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I have always awaited for my first merit point since my promotion to Jr. Member to become Member, but two months passed, my first merit point did not came.  I see some people getting merit for silly posts, and I was so eager to see my first merit point that I ended up doing one silly mistake, that is, asking a legendary member to "donate me my first merit", in hope of my first merit.  If not then at least a warning that it is bad thing and/or suggestion or guidance from such pioneer in this forum, but I got a negative Trust Point.  I requested to reverse it to no effect.  I later came to know that asking someone for merit is prohibited.

There is no other option but to admit it was my mistake.  This is my only BT account and the negative trust made me very upset and I don't know how it can be reversed.  I have never intended to spam or spammed or even given wrong suggestion to anybody but I HAVE TO LIVE IN BITCOINTALK WITH RED NEGATIVE TRUST STATUS.  I am not worried about my bounties either but that Red Trust status.  Its a bullshit.  So people, never make the mistake I made.  You may have spent many hours to establish a reputation of your BT account but with single mistake it can all be gone.  I have learned my lesson.

You see, you would have known that had you been anything other than a bounty hunter who doesn't really care about discussion here.  It's been talked about endlessly that merit begging is frowned upon, especially via PM.  The last thread I posted in about that was only within the last 3 days I think.  There's no excuse that you didn't know that your action would result in a negative.

In addition, your warning is going to be ineffective.  Why?  Because, just like you, people who beg for merit tend not to read anything in Meta and won't see it.  You yourself would have missed such a warning--in fact, you DID miss everything that would have warned you not to beg for merits.  It's your fault, so own up to it.

First of all this thread should be moved to "Reputation"

You should have read the rules before you started posting anything in the forum. It is forbidden to ask for merits or to buy/sell merits.

Actually you can continue making posts and contributing to the different threads of this forum. If you are going to strive to be a good person in the forum and are going to follow the rules of the forum then you have a chance to petition OgNasty to remove the feedback.

Do not attempt to PM them right away about it because you will get ignored. But do not let the red trust stop you from posting meaningful and helpful content in the forum. You might actually get some merits in due course as well. After that you can ask for a review.

However it all depends on the person who gave you negative trust. If they feel that the rating will be left forever then it will be so. Nobody can help that.

Funny you say that:


And good luck with getting your neg tag removed, because it is not gonna get removed. Begging for merit is prohibited.

OgNasty is a bully, I know that after I looked at owlcatz negative ratings left on him by this bully for speaking against him. wtf man? instead of finding meritale posts of somebody who has PMed you and help them in ranking up you just hand out negative trust? people don't have anywhere to look and ask for merits, so they might directly ask merit sources if they haven't got any merits yet.
Asking for merits is not prohibited, begging for merits is. did you beg or did you ask nicely?

Regardless of you not knowing this, as a literate and an english-speaker, you should've encountered the word "Merit" by now. Have you not wondered about the definition of it?

"""
merit
[mer-it]
noun
claim to respect and praise; excellence; worth.
something that deserves or justifies a reward or commendation; a commendable quality, act, etc.:
"""

highlighted the word "respect" since merits, just like respect, should be earned and not given.

OgNasty is a long time btctalk contributer. He does a lot of good here.

I know that but he is also a bully, being a DT member and tag somebody for something pity such as asking for some merits is simply bullying, he was the one asking to be a source and he should at least have the tolerance for things like this. we all know that "contributors" get free pass here for everything they do, but my problem is mostly with his red tagging the other people.

I may be not the one to talk about this since I have so little experience in the forum. But here  I go!

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1. Do not ever ask for merits!! Do not try to creep from technical loop holes like "Oh man, Only begging for merits is banned, I did not begged, I just asked!" No It is not okay, Yes I know, sometimes We are pretty desperate when some "valuable posts" (The value of a post totally depends on the individual perspective!! Noobs like us tend to think after posting something that it worths some merit, but actually It is utter bullshit in the eyes of a more experienced user!) do not get rewarded and go deep under in the spamming mega threads where no one notices ever! BUT ASKING FOR MERIT IS STILL NOT OKAY!!!

2. About the negative trust, It can only be removed by the member who assigned it, Therefore contact him. Do not spam him, I thing he would remove the negative trust if he thinks that you have learnt the lesson. I have heard so much about the member ognasty and his attitude towards the forum, He must have done this out of the pure intention of making a spam free forum.

3. I have 3 sMerits left, but since this thread has been created solely in the idea of seeking attention from senior members with sMerits i am not gonna bother to look at your posts history.

Note:
Do not ask for merit, The surprise, Joy you get after seeing some of your posts have been merited is priceless.!!

You got that part right, you are not in a position to have any opinion on this matter or similar cases, maybe you don't know it but let me explain it to you. merit distribution is manual because we were supposed to stop account farmers, but there are too many accounts already registered so the only thing merit helped to stop is preventing more account farming. somebody who asks for a few merits is not going to farm accounts with it, therefore tagging them to show them as if they are scammers is not right.
OP could be a newbie with no experience, instead of tagging them with red, tell them to stop asking for merits or just tell them to fuck off, telling them to fuck off would require less effort than leaving a negative feedback. if you are a merit source and don't want to be bothered with these situations, ask somebody else to take your place.

And you're not in the position to tell people what they should and what they shouldn't do.

OgNasty being an asshole does not excuse the OP being a shitposting merit beggar. There is certainly no obligation for anyone to start looking for meritable posts upon receiving a PM from a beggar.

BTW neither asking nor begging for merits is officially against the rules otherwise the OP would be banned. It is frowned upon and everyone is dealing with it the way they see fit.

I am neither a bully or an asshole. :)

Lol, then please give the OP another chance, he/she has learned the lesson obviously. how can we learn forgiveness if people like you don't have the habit of forgiving?

We forgive, we just don't forget - hence the tag.

If you correctly wrote, then why not give the person who realized his mistake a chance?
P.S. Everyone is prone to make mistakes - but not everyone knows how to admit their mistake and go ahead!

You guys are naive.  How do you know he learned his lesson, and is not just posting so?

Keeping the tag on there, forcing him/her to change their actions, is much better for them than just ignoring it and letting them do it again.

I would say "if" in the future OP can show a proven history of change, then they can reach out to OG to request a review. Until then it's no different than when I used to tell the principal I'd stop blowing off classes or some other stupid behavior of the sort.

For now suck it up and improve.

Hey guess what asshole, that user has just as much "right" to post their opinion as you, me or theymos.  The fact that you want to shove your view of what is allowed or not shows how much a biased backwards fool you are.  

You think you fucking know everything but in reality you look like a trolling moron without any ability to process information logically.

I admit its my mistake, and I also justify my mistake that often new members are prone to make this mistake because there are so many sub-forums and sub-sub-forums but that way they will learn, what's allowed and what's not.  To grow as a good "Bitcointalkers" is a process, not every new member enters into BT with learning of all rules.  They will make mistakes and learn and realize, but those who wants to improve and admits their mistake and admit would not repeat, should be encouraged.  They should be punished and also rewarded, but should not be let him live his whole life in bitcointalk with "red warning" status.

If I am here for only bounty then I would have made another BT account, and its just a Jr. member level, which can be achieved in just two weeks.  But I am here to be part of community, learn from community who is here since 2011, and grow with community with my original identity.  And also I would like to request the seniors in the forum to not treat all new members like bounty hunters many of them are here to be a part of community, and the new and fresh energy they can bring can be quite useful too.

My text was "can you please donate me merit point" with apology in advance that if sending PM disturbs you.  I don't fully blame him for negative trust, its my mistake too not going through the rules, but if you punish them for their mistake which they admits and left to live the rest of life with negative trust status, how will the new member will grow?  The bounty hunter who don't care about the community will make another account or can even buy account, but those who came to be part of community will be left discouraged.


Thanks.  You are a newbie but much more mature than me and may be some seniors here in BT forum and the merits you've earned is very much deserved.  I am pretty much raw than you to this forum.  I am not expecting any merits for this but suggestions and guidance which you are much clearer even being a newbie.  If I was able to I would merit this.  thanks for you suggestion, appreciated.
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Are you sure a newbie is all around the forums and know everything. I understand your problem, but this forum doesnt have forgiveness except few DT Members.
Next time don't do such things and look for genuine work as this forum admin never look to members what they want.

In my opinion, members with Legendary and so status are like parents/teacher to the newcomers to the forum.  So, if one of your child/student did cheat on exam and once caught he admits to not repeat it, you won't let him wear "thief/cheater" tag in red color and tell him to wear it for the rest of the grades so that we and others can know you are a "thief/cheater".  Would you?  No.. na? then why me tagged as spammer with red highlight?  Isn't there other option.  If my intent is solely to achieve merits only then I would open another account, its just a junior member level that I can achieve within a month.  So old school of thoughts needs to be updated.  This does not improve new raw members who is here to join the community.  Bounty hunters will simply jump into another account and avoid these conditions.


Not all newbies but there are who are talent and genuine, and IMO the level status does not reflect the person's true intelligence.  Not to forget, these newbies are constantly bringing new thoughts and ideas to the forum, refreshness.  Also, more and more newbies that means many are joining the forum and more and more are are adopting and interested in blockchain and bitcoin and joining the community.  Many of them will come as Bounty Hunter, because free money attracts them to here, but that will increase their exposure to cryptocurrency.  The more people exposure to cyrptocurrency, more benefit to the industry.  IMO, we are not the state of filtering out but instead we need to welcome more and more newbies and that is what my expectation from senior legendary hero members, not to restrict them but to increase their exposure and welcoming them.

Apparently, you haven't learned your lesson... as it appears you still haven't read the forum rules (or you simply don't care to follow them)... ::)


I suggest you try reading this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

Then read it again... and continue to do so until you have a good understanding of the entire contents of that post.


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okay.. thanks everyone for their valuable time.  I came up with one suggestion/idea (again someone will come up with, "you read the rule first, suggestions not allowed here.." hehe).. Nevermind.  I came up with one idea or suggestion that if there is "Merit" system then why cannot be there "De-merit" system also?  What I mean is people who involved or trying to beg/ask for "Merit Points", etc, will be "de-merited" with negative or (minus) "Merit points".  He/she should aggregate that minus or de-merit points with positive merit points.

I came with this idea because many newcomers who learned about merit will try to increase their merit points and many of them will try to beg/ask for merit, but this action should not tag them throughout their bitcointalk life with spammer with negative trust in red color because there is no such attempted spamming.  So, de-merited them would be fair punishment.  Red color negative trust is too harsh for those who are new and coming here to explore new things and looking to grow in cryptospace with community.

Also, I would suggest legendary merit generator not to only distribute the merit points to those who will write goods things for your post or liked your advertised products but also to those newcomers who are trying to earn some merits with good posts.  There are many who distributes fairly to newcomers with good posts also, I really appreciate those.

At last, who you are supporting for WC Final, Croatia or France. I am with Croatia because they have good teamwork and this is their first ever Worldcup final (please don't come up with comments, "you cannot include WC things in your post, its against rule".. :) hehe).  Thanks for your time.

The merit system is meant as a reward system. The idea is to not be punitive but to allow ranking up and the associated benefits to come from improving or providing quality to the forum.


These newcomers should continue on learning beyond just that the system exists and who to ask for them.  ::)
The red trust also is only punitive if you are here to solely make money off the forum, Red trust in no way limits you from learning or engaging with the community. Like I previously stated, given enough time and proof of learning from the experience the member that issued that trust may consider removing it or changing it to neutral. If they do not that's their decision and again just part of the forum environment members need to learn to work within


Merit "generators" or anyone with Smerit can give the merit how they see fit. I would say they do a decent job of getting them out there. Just don't expect every post you make to earn Merit. I don't think that there are many users that are only meriting posts that promote their projects or that are brownnosing.

If a newcomer can write something even a well worded useful question they will get the merit needed.

Thanks.. I would try to earn cancellation of negative trust, but people are saying the one who gave me negative trust would never consider removing negative trust.  He/she will stick to his/her decision.  The fact is that red negative trust tag I have got irritates me.  I may have some unprofessional inappropriate words and immature behavior, but I am not a spammer.  I was just trying things around here but not to spam anybody.  I feel like I have been jailed.  I am not an avid bounty hunter too.  The signature campaign is something that keeps encourage you to interact and contribute in your early days in forum, which I think is not bad because it attracts new people into cryptocurrency and eventually they will learn something about cryptos which they may spread into their own community.  The main thing we need today is more people participating into crypto-related things so that they can eventually learn about cryptocurrency procedure.  Vast majority of people did not know even what is ETH wallet and how it works and how to create it.  With their participation in bounties, they will at least learn about these which they will spread into their own community.


Sadly, I admit these types of post would not let me earn merit but I am not brownnosing. Unfortunately, ppl got rewarded merit for good things said, like his sixth sense told him that something good is happening (not stats or any useful information) to a coin that is virtually dead and has avg 24-hour volume of less than $100k.  I don't want to be person specific but you can search for these types of examples and see how merits are distributed.  These things encourage newcomers to ask for merits.  If you want to I can send you evidence on PM.

No need for you to type "[quote ]" under the message tag that initiates the quote
Remove the last "[/quote ]" from your previous post.

this will take your text out of the quote.

Honestly I'm no longer concerned with how others earn there merits or distribute them. I like that people point out blatant abuse of the system or merit trading. Unless there is a blatant example of that I don't care.

Perhaps those random posts were of value to the "meriters"


If receiving a payment is the only thing encouraging someone to be active on the forum; they are not good for the forum.

You also seem to think that "red tag" == spammer. While this can happen on occasion... most spammers are dealt with via the "Report to moderator" link on messages which will eventually see the spammer banned if they continue.

You got a "red tag" for merit begging via PM... it even says so in the Trust comment left by OgNasty:

I don't see how anyone can think this is for "spamming".

it becomes big lesson and some people suffer from it . i hope there will be a better way to promote posts and earn merit easier than now.

MY ANSWER



Do I need to post more ??  They all says negative trust means scammer.

I found this and I really appreciate that who unknowingly have posted even scam ICO promotions and was tagged will get a second change.  This will give one more chance not to post scam ICO promotion.  Unfortunately, DT/man who is responsible for my negative trust is resistant to my public apology as well apology in DM, otherwise I would have got some words.  Do I deserve that kind of treatment from my negative trust tagger that I could not hear anything from him even after my public apology as well as DM apology for my one silly mistake to ask for Merit.  I really appreciate that Marlboroza came up with his own guidelines.

Those posts are from 5 years ago... A LOT has changed within the Bitcointalk community since those guidelines were first posted.

Altcoins/ICOs and all the associated ad campaigns were not a thing... And merit was only implemented just over 6 months ago.

Currently, the only tool available for those attempting to keep the spammers, scammers and other undesirables at bay is the "Trust" system. It is far from perfect, but it's what we have.

The title of the thread says you have learned your lesson, but your personal text says you haven't....  :/

That only means that the ego is still there. I may consider his statement here a forced one. He was forced to say that he is accepting  his  mistake and thinking that ognasty might pitty him and will remove the tag.

As i quote " Words is cheap, Actions  prove why words mean nothing </3"

I think i might just look at your text instead since it is much pretty classic.

Fighting against trust abuse and corruption is a lost cause in this forum, people like OgNasty have been abusing the trust system for years and seems nobody is man enough to stop them.

I have honestly admitted in public that it was mistake asking for merit.  Now I have to admit myself as a "spammer" too..  If admitting my mistake and also apologizing for asking merit is not enough and also should admit myself as a spammer too then I will never learn this lesson.  My intention here is not spamming and to forcefully admit what I am not is "crime to self".  I would rather accept more negative trusts than to admit myself as spammer.... cheers..  

OgNasty made a right decision, this is a good disciplinary action, while still young you need cut the horns right away. because if this spammer got a chance to explore more this spammer would be added to the people that they call it "cancer in this forum". :)

wow... what a great statement to introduce yourself what you are.  I am laughing thinking what might be your baboy facial expression writing this post, big red eyes with anger with nostril flared up and grinding the teeth.. ha ha.. you're a hell lot of funny guy to post in this thread.  oops.. you have already earn merit point too... **suspicious** ??? :-\

We are not telling you to admit that you are a spammer tho. As per your text you are also trying to say it in public.

If you are not really spamming then there is no point for you to have that text because obviously we can see it right from your posts. Also mind that people may have different opinions

So thats why we must be prepare for anythings... for any caoutions that happen we never khow exactly what would happen, but sometimes with some preperation we can do some preventation

If one does not read this thread to the end, it will look like the negative trust should have been removed on grounds of forgiveness. But it goes to show that you don't and wouldn't learn.

A red tag is not a death sentence. It is just to call your attention to a wrongdoing. You have the opportunity to appeal, sincerely, to the person who tagged you. If the person evaluates your sincerity, he/ she will remove the red tag. From the posts so far, you seem to be playing to the gallery.

You are even aggravating the situation.