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Bitcointalk trolls, internal dysfunction and all out flame wars. Guide to the scandals.
Alternative title: Strays, catfights and hissing competitions.

I’ve considered writing this earlier. It is with some reluctance that I write this. I do not want to re-open old wounds or getting inadvertently involved. It is written from a neutral perspective so that an outsider understands it. I decided to go ahead after  Pugman published a list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4637905.msg42064355#msg42064355) and then  encouraged me to write an article about it. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4637905.msg42447244#msg42447244)

Corrections, additions and comments welcome.

Knightmb (Michael Brown)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4547124.0
knightmb on bitcointalk -went from owning 371,067.36 BTC to being jailed for Mitt Romney extortion.
Involved with bitcoin early on. One of bitcoins largest whales. Obtained the bitcoin in curious circumstancesv

Pirateat40 (Trendon Shavers)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4464504.0
Bitcoin Savings and Trust and Pirateat40 on Bitcointalk (PONZI)
More that 146,000 bitcoins were collected.

silkroad & altoid (Ross Ulbricht)
Silkroad and Altoid were both accounts tied to Ross Ulbricht and subject to a DOJ subpoena
Silkroad Founder jailed for running a darkweb drug market
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4437773.0

MagicalTux (Mark Karpeles)
Founder of hacked exchange MtGox,
Police suspect in Silkroad (never proven)
Hosted the bitcointalk on his servers and reviewed the code after the first bitcointalk hack.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4412667.0  (Mt Gox story)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4405796.0 (Bitcointalk hacks and vandalism)

WME (Alexander Vinnik)
Bitcointalk user WME was identified as Vinnick when he made this post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85977.msg1037908#msg1037908
http://archive.is/6cFcY
Other online activities by the same user account are alledged to link it to the hack on MtGox.
Investigations by Wizsec, a group of bitcoin security specialists, had identified Vinnik as the owner of the wallets into which the stolen bitcoins had been transferred, many of which were sold on BTC-e.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4412667.0

Cablepair (Tom)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=79637.msg1157524#msg1157524
Cablepair took a lot of orders for the bASIC miner and when the BTC priced spiked he started paying back USD valued refunds. More mining issues here: Mining equipment scams, shams and failed deliveries. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4698074.msg42403092#msg42403092)

escrow.ms (Pankaj Bharadwaj)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1359877.msg13840774#msg13840774
Following a report in the India Times Escrow.ms got removed from the DT list.
The arrest was for credit card cloning and then converting it to bitcoin to launder and distribute the stolen funds.

Master-p
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306301.msg13376914#msg13376914
Master-p scamming people – When Escrow goes bad.

Goat / El Cabron  (Chaang Noi)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622250.0;all
VIP accounts can change their username. Goat renamed his account El Cabron.
Goat attacking theymos
Goat versus the forum administrator.... check out the cool signature....
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622250.msg7030081#msg7030081

https://i.imgur.com/68aMbOT.png

https://i.imgur.com/cGiqrWT.png

Banned since June 5 2014

Cyber pinoy V Gleb Gamow
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990219.0;topicseen Cyberpinoy going after Gleb Gamow because Gleb caught him  using a sockpuppet to shill his company.
Only half of the conversation remains. The rest was deleted by Cyberpinoy
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012713.5

aTriz
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2751956.0
aTriz being naive and providing his signature to a scam

The exchange between aTriz and ibminer explains it.



Zeroxal and the blackmail sting operation
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.msg17624090#msg17624090
the Zeroxal case divided some of the community.
Shorena and OgNasty gave negative trust to the DTs involved.

theymos stance on extortion/blackmail by staff (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1761133.0)
Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0)

Lauda tried to get a confession using a sting operation from user Zeroxal who “was not able or willing to explain double evasion of forum ban, advertising of counterfeit goods, selling botnet/cloud mining packages.” according to

This resulted in Lauda leaving as a staff member of this forum.

   Zeroxal  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=508748) is still and active member of the forum.

https://i.imgur.com/bjffcMm.png

https://i.imgur.com/y1gSiyd.png
https://i.imgur.com/N3WjtSY.png

After this relations between Lauda, TMAN and Owlcatz soured against OgNasty and QuickSeller

Ognasty V Lauda

https://i.imgur.com/aZgyNFY.png


Vod v Ognasty

https://i.imgur.com/YXxUaR9.png

https://i.imgur.com/kw7IEPJ.png

One of the few long lasting feuds /  flame wars that didn't get resolved during the recent "forgiveness and reconcilliation".


TMAN V OgNasty
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1946142.0

I’m not the only one that remained confused after reading that.
https://i.imgur.com/T4k9VH8.png

[POLL] Should OgNasty be removed as a forum treasurer? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2043715.0)
should Og Be Removed from DT1 [POLL] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2214058.0)

Owlcatz V OgNasty
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3157259.0

https://i.imgur.com/TAWGRDs.png
https://i.imgur.com/RPMTnQN.png
https://i.imgur.com/DYf7GVX.png
https://i.imgur.com/NjdhrrZ.png

TwitchySeal V Ognasty
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2214058.msg31139998#msg31139998T
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2834153.msg30944546#msg30944546
TwichySeal made the followning accusation:

Ognasty replied

Timelord2067 V  Tomatocage
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183087.msg12461192#msg12461192
Timelord2067 accusing Tomatocage of being random people

https://i.imgur.com/zuW4Q3V.png

OgNasty V Lupin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1589940.msg15966476#msg15966476
OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself."

Quickseller escrowing for himself
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171059.msg12330041#msg12330041
Quickseller was caught escrowing for himself and admitted it.
Resulting in a whole lot of negative trust.

https://i.imgur.com/acHYKOt.png

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171059.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1174622.0

Tradefortress offers to pay QuickSeller (QS) to sue Vod
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1179238.msg12406935#msg12406935]
TradeFortress was the founder of hacked wallet provider inputs.io and coinlenders. (4000btc)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=328053.0



Quicksellers list of users that condone violence
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1614573.0;topicseen
Likely as a reaction to the ongoing feud it shows the dynamics between some of the long-term members on here.

people calling Vod a pedophile vod
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1248407.msg12962871#msg12962871

This is essentially due to a false and malicious report made about Vod on the ripoffreport. The website is owned by Ed Magedson who makes it particularly difficult for process servers to find him. While he claims not to remove anything from his website. He will remove it for a ongoing fee. The ripoff report is currently in serious trouble in several jurisdictions.

In March 2017, the Italian Data Protection Authority affirmed that Ripoff Report's activities — namely, Ed Magedson's requests for money to edit web pages — are illegal in Italy. The Italian authorities also noticed that Ripoff Report's web servers are occasionally not reachable from Italy in order to evade controls by the authorities themselves. Besides, they noticed that some web pages — which were being investigated by the authorities — were deleted out of the blue by the website owner, despite the claim that Ripoff Report does not remove reports.

A federal court stated that victims have "probable cause to sue for extortion and racketeering". http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripoff_Report

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/the-real-rip-off-report-6445677
http://drjaniceduffy.com/2017/05/ed-magedson-ripoff-report-darren-meade-sued-for-60-million/
http://drjaniceduffy.com/2017/05/ed-magedson-ripoff-report-darren-meade-obstruction-of-justice/

Quote from: ibminer on June 21, 2018, 11:08:41 AM

According to ripoffreport, you sent them information and content that should not be relied upon... and the accuracy of the information you sent them relies on anonymous authors and commenters.  ???

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3. ONLINE CONTENT

Opinions, advice, statements, offers, or other information or content made available through Ripoff Report are those of their respective authors and not of Xcentric, and should not necessarily be relied upon. Such authors are solely responsible for the accuracy of such content.

Xcentric does not guarantee the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information on Ripoff Report and neither adopts nor endorses nor is responsible for the accuracy or reliability of any opinion, advice or statement made. Under no circumstances will Xcentric be responsible for any loss or damage resulting from anyone's reliance on information or other content posted on Ripoff Report.

https://www.ripoffreport.com/terms-of-service

Repeating false accusations without proof can result in defamation proceedings.

Lauda & Tman v The Russians

With the introduction of DT voting there was concern that the Russian forum (second largest language forum after English) were strategically voting to get their representatives into DT1
This led to a number of prominent Russian accounts being distrusted by a number of prominent DT accounts.
Theymos put Tman on his distrust list and soon afterwards sent the email below to the DTs about Lauda.
Eventually some of the dispute with the Russians was resolved and a number of trustworthy Russians are now members of DT1 and DT2.
Some others are still excluded.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099822.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099978.0

Theymos V Lauda
A number of events culminated to a disagreement between Theymos and Lauda.
Lauda advocating for more pro-active tagging of scammers to prevent scams. At the risk of accounts being unfairly tagged.
Theymos having a more of a wait and see approach, forgiveness and reconciliation approach at the risk of people getting scammed.

Theymos and Lauda both wrote to most of the DTs to express their views.
https://i.imgur.com/lPSYs3Z.png

digaran - The DT investigator:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3779450.0
digaran Started a thread called ” Re: Hire me to defend your case for 0.01BTC! “
Which is now changed to:  Voluntary service to defend your case!

Digaran attempted to assist people in getting their negative default trust removed – initially for a fee with no guarantees. This resulted in a longstanding feud between digaran and certain Default Trust members that resulted in lots of red negative feedback for digaran and in constant posts by digaran complaining about Trust abuse.

This resulted in a lot of negative trust:

https://i.imgur.com/xGtJYVn.png

This resulted in lots of posts and accusations:

Vod trolling me with red tag! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4457684.0)
Marlboroza changed email address after getting on DT2! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?/topic=4447626.msg39747649#msg39747649)
OgNasty is misusing the trust system for personal gains! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4694278.0)
Do not trust suchmoon, a blatant trust abuser. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3853171.40)
Marlboroza is abusing DT power! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4006863.0)

Quote from: suchmoon on July 18, 2018, 08:39:21 PM

Please don't ban digaran. He'd be back with 500 accounts trying to prove how unfair the ban is.

Flat Earth topic:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1009045.0
This is a long running topic and people have received negative trust for expressing their opinions on there.

Prominent flat earthers include:

notbatman  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=244104)
nomad13666 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=105110)

BFL staff posting negative feedback on Theymos:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4736673.msg42793771#msg42793771
(Details further in this thread)

Spoetnik - FUD Philanthropist™
FUD first & ask questions later™

Spoetnik (self proclaimed FUD Philanthropist) clearly likes to troll and some of his topics and posts can be amusing.

[P2P] Ever Wanted to Ask a Pirate Questions ?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1289771.msg13251832#msg13251832

 [TRIVIA] Who's worse GOX or Spoetnik ?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1959687.msg19469329#msg19469329

Quote from: Spoetnik on March 06, 2018, 08:00:18 AM

Noob.. you are an idiot.
Read the fucking sticky topic here about the rules.
Notice anything that mentions SPECULATION ?

Further more why would anyone give a shit about the scam coin anyway ?

I have never had anything to do with ETH nor will i so why would i give a shit about the price of it ?

Quote from: Spoetnik on April 09, 2018, 07:03:05 AM

https://www.neowin.net/news/cryptocurrencies-have-been-banned-in-pakistan

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The State Bank of Pakistan has issued a circular on its website banning the usage of any virtual currency. Banks will not be able to allow customers any transaction in the form of cryptocurrencies.

 :D

Drown losers..

Dishonerable mentions:

Quote from: xtraelv on July 18, 2018, 01:56:16 AM

Quote from: The Pharmacist on July 18, 2018, 01:18:31 AM

 I've seen a handful of members here in the past 3 years get banned for trolling (I think).Mixan, fwdxlsh, and that girl who kept writing that she has a thigh gap....or maybe that was fwdxlsh, can't remember.  MPOE-PR was another, right around the time I started lurking.

There was another member, with the handle of Oxoo10 or something similar who was trolling hard.

codishmumu had the thigh gap. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1540539.msg15484527#msg15484527

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1203093.5

https://i.imgur.com/ORRosR5.png

Thank you to Pugman who provided extensive source material which I could expand on. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4637905.msg42064355#msg42064355)
Thank you to The Pharmacist for some of the troll history.

Just when people think it ends here:

I have got more, bitches:

BFL staff(Pokokohua! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=90768)) spamming random crap in theymos and dogie's trust walls, there is another user involved: MelMan2002 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=31023)

theymos received 83 negative ratings:

https://i.imgur.com/BDl3MB4.png

And dogie received 85 negative ratings:

https://i.imgur.com/XDRQY0S.png

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I still can't stop laughing on these ratings, you got to hand it to him.   ;D

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Anduck and Vod's case: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4415201.msg39316856#msg39316856

Quickseller's list of users who condone violence: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1614573.0;topicseen

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There are cases that I don't want to post or even talk about, and just let them be as is, because its really not worth looking. Evil has taken over this forum in such bad form, that I don't even want to continue reading on it. I spent 2 hours reading trust walls on people and its not good. DT members have done so much to at least keep the forum from sinking into the ocean of scams. People have been scammed from 1 cent to 4 million dollars(at least). So, for those who think that this place is just a fucking forum to earn money, get the fuck out of here. Its really sad to see the things that people do for money. 

I gathered around a lot of links, don't know if I should post them or not. Explaining them would take hours.

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@xtraelv, for the cases mentioned in the OP, there are way more links, for example: A lot of people have called Vod a pedophile(including QS), and I believe there are threads about Gleb suing Cyber pinoy(?)  etc

Overall, for those who don't know much or anything about this: Don't do anything for money. Don't scam people. Just don't. Make your momma proud, at least.  ;)

And as the world turns, so do the days of our lives.

Speaking of Bitcointalk trolls, most members will admit that they missed the Legendary kwukduck (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=654/). Its a continues love hate relationship between Bitcointalk and kwukduck, that sometimes when you read his post, it will give you a good chuckle.  ;D

OP, you should mention notbatman  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=244104) and nomad13666 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=105110). People should know that dumbfucks Flat Earthers exist in bitcointalk.

And also BADecker (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=149737), for he believes that rocks are better than gay people. You can't prove him wrong, can you now?

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Mentally ill troll: isoneguy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=109362)

Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2163283.msg21663616#msg21663616

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Another user: Mixan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=195206)

Threatening to Dox others and very short-tempered. Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1743036.0;all and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1743036.msg18103081#msg18103081

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You should also mention that Spoetnik is obsessed with child porn.

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How have you not alia and her big con attempt? Refer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032057.msg31186468#msg31186468

Just be happy that these two trolls rarely crawl out from under the OT and P&S bridges!!!  My brain hurts at times from these two users.

notbatman gave me some neg trust, because I agreed with Vod once, fortunately the feedback is as irrelevant as notbatman himself!

Hey I'm not a troll, I will remember your name for the future when I post a thread about merit whores I will include your name to return the favor, just wait. ;)

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Look, the above is trolling. I'd appreciate what you have done, posting this here might help theymos to wake up and see that some DT members are really abusing the trust system.
Trolling would be like going after a trusted member for doing completely nothing wrong, complaining about the actions of allegedly trusted individuals is not trolling.

This one made me smile.  ;D When I was doing the OgNasty V _____ part I kept thinking of the old streetfighter arcade game "Round one....FIGHT !".



You might notice that the word troll has not been mentioned by me when your name was mentioned. It also was strategically placed near to the bottom so it wasn't inadvertently associated with any financial dishonesty.  I'd rate it more as dysfunction / flame war / feuding. I could run it as a poll....?

As for whoring for merit. Honestly it wasn't me. Sex for merit? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4457400.msg39902362#msg39902362) ;) (Nothing to see here)

But if you do write about it I would gladly link to it on this page as long as you provide a balanced story completely in my favor and don't post any photos of me in my mankini from the Bondage, Discipline, Sadism and Merit website.

How about the Ann bumping thread scandal?

ICO SPAMMERS EXPOSED --> NEW SELF-MODERATED THREAD (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2502431.0). A lot of accounts get caught in this expose including Legendary/Hero/Senior members. It was like a big fuss that time because of members giving up their alt account, just to get paid. lol.

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And the latest, WaffleMaster vs Jeremypwr drama war: jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, campaign mismanagement & scam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4795083.0)

This was about him promoting a scam ICO and lying about them knowingly; the signature and alia thing were different.


P.S. I had seen the flat-earth thread; always thought it was a mega-troll thread and had never ventured in it...

Just ran into this morsel of drama:  Default trust, accusations of murder, libel, it's got it all.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=858730.0

A brave attempt at analyzing a huge subject.

No reference to trolls on BCT would be complete without a mention of NotLambChop (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=263109;sa=showPosts) in his various guises.



As for surreal threads, who could forget the Woodcollector Saga (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.0)?

Thumbs up for this thread, have to bookmark this ;D


Sadly he's not active anymore, it's really a joy to read his funny thoughts on how bitcoin will end badly, influence others to panic sell and invest on altcoins.

I'm sure that the guy is around, maybe in some other form or guise. Yeah, probably 2017 was the best year we have seen him carrying out his attacks or shall we shall his love of Bitcoin. Lmao. ;D. But all we know that once he open his mouth, bitcoin suddenly moves on the opposite direction.

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As for the Atriz drama, Confession - Zapo=aTriz. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5043497.0)

I started wondering what could be the new aliases for all those legendary members that have been banned in the past.
I'm sure "Goat" or later "El Cabron" could not resist to make a comeback with new account (and is that also banned and an other comeback etc)

Well if they will make a comeback then war is still on. The details shows that this is a great war between legends. Ill just wait what will happen next to this. If the other side has accepted their defeat then will be alright then, but for sure there will be another users that will evolve from being good to become a black sheep of the forum for some reasons.

That is a interesting thought. They would have to abandon some of the previous mannerisms and style. It would be easy to identify them otherwise.

I know some of the members that were tainted by controversy made comebacks with alt accounts. Their style and mannerisms usually give their identity away though.

Hmm, it appears ripoffreport has been de-indexed, at least in Canada.  :)

Can anyone else verify if they still see that garbage report when they search "martin lawrence edmonton"?

Lol, I just saw this post. Look mom I'm on TV! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1307926)

Terrible terrible memories though, that drama dragged on for weeks, while I did receive my funds back and tried to help others get them back, when I think back on it I may have done a few other things differently for the sake of other users.  

If anything I hope people never forget that scandal, and learn a moral : Regardless of how trusted someone might look, everyone has a price.

[quote author=xtraelv link=topic=4736673.msg42776661#msg42776661 date=1532423202]

[size=12pt]Tomatocage V  Timelord2067[/size]
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183087.msg12461192#msg12461192
Timelord2067 accusing Tomatocage of being random people

[img width=400]https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob58d18832bb48ad3f.png[/img]

[/quote]

Actually, you have it around the wrong way - I called out Tomatocage's self escrowing (which most people here seem to have turned a blind eye to).  Here is a full archive [1 (https://web.archive.org/web/20160130000026/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183087.0;all)], [2 (https://web.archive.org/web/20190607022326/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183087.0;all)] of the thread concerned.  As you can see by the image xtraelv posts, I make not such claim so I call him out on that falsehood...

TomatoCage made the above claim that s/he'd given a fictitious alt red trust, however when I called him out on it (conveniently xtraelv has managed to forget to include that post, so here it is:

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blobe0b1cc1c856598ea.jpeg

) the same hour I posted that tomatocage did a runner and then hasn't been online since except for a couple of brief logins before today's suspicious post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5151630.0).

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As to your list, you'll have to add your own name for lashing out at me in the various Cryptopia related threads and then turning around and giving me negative trust setting distrust.

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Time to lock this thread.

Think the following covers it:



It is not intended to represent every angle or every issue. Readers are encouraged to make their own conclusions.

I wrote this 24 July 2018 so your beef with me has nothing to do with it.

It appears that the Tomatocage account has been compromised since the dispute:

https://i.imgur.com/cEBjtGD.png


Timelord2067 V  Timelord2067 talking to himself

1) You are on my trust list as untrusted - because I don't trust you. The reason I don't trust you is on your reputation thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105851.msg49797331#msg49797331
In addition to the reasons stated in your reputation thread - You have personally attacked me on a number of occasions and encouraged others to put me on their distrust list. You appeared to defend the actions of a stolen account here. Or you are trolling me in the thread with at least three posts where I am trying to expose a hacker / account thief / stolen account buyer (https://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5111636.msg49814311) Either action I deem to be untrustworthy and probably deserves a red tag.
I seriously think you are a victim of the Dunning-Kruger Effect which is why I haven't tagged you yet. You have been trying to bully me into removing you from my distrust list which simply will never happen now. You are even being dishonest about the reason why you are on my distrust list.

2) The OP (Bitcointalk trolls) was written last year when your name was relatively unknown to me. Your name was put forward by others. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4637905.msg42064355#msg42064355) I know now why. If any of this had been based on people that I have disputes with there would be a few names much higher and significant on the list than yours.

3) You try to bait me and I usually ignore you - so it is not really a flame war. The reality is that you usually make personal attacks that are rarely even remotely backed up by evidence and your claims are sometimes so bizarre that they are not worthy of a response.  You are an insignificant bully (that loves claiming to be the victim) and I cannot be bothered to engage most of the time.

"Never get in a shit fight with a pig. You both get covered in shit. The difference being - the pig loves it"

4) I won't lock the thread because it is a work in progress. However - I will report off topic posts.

5) GFY

Yes I've been made aware that you have cited that post multiple times as the reason that I and I alone could have prevented the 100+ alt coin attacks on Cryptopia last year and the multi million dollar hack of Cryptopia this year.

I've also been made aware of the shall we say pressure to have me removed from the SexCoin community (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1272422.0) such as placing Lavajumper on your distrust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-01_Sat_14.47h/94331.html) until such time as I am removed. I'm sure @theymos has brought out edits concerning that kind of behavior.


Interesting narrative, but not true.  I merely asked you to take your discussion back to the main Cryptopia thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.0) as the thread you had posted in was for online articles related to the hack on Cryptopia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5097916.0).  You also posted seven times in a row, then I asked you to stop posting off-topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5097916.msg49466208#msg49466208).


So you just posted what you were told to. Interesting deflection.

Archived (https://web.archive.org/web/20190608092424/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4736673.20)


Perhaps you can show where I said, insinuated or implied  "that you and you alone could have prevented the 100+ alt coin attacks on Cryptopia[/b] last year and the multi million dollar hack of Cryptopia this year"


I hold you responsible for what happened with sexcoin. I think that is reasonable since you are a Dev of sexcoin.

I've never said or implied that you are responsible for anything else. This just demonstrates that you are spreading more lies.



Again. Another lie. I have not spoken to anyone from the sexcoin community and lavajumper is another developer of sexcoin. I hold lavajumper equally responsible.
I require you to produce proof that I attempted to have you removed. You cannot because it is another lie you made up.

Note: This is not even a trust rating. It is just that you do not show on my trust list. I don't trust either of you for the reasons I provided. Unlike yourself I have not placed any trust rating on you.

You'd be on the "sad idiot list" if there was one.



You were attacking my character well before that post. Stop lying and take responsibility for the fact that you tried to taint my character while knowing that some of the things you were deliberately saying are a lie.

Perhaps you can have a look at the dates that you posted these. It makes you a proven liar. You try to imply several things without actually saying it.

How do you consolidate this ?








I clearly stated that there was no official representation from Cryptopia on bitcointalk. I made it extremely clear that I was not authorised to say anything on behalf of them and that I was just helping out people in my personal capacity - I am not and have never been an employee there. Yet at times you tried to imply that it was otherwise and that Ben - a Cryptopia employee - was my "lapdog".

It makes you a pathetic liar. Like I said before I don't think you have the ability to recognize your own incompetence and misconduct.

You still have not replied to the questions asked about the sexcoin hacks in your reputation thread since February.

You'll be disappointed to learn that Lafu PM'ed me and demanded I change what I had originally written to read what you quoted.  Perhaps after you've had a wank you should confer with Lafu.  Where is "Ben" btw? - We've noticed he's gone AWL since Cryptopia went officially into liquidation...   ::)

Speaking of PM'ing, send me a PM some time as this barb of yours is not on topic and we wouldn't want to have a misunderstanding about off-topic posts now would we?   ::)

Are you saying that  Timelord2067 V  Timelord2067 talking to himself is off topic ?

I think it is indicative of what generally is going on. In my opinion you are someone with far too much time and few real friends that is unable to recognize his own toxicity.

I would say that Lafu is hurt from the Crypto he lost while you still try to attack his character. That often knocks the wind out of people.

But it is another lie from you. He has been keeping users informed about the liquidation in the German forum which is his native tongue.

See - typical lack of facts based accusations on your part. It is the story of the majority of your conflicts on here.

PM is pointless. Until you admit your lies which I have clearly outlined I have nothing to say to you in private. You are on my PM blocked list so I won't receive anything anyway.

Anything else is just a distraction.

EDIT:


Timelord2067  Please move your off topic post elsewhere. As it has been reported and I will not answer it here.

I've answered your bullshit here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105851.msg49797331#msg49797331

[quote author=xtraelv link=topic=4736673.msg51392865#msg51392865 date=1559988262]
I hold you responsible for what happened with sexcoin. I think that is reasonable since you are a Dev of sexcoin.
[/quote]

But Why?  You're not associated with Cryptopia.  You say that time and time again.

Out of all the 100+ alt coins that were hacked on Cryptopia last year, why do you hold Lavajumper and myself in such dismal regard that you have attacked us so?  You haven't given any other Devs or their supporters distrust on the DT trust settings, so cowering behind you hold us responsible means you have a vendetta against us.

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I've just had a look at your own trust wall, you've called people you disagree with criminals

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blobbe43f98fa0379600.jpeg

and you've just in the last couple of days given one user Red Trust simply because they deleted your post (poor you)

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blobcc490a9099c39795.jpeg

You've even given someone negative trust wall simply because they were friends of someone else you don't like:

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob059572df146e57fd.jpeg

I thought @theymos was trying to put a stop to these petty trust wall outbursts?

Thanks for the laugh.

Yeh, It was worth a shot.  I don't see trying to continue this discussion is going to get anywhere - I've extended the Olive Branch of friendship to xtraelv and he's slapped it back in my face so I've been thinking of putting him on ignore for a little while, but then again he'd more than likely then try to Martyr himself saying he'd tried to communicate and that it was me who was ignoring him. QED.

It's like those sad threads I stumble over every once-in-a-while where some person who was once held in high regards started to disintegrate before our eyes and then they went from being on the DT to simply starting rambling threads to beat dead horses with hearsay and supposition.  Eventually they result to alts.  I can't recall the name - I don't really take much notice of those threads, but it's kind of creepy that xtraelv would have started a thread perpetuating issues that have come and gone in the past wanting to drag them over long dead coals again and again.

Can't quite put my finger on it - it reminds me of something, or someone, but I can't quite recall what it is...

Not to worry, I posted my request to correct the incorrect text used by the OP - it's on the record now.  I see hours and even days later the OP is modifying his previous posts (ie rewriting history on the fly).  

Nothing more needs to be said.

Haven't.you forgotten the random troll:

alia, who caused nullius to have brain malfunction and ended up quiting.

😂  Or is it just a list troll in the Reputation Section? ???

I'm unfamiliar with that troll. Maybe you can write about it and I'll link to the post (or tell me about it and I'll write about it) .

If I have left significant people out I'm happy to include them but I won't document every dispute on here. Just significant ones.

Nullius quitting is a significant event but I thought it was TOR connections and over privacy issues ?

Nice to know you think I'm significant. <3 <3 <3

Yes you are. Some of the things you do benefit the forum. Some of the things you do I disagree with.
I believe overall your intent is not malicious and you have a passion for crypto and the bitcoin forum.

That was quite an amusing interlude on the forum, but I doubt whether it was all quite as simple as that.

Hey xtraelv, maybe you can add also the following (more recent) scandals. Some of them have funny quotes; some are serious though.

1. wolwoo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1003533) vs. Dalton gang (meaning Merit Cycling Club) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209881.msg53356638#msg53356638

Memorable quote:
https://i.ibb.co/M5fLwm0/6YwSouP.jpg

2. wolwoo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1003533) vs. BitcoinTalk - BitcoinTalk.org is DEATH - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214462.0

3. Timelord2067 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131361) vs. Foxpup (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=55384) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219781.0

Memorable quotes:

4. marlboroza (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=787736) vs. Timelord2067 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131361) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5218451.0

Memorable quote:

5. The-Devil (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2726750) going from hero (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215097.msg53538429#msg53538429) to zero (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215242.0)
The-Devil was nominated (and banned later) in the "Newbie of the Year 2019" contest, held by DireWolfM14. About same days, Nandini_crypto observed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215242.0) that TMAN gave 50 merits to The-Devil in a thread where The-Devil was expressing his joy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215242.0) about his first rank up. The 50 merit transaction raised many questions about this "newbie" and the situation escalated quickly to the point where it was proved that The-Devil was plagiarizing (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2726750), but also that he is in fact a fake newbie which was posting questions in the forum from his alt accounts and he was responding to the respective questions from his The-Devil account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215242.msg53538254#msg53538254).

The-Devil at first played the innocent; then he became ridiculous when he took a typing speed test (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215242.msg53549812#msg53549812) to prove how fast he is (thus he was able to answer within seconds to the questions posted from his alt accounts). In the end, he tried to lose the heat put on him by opening new threads, trying to move forum's attention on other subjects, such as accusing PrimeNumber7 of being QuickSeller's alt account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5216961.0) or accusing marlboroza, morvillz7z and Quickseller for abusing their powers (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215876.0#quickreply).

Memorable quotes:

^ 2 corrections

#1 and #2 is maybe 10% of "what and how" it happened. There are, I don't know, 3-4 threads in reputation and 7-8 threads in meta and dozen posts in some other topics which resulted with these 2 topics. "more recent" is not so recent as you might think, you will have to go back to 2017. first  ;)  :-X

#5 post you linked as reference for plagiarism is actually (maybe) for different user. The-Devil is not banned.

Also correction here, alia is scammer. She tried to sell "winning gambling script" for IIRC $10K, and theymos exposed her as alt account of some scammer. Alia denied it and said it is her younger brother's account(google alia's profile and follow links).

Hey marlboroza, with all due respect - and I truly respect you! (afterall you're close to the gang I'm trying hard to be a part of, including by bribing Foxpup with wine or with my wife lol) - I didn't mention anything about alia (although I know her story)... Why mentiong her? I'm confused...

Also, about The-Devil being banned, I ment he was banned from the contest "Newbie of the Year", not from the forum... Pls read again what I wrote :) The ban mention was related to the contest. He appears there with strikethrough font which, I presume, means he is denied (banned) from the contest.

And about wolvoo's problem due to being on the dark side of Force, I didn't know indeed that his "history with Palpatine" goes back to 2017. I just wanted to highlight to xtraelv some of the most recent scandals. Of course, if he decides to add them, he can add also the earlier history. Afterall he is the most known historian here :)

Oh, yes, sorry about this, I misunderstood you. Plagiarism part still links (maybe) different user.
I know you didn't, that's why I quoted cabalism13 and replied to their post.
It is not really his history(I think), but certain events which happened in the past escalated in the present, together with some other events...and the next thing you know, you get someone ranting around forum "gangs, war...".

Hey marlboroza, I'm glad we agree :) It's Saturday evening (night) here and I'm full of fine wine from my father in-law (as you saw on Foxpup's topic :) ). I'll come back tomorrow with the correct plagiarism link of The-Devil (it's still there and you know it; my bad if I posted the wrong link :) ).

Regarding wolvoo opposing The Great Gang: resistence is futile, as the Borg told to Picard :) The Dark Side will never win against the White Side and no gang can be  defeated by one man, especially when Foxpup runs it!

Edit: I updated the plagiarizing link with a link directing to the flag against The-Devil, where 3 users (including you) mentioned his ban evasion and plagiarism. All three references mentioned by these 3 users (Lauda, morvillz and you) point to the same thread opened by nandini_crypto, mentioned by me as well. Two references point to the first page of the topic, while morvillz' is a bit more precise, pointing to the third page. My link was pointing to the fifth page of the topic and maybe was a bit inacurate, but the plagiarism is right there in that topic.

xtraelv, can you add OG vs Vod to the OP?  It's good practice that future users know how many people OG accused of being a liar, a pedophile, etc.  I added some links to my signature to help people realize OG calls everyone these things when they expose him.   I am not the bad guy here.

(You could also capture his negative trust... he has FIVE against me now)

I've added it to the list. It is probably very symilar to the rest of the issues some members have with OG.

It is a pity that it wasn't resolved in the last round of forgiveness and reconciliation.  I was pleased to see that the war with QS has stopped.

Xtraelv, can you add "VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=915823.0)" to the list please? Considering his abuse documented in this thread spans 5 years, this seems like a worthy inclusion. Thanks!

But then we'd also have to list the hundreds of threads where you drink and start posting insults for no reason - for almost ten years now.  :/

Honestly, do you have Tourette's?

Where is the theymos vs. Lauda ordeal from 2019? That was semi-private but still quite the scandal. :P

He also didn't provide a link for OG vs Lauda in my signature.  :(

What about that time you stole a bunch of coins from the people you were serving as escrow for? That was a pretty big deal.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4895354.0

https://i.imgur.com/xxr2ZPi.png

Troll elsewhere with lies.

Only one irrefutable liar here ....that is you lauda

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5231720.0

As to flaming wars full of trolls and scammers the dirty turds thread created by very useful member is clearly  the largest and best. The entire list of documented scammers on dt and their supporters arguments and excuses crushed by just one member.

This xrtraelv was clearly demonstrated to be a keen troll and pathetic excuse provider and supporter of scammers.
Then went crying to red trust for being humiliated and his feeble ever changing excuses smashed one by one.

Who would trust that scammer supporter to compile a list of anything? Well apart from scammers and scammer supporters they would certainly trust him.

Start reading here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5170789.msg53001936#msg53001936

What a thrashing the scammer supporting troll xtraelv took there.
Far surpassing SS thrashing when he tried to defend the scamming of lauda and had to resort to changing the meaning of words to their opposite in the very same thread. Suffering from extract of lemon syndrome perhaps the time.

Still there is strong case for the op to be king of his own dyslexia dysfunction troll thread. I would support his claim to fame.

Actually many funny flame wars i shall post here. Great thread.

OK COOMER

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/031/081/coomer.png

Thanks for more evidence of your sad attempts to shield yourself with a manufactured persona by pretending you are down with chanculture. The OK BOOMER meme is totally mainstream now, and everyone knows baby Yoda is for normies. As far as your theft, the thread speaks for itself.

Accusation is the exact opposite of the truth:  Extremely dishonest.

Here is what happened:

• ICOs are bad.  I have always said so, to the point of having a reputation for saying so.
  
  
  Quote from: YuTü.Co.in on February 28, 2018, 05:20:48 PM
  CoinNullius is a military-grade cryptocurrency with 100% anonymity consisting of just one coin cuz there's nothing else like it. Its blockchain is secretly hidden on the Net accessible by ONLY one person in the galaxy whose true identity is unknown. There will be no ICO in distributing fractions of CNUS cuz ICOs are bad, mmmkay.
  
  
  Quote from: nullius on February 25, 2018, 11:38:06 PM
  I have an easier solution:  Don’t ever do “KYC”.  Avoid anything and everything which requires it. [...]
  
  Oh—you said “ICO”.  Well, those are scams which should be avoided, regardless.
  
  
  Quote from: nullius on February 26, 2018, 05:49:52 AM
  Paint Bitcoin with guilt-by-association in the media—how often do you see “Bitcoin” and “ICO” mentioned in the same breath, discussed in the same article, when they are not even remotely related?
• This one used escrow.  Thank escrow that investors got back approximately 55% of their money, in accord with the upfront escrow terms.  That figure would almost certainly have been exactly 0% without escrow.  ← Nobody said this in mid-2018, and “nobody (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=976210)” was not here to say the obvious.
• Over a relatively short period of time from start to finish, too short for 2017–18-era dollar inflation to make a significant difference in this context, investors actually recovered a higher dollar value than they put in.  Sure, they lost about 45% of their BTC; but in purchase-power terms, thanks to, thanks only to the protection of escrow, investors actually came out slightly better than break-even on that horrible clusterfork of a horrid ICO.  Thank you, escrow.
• For escrow, it was a nightmare worst-case scenario:  One party, the ICOers, spectacularly imploding in incompetence and mutual recriminations within the dev team, plus executive theft of the internal database, etc.  The other party, the investors, understandably being... extremely concerned.  Four-figure BTC on the line.  Forum politicians and garden-variety trolls with ulterior motives taking an opportunity to grind an axe against Lauda—specifically Lauda, even though there were four persons doing this huge escrow together.
  
  This is the case in which escrow discovers that they inadvertently agreed to handle ☢ radioactive, ☣ biohazardous (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237225.0) toxic waste. 😿
  
  Escrow handled it with military precision, brushed aside distractions, and worked hard to untangle the mess so as to get investors as much money back ASAP as there was remaining, per upfront escrow terms.

I hope that investors learned to listen to Nullius about ICOs.

I also hope that somebody said, Thank you, Lauda.  (—and minerjones, and Blazed, and coinpayments; but it was Lauda who got picked on and is getting picked on here, so I will pick on her, too.)

Escrow did their job; and it is reprehensible for anybody to blame escrow, the neutral third party who provided the protection that they had promised, instead of the people who pitched an ICO with grandiose promises, took a huge chunk of the money at the milestones agreed to in advance, and then promptly delivered nothing but yet another wretched ICO-meltdown drama.

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What, did the anti-Lauda crowd expect for Lauda to use witchcraft (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2975479.0) to return 100%, or even 1000% of the money to investors?

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Amazingly, the NVO thread is still ongoing—and nemgun is still trying to rationalize this (!):

Quote from: nemgun on March 18, 2020, 12:50:33 AM

Quote from: cocoadreamboy on March 17, 2020, 03:31:46 PM

SCAM

your opinion

Boldface added:

Quote from: cocoadreamboy on March 19, 2020, 12:14:44 AM

not my opinion. If you say you will do something and take peoples money to do it, but it ends up being a coke fueled nonsense party with NOTHING to show for the creditors except 50% of their money back. THAT is a scam. Over the course of NVO you burnt through nearly 10 million dollars WITH NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT. That is the definition of scam.

Thank god for Lauda, and the escrow system on bitcointalk. If that didn't exist it would be even more of a scam. You all should be ashamed of your actions. It is obvious your theft left you with little life satisfaction and happiness, so it was all for nothing.

The 2017 craziness in the market was created because we all fell in love with crypto and the possibilities, but you and TON and whats his face did your part to ruin the possibilities and the optimism. All the ICO's did. I don't know what kind of weird shit you guys are in or strange people you hang out with, but I would trade no amount of money to live in your heads. Or your lives. Hungry ghosts.

Everyone gets what they deserve. If only for being human. Harm gets you harm. Good gets you good. What do you think you deserve?

Shame on you.

Wow.  Somebody did thank (god for) Lauda and the other escrows.  I am now a tiny bit less cynical than I was a few minutes ago.

[starts drama]
[immediately blames me for starting drama]

I didn’t know he was going to default. I knew what everyone else knew and you are a piece of shit to pretend otherwise. You make up numbers with no knowledge of what occurred and spread it like a disease on this community. Unfortunately, unlike your friends and family, this community can’t just abandon you to your own miserable life. We have to put up with your bullshit and lies until you grace us with your departure.

“What everybody else” knew straight from the first day:

Post #2 in pirateat40’s original announcement thread:
Merited by nullius (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=976210) (1)

Promoting Pirate’s Ponzi, and especially basing other investment instruments on it, showed at best extremely poor judgment at the level of at best gross negligence.  I say that, making for the purposes of this post all the most favourable assumptions about you (and ignoring everything else discussed in years of other threads).  Anybody with even an ounce of common sense could have seen that something looked wrong here:

Original topic title: Looking for lenders
Original text, quoted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50822.msg607752#msg607752) and elsewhere:

In substantial effect, pirateat40 was essentially claiming to have an extraordinarily large opportunity for arbitrage between the market he was making for his alleged shadowy clientele, and other markets.  If I had such an unusual opportunity, I can think of all sorts of ways to handle it.  They do not include seeking “lenders” on an Internet forum with upfront promises of a return of “1% per day”.  None of it made sense, except as a just-so story for pumping a scam.

I need not remark on what types of persons would hypothetically pay such a high price for Bitcoin on a regular basis, and could afford to keep doing so—and what the potential implications of that may be, if pirate’s story had been anything other than cover for his scam.

And I say that as somebody who took about a 30% hit on his very first Bitcoin purchases (not upfront—a repeated string of market losses), due to wanting absolutely anonymous Bitcoin just on principle!

So as for “what everyone else knew”.  Nobody had any excuse for being surprised, when it turned out to be “the largest scam in bitcoin history (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trendon_Shavers)”.

OP here:

I've included that now. Theymos v Lauda

I've also included the Russian dispute.

I try to be neutral with the topic regardless of my personal opinion. But if you feel that it misrepresents what happened. Please let me know.

Your description seems right and including both PMs was the correct way to do it. Thank you!

Strange how this thread leads to lauda being lauded as a brilliant secret agent and OG is now a scammer and liar?
Hmmm

How about real flame wars where huge and important things took place not just idiots arguing over nothing?


OG should take time to evaluate nullius excuses for his friend laudas lying and scamming by claiming he was on the launch of darkcoin and therefore could say there was no premine. When multiple members called it from the start and it was clearly confirmed by many that examined the released code and block explorer. Confirmed agsin with dev team offering compensation air drop after serious criticism lauda tried to stop and resist. Lauda for months (while he had bags of that coin) shouted down those telling the truth of the premine. Lying he was on the launch and saying he could ceryainly say there was no premine.

Nullius is there excusing lauda or trying to saying that once lauda dumped his bags and admitted it was a premined scam ? Nullius says well lauda just changed his mind lol


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5231720.0

LOL what a double standards filthy wretch and moron nullius is. He thinks lauda is female so is sniffing around hoping for some mercy shag or something diry old perv. Did he not get caught out going after young females on this forum before?

So there was clear evidence of premine and undeniable proof that it happened but lauda can lie and say he was on the launch so can say there was no premine to unload his bags?
Somehow though nullius wants OG held to far higher standards?? Og had no irrefutable evidence and told no lies but should have known better so should be punished now ?  

Using this thread to paint one side white and drag OG through the mud on a different set of standards is bogus.

You don't appear to be neutral picking and choosing which drama threads to add. The thread is distinctively lacking in threads critical of Vod even though he is probably long term the biggest source of drama from any single user on the forum. Of course you have no problem complying with his requests to add threads to bring attention to threads he wants attention on.

So many drama threads to read... Hmmm thanks buddy, although this was posted a long time ago, but sorry I have missed it, this will indeed kill my time and help me ease my boredom during this lockdown. LOL.

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I think you should also make a request too ✌😂 come on, let us have some more.

I already did, but I guess 5 years of drama doesn't qualify.

You can always start your own competing list of drama threads and list whatever you want.

Unless you're trying to stir some "TECSHARE vs xtraelv" drama here, in which case you've got ways to go.

Sure, but he is making claims that he is being neutral with what he adds, it seems rather that he is selectively adding them. If he wants to pick sides that's fine, just stop pretending to be neutral.

There is no intent to include every drama or even a complete analysis of every drama.

If I write more about certain people I will be accused of giving them more "airtime" - If I write less I will be accused of selectively adding people.

TECSHARE you are not really in a neutral position to judge what is neurtal.

Something that is "written from a neutral perspective" cannot ever be completely neutral . I'm also not an expert on anthropology.

The intent of this thread is to provide people who are not familiar with the forum dramas a small glimpse or insight of what the drama is about.

It is up to the reader to investigate further if the want to know more detail. I believe I have included most prominent disputes.

I think it's far more likely that your own opinion about Vod and/or his dramas is biased. At any rate, this is xtraelv's thread and it's his effort that makes it worth reading. I think it would be quite boring if he started doing some sort of affirmative action - one thread from this "side", one thread from another "side"...

How can it be worth reading if it paints a one sided and misleading picture of the forum?

One only has to start reading here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5170789.msg52938521#msg52938521

To immediately notice this is a nasty little scammer supporter that is now trying to whitewash these untrustworthy  members whilst painting a very negative view of their critics under the guise of a

Yes be very boring to have a balanced and correct view of how things really are says suchmoon.
Suchmoon says it goes beyond boring actually, and presenting things how they really are can be trolling and wothy of a ban

Actually this link
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5170789.msg52938521#msg52938521

Should be listed as a huge troll be xtraelv on the OP. I have never seen consecutive crazy excuses like this to defend proven scamming presented in such a hilarious way. It is the definitive guide on how not to defend your scamming pals.

Please put that link in the OP.

thanks.

I love the xtralv policeman scene is is a brilliant and accurate summary  of xtraelvs  excuses and demonstrates how one sided this idiot is.

It must be frustrating that you have to make multiple sockpuppet accounts in order to bypass peoples "ignore list" . Yet considered insignificant and not even get a mention on a troll list. Ultimate fail. Cannot even make it as a troll.
 

Hello there,

Well as usual your stupidity becomes immediately apparent.
Your statement makes zero sense.
If you wish to believe that i am Toaa? Or ch? (there exists no conclusive  evidence of this anywhere ) then i must already have won the troll poll.
The king of the trolls ( trolls are whistle blowers apparently that provide irrefutable evidence of financially motivated wrongdoing by DT members in that poll)

Besides you miss the point
This thread

Starting there for several pages

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5170789.msg52938521#msg52938521

Demonstrates you are clearly the troll (providing false and ridiculous excuses after ridiculous excuses as true) and scammer supporter  retarded excuse provider.

Add yourself to your first post you deserve to be there.
You were likely trolling  since nobody would jump from moronic impossible excuse to the next in public like that.
I have never witnessed such a hilarious display of reckless desperate stupidity.

Hope that cleared this up for you.

suchmoon talking about bias is hilarious. She trusts Vod’s ratings ever after he gave me negative trust for putting on a fundraiser for a dying forum member... Talk about bias and horrible judgement.

Yep, magically the comment about him being a pretender was reported and removed. Funny how it is always the critical posts that are reported.

Someone must have reported it. I wouldn't. It is still visible here if it makes you feel better. http://loyce.club/notifications/897509.html

Being called a pretender is fairly warm coming from you. Usually the words you use on the forum are much harsher.   ;D  Even my friends sometimes call me a cunt.

I reserve that kind of spite for people who genuinely earn it. That said, you are still playing favorites hoping that washing the right balls will bring you favors.

Bump

Man, you bumped this thread and the last post was from TECSHARE (RIP) and the one before his was from xtraelv, and I'm wondering where he went off to.  He was very active for a while, and then it seems like he just disappeared.

And if we're talking again about drama and flaming threads, I haven't seen many of those in a while (which makes me wonder why you bumped this thread).  Back when Lauda, Vod, TECSHARE, and cryptohunter were around, it seems like there was always at least one thread that active and full of venomous hate-spewing.  Some of it was amusing, some of it not, but what I have noticed is that there don't seem to be many factions or cliques anymore, like that whole "cult of Lauda" thing. 

I wonder how long the peace will last.

The old guard had a history of the power struggles as well as those of reputation. Back in those days, people actually cared about things like reputation at the forum, solely for reputation's sake.  The whole things took on a significant economic angle too with the drama about people doing un-solicited "background checks" on users who would get onto Chipmixer. With the change to USD payments, it seems to me that the stakes aren't that high anymore.

Most newbies now flock over to telegrams or TGs directly from the host of bounty aggregator websites. There isn't a constant influx of people dissatisfied with what they could have earned if not for a few red trusts here and there. The forum isn't the place for "power struggles" the way it used to be, both economically as well as in terms of reputation.

Who can forget the the incident with a CM campaigner who had 3 Alts enrolled for almost 3 years and nobody knew. At some point, everyone just realized the futility of trying to hold users here to some sort of moral standards. Or maybe the its just the prolonged Alt bull-run taking away everyone's time and attention. Once another winter sets in, if it does, we'll have some of the drama back as sources of earning BTC dry up.

If my memory serves me, I have already told you several times that xtraelv is all right and what he is doing now. By the way, I don’t remember that he would be in the center of such events, so I don’t remember him when I think about flaming threads ... to be honest, I don’t remember the last time there was any hot discussion on the forum, so this thread when I stumbled upon it it became for me a kind of nostalgic balm for the soul.

Believe me, you do not understand what you are talking about, since the old guard are not the same people who participate in Chipmixer (especially considering that this campaign is not that old). The same applies to the scandal you mentioned, the discussion of which seems loud to you only because you have a short memory.

You probably did.  It's possible that I missed your repy or replies, or I might have just plain old forgotten what you wrote.  However, I won't forget now that you've rapped my knuckles.  In any case, I liked having xtraelv around; he was a good member.

Speaking of faulty memory:

Oh yeah, I remember that!  I don't follow the Chipmixer campaign thread, but now that you mentioned that I do remember at least one instance of that background-checking behavior on the part of rejected/potential applicants. 

As far as I know, Chipmixer is still one of the highest paying campaigns on the forum even with the payment being pegged to USD.  So while it's nowhere as lucrative as it used to be, I'm a little surprised that there isn't any of that sort of drama anymore.

I'm not sure what you meant with that first sentence.  This isn't a thread about newbies and their participation in bounties, but I'm curious about what those bounty aggregator sites are all about. 

You're right, though, about red trust not being a deterrent anymore.  Reputation used to be full of threads asking for negative trust to be removed, but nowadays it seems like bounty managers will take any Jr. Member with a pulse, feedback be damned.  And I'm still not sure why reputation doesn't seem to matter to people all that much anymore, because it certainly used to.  I'm thinking partially it has to do with the emphasis that was placed on it by those members I mentioned who've now left the forum.  They were members who gave out a ton of negative trust and created threads exposing scammers and other undesirables, and we don't see as much of that these days.

In my opinion, this is too abstract a statement when it comes to bounty hunters, since I cannot remember a single hot public discussion involved in the appeal of the red tag. But I swami agree if we talk about the debate dedicated to the appeal of the red tags on the basis of a personal vendetta. By the way, do not curse the feedback system, since almost every manager has his own custom list of trust, so the tags you see may differ from the tags on the basis of which the manager accepts this or that person in the campaign.  :P

If it weren't for https://ninjastic.space/ then I probably wouldn't have been able to find this post, so you should thank TryNinja.  ;D

Ah, a hot discussion probably not.  I wasn't thinking of major drama threads when I wrote my last post, just general complaints about getting negged for cheating or merit abuse or whatever.  Those certainly never rose to the level of the flame wars that happened between Vod and OgNasty or TECSHARE and Vod or....you know what I mean.

And you're right about the personal vendetta neg threads being more heated (and more extended), because there have been a number of those that I can remember.  aTriz was one such case, and that was quite a while ago but I still remember all the drama that surrounded it (and I just looked, and that one is listed on the first page of this thread).  And actually that wasn't so much vendetta-driven as it was a case of someone being justly tagged--though there was a lot of controversy around the tags if I remember correctly.  I haven't re-read that thread, but I probably will.

OK, good to hear it (again).  Sometimes when members disappear suddenly, I wonder if something bad has happened to them (like TMAN).  And I'll once again acknowledge that you told me before that this wasn't the case with xtraelv. :)

Correct me if I'm wrong but I have the feeling that since the trust system is decentralized, having a red tag is not so important, is that so? Apart from the issue of custom trust lists, which icopress mentions. For example, it appears to me that yahoo62278 has one red tag, but he has 36 in green, and it is not the only case that appears to me of highly trusted member with 1 or 2 red tags. I guess it is not that important.

The rules of my signature campaign, for example, say:


Taking into account that Best_Change also has a red tag (some time ago I could see two), I suppose that he will not automatically expel a member from the campaign for a simple red tag without first analyzing the case.

It really depends on the reason for the red trust as to whether a company would disqualify you for a campaign. If you pissed someone off you're good most likely, but if you stole money or something in that area you're likely fucked unless 1xbit hires you.

LOL. If I had the time, we could probably have just another one of those flame wars that used to start with such patronizing statements about " Believe me, you do not understand what you are talking about" on an open forum. People just assume that such behavior somehow prods the other person to research more deeply and get awed and overwhelmed by the experiences that supposedly only a select few, including the purveyors of such statements have.

But well, I'll leave it here as meaningless pissing contests don't appeal to me and I have seen you around as an old member.
Every day, a bunch of new projects get launched on Alt-chains where, not to forget the NFTs, which people want to flip for a quick profit, long term community or product be damned. A lot of times, those who are the first to join discords and Telegrams and do a bunch of shitposting on Twitter and invite their whole fellow farmers to the group, will get a few free NFTs/ Tokens. If the project kicks off, people make easy money.

Not that I ever made any lol. I take too long to analyze the product and what crypto-twitter calls as "degen trading" or "aping in" is not for me.

The market is getting all serious now that Nike and Adidas have there own representatives in the Metaverse. I am sure a lot of the people who frequent in Alt-coins sections (or no longer do coz they are not at the forum anymore), have made a lot of assets in this run. I call it assets because NFTs are mostly low liquidity and not everyone can sell for a profit.

yahoo appears to you as having one red tag and 36 green based on your custom Trust list. Meaning the ones you trust and the ones they trust and the ones these ones trust. And you trust them all. Thus, if any of them, without being member of DT1 / DT 2 gives a tag (no matter its kind) to a user, you'll see that user with the respective tag -- but this is not the real Trust score. To see the real Trust score you have to look at the respective user by typing a ";dt" after the URL of his profile. Let's take yahoo for example: based on your custom Trust list you see him with one red and 36 green. Based on my Trust list, I see him with 29 greens and 2 neutrals. but if you access the URL of his profile - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=355846 - and the if you add a ";dt" at the end of the URL (like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=355846;dt) - only now you can see his real Trust score, meaning the Trust score as seen by DT members, which is 23 greens and 2 neutrals.

Besides, having a red tag actually is important (meaning to have a red tag from a DT member, which influences the real Trust score, not a random red tag given by a non-DT member, which is seen only because of your own custom Trust list), as many campaign managers look at the respective profile adding the ";dt", to see the real Trust score.

Now, of course, as yahoo wrote above, even DT members write red (or even green) feedbacks without a proper justification (without a real reason, without reference link etc.); also, the respective red tag can represent a real bad thing (such as theft for example) or not (but let's say that most of DT feedbacks are correct though). In this case it's up to the campaign manager to accept you or not.

I, for example, if I'd run a campaign and if - let's say - the old troll TimeLord would be in DT and he'd leave a red tag to an applicant, then I'd analyze very carefully what that troll said about the respective applicant, as I don't trust him (TimeLord) at all, knowing his habits to leave retaliatory feedbacks or ones without anything in common with reality. And, as he usually leaves imbecile and retaliatory feedbacks, I'd most likely ignore his and allow the respective user to participate.

Another example is the idiot WhiteManWhite, ex-DT member, which gave icopress a stupid red tag then he left the forum. Meanwhile he was excluded from DT, but at that point his feedback influenced icopress' Trust score, as it was given by a DT member.

What I'm saying it depends from case to case but generally speaking, I think the campaign managers look at applicants' profiles in "DT view", not based (just) on their custom Trust lists. And, if you want to see someone's real Trust score, make sure you add the respective ";dt" at the end of the profile's URL.

Still around and lurking from time to time. Using Bitcointalk for reference and research more rather than posting.

There are several reasons my post count has declined dramatically - the main one being a dramatic increase in workload and change in lifestyle.

I hope to make some more decent contributions in the future.

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Like icopress said: