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Title: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: mmitech on February 10, 2014, 05:52:07 PM
the last few weeks have been insane with the amount of trolls, so many new accounts with user activity <50  trolling all over the place on all boards, it is not a matter of only trolling but threads are full of spam, I get it you can share your point of view and without censorship, this is cool, but when you start repeating the same thing over and all over again for 10-20 pages you are just spamming and you bring the value of the discussion down and it becomes really disturbing.

Mods, Admins and Theymos please apply the noob restriction again to help prevent these trolls, they can still bitch as much as they want in the newbie section.... 


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: Lauda on February 10, 2014, 08:01:33 PM
This is actually a good suggestion. The forum is being flooded with new trolls and spam coins/posts and so on.


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: Lethn on February 10, 2014, 08:05:07 PM
I don't know what else we can do about them to be honest, I don't care about trolls but I think the spammers are starting to target old threads now too.


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: Lauda on February 10, 2014, 08:24:43 PM
I don't know what else we can do about them to be honest, I don't care about trolls but I think the spammers are starting to target old threads now too.
Minimum activity to post 100?  :D


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: mmitech on February 10, 2014, 08:31:18 PM
I don't know what else we can do about them to be honest, I don't care about trolls but I think the spammers are starting to target old threads now too.
Minimum activity to post 100?  :D

that is a bit harsh though, I would say 8 hours logged in and > 50  activity ? I know that we will be limiting legitimate members from posting questions or adding value to threads but something similar would really help limit the shills and trolls and spammers...


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: hilariousandco on February 10, 2014, 09:06:42 PM
I don't know what else we can do about them to be honest, I don't care about trolls but I think the spammers are starting to target old threads now too.
Minimum activity to post 100?  :D

that is a bit harsh though, I would say 8 hours logged in and > 50  activity ? I know that we will be limiting legitimate members from posting questions or adding value to threads but something similar would really help limit the shills and trolls and spammers...

I think the newbie jail was a good idea for various reasons. I'd be in favour of it coming back with the same or similar rules as before.


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: Lauda on February 10, 2014, 09:14:59 PM
I don't know what else we can do about them to be honest, I don't care about trolls but I think the spammers are starting to target old threads now too.
Minimum activity to post 100?  :D

that is a bit harsh though, I would say 8 hours logged in and > 50  activity ? I know that we will be limiting legitimate members from posting questions or adding value to threads but something similar would really help limit the shills and trolls and spammers...
Increase the time between posts at first to 10 minutes. You can't really make a quality response in a thread that has a few pages in less time than that.


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: TheButterZone on February 11, 2014, 02:33:37 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423995.0;all


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: BadBear on February 11, 2014, 02:46:35 AM
It has really lowered the barrier to entry for everyone. Unfortunately that includes spammers and trolls. There's one guy in alt currencies who is constantly spamming about his stupid coin, I ban him, remove the thread/endless bumps/whatever and literally 5 minutes later he's back at it on a new account. 


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: Lethn on February 11, 2014, 09:38:24 AM
I think just reverting back to the old newbie rules is probably best because they kept the majority of the lazy spammers and bots away, the only other solution I can think of is making this site like a private torrent site but that isn't really realistic if you want to keep it public and let anyone join.


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: justusranvier on February 11, 2014, 03:17:45 PM
Without the restrictions, you get things like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459801.0


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: nezarkadhem on February 11, 2014, 05:04:11 PM
I have to admit that the newbie restriction was annoying at first, but it makes sense. You can't just post senseless crap right away. However, for you to get rid of the noob status, you need to post. So the new users just leave useless junk, such as "+1", just to get more activity points.


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: hilariousandco on February 11, 2014, 05:15:01 PM
I have to admit that the newbie restriction was annoying at first, but it makes sense. You can't just post senseless crap right away. However, for you to get rid of the noob status, you need to post. So the new users just leave useless junk, such as "+1", just to get more activity points.

The number of posts doesn't matter with regard to activity.


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: Lauda on February 11, 2014, 05:29:41 PM
Without the restrictions, you get things like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459801.0
Exactly. Either bring it back completely, or just add some sort of restriction and we're good to go.


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: BawsyBoss on February 11, 2014, 06:54:09 PM
I have to admit that the newbie restriction was annoying at first, but it makes sense. You can't just post senseless crap right away. However, for you to get rid of the noob status, you need to post. So the new users just leave useless junk, such as "+1", just to get more activity points.

The number of posts doesn't matter with regard to activity.
Yes, it does. If your post count is less than the activity you would otherwise have, your post count becomes your activity.


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: Kouye on February 11, 2014, 10:14:09 PM
I bet Proudhon is behind the DDOS attack  ;D

Confirmed, of course.

Another example.


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: Lauda on February 11, 2014, 10:24:33 PM
Another good example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4994.msg5088092#msg5088092
Necro'd a thread from 2012..

If it gets removed this is the thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4994.0


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: Maged on February 11, 2014, 10:36:50 PM
Another good example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4994.msg5088092#msg5088092
Necro'd a thread from 2012..

If it gets removed this is the thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4994.0
Thanks!


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: Lauda on February 11, 2014, 10:59:44 PM
Thanks!
Since you're part of staff, I might ask you this here.
If we ran a poll on adding newbie restrictions back, would theymos go with it?


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: tysat on February 11, 2014, 11:11:41 PM
Thanks!
Since you're part of staff, I might ask you this here.
If we ran a poll on adding newbie restrictions back, would theymos go with it?

I doubt the poll would have an effect either way, he's just going to make up his mind then do what he thinks is best.


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: Lauda on February 11, 2014, 11:15:27 PM
I doubt the poll would have an effect either way, he's just going to make up his mind then do what he thinks is best.
So the community does not have much effect on the decision?


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: tysat on February 11, 2014, 11:29:48 PM
I doubt the poll would have an effect either way, he's just going to make up his mind then do what he thinks is best.
So the community does not have much effect on the decision?

It doesn't seem that way


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: Lauda on February 11, 2014, 11:35:49 PM
It doesn't seem that way
That's unfortunate. I and  (some) older members (or ones who have quite a high understanding of the bitcoin protocl) are getting tired of those posts. I can only imagine the amount of work that the moderators have to do now..


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: Maged on February 11, 2014, 11:39:34 PM
Thanks!
Since you're part of staff, I might ask you this here.
If we ran a poll on adding newbie restrictions back, would theymos go with it?
Theymos doesn't listen to polls, he only listens to logic. If you can convince him that no additional changes can be made to our tools to solve the problem and that restoring the restrictions is the only way, I'm certain that he will listen.


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: Lauda on February 11, 2014, 11:46:25 PM
Theymos doesn't listen to polls, he only listens to logic. If you can convince him that no additional changes can be made to our tools to solve the problem and that restoring the restrictions is the only way, I'm certain that he will listen.
Hopefully someone more experienced will do the talk. The easiest path would be restoring the restrictions and (maybe) even make the requirements higher. Although there could be a better way to approach this.


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: Mitchell on February 11, 2014, 11:52:24 PM
I haven't been here for a long time (7 months to be exact) and I am just a regular user. I don't have a fancy product nor trust to show off with and I am getting tired of all those spammy, FUD spreading and just annoying topics all day, every day. It ruins BitcoinTalk for me and I really don't feel like going through multiple pages just to find a few (or just one) interesting topic.

Putting back the Newbie Restrictions would be a way of at least decreasing the amount of spam and bullshit the forum has to endure every single day.


Title: Re: Noob restriction, Theymos and mods we need this back
Post by: nezarkadhem on February 13, 2014, 09:48:09 AM
I have to admit that the newbie restriction was annoying at first, but it makes sense. You can't just post senseless crap right away. However, for you to get rid of the noob status, you need to post. So the new users just leave useless junk, such as "+1", just to get more activity points.

The number of posts doesn't matter with regard to activity.
Yes, it does. If your post count is less than the activity you would otherwise have, your post count becomes your activity.
You are both wrong. It's min(14*time, posts) so if time spent on the site is less than the number of posts, then it counts the time. Vise versa. Nonetheless, people will post junk, so the newbie feature is pretty awesome.