Bitcointalk trolls, dysfunction and all out flame wars. Guide to the scandals.

[xtraelv]

You don't appear to be neutral picking and choosing which drama threads to add. The thread is distinctively lacking in threads critical of Vod even though he is probably long term the biggest source of drama from any single user on the forum. Of course you have no problem complying with his requests to add threads to bring attention to threads he wants attention on.

You can always start your own competing list of drama threads and list whatever you want.

Unless you're trying to stir some "TECSHARE vs xtraelv" drama here, in which case you've got ways to go.

Sure, but he is making claims that he is being neutral with what he adds, it seems rather that he is selectively adding them. If he wants to pick sides that's fine, just stop pretending to be neutral.

There is no intent to include every drama or even a complete analysis of every drama.

If I write more about certain people I will be accused of giving them more "airtime" - If I write less I will be accused of selectively adding people.

TECSHARE you are not really in a neutral position to judge what is neurtal.

Something that is "written from a neutral perspective" cannot ever be completely neutral . I'm also not an expert on anthropology.

The intent of this thread is to provide people who are not familiar with the forum dramas a small glimpse or insight of what the drama is about.

It is up to the reader to investigate further if the want to know more detail. I believe I have included most prominent disputes.

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[suchmoon]

Sure, but he is making claims that he is being neutral with what he adds, it seems rather that he is selectively adding them. If he wants to pick sides that's fine, just stop pretending to be neutral.

I think it's far more likely that your own opinion about Vod and/or his dramas is biased. At any rate, this is xtraelv's thread and it's his effort that makes it worth reading. I think it would be quite boring if he started doing some sort of affirmative action - one thread from this "side", one thread from another "side"...

[bonesjonesreturns]

Sure, but he is making claims that he is being neutral with what he adds, it seems rather that he is selectively adding them. If he wants to pick sides that's fine, just stop pretending to be neutral.

I think it's far more likely that your own opinion about Vod and/or his dramas is biased. At any rate, this is xtraelv's thread and it's his effort that makes it worth reading. I think it would be quite boring if he started doing some sort of affirmative action - one thread from this "side", one thread from another "side"...

How can it be worth reading if it paints a one sided and misleading picture of the forum?

One only has to start reading here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5170789.msg52938521#msg52938521

To immediately notice this is a nasty little scammer supporter that is now trying to whitewash these untrustworthy  members whilst painting a very negative view of their critics under the guise of a

Yes be very boring to have a balanced and correct view of how things really are says suchmoon.
Suchmoon says it goes beyond boring actually, and presenting things how they really are can be trolling and wothy of a ban

Actually this link
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5170789.msg52938521#msg52938521

Should be listed as a huge troll be xtraelv on the OP. I have never seen consecutive crazy excuses like this to defend proven scamming presented in such a hilarious way. It is the definitive guide on how not to defend your scamming pals.

Please put that link in the OP.

thanks.

I love the xtralv policeman scene is is a brilliant and accurate summary  of xtraelvs  excuses and demonstrates how one sided this idiot is.

[xtraelv]

It must be frustrating that you have to make multiple sockpuppet accounts in order to bypass peoples "ignore list" . Yet considered insignificant and not even get a mention on a troll list. Ultimate fail. Cannot even make it as a troll.
 

[bonesjonesreturns]

It must be frustrating that you have to make multiple sockpuppet accounts in order to bypass peoples "ignore list" . Yet considered insignificant and not even get a mention on a troll list. Ultimate fail. Cannot even make it as a troll.
 

Hello there,

Well as usual your stupidity becomes immediately apparent.
Your statement makes zero sense.
If you wish to believe that i am Toaa? Or ch? (there exists no conclusive  evidence of this anywhere ) then i must already have won the troll poll.
The king of the trolls ( trolls are whistle blowers apparently that provide irrefutable evidence of financially motivated wrongdoing by DT members in that poll)

Besides you miss the point
This thread

Starting there for several pages

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5170789.msg52938521#msg52938521

Demonstrates you are clearly the troll (providing false and ridiculous excuses after ridiculous excuses as true) and scammer supporter  retarded excuse provider.

Add yourself to your first post you deserve to be there.
You were likely trolling  since nobody would jump from moronic impossible excuse to the next in public like that.
I have never witnessed such a hilarious display of reckless desperate stupidity.

Hope that cleared this up for you.

[OgNasty]

Sure, but he is making claims that he is being neutral with what he adds, it seems rather that he is selectively adding them. If he wants to pick sides that's fine, just stop pretending to be neutral.

I think it's far more likely that your own opinion about Vod and/or his dramas is biased. At any rate, this is xtraelv's thread and it's his effort that makes it worth reading. I think it would be quite boring if he started doing some sort of affirmative action - one thread from this "side", one thread from another "side"...

suchmoon talking about bias is hilarious. She trusts Vod’s ratings ever after he gave me negative trust for putting on a fundraiser for a dying forum member... Talk about bias and horrible judgement.

[TECSHARE]

Sure, but he is making claims that he is being neutral with what he adds, it seems rather that he is selectively adding them. If he wants to pick sides that's fine, just stop pretending to be neutral.

I think it's far more likely that your own opinion about Vod and/or his dramas is biased. At any rate, this is xtraelv's thread and it's his effort that makes it worth reading. I think it would be quite boring if he started doing some sort of affirmative action - one thread from this "side", one thread from another "side"...

suchmoon talking about bias is hilarious. She trusts Vod’s ratings ever after he gave me negative trust for putting on a fundraiser for a dying forum member... Talk about bias and horrible judgement.

Yep, magically the comment about him being a pretender was reported and removed. Funny how it is always the critical posts that are reported.

[xtraelv]

Sure, but he is making claims that he is being neutral with what he adds, it seems rather that he is selectively adding them. If he wants to pick sides that's fine, just stop pretending to be neutral.

I think it's far more likely that your own opinion about Vod and/or his dramas is biased. At any rate, this is xtraelv's thread and it's his effort that makes it worth reading. I think it would be quite boring if he started doing some sort of affirmative action - one thread from this "side", one thread from another "side"...

suchmoon talking about bias is hilarious. She trusts Vod’s ratings ever after he gave me negative trust for putting on a fundraiser for a dying forum member... Talk about bias and horrible judgement.

Yep, magically the comment about him being a pretender was reported and removed. Funny how it is always the critical posts that are reported.

Someone must have reported it. I wouldn't. It is still visible here if it makes you feel better. http://loyce.club/notifications/897509.html

Being called a pretender is fairly warm coming from you. Usually the words you use on the forum are much harsher.     Even my friends sometimes call me a cunt.

[TECSHARE]

Someone must have reported it. I wouldn't. It is still visible here if it makes you feel better. http://loyce.club/notifications/897509.html

Being called a pretender is fairly warm coming from you. Usually the words you use on the forum are much harsher.     Even my friends sometimes call me a cunt.

I reserve that kind of spite for people who genuinely earn it. That said, you are still playing favorites hoping that washing the right balls will bring you favors.

[icopress]

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[The Sceptical Chymist]

Man, you bumped this thread and the last post was from TECSHARE (RIP) and the one before his was from xtraelv, and I'm wondering where he went off to.  He was very active for a while, and then it seems like he just disappeared.

And if we're talking again about drama and flaming threads, I haven't seen many of those in a while (which makes me wonder why you bumped this thread).  Back when Lauda, Vod, TECSHARE, and cryptohunter were around, it seems like there was always at least one thread that active and full of venomous hate-spewing.  Some of it was amusing, some of it not, but what I have noticed is that there don't seem to be many factions or cliques anymore, like that whole "cult of Lauda" thing. 

I wonder how long the peace will last.

[amishmanish]

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And if we're talking again about drama and flaming threads, I haven't seen many of those in a while (which makes me wonder why you bumped this thread).  Back when Lauda, Vod, TECSHARE, and cryptohunter were around, it seems like there was always at least one thread that active and full of venomous hate-spewing.  Some of it was amusing, some of it not, but what I have noticed is that there don't seem to be many factions or cliques anymore, like that whole "cult of Lauda" thing. 

I wonder how long the peace will last.

The old guard had a history of the power struggles as well as those of reputation. Back in those days, people actually cared about things like reputation at the forum, solely for reputation's sake.  The whole things took on a significant economic angle too with the drama about people doing un-solicited "background checks" on users who would get onto Chipmixer. With the change to USD payments, it seems to me that the stakes aren't that high anymore.

Most newbies now flock over to telegrams or TGs directly from the host of bounty aggregator websites. There isn't a constant influx of people dissatisfied with what they could have earned if not for a few red trusts here and there. The forum isn't the place for "power struggles" the way it used to be, both economically as well as in terms of reputation.

Who can forget the the incident with a CM campaigner who had 3 Alts enrolled for almost 3 years and nobody knew. At some point, everyone just realized the futility of trying to hold users here to some sort of moral standards. Or maybe the its just the prolonged Alt bull-run taking away everyone's time and attention. Once another winter sets in, if it does, we'll have some of the drama back as sources of earning BTC dry up.

[icopress]

Man, you bumped this thread [...]

If my memory serves me, I have already told you several times that xtraelv is all right and what he is doing now. By the way, I don’t remember that he would be in the center of such events, so I don’t remember him when I think about flaming threads ... to be honest, I don’t remember the last time there was any hot discussion on the forum, so this thread when I stumbled upon it it became for me a kind of nostalgic balm for the soul.

The old guard had a history of the power struggles as well as those of reputation. [...]

Believe me, you do not understand what you are talking about, since the old guard are not the same people who participate in Chipmixer (especially considering that this campaign is not that old). The same applies to the scandal you mentioned, the discussion of which seems loud to you only because you have a short memory.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

If my memory serves me, I have already told you several times that xtraelv is all right and what he is doing now.

You probably did.  It's possible that I missed your repy or replies, or I might have just plain old forgotten what you wrote.  However, I won't forget now that you've rapped my knuckles.  In any case, I liked having xtraelv around; he was a good member.

Speaking of faulty memory:

The whole things took on a significant economic angle too with the drama about people doing un-solicited "background checks" on users who would get onto Chipmixer. With the change to USD payments, it seems to me that the stakes aren't that high anymore.

Oh yeah, I remember that!  I don't follow the Chipmixer campaign thread, but now that you mentioned that I do remember at least one instance of that background-checking behavior on the part of rejected/potential applicants. 

As far as I know, Chipmixer is still one of the highest paying campaigns on the forum even with the payment being pegged to USD.  So while it's nowhere as lucrative as it used to be, I'm a little surprised that there isn't any of that sort of drama anymore.

Most newbies now flock over to telegrams or TGs directly from the host of bounty aggregator websites. There isn't a constant influx of people dissatisfied with what they could have earned if not for a few red trusts here and there. The forum isn't the place for "power struggles" the way it used to be, both economically as well as in terms of reputation.

I'm not sure what you meant with that first sentence.  This isn't a thread about newbies and their participation in bounties, but I'm curious about what those bounty aggregator sites are all about. 

You're right, though, about red trust not being a deterrent anymore.  Reputation used to be full of threads asking for negative trust to be removed, but nowadays it seems like bounty managers will take any Jr. Member with a pulse, feedback be damned.  And I'm still not sure why reputation doesn't seem to matter to people all that much anymore, because it certainly used to.  I'm thinking partially it has to do with the emphasis that was placed on it by those members I mentioned who've now left the forum.  They were members who gave out a ton of negative trust and created threads exposing scammers and other undesirables, and we don't see as much of that these days.

[icopress]

You're right, though, about red trust not being a deterrent anymore.  Reputation used to be full of threads asking for negative trust to be removed, but nowadays it seems like bounty managers will take any Jr. Member with a pulse, feedback be damned.  And I'm still not sure why reputation doesn't seem to matter to people all that much anymore, because it certainly used to.  I'm thinking partially it has to do with the emphasis that was placed on it by those members I mentioned who've now left the forum.  They were members who gave out a ton of negative trust and created threads exposing scammers and other undesirables, and we don't see as much of that these days.

In my opinion, this is too abstract a statement when it comes to bounty hunters, since I cannot remember a single hot public discussion involved in the appeal of the red tag. But I swami agree if we talk about the debate dedicated to the appeal of the red tags on the basis of a personal vendetta. By the way, do not curse the feedback system, since almost every manager has his own custom list of trust, so the tags you see may differ from the tags on the basis of which the manager accepts this or that person in the campaign. 

You probably did.  It's possible that I missed your repy or replies, or I might have just plain old forgotten what you wrote.  However, I won't forget now that you've rapped my knuckles.  In any case, I liked having xtraelv around; he was a good member.

If it weren't for https://ninjastic.space/ then I probably wouldn't have been able to find this post, so you should thank TryNinja. 

There are others as well who aren't on this list because they weren't top merit earners, and I'm thinking of xtraelv right off the top of my head, though there are others.

I think not much has changed in the last few months since I was interested in xtraelv's affairs, given that he continues to visit the forum, ^{[he was online 5 days ago]} but does not post anything. There was a time when I also had a break in publishing, I continued to read and surf the forum for more than a year, but did not publish anything (while I continued to feel involved in forum life).

As for xtraelv, I think he will not scold me if I say that everything is fine with him ... he leads a more active lifestyle than many of us, and in his free time he works to refute the lies that CSW has been telling for years, (at least that was the case a couple of weeks ago).

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I cannot remember a single hot public discussion involved in the appeal of the red tag. But I swami agree if we talk about the debate dedicated to the appeal of the red tags on the basis of a personal vendetta.

Ah, a hot discussion probably not.  I wasn't thinking of major drama threads when I wrote my last post, just general complaints about getting negged for cheating or merit abuse or whatever.  Those certainly never rose to the level of the flame wars that happened between Vod and OgNasty or TECSHARE and Vod or....you know what I mean.

And you're right about the personal vendetta neg threads being more heated (and more extended), because there have been a number of those that I can remember.  aTriz was one such case, and that was quite a while ago but I still remember all the drama that surrounded it (and I just looked, and that one is listed on the first page of this thread).  And actually that wasn't so much vendetta-driven as it was a case of someone being justly tagged--though there was a lot of controversy around the tags if I remember correctly.  I haven't re-read that thread, but I probably will.

As for xtraelv, I think he will not scold me if I say that everything is fine with him ... he leads a more active lifestyle than many of us, and in his free time he works to refute the lies that CSW has been telling for years, (at least that was the case a couple of weeks ago).

OK, good to hear it (again).  Sometimes when members disappear suddenly, I wonder if something bad has happened to them (like TMAN).  And I'll once again acknowledge that you told me before that this wasn't the case with xtraelv.

[Poker Player]

You're right, though, about red trust not being a deterrent anymore.  Reputation used to be full of threads asking for negative trust to be removed, but nowadays it seems like bounty managers will take any Jr. Member with a pulse, feedback be damned.  And I'm still not sure why reputation doesn't seem to matter to people all that much anymore, because it certainly used to.  I'm thinking partially it has to do with the emphasis that was placed on it by those members I mentioned who've now left the forum.  They were members who gave out a ton of negative trust and created threads exposing scammers and other undesirables, and we don't see as much of that these days.

In my opinion, this is too abstract a statement when it comes to bounty hunters, since I cannot remember a single hot public discussion involved in the appeal of the red tag. But I swami agree if we talk about the debate dedicated to the appeal of the red tags on the basis of a personal vendetta. By the way, do not curse the feedback system, since almost every manager has his own custom list of trust, so the tags you see may differ from the tags on the basis of which the manager accepts this or that person in the campaign. 

Correct me if I'm wrong but I have the feeling that since the trust system is decentralized, having a red tag is not so important, is that so? Apart from the issue of custom trust lists, which icopress mentions. For example, it appears to me that yahoo62278 has one red tag, but he has 36 in green, and it is not the only case that appears to me of highly trusted member with 1 or 2 red tags. I guess it is not that important.

The rules of my signature campaign, for example, say:

- If you receive legitimate negative feedback during your stay in the campaign you will be removed without notice or payment.

Taking into account that Best_Change also has a red tag (some time ago I could see two), I suppose that he will not automatically expel a member from the campaign for a simple red tag without first analyzing the case.

[yahoo62278]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I have the feeling that since the trust system is decentralized, having a red tag is not so important, is that so? Apart from the issue of custom trust lists, which icopress mentions. For example, it appears to me that yahoo62278 has one red tag, but he has 36 in green, and it is not the only case that appears to me of highly trusted member with 1 or 2 red tags. I guess it is not that important.

It really depends on the reason for the red trust as to whether a company would disqualify you for a campaign. If you pissed someone off you're good most likely, but if you stole money or something in that area you're likely fucked unless 1xbit hires you.

[amishmanish]

The old guard had a history of the power struggles as well as those of reputation. [...]

Believe me, you do not understand what you are talking about, since the old guard are not the same people who participate in Chipmixer (especially considering that this campaign is not that old). The same applies to the scandal you mentioned, the discussion of which seems loud to you only because you have a short memory.

LOL. If I had the time, we could probably have just another one of those flame wars that used to start with such patronizing statements about " Believe me, you do not understand what you are talking about" on an open forum. People just assume that such behavior somehow prods the other person to research more deeply and get awed and overwhelmed by the experiences that supposedly only a select few, including the purveyors of such statements have.

But well, I'll leave it here as meaningless pissing contests don't appeal to me and I have seen you around as an old member.

Most newbies now flock over to telegrams or TGs directly from the host of bounty aggregator websites. There isn't a constant influx of people dissatisfied with what they could have earned if not for a few red trusts here and there. The forum isn't the place for "power struggles" the way it used to be, both economically as well as in terms of reputation.

I'm not sure what you meant with that first sentence.  This isn't a thread about newbies and their participation in bounties, but I'm curious about what those bounty aggregator sites are all about.

Every day, a bunch of new projects get launched on Alt-chains where, not to forget the NFTs, which people want to flip for a quick profit, long term community or product be damned. A lot of times, those who are the first to join discords and Telegrams and do a bunch of shitposting on Twitter and invite their whole fellow farmers to the group, will get a few free NFTs/ Tokens. If the project kicks off, people make easy money.

Not that I ever made any lol. I take too long to analyze the product and what crypto-twitter calls as "degen trading" or "aping in" is not for me.

The market is getting all serious now that Nike and Adidas have there own representatives in the Metaverse. I am sure a lot of the people who frequent in Alt-coins sections (or no longer do coz they are not at the forum anymore), have made a lot of assets in this run. I call it assets because NFTs are mostly low liquidity and not everyone can sell for a profit.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I have the feeling that since the trust system is decentralized, having a red tag is not so important, is that so? Apart from the issue of custom trust lists, which icopress mentions. For example, it appears to me that yahoo62278 has one red tag, but he has 36 in green, and it is not the only case that appears to me of highly trusted member with 1 or 2 red tags. I guess it is not that important.

yahoo appears to you as having one red tag and 36 green based on your custom Trust list. Meaning the ones you trust and the ones they trust and the ones these ones trust. And you trust them all. Thus, if any of them, without being member of DT1 / DT 2 gives a tag (no matter its kind) to a user, you'll see that user with the respective tag -- but this is not the real Trust score. To see the real Trust score you have to look at the respective user by typing a ";dt" after the URL of his profile. Let's take yahoo for example: based on your custom Trust list you see him with one red and 36 green. Based on my Trust list, I see him with 29 greens and 2 neutrals. but if you access the URL of his profile - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=355846 - and the if you add a ";dt" at the end of the URL (like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=355846;dt) - only now you can see his real Trust score, meaning the Trust score as seen by DT members, which is 23 greens and 2 neutrals.

Besides, having a red tag actually is important (meaning to have a red tag from a DT member, which influences the real Trust score, not a random red tag given by a non-DT member, which is seen only because of your own custom Trust list), as many campaign managers look at the respective profile adding the ";dt", to see the real Trust score.

Now, of course, as yahoo wrote above, even DT members write red (or even green) feedbacks without a proper justification (without a real reason, without reference link etc.); also, the respective red tag can represent a real bad thing (such as theft for example) or not (but let's say that most of DT feedbacks are correct though). In this case it's up to the campaign manager to accept you or not.

I, for example, if I'd run a campaign and if - let's say - the old troll TimeLord would be in DT and he'd leave a red tag to an applicant, then I'd analyze very carefully what that troll said about the respective applicant, as I don't trust him (TimeLord) at all, knowing his habits to leave retaliatory feedbacks or ones without anything in common with reality. And, as he usually leaves imbecile and retaliatory feedbacks, I'd most likely ignore his and allow the respective user to participate.

Another example is the idiot WhiteManWhite, ex-DT member, which gave icopress a stupid red tag then he left the forum. Meanwhile he was excluded from DT, but at that point his feedback influenced icopress' Trust score, as it was given by a DT member.

What I'm saying it depends from case to case but generally speaking, I think the campaign managers look at applicants' profiles in "DT view", not based (just) on their custom Trust lists. And, if you want to see someone's real Trust score, make sure you add the respective ";dt" at the end of the profile's URL.