatsugi.

My IP, when I forget to run through Tor, will resolve to the suburbs of Chicago. Sorry to be the prick to your bubble, but no mr moon here. Thanks for playing.

Remember:

Innocence Proves Nothing

The FBI has shown interest in cryptocurrency, and I don't think they would ignore such a scam.  You might not be him, but your post still doesn't make sense.  You suggested non-Americans should leave it be because it was an American, and that Americans should talk to their local police instead of the FBI because... it was a Russian? 

One of the IRC IP addresses resolved to an on campus location. Plus, most universities are interested if their students are committing federal crimes since it would result in egg on their face if they gave a degree to a felon. Both the FBI or the USPIS can investigate wire fraud, so a polite note to either of them would also be productive. Filing a local police report would be useful for documenting evidence for a civil claim.

@ElectricMonk: the original sentence (a very meandering one in your defense) was:
If his claims to be college student (although one who spent too much time star gazing and not enough learning to craft a coherent sentence) didn't bear out, I would expect his IP to resolve to Lagos or Moscow

boiled down it yields
If his claims to be college student didn't bear out, I would expect his IP to resolve to Lagos or Moscow

He was trying to say that upisdown resembles the classic Nigerian or Russian scammer archetype. When he says "I would expect", it means that if he had to guess (without foreknowledge of the where the IP address resolves to) he would guess Nigeria or Russia.

Ok, that makes sense.

I love the internet!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0737768/plotsummary

Are you saying that Mr Verdun is actually Victor Buono?  ;D

Wow there, bud! I know where you're going with this. You think that all because Buono looks like Bruno, that I somehow have a part in all this. I'm done with Bitcoin!

@Electric- I missed the IP hit on a campus computer, that makes the UCD police a much better resource, but the bottom line is the FBI, while they do maintain a reporting infrastructure, don't devote any appreciable resources to a crime counted in tens of thousands of dollars in a theoretical currency that has just popped up on their radar. Imagine the prosecutor trying to justify the charges to a US Attorney by explaining the the value stolen was based on hash function solutions in a distributed network, and that value established by pure market forces generated real time in a peer to peer virtual trading floor. That, coincidentally, they have no oversight on, has no regulatory authority, has no precedence in law, and is operated pretty much anonymously.

That is a giant can of caveat emptor that they will never trouble themselves with. They can't legislate it, they can't slap handcuffs on it, and they can't get media time telling the world how great of a job they did attacking it, let alone being able to explain it. You sent some funny crypto money analog off to an online thingy that sort of said you would get some sort of return back in more or other crypto money analog, and then the thingy disappeared, and the nicknamed people behind the thingy claim that somebody else stole their nicknames and turned off the gizmo that held all the crypto money analog. Imagine your local square-jawed, earnest, clean-cut G-Man, taking that report and telling his boss that he has a crime to solve. Or, they can look for real bank robbers. Where do you think the energy is going to get spent?

In terms of taking action, outing the alleged criminal in public discussion is probably the best path, tar and feather their activities with righteous fury. If you want to follow that up with action, filing a report with your local law enforcement will get you a lot further than doing it remotely with the cops where the perp lives. I propose civil actions because you can win by default, and then the system will work for you, albeit at a glacial pace. And one day, probably a couple of years from now, the sheriffs will seize his property, have a sheriff's auction and the proceeds will be split up by the creditors, and you might be able to implement a garnishment against his wages, assuming he has any non sub-rosa income.

My caution for non-Americans was just a sad statement that our law enforcement will do very little to resolve their claims, and if by some stretch of the imagination they actually were able to prevail against the scum who did this, any restitution would be treaty-bound to run through the fingers of their respective national taxing authorities before they ever saw the remaining crumbs.

And yes, I do tend to craft ridiculously meandering sentences. Editing out the snarky parenthetical asides makes my thoughts far more cogent, but far diminished in terms of the intellectually rich experience of enjoying them.

So, ICE doesn't care the least that people can use their name whenever they want?

 :-\  That is a problem with notifying any law enforcement agency including local police and FBI.  I can't imagine trying to explain this to local police and expecting them to take action.  I doubt they know or care about what Bitcoin is, and the scammer probably isn't in this region.  At least the FBI has made attempts to learn about bitcoin, and has a mechanism for reporting such crimes.  If enough people report there, I'm sure they will take action.  The UC Davis police have other reasons to investigate.  Regarding the value of what was stolen, I'm pretty sure it was more than a typical bank robbery.

Christian Verdun (T) upisdown.809 cwverdun@ucdavis.edu

Just admit it.

I would like to remind everyone of California Law

"California Penal Code Section 653m

(a) Every person who, with intent to annoy, telephones or
makes contact by means of an electronic communication device with
another and addresses to or about the other person any obscene
language or addresses to the other person any threat to inflict
injury to the person or property of the person addressed or any
member of his or her family, is guilty of a misdemeanor. Nothing in
this subdivision shall apply to telephone calls or electronic
contacts made in good faith.
   (b) Every person who, with intent to annoy or harass, makes
repeated telephone calls or makes repeated contact by means of an
electronic communication device, or makes any combination of calls or
contact, to another person is, whether or not conversation ensues
from making the telephone call or contact by means of an electronic
communication device, guilty of a misdemeanor. Nothing in this
subdivision shall apply to telephone calls or electronic contacts
made in good faith or during the ordinary course and scope of
business.
   (c) Any offense committed by use of a telephone may be deemed to
have been committed when and where the telephone call or calls were
made or received. Any offense committed by use of an electronic
communication device or medium, including the Internet, may be deemed
to have been committed when and where the electronic communication
or communications were originally sent or first viewed by the
recipient.
   (d) Subdivision (a) or (b) is violated when the person acting with
intent to annoy makes a telephone call or contact by means of an
electronic communication device requesting a return call and performs
the acts prohibited under subdivision (a) or (b) upon receiving the
return call.
   (e) Subdivision (a) or (b) is violated when a person knowingly
permits any telephone or electronic communication under the person's
control to be used for the purposes prohibited by those subdivisions.
   (f) If probation is granted, or the execution or imposition of
sentence is suspended, for any person convicted under this section,
the court may order as a condition of probation that the person
participate in counseling.
   (g) For purposes of this section, the term "electronic
communication device" includes, but is not limited to, telephones,
cellular phones, computers, video recorders, facsimile machines,
pagers, personal digital assistants, smartphones, and any other
device that transfers signs, signals, writing, images, sounds, or
data. "Electronic communication device" also includes, but is not
limited to, videophones, TTY/TDD devices, and all other devices used
to aid or assist communication to or from deaf or disabled persons.
"Electronic communication" has the same meaning as the term defined
in Subsection 12 of Section 2510 of Title 18 of the United States
Code."

This is not a warning. In our country you cannot harass someone based on the vague assumption they wronged you - if you have evidence take it to the authorities. I'm getting caught up in unfair vigilante justice, internet detectives have been wrong in the past and they are wrong now. This has gone beyond trolling, I'm being made a convenient scapegoat despite clear evidence of me being on a different IP as the same time as the supposed scammer.

Andre Verdun, Christian's brother? who by chance happens to be a lawyer replied to an email I sent requesting information.

Christian Verdun has now been verified as mr_moon. Christian's lies in this thread say a lot I think.

http://solidcointalk.org/topic/204-what-happen-to-mooncoin/page__view__findpost__p__2112 (http://solidcointalk.org/topic/204-what-happen-to-mooncoin/page__view__findpost__p__2112)

He sent you the following message:


Please stop harassing me, I used the site but I was not involved in it. I spent the last summer busy with a field research (plant science) internship and working on art. I go to a school with the quarter system, I have no time for anything so accusing me makes no sense.

Sorry Christian I've had to put you on ignore to avoid any contact with you going forward, not sure what you said this time.  ;D

Lol, this is so scam  :D

Wow, so trolling is a misdemeanor? What happened with freedom of speech?

Does his own brother have trouble understanding him?

trollcrime lol

http://j.imagehost.org/0029/tumblr_ldan0iOQTd1qcxcjfo1_400.gif

Never mind.  If Coin Hunter's worried about internet lawyers, he can always retain SomethingAwful's favourite counsel (god knows SA gets enough threats from internet lawyers, and even the occasional real one).

http://www.somethingawful.com/hosted/crabs/

I'm sure we all have one of these in our closets:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pOiZoEeA1B0/TWXh6T9_SwI/AAAAAAAAATs/rN-CyLhCPtg/s400/127262-1-18a7d6e06c28cc6f1081ba01cf543805.gif


Trolling is a misdemeanor, and freedom of speech is a misnomer.

Federal rap happy campers:

The crime of wire fraud is codified at 18 U.S.C. § 1343, and reads as follows:

    Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

But if you want to take your chances with California as the venue, perhaps a quick scan of the following sections is also in order:

With respect to actions taken involving financial instruments and agencies of transaction-

California Penal Code Sections 186.9 - 186.10

With respect to actions taken involving mining and the value of the product of mining-

California Penal Code Section 487d

NB- this is the State that had 49er's and mining as their economic mainstay long before football was invented, they take people screwing around with "mining" in any form very seriously indeed. Thou shalt not fuck with another man's mine, his mining equipment or tools.

With respect to larceny or embezzlement of articles of value and negotiable instruments-

California Penal Code Section 501

With respect to computer or internet based crimes-

California Penal Code Section 502

NB- oops, you picked a venue that actually knows a thing or two about hacking, jacking and wire fraud. They actually have more laws about computer crime in print than they do for prostitution, imagine that!

I'll save everyone the eyeball bandwidth repeating those sections here in toto, but whoever did this is looking at multiple felony counts, and at least $250,000 in fines per count. And every criminal diversion above $250 is a felony count for the fine. Hmm, $20,000 divided into $250 counts equals 80 felony counts, which at a cool quarter mil a pop will have you clipping coupons in the Grey Bar Hotel at San Quentin for probably the rest of your adult lifetime.

awesome rating 'took BTC and ran'
whoever ran moonco.in did it out of their home thru http://www.netdorm.com/

don't know why anybody trusted that site.

 

How often people even charged much less found guilty of every instance of the offence they've committed in these cases and how often is the maximum possible penalty applied against every instance, though?

I once copied a VCR tape and gave it to a friend for his friends to view. Luckily I wasn't caught like SO MANY OTHERS who are probable still sitting in prison. Tomorrow, I'm going to press my luck and copy a song off the internet and play it in my truck with the windows open.

BRB!

I'm back. The lights went out so I took a $1.00 bill out of my wallet and lit with a match to use as a light to see where I have going. It worked so well, I did it again.

I also once put a quarter on the rail tracks to have a train flatten it.

I'm such a rebel!

Somebody help me with an issue I'm having!

I can't understand how somebody who wrote as their first post,...


...posted 7 times in the newbie section (had to pen at least 4 or 5 posts, plus community service of 4-5 hours), once on Alternate Cryptocurrencies, and the last 4 posts on this thread.


I read well written content, but the timing of joining this board and opting where to post after serving Newbie time--and a 23 day vacation--has me puzzled.

Please set me straight with your comments.

Golly, I was noticed by a Genuine Hero Member!

Why pick this thread? No particular reason. I happened upon it looking for a support thread on an alternate currency, read it and felt inspired to remark.

Why the 23 day vacation (and don't I wish it had actually BEEN a vacation!)? As above, no particular reason, I was mostly on a laptop in the intervening time, and didn't have my login on it, and with real world business responsibilities, just didn't take the time. As to great content... well, just like my ex-wife, judgement is best reserved for the eyes of the beholder, I write, you decide. But like like any self-respecting knee-jerk reactionary out there I will rise to the rhetorical bait when offered the opportunity. Want to paint me with shades of mr.moon colors? I have to offer a cogent response. Perhaps even one that that will stand up to the scrutiny of the Gee Whiz Super Dooper Secret Investigator Club that is able to find all 11 posts by a given nick and leap to conclusions therefrom.

Did I miss a requirement in the newbie training that says we aren't supposed to have opinions about tacky behavior, like stealing and abusing trust? I was so busy picking up trash along the expressway for my Community Service time, I might have fallen asleep in the back of the lecture.

Special Bonus Hint: For all you forensic didactic diagnosticians out there, take careful note of my use of the word "expressway". Your Regional Colloquialisms Handbook will indicate that my reference to an inter-urban paved transport path as such, will give a clear indication as to my linguistic roots, and support that whole IP resolution thing. Had I been from California, I would have called it a "freeway". Wicked clever Machiavellian thought right there, for damn sure.

Anyone has the right to contact you to collect the debts that you owe to them. In fact, it is a prerequisite for lawsuits to first contact you for payment.

Three things to think about here... first off, the citation that you make covers only those communications made for purposes of harassment. No judge in the world, not even California, will permit anybody to hide behind that from those who are pursuing a legitimate obligation to them by someone who has been identified as the person behind a fraud. Can't use legalese to shelter criminal activity. Sorry.

Secondly, it is interesting that you would state that you would do a "quick google/lexis nexus search and find out more about you." I assume you meant a LexisNexis search, the access to which is a very closely controlled system, and misuse of it for purposes other than the narrowly defined parameters established by law, most specifically the FFCRA would land you solidly into stalker land. And that, dear readers, will most certainly get the UC Davis police, your local police; and going across state lines, even the FBI involved. Interstate electronic stalking IS understood by every law enforcement official in the country, and they have established procedures to deal with it. You want to find yourself treated like the perps on To Catch a Predator, you just go right ahead and abuse LexisNexis to "find out more about people", or better yet, have your brother the lawyer do it. Can you say disbarment? Can you say sanctions? Can you say what a crappy Thanksgiving it will be at your house with the two of you under indictment for really stupid behavior?

And third, consider if you will those self same California Codes in respect to a citizen's right to protect themselves, their family and their property. Up to and including the right to reasonable forcible restraint of a suspect in a crime. Hell, the law specifically protects an intended victim when he takes action to prevent criminal action against himself, and requires law enforcement officers to assist in the apprehension and prosecution of the criminal thus apprehended.

Come clean, do your proper mea culpas and return the ill-gotten fruits of your theft to the rightful owners, or start helping find your real mr.moon. Hey, somebody might even believe you one day... it worked for OJ.

All you need to do is register your domain offshore so ICE can't take it. No GoDaddy or other popular US domain registrars. Servers should also be far away from US MLAT treaty.. failing that any Euro country or host that respects privacy and resists simple takedown orders like prq.se

Liberty Reserve exchangers and other e-gold type IBCs that have been around for 20+yrs all know never to host anything financial related in the US unless you want everything eventually seized. Especially if you're promoting online gambling like mooncoin guy was doing.. recipe for disaster

Looks like this guy was scamming anyways and ICE wasn't remotely involved

I'm wondering if CV's brother was a wrestler.

He was. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_Suicide

Any proof that he's the same guy as the lawyer as CV's brother?

CV's mother's myspace page lists a YouthSuicide as one of her top friends.
CV also complained about his family being harassed after an email was sent to Andre.
You could wander through the #solidcoin IRC logs for Freenode.net and find a lot more stuff.

Someone more bored than I will need to check vital statistics to see if they are brothers. You have both of ther DoBs... But, I can atest to Andre Verdun the wrestler being Andre Verdun the San Diego attorney.

Andre Verdun (Youth Suicide) @ 16:40~
http://www.mtv.com/videos/wrestling-society-x-full-episode-ep-1/1554865/playlist.jhtml#series=2211&seriesId=21955&channelId=1

Andre Verdun (Youth Suicide) MySpace tagged photos making the easiest match.
http://www.myspace.com/youth_suicide/photos/7579918/tagged#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A7579918%7D

Andre Verdun; same facial features and balding pattern as the attorney..
http://www.myspace.com/youth_suicide/photos/27426619/tagged#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A27426619%7D


Andre Verdun (Youth Suicide)/ (San Diego Lawyer)
http://crowleylawgroup.com/AndreVerdun.html


Have to make up your own damn minds and/or do some more research from there.

One of CV's old merchant sites had an address that can be linked to Andre.
https://checkout.google.com/reviews/merchant/endUserReviews?sellerId=277296763527281
https://usidentify.com/christian-verdun
http://www.ci.santa-paula.ca.us/Minutes/2004/4cc11_08.pdf

 Aye, the last one at least likely saves one the trouble of a vital stats search. Parents, Tina and Jesse Verdun. As pointed out a few pages back from CV's blog posting in 2003 about a car issue and asking his father to fix it. His parrents own Jesse's Radiator shop in Ventura. I do however find it odd that I don't recall reading much in CV's blog about an older brother. Though at that age ones mind tends to be more localy fixed. GF, Car, Evil parents trippin on ya. ;p


I am sure his brother has advised him not to communicate here further but he thinks he is smarter than every one else, so who knows.

Just come clean, Christian...
 

Mr Moon will be in jail one day for beating up a person who was trying to sell his artwork but not this crime lol

Seems like the Bitcoin mafia & mob don't want the other coins to succeed.

Why would you say that? You should give the thread a read before jumping to conclusions. ;)

This was a classic case of a scammer who stole Bitcoins (and Solidcoins, but that chain was shut down and yet to restart). Mr Moon tried to make it look like his site was hacked, but he fumbled that ruse quite badly. Now people are trying to determine his identity in order to recover damages.

So is this over now? did anyone get any compensation? Did we find the guy?

I think its kinda funny how abruptly the thread just ended.

Damn I wish this person would have gotten caught.

Did noone involve police or fbi?

aye, good to recall the past lest we condemn ourselves to repeat our same mistakes.  It would be nice to see Mybitcoin brougt back up as well.

Hard to say if anyone botherd. My interest was purely to help people who would wish to take legal action determine who the moon person was. I'm not sure that any one lost any significant amounts to motivate them to take legal action.
Of course the other thing is, if one were to be tied up in some sort of civil matter they may not be able or desire to speak about it here.
Anyone who lost money here care to chime in?