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Title: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 19, 2014, 12:31:51 PM
Dear all,

OMG!!!!
Thank for this info!!!


ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!

    This is man : euromaidan   - deceiver!!!    Hi posted false info here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=366048.new#new

    Please don't list him money!

    He copied my post from here:
    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=474696.0

    And change the BTC code  to his!!!!  "



Best support - the moral!

If you, may know, in Ukraine is very difficult and terrible situation now… :'(

Our President (dictator) gave the order to disperse the protesters with force (weaponry). :-[
 
About 30 people from this night are dead, and near 400 in the hospital.  (When people was wounded, the police did not miss to them an ambulance).
Our people need help!

It's only information:

( Who are not indifferent to this situation, please donate to this BTC  BITCOIN: 1NW14BXEHQJMzg5EQhUfzYJ1E4XmiLB7eM

You can check Link of original group (people who collect donations) : http://vk.com/public62043361  Contacts: http://vk.com/topic-62043361_29342502 )

Thank you!



Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people!
Post by: Lanochka on February 19, 2014, 12:35:54 PM
Dear all,
If you, may know, in Ukraine is very difficult and terrible situation now… :'( :'( :'(

Our President (dictator) gave the order to disperse the protesters with force (weaponry). :-[
 
About 30 people from this night are dead, and near 400 in the hospital.  (When people was wounded, the police did not miss to them an ambulance).
Our people need help!

Who are not indifferent to this situation, please donate to this BTC  BITCOIN: 1NW14BXEHQJMzg5EQhUfzYJ1E4XmiLB7eM

You can check Link of original group (people who collect donations) : http://vk.com/public62043361  Contacts: http://vk.com/topic-62043361_29342502

Thank you!

Link of LIVE NEWS : http://espreso.tv/new/2014/02/18/espresotv_vede_pryamu_translyaciyu_z_pid_verkhovnoyi_rady


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people!
Post by: Lanochka on February 19, 2014, 01:00:43 PM
In Khmelnytsky Police shooting at people with firearms. Killed woman, there are wounded also.
Video: http://youtu.be/DipJOV01Pr4
http://cs7003.vk.me/c7005/v7005980/1217b/qcG8yixgtHQ.jpg


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people!
Post by: Lanochka on February 19, 2014, 03:15:59 PM

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=614917041897022&set=a.477490338973027.1073741826.100001361964078&type=1&theater
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31/1888944_614917041897022_1190282669_o.jpg


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people!
Post by: Wilikon on February 19, 2014, 04:17:01 PM
I smell something. Not sure what it is... ;D
Post #122 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=366048.msg5235116#msg5235116
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"Dear all,
If you, may know, in Ukraine is very difficult and terrible situation now…

Our President (dictator) gave the order to disperse the protesters with force (weaponry).
 
About 30 people from this night are dead, and near 400 in the hospital.  (When people was wounded, the police did not miss to them an ambulance).
Our people need help!

Sorry, but we except willpower and your moral support and financial require. Thank you for understanding. The money goes only to food and medicine.

Who are not indifferent to this situation, please donate to this BTC  BITCOIN: 1PK8rz7e2mF12zijr1tJ6DaxXXLWeyskWg


Reports spent https://plus.google.com/112673814823345852199/posts/p/pub?hl=ru

Link of LIVE NEWS :  http://espreso.tv/new/2014/02/18/espresotv_vede_pryamu_translyaciyu_z_pid_verkhovnoyi_rady"

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Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people!
Post by: Lanochka on February 19, 2014, 05:12:53 PM
OMG!!!!
Thank for this info!!!


ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!


This is man : euromaidan   - deceiver!!!    Hi posted false info here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=366048.new#new


Please don't list him money!

He copied my post from here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=474696.0

And change the BTC code  to his!!!!

True BTC code only on VK People Community!!!!

Community: http://vk.com/public62043361   

Article for donations (were posted BTC code) PLEASE  READ AND CHECK : http://vk.com/topic-62043361_29342502

USE ONLY CODE WICH POSTED IN COMMUNITY IN VK!!! Only that code!!!!!NOT ANOTHER!


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 19, 2014, 05:40:13 PM
Trying to do good thing, and always will be some parasites ...   :-[


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Hazir on February 19, 2014, 06:11:57 PM
I don't know who to believe anymore, not sending any money anywhere without solid proof.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: EvilPanda on February 19, 2014, 06:14:41 PM
Haha look at this policeman above, is that a reminder on his palm? "Buy milk!"  ;D


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 19, 2014, 06:41:44 PM
I don't know who to believe anymore, not sending any money anywhere without solid proof.

Yes, so I wrote proof link of group VK, who gathered people, clouses, money etc., today I've sent them some of BTC, small cash, but at least something...

Now in Kiev all adequate people help each other...collect things, food, medicines, donate their blood, help whatever we can ...

I've decided to post that information here only with light motives, but I see that it was a mistake as bastards (as euromaidan ) are willing to profit by it.

Shame on people who earn their trouble! I'm very angry for these people! God would not forgive them!...





Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 19, 2014, 06:44:59 PM
Haha look at this policeman above, is that a reminder on his palm? "Buy milk!"  ;D

He threatens that will shoot


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 19, 2014, 07:10:55 PM
Just see it, please: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvds2AIiWLA#t=36


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: surfer43 on February 19, 2014, 08:25:10 PM
espreso.tv is down  :(

Live coverage on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LFrMcoEm4)


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: surfer43 on February 19, 2014, 08:30:25 PM
More live coverage

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1yblyi/ukraine_revolt_sticky_post/


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 19, 2014, 09:43:03 PM
espreso.tv is down  :(

Live coverage on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LFrMcoEm4)

sometimes it happens...now translated....


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 19, 2014, 09:44:15 PM
More live coverage

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1yblyi/ukraine_revolt_sticky_post/

Thank you, surfer43 for info help!!!  :)


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: escobol on February 19, 2014, 11:01:35 PM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=06d_1390686645


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Hazir on February 19, 2014, 11:20:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y)

This is insane...


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Anon136 on February 19, 2014, 11:28:10 PM
if only these people were fighting for something instead of against something. this always leads to worse tyranny. this will be no exception.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: surfer43 on February 20, 2014, 12:19:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y)

This is insane...
The police act like its a video game.  :'(

if only these people were fighting for something instead of against something. this always leads to worse tyranny. this will be no exception.

They are.
English Wikipedia article for Euromaidan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan)
The Euromaidan (Ukrainian: Євромайдан, Yevromaidan, literally "Eurosquare")[nb 5] is a wave of ongoing demonstrations and civil unrest in Ukraine, which began on the night of 21 November 2013 with public protests demanding closer European integration. The scope of the protests has since evolved, with many calls for the resignation of President Viktor Yanukovych and his government.[67] Many protesters joined because of the violent dispersal of protesters on 30 November and "a will to change life in Ukraine".[5] By 25 January 2014, the protests had been fueled by the perception of widespread government corruption, abuse of power, and violation of human rights in Ukraine.[68]

English Wikipedia article for February ongoing riots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_2014_Euromaidan_riots)
On 18 February 2014, 20,000 Euromaidan protesters in Kiev advanced on Ukraine's parliament in support of rolling back the Constitution of Ukraine to its pre-2004 form.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Anon136 on February 20, 2014, 12:31:31 AM
in support of rolling back the Constitution of Ukraine to its pre-2004 form.

wow this is moronic. Wasn't the constitution the way it was in the year 2004 exactly the sort of constitution that lead to the constitution as it exists in 2014. ive never seen a more fitting example of Albert Einsteins definition of insanity.

Quote
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: dank on February 20, 2014, 01:13:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y)

This is insane...
The police act like its a video game.  :'(

if only these people were fighting for something instead of against something. this always leads to worse tyranny. this will be no exception.

They are.
English Wikipedia article for Euromaidan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan)
The Euromaidan (Ukrainian: Євромайдан, Yevromaidan, literally "Eurosquare")[nb 5] is a wave of ongoing demonstrations and civil unrest in Ukraine, which began on the night of 21 November 2013 with public protests demanding closer European integration. The scope of the protests has since evolved, with many calls for the resignation of President Viktor Yanukovych and his government.[67] Many protesters joined because of the violent dispersal of protesters on 30 November and "a will to change life in Ukraine".[5] By 25 January 2014, the protests had been fueled by the perception of widespread government corruption, abuse of power, and violation of human rights in Ukraine.[68]

English Wikipedia article for February ongoing riots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_2014_Euromaidan_riots)
On 18 February 2014, 20,000 Euromaidan protesters in Kiev advanced on Ukraine's parliament in support of rolling back the Constitution of Ukraine to its pre-2004 form.

But are they really fighting for something?  Why do they want anything to do with the EU?  Why do they want anything to do with other nations rather than their own?

This protest ought to be for true freedom, anarchy.  Otherwise, history will repeat over and over until the day they fight for true equality and peace through anarchy.

This message should be known throughout the protesters.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Hazir on February 20, 2014, 04:56:06 AM
Latest news from Kiev:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y)


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Anon136 on February 20, 2014, 04:58:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y)

This is insane...
The police act like its a video game.  :'(

if only these people were fighting for something instead of against something. this always leads to worse tyranny. this will be no exception.

They are.
English Wikipedia article for Euromaidan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan)
The Euromaidan (Ukrainian: Євромайдан, Yevromaidan, literally "Eurosquare")[nb 5] is a wave of ongoing demonstrations and civil unrest in Ukraine, which began on the night of 21 November 2013 with public protests demanding closer European integration. The scope of the protests has since evolved, with many calls for the resignation of President Viktor Yanukovych and his government.[67] Many protesters joined because of the violent dispersal of protesters on 30 November and "a will to change life in Ukraine".[5] By 25 January 2014, the protests had been fueled by the perception of widespread government corruption, abuse of power, and violation of human rights in Ukraine.[68]

English Wikipedia article for February ongoing riots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_2014_Euromaidan_riots)
On 18 February 2014, 20,000 Euromaidan protesters in Kiev advanced on Ukraine's parliament in support of rolling back the Constitution of Ukraine to its pre-2004 form.

But are they really fighting for something?  Why do they want anything to do with the EU?  Why do they want anything to do with other nations rather than their own?

This protest ought to be for true freedom, anarchy.  Otherwise, history will repeat over and over until the day they fight for true equality and peace through anarchy.

This message should be known throughout the protesters.

i don't often agree with you dank but on this one i do.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 20, 2014, 09:54:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y)

This is insane...
The police act like its a video game.  :'(

if only these people were fighting for something instead of against something. this always leads to worse tyranny. this will be no exception.

They are.
English Wikipedia article for Euromaidan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan)
The Euromaidan (Ukrainian: Євромайдан, Yevromaidan, literally "Eurosquare")[nb 5] is a wave of ongoing demonstrations and civil unrest in Ukraine, which began on the night of 21 November 2013 with public protests demanding closer European integration. The scope of the protests has since evolved, with many calls for the resignation of President Viktor Yanukovych and his government.[67] Many protesters joined because of the violent dispersal of protesters on 30 November and "a will to change life in Ukraine".[5] By 25 January 2014, the protests had been fueled by the perception of widespread government corruption, abuse of power, and violation of human rights in Ukraine.[68]

English Wikipedia article for February ongoing riots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_2014_Euromaidan_riots)
On 18 February 2014, 20,000 Euromaidan protesters in Kiev advanced on Ukraine's parliament in support of rolling back the Constitution of Ukraine to its pre-2004 form.

But are they really fighting for something?  Why do they want anything to do with the EU?  Why do they want anything to do with other nations rather than their own?

This protest ought to be for true freedom, anarchy.  Otherwise, history will repeat over and over until the day they fight for true equality and peace through anarchy.

This message should be known throughout the protesters.


Our president, police and all - are killers! Bandits!
They changed constitution, they stole they the budget of Ukraine!

Maidan called lawlessness.
Then one more thing :
Pension 1000 UAH ($ 125) - this mess !
Doctor's salary 2000 (250 $) UAH - is chaos !
Teacher salary 1500 (190 $) UAH - is chaos !
New palaces politicians - this mess !
That can be found on the bandit police uniform - it's chaos !
Beating of peaceful demonstrations - this mess !
Torture in the forest and killing unarmed people - this mess !
Abduction wounded from clinics and bullying them - it's such a mess that seems boundless could not get !
On the streets of ordinary passers- grab and throw in jail - this mess !
Beating the elderly, women and students - is chaos !
Our courts - it's chaos !
Our traffic police - this mess !


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 20, 2014, 10:05:21 AM
Now Bandits (TITUSHKI) and BERKUT are going to shoot people.
Already working snipers, first corpses (16, but numbers are growing) see it: http://www.trust.ua/news/91455-novye-zhertvy-14-ubityh.html


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 20, 2014, 11:41:23 AM
PLEASE SEE IT! They Killing our people!!!!!! :

http://www.radiosvoboda.org/content/article/25270765.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DxkDiAcSF8&feature=youtu.be


 :'( :'( :'(


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Anon136 on February 20, 2014, 02:05:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y)

This is insane...
The police act like its a video game.  :'(

if only these people were fighting for something instead of against something. this always leads to worse tyranny. this will be no exception.

They are.
English Wikipedia article for Euromaidan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan)
The Euromaidan (Ukrainian: Євромайдан, Yevromaidan, literally "Eurosquare")[nb 5] is a wave of ongoing demonstrations and civil unrest in Ukraine, which began on the night of 21 November 2013 with public protests demanding closer European integration. The scope of the protests has since evolved, with many calls for the resignation of President Viktor Yanukovych and his government.[67] Many protesters joined because of the violent dispersal of protesters on 30 November and "a will to change life in Ukraine".[5] By 25 January 2014, the protests had been fueled by the perception of widespread government corruption, abuse of power, and violation of human rights in Ukraine.[68]

English Wikipedia article for February ongoing riots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_2014_Euromaidan_riots)
On 18 February 2014, 20,000 Euromaidan protesters in Kiev advanced on Ukraine's parliament in support of rolling back the Constitution of Ukraine to its pre-2004 form.

But are they really fighting for something?  Why do they want anything to do with the EU?  Why do they want anything to do with other nations rather than their own?

This protest ought to be for true freedom, anarchy.  Otherwise, history will repeat over and over until the day they fight for true equality and peace through anarchy.

This message should be known throughout the protesters.


Our president, police and all - are killers! Bandits!
They changed constitution, they stole they the budget of Ukraine!

Maidan called lawlessness.
Then one more thing :
Pension 1000 UAH ($ 125) - this mess !
Doctor's salary 2000 (250 $) UAH - is chaos !
Teacher salary 1500 (190 $) UAH - is chaos !
New palaces politicians - this mess !
That can be found on the bandit police uniform - it's chaos !
Beating of peaceful demonstrations - this mess !
Torture in the forest and killing unarmed people - this mess !
Abduction wounded from clinics and bullying them - it's such a mess that seems boundless could not get !
On the streets of ordinary passers- grab and throw in jail - this mess !
Beating the elderly, women and students - is chaos !
Our courts - it's chaos !
Our traffic police - this mess !


sure but you guys are just fighting for new rulers. a nicer tyrant isn't the solution to those problems. freedom is the only solution and you will never have freedom so long as you have a government. you guys should be using this opportunity to try to abolish government not to replace your old tyrant with a new tyrant.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 20, 2014, 03:34:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y)

This is insane...
The police act like its a video game.  :'(

if only these people were fighting for something instead of against something. this always leads to worse tyranny. this will be no exception.

They are.
English Wikipedia article for Euromaidan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan)
The Euromaidan (Ukrainian: Євромайдан, Yevromaidan, literally "Eurosquare")[nb 5] is a wave of ongoing demonstrations and civil unrest in Ukraine, which began on the night of 21 November 2013 with public protests demanding closer European integration. The scope of the protests has since evolved, with many calls for the resignation of President Viktor Yanukovych and his government.[67] Many protesters joined because of the violent dispersal of protesters on 30 November and "a will to change life in Ukraine".[5] By 25 January 2014, the protests had been fueled by the perception of widespread government corruption, abuse of power, and violation of human rights in Ukraine.[68]

English Wikipedia article for February ongoing riots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_2014_Euromaidan_riots)
On 18 February 2014, 20,000 Euromaidan protesters in Kiev advanced on Ukraine's parliament in support of rolling back the Constitution of Ukraine to its pre-2004 form.

But are they really fighting for something?  Why do they want anything to do with the EU?  Why do they want anything to do with other nations rather than their own?

This protest ought to be for true freedom, anarchy.  Otherwise, history will repeat over and over until the day they fight for true equality and peace through anarchy.

This message should be known throughout the protesters.


Our president, police and all - are killers! Bandits!
They changed constitution, they stole they the budget of Ukraine!

Maidan called lawlessness.
Then one more thing :
Pension 1000 UAH ($ 125) - this mess !
Doctor's salary 2000 (250 $) UAH - is chaos !
Teacher salary 1500 (190 $) UAH - is chaos !
New palaces politicians - this mess !
That can be found on the bandit police uniform - it's chaos !
Beating of peaceful demonstrations - this mess !
Torture in the forest and killing unarmed people - this mess !
Abduction wounded from clinics and bullying them - it's such a mess that seems boundless could not get !
On the streets of ordinary passers- grab and throw in jail - this mess !
Beating the elderly, women and students - is chaos !
Our courts - it's chaos !
Our traffic police - this mess !


sure but you guys are just fighting for new rulers. a nicer tyrant isn't the solution to those problems. freedom is the only solution and you will never have freedom so long as you have a government. you guys should be using this opportunity to try to abolish government not to replace your old tyrant with a new tyrant.


WTF???? We are fighting for Freedom and LIFE!!!

If you do not believe, come here to Kiev and see it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are  far from the situation that occurs. And you do not have a clue what you are talking about!


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Anon136 on February 20, 2014, 03:35:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y)

This is insane...
The police act like its a video game.  :'(

if only these people were fighting for something instead of against something. this always leads to worse tyranny. this will be no exception.

They are.
English Wikipedia article for Euromaidan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan)
The Euromaidan (Ukrainian: Євромайдан, Yevromaidan, literally "Eurosquare")[nb 5] is a wave of ongoing demonstrations and civil unrest in Ukraine, which began on the night of 21 November 2013 with public protests demanding closer European integration. The scope of the protests has since evolved, with many calls for the resignation of President Viktor Yanukovych and his government.[67] Many protesters joined because of the violent dispersal of protesters on 30 November and "a will to change life in Ukraine".[5] By 25 January 2014, the protests had been fueled by the perception of widespread government corruption, abuse of power, and violation of human rights in Ukraine.[68]

English Wikipedia article for February ongoing riots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_2014_Euromaidan_riots)
On 18 February 2014, 20,000 Euromaidan protesters in Kiev advanced on Ukraine's parliament in support of rolling back the Constitution of Ukraine to its pre-2004 form.

But are they really fighting for something?  Why do they want anything to do with the EU?  Why do they want anything to do with other nations rather than their own?

This protest ought to be for true freedom, anarchy.  Otherwise, history will repeat over and over until the day they fight for true equality and peace through anarchy.

This message should be known throughout the protesters.


Our president, police and all - are killers! Bandits!
They changed constitution, they stole they the budget of Ukraine!

Maidan called lawlessness.
Then one more thing :
Pension 1000 UAH ($ 125) - this mess !
Doctor's salary 2000 (250 $) UAH - is chaos !
Teacher salary 1500 (190 $) UAH - is chaos !
New palaces politicians - this mess !
That can be found on the bandit police uniform - it's chaos !
Beating of peaceful demonstrations - this mess !
Torture in the forest and killing unarmed people - this mess !
Abduction wounded from clinics and bullying them - it's such a mess that seems boundless could not get !
On the streets of ordinary passers- grab and throw in jail - this mess !
Beating the elderly, women and students - is chaos !
Our courts - it's chaos !
Our traffic police - this mess !


sure but you guys are just fighting for new rulers. a nicer tyrant isn't the solution to those problems. freedom is the only solution and you will never have freedom so long as you have a government. you guys should be using this opportunity to try to abolish government not to replace your old tyrant with a new tyrant.


WTF???? We are fighting for Freedom and LIFE!!!

If you do not believe, come here to Kiev and see it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are  far from the situation that occurs. And you do not have a clue what you are talking about!

so you guys arn't trying to replace the existing government with a new government?


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 20, 2014, 03:48:05 PM
In this situation, we are trying to protect ourselves as a nation! And if there is a government, then, the national, and will choose from among the people. Now in power band that seeped, bowled, bought a places.
They do not consider us as people!


"
Mikhail Dobkin called kill protesters on Maidan
http://glavcom.ua/news/186420.html
http://www.novayavolna.com/images/b397030105741.jpg

"
Is it OK? They are killing all people (women, the elderly, children).


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Anon136 on February 20, 2014, 04:42:57 PM
right than. like i said you want to replace the old rulers with new rulers. that isn't freedom. the new ones will probably be worse than the old ones.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 20, 2014, 05:03:09 PM
Come to Kiev and see what people are fighting! In another you do not understand.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Anon136 on February 20, 2014, 05:21:57 PM
Come to Kiev and see what people are fighting! In another you do not understand.

i understand that you are fighting against repressive sociopath assholes. my argument was not that you aren't. my argument was that there is no point in seeking to replace them with new rulers. power corrupts and so what ever new person you give power to will also become corrupted. if you want freedom than replacing existing rulers with new rulers will never have that effect. if you want freedom than you have to reject rulership in general, not rulership from one particular group of rulers.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Hazir on February 20, 2014, 05:37:00 PM
Latest news from Kiev:

http://www.radiosvoboda.org/content/article/25270765.html (http://www.radiosvoboda.org/content/article/25270765.html)

Military just started shooting at people.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lethn on February 20, 2014, 05:39:52 PM
You will find that here in particular there are people who far more about the power play currently going on in the world between the major nations/organisations than most people, while I can totally understand usurping an imbecile in charge of the country I can't understand wanting to join an organisation that's just as bad as the one you're trying to leave, you'd be much better off if you formed your own independent democracy. The European Union isn't any kind of safe economic haven it's perceived as and the states within it are just as divided and bickering as they always have been the only difference is that they have pretty much merged together for the sake of protection so they don't end up getting invaded by the U.S or Russia.

I really hope you guys don't end up like Greece or Italy where you endlessly keep cycling through new leaders and governments until someone takes advantage of the situation and screws you all even worse than before.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 20, 2014, 05:49:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYvM_aIc4Y)

This is insane...
The police act like its a video game.  :'(

if only these people were fighting for something instead of against something. this always leads to worse tyranny. this will be no exception.

They are.
English Wikipedia article for Euromaidan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan)
The Euromaidan (Ukrainian: Євромайдан, Yevromaidan, literally "Eurosquare")[nb 5] is a wave of ongoing demonstrations and civil unrest in Ukraine, which began on the night of 21 November 2013 with public protests demanding closer European integration. The scope of the protests has since evolved, with many calls for the resignation of President Viktor Yanukovych and his government.[67] Many protesters joined because of the violent dispersal of protesters on 30 November and "a will to change life in Ukraine".[5] By 25 January 2014, the protests had been fueled by the perception of widespread government corruption, abuse of power, and violation of human rights in Ukraine.[68]

English Wikipedia article for February ongoing riots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_2014_Euromaidan_riots)
On 18 February 2014, 20,000 Euromaidan protesters in Kiev advanced on Ukraine's parliament in support of rolling back the Constitution of Ukraine to its pre-2004 form.

But are they really fighting for something?  Why do they want anything to do with the EU?  Why do they want anything to do with other nations rather than their own?

This protest ought to be for true freedom, anarchy.  Otherwise, history will repeat over and over until the day they fight for true equality and peace through anarchy.

This message should be known throughout the protesters.


Our president, police and all - are killers! Bandits!
They changed constitution, they stole they the budget of Ukraine!

Maidan called lawlessness.
Then one more thing :
Pension 1000 UAH ($ 125) - this mess !
Doctor's salary 2000 (250 $) UAH - is chaos !
Teacher salary 1500 (190 $) UAH - is chaos !
New palaces politicians - this mess !
That can be found on the bandit police uniform - it's chaos !
Beating of peaceful demonstrations - this mess !
Torture in the forest and killing unarmed people - this mess !
Abduction wounded from clinics and bullying them - it's such a mess that seems boundless could not get !
On the streets of ordinary passers- grab and throw in jail - this mess !
Beating the elderly, women and students - is chaos !
Our courts - it's chaos !
Our traffic police - this mess !


sure but you guys are just fighting for new rulers. a nicer tyrant isn't the solution to those problems. freedom is the only solution and you will never have freedom so long as you have a government. you guys should be using this opportunity to try to abolish government not to replace your old tyrant with a new tyrant.


WTF???? We are fighting for Freedom and LIFE!!!

If you do not believe, come here to Kiev and see it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are  far from the situation that occurs. And you do not have a clue what you are talking about!

so you guys arn't trying to replace the existing government with a new government?

No we'are not!!!! We don't wan't a "new" governmet! We just want that any authority stoped beating the people everywhere, killing unarned, etc. Our government used to behave as a dictators and we sick of it!


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 20, 2014, 07:12:50 PM
See it: http://zotov-news.com/news/vinnicya-govorit-meni-bolit-moya-krayina


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: surfer43 on February 20, 2014, 07:44:00 PM
Come to Kiev and see what people are fighting! In another you do not understand.

i understand that you are fighting against repressive sociopath assholes. my argument was not that you aren't. my argument was that there is no point in seeking to replace them with new rulers. power corrupts and so what ever new person you give power to will also become corrupted. if you want freedom than replacing existing rulers with new rulers will never have that effect. if you want freedom than you have to reject rulership in general, not rulership from one particular group of rulers.

The system in Ukraine is basically Feudalism.

Have you wondered how they survive on those extremely low wages that wouldn't even pay for food? The free market! Or, a giant cash economy where everyone avoids paying tax so that their oppressors don't get too much. Everyone pays everyone else with bribes.

Since the Ukrainian government appears to have a military aiming guns at its own people, that means 2 things:
1) it's extremely undemocratic.
2) their government is acting like a private corporation with a private army.

Libertarian paradise!
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic. It is extremely democratic (oligarchical). Unless you're talking about real democracy...


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: ZephramC on February 20, 2014, 08:52:25 PM
Hypothetically... What would happen if the government of Ukraine is proEU (using the same way of suppressing demonstrations) and protesters are pro-Russia (using the same way of protest)? Would you judge them the same or not?


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Kiki112 on February 20, 2014, 08:55:48 PM
Hypothetically... What would happen if the government of Ukraine is proEU (using the same way of suppressing demonstrations) and protesters are pro-Russia (using the same way of protest)? Would you judge them the same or not?

we would judge them the same

goverments are supposed to inforce the will of their people no matter how different from their own opinion it can be!


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Anon136 on February 20, 2014, 09:19:46 PM
Come to Kiev and see what people are fighting! In another you do not understand.

i understand that you are fighting against repressive sociopath assholes. my argument was not that you aren't. my argument was that there is no point in seeking to replace them with new rulers. power corrupts and so what ever new person you give power to will also become corrupted. if you want freedom than replacing existing rulers with new rulers will never have that effect. if you want freedom than you have to reject rulership in general, not rulership from one particular group of rulers.

The system in Ukraine is basically Feudalism.

Have you wondered how they survive on those extremely low wages that wouldn't even pay for food? The free market! Or, a giant cash economy where everyone avoids paying tax so that their oppressors don't get too much. Everyone pays everyone else with bribes.

Since the Ukrainian government appears to have a military aiming guns at its own people, that means 2 things:
1) it's extremely undemocratic.
2) their government is acting like a private corporation with a private army.

Libertarian paradise!

libertarians propose a system of competing firms providing these services. as near as i can tell the citizens of Ukraine are not free to opt out of paying for the "protection" services provided by their government in favor of purchasing the services of a competing protection agency instead.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: coa032 on February 20, 2014, 09:48:01 PM
Believe me,same situation happened 2000 here in Serbia and from that day we live worse then we lived before 2000. Well I was I kid then but that's what everyone here in Serbia talking about. All politicians in Serbia are paid from America and EU to destroy Serbia, they've given our part of territory Kosovo,they sold everything they can and also wages are much worse than 14 years ago. Believe me, this is all manipulation by America and EU they've paid 90% there to shoot on police and destroy the whole country, and believe me that you will regret if your opposition win "the battle". Orthodox brothers, you have our support, kill all that terrorists and turn to Russia. Without European union!!


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: blablahblah on February 20, 2014, 09:57:01 PM
Come to Kiev and see what people are fighting! In another you do not understand.

i understand that you are fighting against repressive sociopath assholes. my argument was not that you aren't. my argument was that there is no point in seeking to replace them with new rulers. power corrupts and so what ever new person you give power to will also become corrupted. if you want freedom than replacing existing rulers with new rulers will never have that effect. if you want freedom than you have to reject rulership in general, not rulership from one particular group of rulers.

The system in Ukraine is basically Feudalism.

Have you wondered how they survive on those extremely low wages that wouldn't even pay for food? The free market! Or, a giant cash economy where everyone avoids paying tax so that their oppressors don't get too much. Everyone pays everyone else with bribes.

Since the Ukrainian government appears to have a military aiming guns at its own people, that means 2 things:
1) it's extremely undemocratic.
2) their government is acting like a private corporation with a private army.

Libertarian paradise!

libertarians propose a system of competing firms providing these services. as near as i can tell the citizens of Ukraine are not free to opt out of paying for the "protection" services provided by their government in favor of purchasing the services of a competing protection agency instead.

So tax-avoidance and arming the opposition doesn't count as competition against "Janukovich Enterprises"?


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: blablahblah on February 20, 2014, 09:58:19 PM
Believe me,same situation happened 2000 here in Serbia and from that day we live worse then we lived before 2000. Well I was I kid then but that's what everyone here in Serbia talking about. All politicians in Serbia are paid from America and EU to destroy Serbia, they've given our part of territory Kosovo,they sold everything they can and also wages are much worse than 14 years ago. Believe me, this is all manipulation by America and EU they've paid 90% there to shoot on police and destroy the whole country, and believe me that you will regret if your opposition win "the battle". Orthodox brothers, you have our support, kill all that terrorists and turn to Russia. Without European union!!

I bet you guys don't even know that Putin was a KGB murderer.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Snorek on February 20, 2014, 10:06:01 PM
Putin, and most of high political class in Russia comes from former secret agencies, no suprise there. There is no democracy in Russia, there is no freedom and Russia will never let go of Ukraine ;-)


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: coa032 on February 20, 2014, 10:07:30 PM
Believe me,same situation happened 2000 here in Serbia and from that day we live worse then we lived before 2000. Well I was I kid then but that's what everyone here in Serbia talking about. All politicians in Serbia are paid from America and EU to destroy Serbia, they've given our part of territory Kosovo,they sold everything they can and also wages are much worse than 14 years ago. Believe me, this is all manipulation by America and EU they've paid 90% there to shoot on police and destroy the whole country, and believe me that you will regret if your opposition win "the battle". Orthodox brothers, you have our support, kill all that terrorists and turn to Russia. Without European union!!

I bet you guys don't even know that Putin was a KGB murderer.
We are very good informed about politics and Putin...Russians are our brothers. ;)


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 20, 2014, 10:21:04 PM
Believe me,same situation happened 2000 here in Serbia and from that day we live worse then we lived before 2000. Well I was I kid then but that's what everyone here in Serbia talking about. All politicians in Serbia are paid from America and EU to destroy Serbia, they've given our part of territory Kosovo,they sold everything they can and also wages are much worse than 14 years ago. Believe me, this is all manipulation by America and EU they've paid 90% there to shoot on police and destroy the whole country, and believe me that you will regret if your opposition win "the battle". Orthodox brothers, you have our support, kill all that terrorists and turn to Russia. Without European union!!

We don't wan't the win of opposition or any other side, and we don't fight for them, or for the EU association. All we want is simple justice in our country, and current authority unfortunatelly can't give it.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: coa032 on February 20, 2014, 10:32:27 PM
Believe me,same situation happened 2000 here in Serbia and from that day we live worse then we lived before 2000. Well I was I kid then but that's what everyone here in Serbia talking about. All politicians in Serbia are paid from America and EU to destroy Serbia, they've given our part of territory Kosovo,they sold everything they can and also wages are much worse than 14 years ago. Believe me, this is all manipulation by America and EU they've paid 90% there to shoot on police and destroy the whole country, and believe me that you will regret if your opposition win "the battle". Orthodox brothers, you have our support, kill all that terrorists and turn to Russia. Without European union!!

We don't wan't the win of opposition or any other side, and we don't fight for them, or for the EU association. All we want is simple justice in our country, and current authority unfortunatelly can't give it.
I know that you are desperate and you believe that your current standard in ukraine is horrible, but believe me it will only get worse if you turn to EU. As I said they use the same recipe every time. From 2000 we turned to EU(we belived that we will live better) and till now corruption in Serbia grow constantly,wages drops, from 7 millions people 20,1% don't have a job. We lose our territory Kosovo, killers kill people and get 1 year in prison ( for exaple if you kill thief in your house you go to jail ) but those who have money dont go to jail anyway. Those who have money earn more money,those who haven't they desperately do everything for money etc.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 20, 2014, 11:25:46 PM
Believe me,same situation happened 2000 here in Serbia and from that day we live worse then we lived before 2000. Well I was I kid then but that's what everyone here in Serbia talking about. All politicians in Serbia are paid from America and EU to destroy Serbia, they've given our part of territory Kosovo,they sold everything they can and also wages are much worse than 14 years ago. Believe me, this is all manipulation by America and EU they've paid 90% there to shoot on police and destroy the whole country, and believe me that you will regret if your opposition win "the battle". Orthodox brothers, you have our support, kill all that terrorists and turn to Russia. Without European union!!

We don't wan't the win of opposition or any other side, and we don't fight for them, or for the EU association. All we want is simple justice in our country, and current authority unfortunatelly can't give it.
I know that you are desperate and you believe that your current standard in ukraine is horrible, but believe me it will only get worse if you turn to EU. As I said they use the same recipe every time. From 2000 we turned to EU(we belived that we will live better) and till now corruption in Serbia grow constantly,wages drops, from 7 millions people 20,1% don't have a job. We lose our territory Kosovo, killers kill people and get 1 year in prison ( for exaple if you kill thief in your house you go to jail ) but those who have money dont go to jail anyway. Those who have money earn more money,those who haven't they desperately do everything for money etc.


BANDITS on the streets killing ordinary people Now . Then there are you offer us just be cannon fodder?

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little boy

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http://static.gazeta.ua/img/cache/gallery/543/543022_5_w_590.jpg

http://tvi.ua/image/cache/data/news/2014/02/pohybshye-437x277.jpg

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7IyK76JuIHxHKlEPBKvItYx8sZWCC5DmZk1ZJThDyfcU4uxmj

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It's terrible!!!
We DO NOT have a civil war, we  have genocide.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: coa032 on February 20, 2014, 11:43:43 PM
Yup, I've saw in the news that fu**ing lie about that girl who was shot in the neck and she tweeted that she is dying. You must be a retard to believe in that story. Also what do you expect to shoot on police,throw molotov cocktails on them etc and to dont get killed? I would send an army on that terrorists if I were president. And don't tell me what is genocide if anybody knows that,that is our country.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 21, 2014, 12:06:44 AM
Yup, I've saw in the news that fu**ing lie about that girl who was shot in the neck and she tweeted that she is dying. You must be a retard to believe in that story. Also what do you expect to shoot on police,throw molotov cocktails on them etc and to dont get killed? I would send an army on that terrorists if I were president. And don't tell me what is genocide if anybody knows that,that is our country.

Shame on you! This is true official information. This is girl in the hospital now, in very serious condition. Media broadcasts you complete lie.  You are not here and do not know anything, so do not spread false information. You are not Ukrainian, you are not in Kiev now. If you want to interfere in this matter, Come here, see yourself!


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: coa032 on February 21, 2014, 12:26:11 AM
Sure, I wont post here anymore. Just remember my word, you will live 10x worse if opposition win. Believe me they don't care about people's lives,they just don't care. I m sorry for that girl if that is true,but this is all setup. All wars are classic setup,just see what happened with Libya recently. I have friend from there and he said that people live 10x worse because they were forced to accept American democracy. Bullshit, if this happens in US they would send army to kill all people and no one would be responsible, that is their democracy. Where is your Klitschko? He is sitting in Germany and "negotiating" while peoples dying. Don't be stupid,all of this is planned. They just care about money and power


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 21, 2014, 12:31:35 AM
I repeat, people are fighting for the freedom, not for the opposition!


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Anon136 on February 21, 2014, 12:36:08 AM
Come to Kiev and see what people are fighting! In another you do not understand.

i understand that you are fighting against repressive sociopath assholes. my argument was not that you aren't. my argument was that there is no point in seeking to replace them with new rulers. power corrupts and so what ever new person you give power to will also become corrupted. if you want freedom than replacing existing rulers with new rulers will never have that effect. if you want freedom than you have to reject rulership in general, not rulership from one particular group of rulers.

The system in Ukraine is basically Feudalism.

Have you wondered how they survive on those extremely low wages that wouldn't even pay for food? The free market! Or, a giant cash economy where everyone avoids paying tax so that their oppressors don't get too much. Everyone pays everyone else with bribes.

Since the Ukrainian government appears to have a military aiming guns at its own people, that means 2 things:
1) it's extremely undemocratic.
2) their government is acting like a private corporation with a private army.

Libertarian paradise!

libertarians propose a system of competing firms providing these services. as near as i can tell the citizens of Ukraine are not free to opt out of paying for the "protection" services provided by their government in favor of purchasing the services of a competing protection agency instead.

So tax-avoidance and arming the opposition doesn't count as competition against "Janukovich Enterprises"?

That"s a very interesting question. I'll have to think about it. There is certainly a parallel there, that i will grant. Either way the people do not have the right mentality for this presently violent "competition" to settle into a non violent competitive market. With the sort of mentality that people have now the present state of violent competition will inevitably either fail to settle into a system of non market competition or collapse into monopoly.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Anon136 on February 21, 2014, 12:37:34 AM
I repeat, people are fighting for the freedom, not for the opposition!

yea you are master of catechism. we get it. all you have to do is label something and then that makes it the thing you label it.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: coa032 on February 21, 2014, 12:47:17 AM
I repeat, people are fighting for the freedom, not for the opposition!
Yeah,we were also thinking that we are fighting for the freedom,but believe me you're not fighting for freedom. I said already we were in the 100% same situation as you are,same. Just type in google 5 october 2000. But this time is much worse because you are rich country and in better geo strategic position than us. They are destroying you inside and I know that you don't believe but wait for few year and you will see if you become proEU oriented. You think that you are fighting for freedom as we were ,bu you are fighting for opposition(you just dont know that yet). Sorry for my english this is not my native language,but I hope that you will understand me.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: dank on February 21, 2014, 01:09:44 AM
Come to Kiev and see what people are fighting! In another you do not understand.

Anon has it right.  The thing is, this has happened over and over throughout history.  The reason it keeps happening over and over again is because whenever there is a revolution, a new set of rulers comes in only to become drunk with power, and the process repeats.

If you guys stand up to fight for no government at all, then there will be nobody in that position to become a tyrant in the first place.  The problem is well beyond your current government, it is all governments that oppress their people.

The only way to be truly free is anarchy.  Otherwise, you will still have a governing entity who continues to exert force through violence.


Title: Re: Help Ukrainian people! ATTANTION WE HAVE THE deceiver!!!
Post by: Lanochka on February 21, 2014, 01:17:47 AM
Come to Kiev and see what people are fighting! In another you do not understand.

Anon has it right.  The thing is, this has happened over and over throughout history.  The reason it keeps happening over and over again is because whenever there is a revolution, a new set of rulers comes in only to become drunk with power, and the process repeats.

If you guys stand up to fight for no government at all, then there will be nobody in that position to become a tyrant in the first place.  The problem is well beyond your current government, it is all governments that oppress their people.

The only way to be truly free is anarchy.  Otherwise, you will still have a governing entity who continues to exert force through violence.


Read above.

I'm sick of , to say that we are defending our lives.