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Title: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: j3steven on February 05, 2014, 12:19:02 AM
Hi all....please don't bash your head into your desk because this is another "im new to mining, should i do this to make $" thread.  Well, it kind of is.. :P

I'm looking to get into mining bitcoin for fun, and any profit would only be a side bonus.  My goal right now is to do mining to make a bitcoin or two down the road, to hold on to them and hope that the price of BTC increases in the years to come.

Now I've done some research by surfing the good ol WWW, especially these forums, and understand the difficulty is trending on only increasing and mining for profit can be expensive if someone is serious....... but I figured I'd throw my scenario out to you guys/gals and see what your thoughts are.


I saw a few Butterfly Labs Jalapeno boxes on eBay that say they can mine at 10-12 GH/s for around $350 +shipping.  From what I've read, these are simple boxes you just plug into a PC and start mining (Im sure with a little set up).  If I'm wrong with that, please let me know.  If it's that simple I was going to click Buy and plug n play with it.  The PC I'll be using is a very standard home PC, Windows 7, nothing exciting about it.  The positive is that I will be running this machine where I do not have to pay for electricity.

What are your thoughts?

Thank you!  ;D


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: Gopher09 on February 05, 2014, 12:42:46 AM
What are my thoughts ?
You will never make 350$ back with jalepeno , and stealing electricity from a business , and or taxpayers in the case you work for the government just makes you a fucking scumbag.
Even if you work for a bank , who is in fact the man, your still a scumbag for stealing.



Hi all....please don't bash your head into your desk because this is another "im new to mining, should i do this to make $" thread.  Well, it kind of is.. :P

I'm looking to get into mining bitcoin for fun, and any profit would only be a side bonus.  My goal right now is to do mining to make a bitcoin or two down the road, to hold on to them and hope that the price of BTC increases in the years to come.

Now I've done some research by surfing the good ol WWW, especially these forums, and understand the difficulty is trending on only increasing and mining for profit can be expensive if someone is serious....... but I figured I'd throw my scenario out to you guys/gals and see what your thoughts are.


I saw a few Butterfly Labs Jalapeno boxes on eBay that say they can mine at 10-12 GH/s for around $350 +shipping.  From what I've read, these are simple boxes you just plug into a PC and start mining (Im sure with a little set up).  If I'm wrong with that, please let me know.  If it's that simple I was going to click Buy and plug n play with it.  The PC I'll be using is a very standard home PC, Windows 7, nothing exciting about it.  The positive is that I will be running this machine where I do not have to pay for electricity.  No it's not my parents house, it's my office, I figured it's another way I can stick it to the man.

What are your thoughts?

Thank you!  ;D


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: diatonic on February 05, 2014, 12:45:00 AM
What are my thoughts ?
You will never make 350$ back with jalepeno , and stealing electricity from a business , and or taxpayers in the case you work for the government just makes you a fucking scumbag.
Even if you work for a bank , who is in fact the man, your still a scumbag for stealing.

Wow, some people here are real assholes.


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: j3steven on February 05, 2014, 12:57:54 AM
Sorry for any ill-will there guys, geze.   I dont work for any government related institution.

Again....I want to do this for the sake of fun.  Even if it takes me 6 months to mine 1 whole BTC.  I figure instead of spending that much on a new toy like a PS4 or XboxOne, buy one of these to play with and down the road it could pay itself off.  Im talking....mine 1 whole BTC or a partial one, and in a year or two the price of a BTC doubles.  All hypothetical thinking, again...for fun.



Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: Jothand on February 05, 2014, 01:34:16 AM
What are my thoughts ?
You will never make 350$ back with jalepeno , and stealing electricity from a business , and or taxpayers in the case you work for the government just makes you a fucking scumbag.
Even if you work for a bank , who is in fact the man, your still a scumbag for stealing.

Wow, some people here are real assholes.

Ain't that the truth. Gopher09 has no idea who OP is or what OPs personal situation is.

OP, if you want to buy the jalapeno, and you can afford to spend the money, my opinion is to do it. Buy it, plug it in, watch it chug away. You seem like you want to get into mining and I think you should. Get into it. Get your feet wet and have fun. Learn all you can about mining and the bitcoin network. Earn some bitcoin and then spend it. Give it away. Buy some, sell some, save some, get active in the bitcoin community. Talk to your friends about it. Talk to your family about it. Spread the word. Get others interested in bitcoin. Just don't expect to get rich mining, it won't happen. Unless you plan on going balls deep and even then it's a risky move.

I see so many people on this forum telling people not to get into mining because it's not worth it anymore. I call bullsh!t on that. Miners secure the network, even the little guys like us. We contribute.



Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: LAMarcellus on February 05, 2014, 01:39:32 AM
"The positive is that I will be running this machine where I do not have to pay for electricity.  No it's not my parents house, it's my office, I figured it's another way I can stick it to the man."

If you work for a private company then this is stealing.
If you work for the U.S. government then.... well played.


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: j3steven on February 05, 2014, 01:45:48 AM
Thank you for the updates.  The electric part is a little more detailed that what it looks on the surface so I edited it from my original post, in the end it's not stealing.  Too much to type to explain and that's not the part I was hoping to focus on.

I am definitely a fan of Bitcoins, I think its really interesting, even though I understand how late I am in the game at this point.  If I dont get the Jalapeno I am definitely going to invest in some BTC and just buy them.

Do you think it'd be feasible to mine a whole BTC within a few months using such a simple set up like that?


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: Gopher09 on February 05, 2014, 01:46:48 AM
Are you actually defending him stealing? Wow, as if his circumstance might somehow make it ok to steal??
You are also a scumbag.

What are my thoughts ?
You will never make 350$ back with jalepeno , and stealing electricity from a business , and or taxpayers in the case you work for the government just makes you a fucking scumbag.
Even if you work for a bank , who is in fact the man, your still a scumbag for stealing.

Wow, some people here are real assholes.

Ain't that the truth. Gopher09 has no idea who OP is or what OPs personal situation is.

OP, if you want to buy the jalapeno, and you can afford to spend the money, my opinion is to do it. Buy it, plug it in, watch it chug away. You seem like you want to get into mining and I think you should. Get into it. Get your feet wet and have fun. Learn all you can about mining and the bitcoin network. Earn some bitcoin and then spend it. Give it away. Buy some, sell some, save some, get active in the bitcoin community. Talk to your friends about it. Talk to your family about it. Spread the word. Get others interested in bitcoin. Just don't expect to get rich mining, it won't happen. Unless you plan on going balls deep and even then it's a risky move.

I see so many people on this forum telling people not to get into mining because it's not worth it anymore. I call bullsh!t on that. Miners secure the network, even the little guys like us. We contribute.




Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: krodmandoon on February 05, 2014, 01:49:13 AM
It's stealing no matter how you slice it. Banks have been doing it for years, corporations thrive on shorting the little guy on damn near everything and the govt has had it's hands in our pockets legally ever since the 16th amendment was passed.

Do it. It's fun and the worst case scenario is you end up not making any money and you are out $350 that won't even be worth $350 in two years.


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: krodmandoon on February 05, 2014, 01:50:53 AM
Are you actually defending him stealing? Wow, as if his circumstance might somehow make it ok to steal??
You are also a scumbag.

What are my thoughts ?
You will never make 350$ back with jalepeno , and stealing electricity from a business , and or taxpayers in the case you work for the government just makes you a fucking scumbag.
Even if you work for a bank , who is in fact the man, your still a scumbag for stealing.

Wow, some people here are real assholes.

Ain't that the truth. Gopher09 has no idea who OP is or what OPs personal situation is.

OP, if you want to buy the jalapeno, and you can afford to spend the money, my opinion is to do it. Buy it, plug it in, watch it chug away. You seem like you want to get into mining and I think you should. Get into it. Get your feet wet and have fun. Learn all you can about mining and the bitcoin network. Earn some bitcoin and then spend it. Give it away. Buy some, sell some, save some, get active in the bitcoin community. Talk to your friends about it. Talk to your family about it. Spread the word. Get others interested in bitcoin. Just don't expect to get rich mining, it won't happen. Unless you plan on going balls deep and even then it's a risky move.

I see so many people on this forum telling people not to get into mining because it's not worth it anymore. I call bullsh!t on that. Miners secure the network, even the little guys like us. We contribute.



GOPHuck your self brah. Not your place to judge, what if he owns the office?


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: j3steven on February 05, 2014, 01:52:47 AM
It's stealing no matter how you slice it. Banks have been doing it for years, corporations thrive on shorting the little guy on damn near everything and the govt has had it's hands in our pockets legally ever since the 16th amendment was passed.

Do it. It's fun and the worst case scenario is you end up not making any money and you are out $350 that won't even be worth $350 in two years.


Let's just say the difficulty levels back down, what sort of results could be assumed that a simple machine makes?  Again....rough guess, Im not searching for hopes and dreams of getting rich quick.
I tried to use a BTC Calculator and felt like an idiot...


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: Gopher09 on February 05, 2014, 01:55:17 AM
It's stealing no matter how you slice it. Banks have been doing it for years, corporations thrive on shorting the little guy on damn near everything and the govt has had it's hands in our pockets legally ever since the 16th amendment was passed.

Do it. It's fun and the worst case scenario is you end up not making any money and you are out $350 that won't even be worth $350 in two years.


Let's just say the difficulty levels back down, what sort of results could be assumed that a simple machine makes?  Again....rough guess, Im not searching for hopes and dreams of getting rich quick.
I tried to use a BTC Calculator and felt like an idiot...

Id say when the difficulty drops you could realistically make 10 to 15 bitcoins in that time really depends on the reset in difficulty


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: Jothand on February 05, 2014, 01:58:07 AM
Are you actually defending him stealing? Wow, as if his circumstance might somehow make it ok to steal??
You are also a scumbag.

I'm defending him, I'm not defending stealing. Big difference. What I was said is that you don't know his situation. You don't know that he is stealing electricity. It was quite obvious that his "sticking it to the man" quote was a joke.

Call me what you want, I'm not going to get into a flame war with you. You're nobody to me and I personally don't care what your opinion of me is. You're off topic. He wanted advice about buying a jalapeno. He wasn't asking if you thought he was a scumbag.

OP, there are mining calculators on the internet. You've probably used them already. It'll take you a very long time to get a bitcoin by mining with a jalapeno but don't worry about that. If you want to do it, and you can afford it, just do it.


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: krodmandoon on February 05, 2014, 01:59:37 AM
It's stealing no matter how you slice it. Banks have been doing it for years, corporations thrive on shorting the little guy on damn near everything and the govt has had it's hands in our pockets legally ever since the 16th amendment was passed.

Do it. It's fun and the worst case scenario is you end up not making any money and you are out $350 that won't even be worth $350 in two years.


Let's just say the difficulty levels back down, what sort of results could be assumed that a simple machine makes?  Again....rough guess, Im not searching for hopes and dreams of getting rich quick.
I tried to use a BTC Calculator and felt like an idiot...

We could say that but they won't. At 8gh/s you could expect an hourly return  ~70uBTC per hour (right now) I'm sure someone could chime in with more exact figures. The only way to really figure what you make is to just go for it.


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: j3steven on February 05, 2014, 02:09:45 AM
So i ran a quick calculation and it looks like that setup would return approx. 0.0023 BTC/day.....woot!  Its like i would have a machine to automatically run BTC faucets for me lol.  Whatever, sounds like pennies to some people, sounds interesting to me.

This could be a baby step into further investing into btc mining if i like it and understand it


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: Gopher09 on February 05, 2014, 02:11:43 AM
So i ran a quick calculation and it looks like that setup would return approx. 0.0023 BTC/day.....woot!  Its like i would have a machine to automatically run BTC faucets for me lol.  Whatever, sounds like pennies to some people, sounds interesting to me.

This could be a baby step into further investing into btc mining if i like it and understand it

Dude buy it ! Make bitcoins ! That is a GREAT deal buddy.


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: Gopher09 on February 05, 2014, 02:16:37 AM
Another newbie mining question.  

Is there a meaningful difference solo mining from a windows wallet vs. using setting up CGminer?  I've found tutorials on how to solo mine but none which go into detail about why it's important to set up CGminer.  Does hash rate improve dramatically?

Yes solo mine.
Definantly buy it for $350 that's a great deal.
And solo mine from a wallet.
The best thing about solo is when u solve a block you get all 25 bitcoins contained and don't have to share with a pool



Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: j3steven on February 05, 2014, 02:24:58 AM
Another newbie mining question.  

Is there a meaningful difference solo mining from a windows wallet vs. using setting up CGminer?  I've found tutorials on how to solo mine but none which go into detail about why it's important to set up CGminer.  Does hash rate improve dramatically?

Yes solo mine.
Definantly buy it for $350 that's a great deal.
And solo mine from a wallet.





I think you are mixing laserfocus's question and mine together.  You also edited your last comment I am quoting....you said with a 8 gh jaly it would take 2,300+ years to mine a whole block.  Again, i think you are mixing two questions together.


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: Gopher09 on February 05, 2014, 02:27:12 AM
Bro the jaly is totsly worth it I was thinking of a 33mhz USB miner .. Bit fury not jally my bad lol


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: krodmandoon on February 05, 2014, 02:32:11 AM
Another newbie mining question.  

Is there a meaningful difference solo mining from a windows wallet vs. using setting up CGminer?  I've found tutorials on how to solo mine but none which go into detail about why it's important to set up CGminer.  Does hash rate improve dramatically?

Yes solo mine.
Definantly buy it for $350 that's a great deal.
And solo mine from a wallet.





I think you are mixing laserfocus's question and mine together.  You also edited your last comment I am quoting....you said with a 8 gh jaly it would take 2,300+ years to mine a whole block.  Again, i think you are mixing two questions together.

He's not mixing anything up. He's just a douche prolly mining douchecoin on his laptop cpu. If you were to solomine you may never see a return especially when you take into account the ever increasing speed of the hardware out there. Contribute to a pool and you'll see a return, not much but you'll get a return. Also, if you ignore the gopher by clicking ignore near his avatar, you'll never have to bother with his useless contributions again.


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: James222 on February 05, 2014, 02:37:30 AM
For that price it's not a good deal in my opinion. Take a look at the Proxpero X1 (http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-1.html). It is currently on sale at 353$ with a 100 GH/S rate.


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: krodmandoon on February 05, 2014, 02:40:14 AM
For that price it's not a good deal in my opinion. Take a look at the Proxpero X1 (http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-1.html). It is currently on sale at 353$ with a 100 GH/S rate.

yeah but:
Minimum quantity for "Prospero X-1 (100Ghash/second)" is 10.
and:
This product will be available on 30 Apr 2014

Not exactly good.


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: j3steven on February 05, 2014, 12:21:06 PM
Thanks for the replies guys, I appreciate the help, and also showing how to Ignore someone on the forum too  ;)

I guess this a question where'd you need to know my PC basics, but assume it's an off-the-shelf tower, would it be feasible to use the Jalapeno and also add some other USB miners that I see on eBay too as a 2nd/3rd miner?  These obviously are at a much slower speed, best I saw was 1.6GH, so I guess my question is would adding these slow down the rate of the Jalapeno to the point where they wouldn't be worth it?  Could it just eventually burn out my PC too?



Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: krampus on February 05, 2014, 05:28:41 PM
To answer your questions directly:

Yes, the Jalapeņo is essentially plug and play. It plugs in via USB and you run a small app on your PC that communicates with the network.
No, you will not make back your $350, unless the price of Bitcoin goes up substantially.
Yes, 0.002BTC sounds about right, maybe less now that the difficulty just went up. Each Jalapeņo has a slightly different hash rate from the next, so it's hard to say.
No, you should not solo mine. You should join a pool (I like BTCGuild, but there are others).


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: saminer on August 07, 2014, 12:27:14 AM
The ignore link really works to weed out the annoying.


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: spazzdla on August 08, 2014, 01:01:52 PM
Go on Kijiji and buy an S1 or a R-box.

OR go to eyeboot.com and buy the R-box miner with powersupply for $60 that hashes at 35g/hash..


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: thebfldoctor on August 13, 2014, 06:34:52 AM
I bought 4 jalapeno's for 25 euros each what a steal.


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: Bitsaurus on August 13, 2014, 11:25:53 AM
I bought 4 jalapeno's for 25 euros each what a steal.


I would have sold you 300GH/s of BFL miners for that price if you paid for shipping  :P


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: johny08 on August 13, 2014, 11:39:09 AM
I bought 4 jalapeno's for 25 euros each what a steal.


I would have sold you 300GH/s of BFL miners for that price if you paid for shipping  :P

I would buy one for fun, when it would have integrated cgminer running with wlan support. its stil available new for $50 at butterflylabs hp.


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: Bitsaurus on August 13, 2014, 11:44:21 AM
I bought 4 jalapeno's for 25 euros each what a steal.


I would have sold you 300GH/s of BFL miners for that price if you paid for shipping  :P

I would buy one for fun, when it would have integrated cgminer running with wlan support. its stil available new for $50 at butterflylabs hp.

BFL is the worst of the currently "living" ASIC companies.  If you order a "new" miner it will ship after Two Weeks and come covered in dust because they've been mining with it since last year (it will be anything but "new").


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: johny08 on August 13, 2014, 05:44:36 PM
I bought 4 jalapeno's for 25 euros each what a steal.


I would have sold you 300GH/s of BFL miners for that price if you paid for shipping  :P

I would buy one for fun, when it would have integrated cgminer running with wlan support. its stil available new for $50 at butterflylabs hp.

BFL is the worst of the currently "living" ASIC companies.  If you order a "new" miner it will ship after Two Weeks and come covered in dust because they've been mining with it since last year (it will be anything but "new").

hahah yeah probably. they keep their miners in stock, what means, its 'living' stock. i would say its not the worst, because they actually had always a product.


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: Bitsaurus on August 13, 2014, 06:55:07 PM
I bought 4 jalapeno's for 25 euros each what a steal.


I would have sold you 300GH/s of BFL miners for that price if you paid for shipping  :P

I would buy one for fun, when it would have integrated cgminer running with wlan support. its stil available new for $50 at butterflylabs hp.

BFL is the worst of the currently "living" ASIC companies.  If you order a "new" miner it will ship after Two Weeks and come covered in dust because they've been mining with it since last year (it will be anything but "new").

hahah yeah probably. they keep their miners in stock, what means, its 'living' stock. i would say its not the worst, because they actually had always a product.

Well that is why I put the qualifier of currently living.  Other ASIC companies have gone died taking their customer funds with them like bASIC and Hashfast.  But at least with those you know you're not getting anything back and can move on without aniticipating some future outcome.

Look at what BFL does stringing previous customers who should have hardware delivered in 2012 - they are stringing them out towards 2015!!!  Some people expected 65nm ASICs in October 2012, realized it wasn't going to make anything delivered late 2013 and unfortunately BFL said they would ship the newer Monarchs late last year.  It's now August 2014 - almost 2 year circle for some people!!!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=372316.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=372316.0)


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: crowetic on August 13, 2014, 08:40:22 PM
Are you actually defending him stealing? Wow, as if his circumstance might somehow make it ok to steal??
You are also a scumbag.

What are my thoughts ?
You will never make 350$ back with jalepeno , and stealing electricity from a business , and or taxpayers in the case you work for the government just makes you a fucking scumbag.
Even if you work for a bank , who is in fact the man, your still a scumbag for stealing.

Wow, some people here are real assholes.

Ain't that the truth. Gopher09 has no idea who OP is or what OPs personal situation is.

OP, if you want to buy the jalapeno, and you can afford to spend the money, my opinion is to do it. Buy it, plug it in, watch it chug away. You seem like you want to get into mining and I think you should. Get into it. Get your feet wet and have fun. Learn all you can about mining and the bitcoin network. Earn some bitcoin and then spend it. Give it away. Buy some, sell some, save some, get active in the bitcoin community. Talk to your friends about it. Talk to your family about it. Spread the word. Get others interested in bitcoin. Just don't expect to get rich mining, it won't happen. Unless you plan on going balls deep and even then it's a risky move.

I see so many people on this forum telling people not to get into mining because it's not worth it anymore. I call bullsh!t on that. Miners secure the network, even the little guys like us. We contribute.



he could have a scenario like I do at work, in which the business pays a flat fee to rent the space, and doesn't pay any extra for power, therefore technically I would not be stealing from anyone, as the power is free. Yes, I know someone has to pay for it, but if it was that big of a deal then they wouldn't offer free power to their renters. Just saying.


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: muhrohmat on February 01, 2015, 08:55:48 AM
well as we see it the miners in hardware jsut stay good for only one year top soo japaleno its now like god only if like 30 of it lol its amasing the diff rise and the need for new hardware not even porsperos are good now.


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: alh on February 02, 2015, 04:43:11 AM
While I think a 32GH Rbox would have been a better choice (less money, less power), a Jalapeno will do just fine as an introductory Bitcoin miner. Certainly better than a GPU mining rig.

Have fun, but don't expect to get rich, or even break even.


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: cshelswell on February 03, 2015, 07:51:09 AM
Wow isn't this a bit of an old thread to be bringing up?


Title: Re: Beginner Hobby Miner w/ Jalapeno
Post by: cryptopaddles on February 07, 2015, 06:17:59 AM
Wow isn't this a bit of an old thread to be bringing up?
A 1 year old post in the bitcoin world damn near qualifies as ancient!